Former police officer Derek Chauvin was just sentenced to 22 1/2 years in prison for his conviction in the murder of George Floyd. That sentence was hardly a surprise though some suggested that he would be sentenced near to 30 years. It is a fair sentence that adds ten years to the baseline offense due to the four aggravating factors found by the Court. What was surprising was the statement of Chauvin himself to the court and the family.
For first offenders, second-degree murder will often result in 150 months or 12½ years in prison. In 2019, former officer Mohamed Noor was sentenced to 12 1/2 years in prison after for the third-degree murder and manslaughter of Justine Ruszczyk Damond. However, the aggravators could have pushed the sentence to 30 years. This was a fair and reasonable sentence given his holding a position of authority in the commission of the crime.
What was curious was Chauvin’s statement to the Court:
“Due to legal matters, I’m not able to give a full formal statement … I give my condolences to the Floyd family, there’s gonna be some other information in the future that will be of interest and I hope these will give you some peace of mind.”
That was something of a mystery since any new evidence would hardly bring closure for the family. The only thing that I can imagine would be a plea to the pending federal charges. It is possible for Chauvin to accept a plea with a recommended sentence while continuing his appeal on the state charges. Violating someone’s civil rights is punishable “by a range of imprisonment up to a life term, or the death penalty.”
Chauvin is looking at a precarious and punishing time in prison. Former officers are given special protections but they face ongoing threats against their lives. For Chauvin, those threats will be magnified given his notoriety. He can be placed in special units to avoid the need for continuing segregation but this is a more isolated existence for a former officer.
I’m way behind you, still puzzling over how he could have been charged (and convicted) of two sorts of murder and manslaughter. I watched a good deal of the trial, and I wavered between convicting of manslaughter and complete acquittal. Whatever one might think of the political aspect of his criminal trial, the federal prosecution for “civil rights violations” strikes me as a most worrisome phenomenon. How can any murder not be a violation of civil rights?
I agree. There was no evidence presented at trial that Chauvin was racially motivated. In fact, racism wasn’t even mentioned, that I heard.
Charging Chauvin federally for civil rights violations is just taking two bites from the same apple. A kitchen sink approach.
It is my understanding that a civil rights violation requires discrimination based on race, color, gender, age, national origin, or disability. Yet none of that appeared to occur. The race of the police officer and the arrestee is not, in itself, evidence of racism. Chauvin held George Floyd because he was a very large man, struggling and freaking out due to the presence of meth and fentanyl in his system, as well as underlying health conditions, and possibly a panic attack. If George Floyd had not struggled, then Chauvin would not have held him down. The trigger was the struggle, not race.
Granted, Chauvin held him down long after Floyd stopped struggling. He ignored recommendations from his fellow officers to change his position, because of excited delirium. And he callously ignored Floyd’s panicked protests that he couldn’t breathe. Even if it was just a panic attack, holding him like that would have exacerbated the condition. He didn’t even try to help him until after he’d gone limp, despite a crowd telling him it looked like he was losing consciousness and to check his pulse.
There is no evidence that I’ve seen, however, that any of those actions were motivated by Floyd’s race.
However, there have been plenty of crimes committed by BLM activists who have publicly proclaimed their racist motivation against whites and Asians. Perhaps some of those should be charged with civil rights violations.
“A civil rights violation is any offense that occurs as a result or threat of force against a victim by the offender on the basis of being a member of a protected category. For example, a victim who is assaulted due to their race or sexual orientation. Violations can include injuries or even death. Civil rights can occur if a person has had their granted freedoms taken away or is discriminated against based on:
Race
Color
Gender
Age
National origin
Disability
When a person’s rights are violated, the offender may be prosecuted under certain criminal statutes.”
https://parnalladams.com/what-is-considered-a-civil-rights-violation/
Karen translation: “IT’S TOTALLY COOL WHEN COPS SNUFF OUT INNOCENT LIVES AS LONG THE COPS ARE NOT RAICST ABOUT IT.”
FIFY.
It’s also totally cool when an illegal immigrant murders an innocent women:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/jury-finds-undocumented-immigrant-guilty-murder-kate-steinle/story?id=51497686
Biden also stopped deporting illegal immigrants who committed sexual assaults.
Happy?
There is a technicality in second degree murder in Minnesota that made conviction on this charge much easier to obtain than anyone would expect. The law basically says an assault that results in death is second degree murder. The intent required to be proved regarding the assault is merely that the defendant meant to do the act that caused the harm; there is no need to prove that the defendant intended to cause the harm itself. This rule of law about the intent required to prove assault was decided by the Minnesota Supreme Court several years ago; though heavily criticised it remains good law. Because Chauvin intended to use his knee to hold Floyd down, the intent requirement was met. The only defences Chauvin really had to this charge were that his use of force was reasonable in the circumstances throughout the time it was applied or that his actions did not cause Floyd’s death. The expert testimony was overwhelmingly against Chauvin on the first point, even though there was some effective cross examination. The defense expert witness in this area was ineffective On the question of cause, Dr Tobin’s testimony for the prosecution was extremely effective, and the cross examination did not undermine his theoretical analysis to any significant degree. While the defense expert’s testimony was pretty good, in the end it too failed to undermine Tobin’s presentation. Given the law and the testimony, it is not surprising that there was a conviction for second degree murder.
4 x the legal amount on fentanyl found in his body. Coroner stated he died due to a drug OD, not asphyxiation. Chauvin (a dirty cop, granted) did nothing outside of normal restraining procedures as taught to him.
But let’s ignore that because Orange Man Bad…
Floyd was a scumbag. Chauvin incarcerated because the Democrats needed to rally their troops (ANTIFA/BLM).
Yep. George Floyd would have been dead before the end of that day no matter what else happened to him. There WAS reasonable doubt, but who cares, we are now under mob rule.
Dan: “Floyd was a scumbag. Chauvin incarcerated because the Democrats needed to rally their troops (ANTIFA/BLM).”
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America’s Brownshirts. Funny that more don’t see that but history is no longer of interest to these people.
Breaking News for Conservatives: No murder exception for unhealthy people, sorry dopes! Did Trump tell you that? .
Watch a wrestling match if you want to see “pressure” on someone’s neck, shoulder and back.
The defense should have shredded the concept of significant knee-on-neck pressure.
They must be prepping for appeal or a pardon after President Donald J. Trump is returned to office.
Agreed, Turley. Good sentence. Could’ve, maybe should’ve, been more. But this conviction and sentence certainly fits the crime.
eb
Eb,
Turley will not undermine the legitimacy of the criminal justice system. Because of his oath as an attorney, he will not call the anticipated indictment of the Trump organization a “witch-hunt” despite the protestations of the Trumpists on this blog who will yell to high heaven.
It will be interesting to watch the coverage on Fox to this expected indictment. If Hannity, et.al., also charge that it is a witch-hunt, I can’t see how Turley will be called upon to contribute to the discussion because he will not subscribe to this narrative. Turley will raise the usual legal defenses and exculpations, but in the final analysis, he will accede to the jury’s judgment which will not put him in good stead with his FoxNation audience.
Apparently there’s word charges on the Trump Organization could start to file in soon, Jeff. I’m getting the sense we will see where this puts Turley sