We have previously discussed the unhinged and unsupported claims of “My Pillow” CEO Mike Lindell. However, an interview on Newsmax shows just how out of control this debate has become as a host tried to stop Lindell from making unsupported claims. Eventually Anchor Bob Sellers walked off the set in what was a live meltdown on national television.
Anchor Bob Sellers quickly interrupted Lindell as he was getting into his claims that the voting machines in the election were rigged.
Within a few days of the election, most of us stated that there was not evidence of systemic fraud and became increasingly critical of the Trump team for failing to put forward evidence of such fraud with the use of these machines. As we covered the unfolding challenges, it was clear that irregularities cited in the use of the Dominion computers were attributed to human error and not the computers themselves. We have not seen compelling evidence to change that view.
I have been highly critical of Lindell and his statements since the election. Indeed, I would still like to see a commission to finally and conclusively put to rest all of these claims in the minds of many who still harbor doubts. There are clearly many like Lindell who hold such views and believe the evidence exists. Fine. I would be happy to review it just as we were happy to review such evidence in the post-election coverage. Why not let them present any such evidence in an open and transparent commission? Many will not accept any contrary conclusions on both sides but I believe the majority would do so. Otherwise, this conversation on Newsmax will be repeated endlessly for years. Moreover, a commission just might help us better prepare for the next election if we will be relying so heavily on mail-in voting in the future.
Newsmax was apparently seeking an interview on the free speech concerns raised by barring individuals or groups. As many on this blog know, I do not support censorship of such views or the banning of people like Lindell or his counterparts on the left. Sellers just showed how such statements can be addressed with counter statements. False statements can be rebutted by true statements. That is the beauty of free speech. As with the outrageous speech of some on the left, I believe that it is better to protect free speech for individuals like Lindell rather than slide down the slippery slope of censorship. We can all contest such statements through the use of free speech.
Lindell should have used the interview to defend his free speech, not make the case for tampered or rigged computers. That was the reason for the segment. The interview quickly went from bad to worst:
Forgetting whatever content existed and whether or not one agrees or disagrees with Lindell the moderator failed at his job.
The “My Pillow” guy has News competition with Texas law enforcement issuing an AMBER Alert for “Chucky Doll”.
An Open Letter from Congressional Staff to Senate
https://stafflettertosenate.medium.com/an-open-letter-from-congressional-staff-to-senate-d8ec5d25af4d
signed by hundreds of staffers, names at the link
“We are staff who work for members of the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives, where it is our honor and privilege to serve our country and our fellow Americans. We write this letter to share our own views and experiences, not the views of our employers. But on January 6, 2021, our workplace was attacked by a violent mob trying to stop the electoral college vote count. That mob was incited by former president Donald J. Trump and his political allies, some of whom we pass every day in the hallways at work.
“Many of us attended school in the post-Columbine era and were trained to respond to active shooter situations in our classrooms. As the mob smashed through Capitol Police barricades, broke doors and windows, and charged into the Capitol with body armor and weapons, many of us hid behind chairs and under desks or barricaded ourselves in offices. Others watched on TV and frantically tried to reach bosses and colleagues as they fled for their lives.
“On January 6, the former President broke America’s 230-year legacy of the peaceful transition of power when he incited a mob to disrupt the counting of electoral college votes. Six people died. A Capitol Police officer—one of our co-workers who guards and greets us every day—was beaten to death. The attack on our workplace was inspired by lies told by the former president and others about the results of the election in a baseless, months-long effort to reject votes lawfully cast by the American people.
“Our Constitution only works when we believe in it and defend it. It’s a shared commitment to equal justice, the rule of law, and the peaceful resolution of our differences. Any person who doesn’t share these beliefs has no place representing the American people, now or in the future. The use of violence and lies to overturn an election is not worthy of debate. Either you stand with the republic or against it.
As Congressional employees, we don’t have a vote on whether to convict Donald J. Trump for his role in inciting the violent attack at the Capitol, but our Senators do. And for our sake, and the sake of the country, we ask that they vote to convict the former president and bar him from ever holding office again.”
Stupid kids don’t know what “incited” means. Typical privileged Ivy League set thinking anybody cares what they think or how they feel. Pathetic.
How about “privileged” accident attorneys?
personal injury lawyers as a group are some of the most hard working, smart, and caring lawyers i have known and I have known thousands of lawyers
there is no comparison between the average P I lawyer and some spoiled brat from Hahvahd
moreover prolly 2/3 to 3/4 are your precious Dem party so I find it odd that you would jab at him on the basis of that
but your comments make less sense than ever now that Donald is gone and you scurry about looking for a new dead horse to whip
you must be bored
Sal Sar
Thanks, Sal. Gainesville doesn’t understand much and asking him to figure out lawyers when all he knows is his kid who’s in the public trough is a stretch for that archaic mind.
Yep, why should anyone care what the people who experienced a traumatic event actually experienced?
No one should care what people who’ve experienced sexual assault think or how they feel.
No one should care what people who experienced war-related PTSD think or how they feel.
No one should care what people who experienced the Capitol insurrection think or how they feel.
Like you, we should all just ignore people’s experiences.
(sarc)
You’re the pathetic one here, mespo727272
Yeah they’re truly victimized like the staffers in the Senate office building when the Dims rushed it. You were strangely silent about their plight then. Seems your empathy ebbs and flows with the politics.
These days, greedy corporations, political parties, educational institutions, and organizations hungry for dominance care plenty about how they ‘feel’. They are an easily exploitable meal ticket. People such as yourself need to stop thinking this isn’t really happening or that it won’t matter in the end. Our better sense means absolutely squat in the face of such wealth, influence, and negligence without proactive action. It is happening and if we don’t do the right thing there will be no forum left with which to any longer voice such opinions.
““We are staff who work for members of the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives, where it is our honor and privilege to serve our country and our fellow Americans.”
You idiots/staff/others have had plenty of time to have figured out what really happened, it was only a few Anti-Trumpers & some fools, 150-200 out of 1 Million to 1.5 Million Peaceful Americans that showed up to “Peacefully & Patriotically” demand from Congress they do their Job, with the states, & grant a 10 day Audit of the 11/3/2020 election & that only the Legally & Lawfully Ballots be counts. Those Anti- Trumpers were successfully in stopping for that day a legal & lawful remedy of this on going Constitutional Republic’s Collapse.
You Idiots, the staff that sign that letter are interfering, that you should have remained silent about & let your bosses argue the relevant points, for political vantage that you should be Fired tonight for!
Most Americans 200 million my best guess, & the 100 Million Plus citizen Trump Voters know you & others are actively engaging in Disenfranchising us & are Illegally placing in power illegitimate leaders , congressmen/senators & the Illegitimate Biden that could hardly get 200 people to show up for his inauguration under forced protection of 25000 to 60000 Armed reluctant National Guards Men.
And if you don’t believe Trump Won & had over 100 million Legal Votes why don’t you stop with your lies as “We have previously discussed of unhinged and unsupported claims” & present the evidence in pubic of the Legal Votes to Prove your claims?
We don’t need your friggin pillows!
We don’t need no thought control!
All in all it’s just another…
Dip in the road!
Turley, you personify the spineless academic elitist in cowardly but unsuccessfully attempting to thread needle wherein you state:
“As we covered the unfolding challenges, it was clear that irregularities in cited in the use of the Dominion computers were attributed to human error and not the computers themselves. We have not seen compelling evidence to change that view.
“I have been highly critical of Lindell and his statements since the election. Indeed, I would still like to see a commission to finally and conclusively put to rest all of these claims in the minds of many who still harbor doubts.”
First, we have seen mountains of compelling evidence to change the willfully ignorant view that concerted and SUCCESSFUL efforts in the intentional misuse and abuse of Dominion computers, operating systems, software and programming themselves as evidenced by the audits on the Michigan systems and the expert affidavits that accompany and support said audits. That equally cowardly and spineless federal judges denied a full and fair opportunity for that evidence to be properly presented under neutral and detached administration of the federal rules of evidence under full, fair, neutral and detached judicial proceeding as required by the due process clause does not amount to a safe harbor for your cowardly and spineless assertion that that “[w]e have not seen compelling evidence to change that view.” In short, you are not going to see compelling evidence to change or support any view if you do not want that view changed and especially if you are too frightened to se that evidence or worse too frightened to change that view. Obviously, were you to do so in an intellectually honest way, you’d be out of a job with your equally cowardly and spineless ivory tower colleagues. Absolutely pathetic. Pure cowardice.
Second, your “high criticism of Lindell and his statements since the election is a thinly veiled nod to your leftist colleagues who harbor the and subscribe to the last acceptable prejudice in America – anti-Christianity. Lindell, like most of the faithful, purposely and courageously make themselves vulnerable to such criticism and attacks because we are not afraid of mob rule, we possess integrity and are willing to take a stand in the names of Truth and Justice even to the point of death. The likes of you and your ivory tower mob of cowards and intellectual liars lack the courage to take a stand against the same even where the consequences amount to little more than trivial matters as unpopularity or losing a passing and fleeting thing as a job, despite your already more than modest accumulation of wealth for pushing a pencil all of your life. Again, absolutely pathetic and pure cowardice.
Third, Your statement that you “would still like to see a commission to finally and conclusively put to rest all of these claims in the minds of many who still harbor doubts” demonstrates your intellectual dishonesty perfectly – it presumes the conclusion for which you just averred lack sufficient evidence to support, notwithstanding the aforesaid mountains of evidence in the public domain to support just the opposite conclusion. The fact of the matter is you do not want to see jack shit – you don’t want to see the evidence in a court of law or via a legislative investigation – conveniently where no remedy would be available to right the wrong which any truly fair minded and friend of Truth and Justice knows the greatest political crime in the history of Our great country has been successfully perpetrated and the likes of cowardly people as yourself in positions of large soapboxes and political and judicial power would rather sweep under the rug.
Good luck on Ultimate Judgment Day
As a Trumpster, you are the one who is willfully ignorant. It has been PROVEN that the Dominion software did not manipulate vote totals. Being a Trumpster whose beliefs are driven by faith and not facts, nothing will convince you otherwise. And, 60+ judges DID look at the evidence–they found it was either insufficient, questionable or nothing but speculation, but in any event insufficient to overcome Biden’s 11 million advantage. Trump was predicted to lose, most Americans never approved of him, he trashed the economy, made the pandemic worse, flopped in starting a trade war with China, and America rejected him. Grow up and get over it.
Not to worry, Karma is coming for Biden and Kammy.
Right right we just take Dominion’s word for it
Newsmax is a private media company and thus has a right to not air anything they don’t want to. This is a non-issue.
They are marketing something of a higher standard than the ‘cancel culture’ that they just did.
A cupcake bakery can make their cupcakes taste any way they want but if they make them taste like crap they won’t have many customers.
Newsmax just made their cupcakes taste like crap.
Newsmax cupcakes always tasted like crap, and their viewers liked it that way.
LOL.
+100
“Within a few days of the election, most of us stated that there was not evidence of systemic fraud and became increasingly critical of the Trump team for failing to put forward evidence of such fraud with the use of these machines. As we covered the unfolding challenges, it was clear that irregularities in cited in the use of the Dominion computers were attributed to human error and not the computers themselves. We have not seen compelling evidence to change that view.”
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The point is that Lindell has the right to voice his opinion without interruption just like all the Pee Dossier creeps did and whose allegations we likewise knew were made up of whole cloth as did the shills spewing them. The difference is that Mike may actually believe the machines were rigged. And, of course, without voices like Lindell’s, they’ll never be an investigation as the Dim-wits know full well. Maybe they were rigged or maybe some were in key Dim strongholds. Hard to believe an aging, impaired guy who didn’t campaign won an election in historic fashion but you’re allowed to buy bridges if you want to.
Quit being so Pollyannaish about a political party dedicated to lies, deceit, trickey, prevarication and that observes no boundaries to win . They’re not good people by anyone’s standards except their own.
The First Amendment doesn’t give anyone a right to have their views broadcast on TV simply because they have an opinion about something.
For a lawyer, you have a weak understanding of legal rights.
Aninny:
Well you have a weak understanding of just about everything as you demonstrate on a daily basis. Cue Buffoon Bug, Old Coot Gainesville and Anonymous the Stupid.
Irrelevance comes in dumb packages like Anonymous the Stupid. I can’t believe they don’t grasp what actually occurred. A question was asked and Lindell was answering. I don’t care about the particular rhetoric on either side. The moderator injected his own beliefs instead of giving Lindell a chance to answer the question asked. Lindell was removed from Twitter and people deserve to know why since his answer had to do with the question asked.
If this was typical for the moderator he should be fired no matter what side of the aisle he is on.
Who is calling for the Buff Bug? Thank you. Thank you very much.
Elvis
He got invited on to talk about why he is being censored. He answered it and got censored. Is this the world YOU want to live in where you can’t say YOUR opinion when asked??? Don’t ask him on if you don’t want his opinion, which everybody knows already.
Lindell was trying to explain why his account had been shut down and why he thought that unreasonable, and the interviewer kept talking over him and making ex cathedra pronouncements. Newsmax needs to hire people who know how to interview.
Art – Yes. It was a stupid move by Newsmax. Now they have brought more attention to it and damaged their credibility. Even Newsmax is part of the cancel machinery.
There seems to be an enormous amount of pressure to keep anyone from mentioning voter fraud.
Damnatio Memoriae.
The elites have the high ground. 🙁
Let them all stand on the same hill. Then we know where they are and the people will overwhelm them at last. We will live to see it.
Young, do you have any thoughts about how citizens can tee up the issue of voter fraud in a way that won’t have draconian consequences for those who still are concerned.
My experience with “news” people is they report on what they don’t know or understand but with a confidence and sense of divine mission outdoing Don Quixote. Self-reflection and quest for truth is hardly their strong suit.
Quite lovely! Thank you, Mespo. So appropriate! I miss those days……when life was in technicolor and High Fidelity.
I believe Richard Kiley was the first to sing this on Broadway.
Bonus Question: Who was the first person to ever sing “Try to Remember” in public?
If you guessed Jerry Orbach (Det. Lennie Briscoe on Law and Order.) you were correct!
You can pickup your prize at the front office anytime before 5pm today!
Orbach? That’s great stuff.
Newsmax is trying to keep from getting sued by Dominion for letting people from Crazyville like Lindell keep selling the fraud nonsense even Trump’s team never believed, and that includes Jared – all Deep Staters, no doubt!. That people like Deco and Young still do is not surprising.
You bought the Russia collusion fraud nonsense. Not surprising.
Newsmax is trying to keep from getting sued by Dominion
If that’s the case, they have lousy lawyers.
“Within a couple of days of the election, most of us stated that there was not evidence of systemic fraud.” Within a couple days of the election, they were still counting votes. In fact, in at least one race, they are STILL counting votes. There were over 52 thousand sworn affidavits of election fraud. None of them were investigated. Jovan Pulitizer presented compelling evidence of fraud which the FBI hastened to make disappear when they claimed jurisdiction and destroyed ballots (which is illegal). He also proved in real time in the GA run offs that the machines WERE connected to the internet, and to wifi, he was able to show the actual ID of someone in China who was connected to the machines while voting was happening. But yeah, it’s hard to see evidence with your hands over your eyes.
Why don’t you pick a single affidavit that you believe provides evidence of fraud, and let’s look at it here and see if you’re right.
Well one of them was from Powell’s claimed intelligence officer who turned out to be a guy who worked in the Army Intelligence unit ….. as a mechanic. Another was a right wing web site host who claimed all kinds of credentials she didn’t have.
Turley: “a host tried to stop Lindell from making unsupported claims”
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How do you know they are unsupported if you haven’t heard them?
In fact there is a lot of evidence that voter fraud occurred on a large scale. If it didn’t, why not discuss the arguments and allow transparency instead of muzzling everyone who dares to mention it and concealing possible evidence from investigators?
At this point the coverup is one of the more prominent indications of voter fraud.
The Gore/Bush arguments and investigations went on forever. The Stacy Abrams argument went on forever. But now everyone is expected to remain silent. Shut up! Screams Big Tech, the media, the Democrats, and Squish Republicans.
I don’t think we will shut up!
Present some actual evidence. Let’s see if it’s valid or is just testimony about things that are legal or something else.
You say “why not discuss the arguments,” but you’re not presenting any actual evidence.
Of course, you won’t see evidence if you claim it is invalid before you look. Clearly, the Establishment doesn’t want Election Fraud to be an issue because said issue could destroy the whole basis for the existence of the nation. A responsible Supreme Court would have known that and taken the case, examined the arguments and evidence on both sides and made an informed argument instead of closely their eyes tightly in fear.
woops! closing their eyes tightly in fear.
Good response. Yes, it took the threat of legal action to get there, so good on Dominion for not rolling over. For that matter, much as it’s wildly unappealing to let lawyers have more control, the answer to fossil fuel companies not having to pay their clean up costs, or the gun lobbies’ immunity from class action suits directed at them by the victims of their handiwork, this seems to be the only pathway that will have the necessary teeth to cut through the B.S.
And Jon, episodes such as these give you a pathway back from the cliff of your mouthpiecing for Trump. Take the opportunity. Rather than just voicing support for investigating the multi rejected trump claims of voter fraud, go in for all of it. Investigate gerrymandering districts. Voter suppression. The curtailing of voting rights in general. Be as strong a supporter of everyone’s right to vote as you are of free speech. Hell, even go in on dark money even though you benefit it from it in the writing of your blog here. Put it all on the table. Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid.
Elvis Bug
Voter suppression is a myth and gerrymandering was started by the Dims and for the Dims after Baker v. Carr.
Who is doing the gerrymandering now?
And Trump’s post election strategy is the very definition of voter suppression. And that comes on the heels of ongoing repub strategy to bounce people off the rolls wherever they can. Efforts have only stepped up since November.
Elvis Bug
Both Republicans and Democrats engage in gerrymandering. It’s not good on either side.
While there is history on both sides, it’s inaccurate to maintain the efforts have been equal of late. 2010-11 was a banner year for republican gerrymandering, setting in place a near permanent repub structural advantage to gain power without having to by gaining actual votes.
Elvis Bug
I didn’t say that they do it equally. To assess that, you’d need some kind of comprehensive survey, and I haven’t seen one. But I do know that Democrats also engage in gerrymandering. Maryland is an example. It needs to end for all parties, not just for Republicans.
HR! would have redistricting done by non-partisan commissions instead of state legislators. This system is already used by several states.
There is no such thing as a nonpartisan commission.
We understand that any time somebody says nonpartisan, the billionaires (or their lackeys) will be handpicking the appointees.
Panels of “experts” are much the same
Billionaires have monopolistic control over credentialing and appointment in this country. It is a plutocracy, perhaps it always has been, to one degree or another. Today it functions ‘democratically” only when the billionaires can be sure that the “democratic will” has met their predetermined preferences.
Sal Sar
You just make stuff up.
Baker v. Carr made it impossible to have regular rules for the formation of constituencies. What it did was to block avenues to dispensing with gerrymandering. Gerrymandering itself is an antique practice.
Dopey partisan Democrats fancy their problem is gerrymandering, but gerrymandering doesn’t net many seats. Their real problem is how their vote is distributed over the landscape.
Why did Newsmax invite Mr. Lindell for an on-air interview if Newsmax then refused to let him speak?
He was invited on to discuss his Twitter account having been suspended. He was trying to change the topic.
And why was his twitter account suspended??? Because he was talking about the fraudulent election…and the Dominion machines. Exactly what he said on Newsmax.
Ha, ha, ha. Ask yourself why his Twitter account was suspended. After you figure that out it is OK for you to laugh at yourself. Most people end up in that position at one time or another. Some bit more frequently than others.
Yeah. Very weird! They silenced him for the exact same reason as did Twitter. Since when does an interviewer refuse to let you say something with which they don’t agree? The normal practice would be to let the guy speak and then question him further, etc. about facts you think aren’t supported by evidence, etc.
Farmer Boy:
Very Christopher Hitchens who made this point to his slovenly interviewers and bubble-headed bleach blonde anchors all the time when things really got good and they leaped to shut him down.
Folks….there is the truth and then there is also the truth…..the dilemma is in discerning which is the closer to the real honest by God truth.
Let’s add to the confusion here by injecting this account linked below.
Very early on I was quite vocal about Trump needing to fire Rudy….and find a genuine Advocate rather than what he had in Rudy that was doing far more harm than good.
Events have proven me correct on that.
I also am not convinced there was “no fraud” as I have seen no legitimate effort to prove that.
I have seen every effort to prevent the hearing of evidence that would lead to either the proving of fraud on a massive scale or properly debunk those claims.
Read the article….and make up your own mind.
If you are objective and use Professor Turley’s Honest Man concept….there is sufficient information in the public domain to cause you to want to see these issues settled once and for all….as it would be a huge step in the right direction to lessen the divisiveness we see today.
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/november-3-december-23-all-the-presidents-teams/
Here you go Ralph. That meeting from another perspective:
https://www.axios.com/trump-oval-office-meeting-sidney-powell-a8e1e466-2e42-42d0-9cf1-26eb267f8723.html
It turns out that none of Trump’s staff – down to Jared – believed the fraud conspiracy BS Powell, Byrne, and Rudy were selling. Why would they?
I read this axios story, and if it’s to be believed, what a mess. I wonder if it’s accurate. What were the sources? Perhaps it is not fully accurate. It is troubling if it is true.
In any event, i found it interesting that Byrne was in on it. Byrne is a pioneer of using blockchain for inventory control at Overstock.com
Byrne or others at Overstock, or one of its subsidiaries, developed a method for validating votes with blockchain. That is the future of election integrity, in the long run. Not necessarily theirs per se, but something in that direction.
People do not trust centralized systems anymore. Only a distributed ledger will be trusted in the future. That is the whole point of blockchain. The ledgers are not centralized, they are validated by many different nodes in the chain. This is a real and promising technology which should be developed.
https://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-voting-us-election-problems
Sal Sar
There was clearly some fraud. People have already been arrested for it, like this Trump supporter –
https://www.fox29.com/news/authorities-pennsylvania-man-tried-to-request-ballot-for-deceased-mother
Some fraud is not fraud on a massive scale.
I’d agree to having “these issues settled once and for all” if “these issues” also include a public investigation of voter suppression and Trump’s efforts to get public officials to act corruptly (as occurred in his phone call with the GA SoS). How about you, do you want ALL of these issues addressed publicly?
As far as I can tell, any “unhinged and unsupported claims” are claims that are not supported by George Soros and the Left. Got it!
Cindy, how about you take one of Lindell’s claims and try to support it with valid evidence?
“Cindy, how about you take one of Lindell’s claims and try to support it with valid evidence?”
Someone’s not looking very hard.
It’s been known for years, and has been reported for years (by those on both sides of the aisle), that Dominion’s machines are easily corrupted. (As are a number of other voting systems.) When a security expert can hack a voting machine in about 7 minutes — there’s a problem. When white hat hackers can breach those machines, like burglars walking through an open door — there’s a problem. When those machines have internal modems, that can be switched on remotely, thereby connecting the machines to the internet — there’s a problem. When the activity logs can be wiped out by an administrator — there’s a problem. When the machines can be manipulated into throwing an insanely high percentage of ballots into adjudication — there’s a problem.
When everybody from Mother Jones to the New York Times to democratic politicians to the state of Texas to security experts sounds the alarm, but nobody listens — there’s a problem.
The evidence is overwhelming and is everywhere. One only needs to look.
Dominion voting systems aren’t connected to the internet.
“Dominion voting systems aren’t connected to the internet.”
You need to learn how to read. Here’s what I wrote:
” When those machines have internal modems, that can be switched on remotely . . .”
And you don’t know what you’re talking about:
“The three largest voting manufacturing companies — Election Systems &Software, Dominion Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic — have acknowledged they all put modems in some of their tabulators and scanners.”
“That team of election security experts say that last summer, they discovered some systems are, in fact, online.
“’We found over 35 [voting systems] had been left online and we’re still continuing to find more,’ Kevin Skoglund, a senior technical advisor at the election security advocacy group National Election Defense Coalition, told NBC News.” (That’s an *NBC* story from Jan. 2020. There are countless others.)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436
Sam, notice that you haven’t presented any actual evidence.
Present some, and we can discuss it. But I’m not going to spend time looking for it on your behalf, and I’m not going to take your word for it.
BTW, reports that Dominion’s machines can be easily corrupted is not evidence that they WERE corrupted in November’s election. So don’t resort to handwaving about possibilities. Present some evidence that something illegal occurred in a widespread way.
“But I’m not going to spend time looking for it on your behalf . . .”
I think what you mean is: on your own behalf. Because you don’t want to see.
Further, I am not your unpaid research assistant, and have no desire to debate with the willfully blind. I conducted such investigations and research throughout my professional life, as I did so in this case. The evidence for everything I said is out there. Seek and ye shall find.
OK Sam, not trying to work you too hard here, so forget the evidence for now. What is the scenario for how this fraud occurred and to the degree necessary to turn 6 states from Trump to Biden (no question I guess about the states Trump won)? Once we have that maybe we can discuss the evidence necessary to prove it.
OK?
PS I hope this not going to be the Dominion scenario, given that’s been shot down by Trump’s cyber expert, most Dominion counties went for Trump and were backed up by paper ballots, and lastly Dominion might sue Turley if you get too far off the reservation on this.
No, Sam, I meant what I actually said, not what you prefer to imagine.
I agree that you’re not my unpaid research asst.
I’m not yours or Cindy’s either. If one of you presents actual evidence, I’ll look at it. If you’re both unwilling to do that on behalf of your own argument, don’t expect me to be your unpaid research asst.
“If one of you presents actual evidence . . .”
Just did that (above) for one of the claims I made in my original comment. (See the election security experts noted in the NBC story I cited.) If you have counter-evidence to prove that those experts are wrong, then provide it.
As for the other claims in *my* original comment: I’ve provided amply evidence for them in countless other comments on this blog. And am not going to repeat them.
It is *my* claims for which I provided evidence. I reject the premise that I am obliged to provide evidence for claims made by others or that arise in someone’s fevered imagination. Further, I seriously doubt that your motivation is to engage the evidence. You and countless others could be choking on the evidence — and in your last, dying breath, you’d splutter: “Russia!”
My position on this issue has been clear from the outset: By any real-world standard, there is more than sufficient evidence to justify a serious, independent and objective investigation of the election — especially in the six swing-state cities.
Sam, the Republican cyber expert – ex-Microsoft – who ran the HS office of cyber security says that’s BS. Trump fired him. Dominion is suing people right and left who make these claims and and they’re folding .
From Axios reporting we now know none of Trump’s WH team of lawyers and staff – including Jared – or Bill Barr believed any of this nonsense. Do you think they were all Deep State plants?
Or what?
I love Jonathan Swann’s work at Axios!
Elvis Bug
Where’s my check, George?
This election cycle’s irregularities, as with other previous elections, will be swept into the dustbin of history with very little likelihood of ever being sorted out. One remembers Kennedy’s results in Chicago in 1959. Conclusive answers will never be forthcoming because they will never be investigated with the intensity and focus required to provide clear and unambiguous answers. “Good enough for Gub’ment work” one supposes.
1959?
Actually, it was 1960 that Kennedy won because of Mayor Daley’s (Chicago’s) ballot box stuffing exercise. I cannot at this time give you citations but I recall (yes, I am that old) clearly that years later some of those involved proudly admitted what they had done. Another big reason it was never formally investigated at the time is because Nixon, not wanting to put the country through the wringer, conceded. In those days, the policies of the two parties were not that much different. Kennedy was a good President. I did not vote for Kennedy but I was hired to work in Bobby Kennedy’s Justice Department anyway, and proudly did. I am sure no Republican will be hired to work in Biden’s DOJ, at any level. Today the parties are poles apart and now that the Left is in control, it is a certainty that the many very credible allegations of election “irregularities” will never be investigated. Neither will the Hunter Biden corruption or the credible allegations of Tara Reade. As we are seeing, both here on this blog and elsewhere, anyone who raises questions about any of this becomes a pariah. You don’t have to be loud and persistent (and obnoxious) like Mike Lindell, I have seen it myself. I personally observed two days of testimony (under oath) from Republican poll-watchers in Michigan and Wisconsin as to how they were prevented from doing their jobs and were verbally harassed by Democrat election “officials”. I also saw the video of those suitcases being dragged from under the table in Georgia after counting was supposedly suspended, and the video of the woman running the same stack of ballots through the scanning/counting machine multiple times. That would have been plenty of “evidence” for an honest nonpartisan justice system to have investigated, put all those people under oath and “provide clear and unambiguous answers”. But we do not have an honest nonpartisan justice system any more. The winners get to dictate policy (and re-write history, a la George Orwell’s “1984”). The call for “unity” is a thinly veiled call for submission, or else. The policy of the Left is to cancel and punish those who ask questions or push back. This will not end in a good place. 75 million voted for Trump.
Kennedy would have won without Illinois and the accusations about Daley were not confirmed. Look it up.
Wise, I appreciate your perspective on these issues. I went to law school because I care so much about justice. I have become very disillusioned. The realization that there is so little curiosity about the voting irregularities is a sad commentary on the current state of affairs. It is astonishing to me that any discourse about election fraud was so quickly converted into a convenient narrative and characterized as a “lie.” There has also been little curiosity about security failures that were likely the cause of the breach of the Capitol. I would like to hear Nancy Pelosi testify under oath about what she knew and when she knew it. Then the Dems weave the narrative to proceed with an impeachment. Biden’s call for unity is disingenuous. It’s all very infuriating.
Interesting that JT is silent about the fact that Dominion is suing several people and organizations for defamation and has threatened to add Newsmax to the suit, and Newsmax has likely ordered its anchors to act to protect the company. Also, Lindell wasn’t invited onto the show to discuss the election but to discuss Twitter’s choice to ban the company’s account.
Indeed, and maybe I am wrong, but didn’t Turley write here that the fact that Dominion and Smartec were not suing Powell yet might imply their guilt? Did I get that right? No follow up on that one by JT!
Twitter banned Lindell on the basis of Lindell’s statements regarding the election and Lindell’s allegations of election fraud. I don’t agree with Lindell, but Newsmax acts disingenuously and hypocritically to invite Lindell to discuss Twitter’s ban but not the reasons for the ban.
What voting machines did they use in Myanmar?
Myanmar’s internal affairs are Myanmar’s business. The US should stay out of this fracas. It has no place to second guess either side.
Yes I realize China is close to their military. Can you blame Myanmar? They are on the Chinese border. America’s politicians are so arrogant that they think they can call the shots everywhere. I reject this as an American.
Sal Sar
Turley writes:
“Within a couple days of the election, most of us stated that there was not evidence of systemic fraud and became increasingly critical of the Trump team for failing to put forward evidence of such fraud with the use of these machines. I have been highly critical of Lindell and his statements since the election.”
No you didn’t you phony. Let’s see the column. You supported doubts about the election and calls by Republicans for a commission to investigate the election.
What a lying hypocrite.
Proving only there is no dumpster fire onto which you will not pour gasoline, Mr Turley.
The my pillow guy is a snake oil salesman. Who in the hell is still buying his way-over-priced piece of crap pillows….it’s a pillow people. I also don’t believe sellers who make sure their cross is clearly visible in all camera shots despite being a believer myself. Bottom line here for Newsmax…. don’t have this nut job on in the first place.
And speaking of snake oil salesmen, I also, as an independent, voted twice for the trump….surely not because I really liked him or his shtick , but his policies, getting things done, and for his love of country and not all the other PC bullcrap. God bless all those people who went to the trump’s rallies, but you couldn’t give me a ticket or pay me to go to one.
And speaking of more snake oil salesmen…. let’s hear it for Mr Unity from Scranton…. the big difference in this case is….lunch bucket Joe doesn’t even know he is one.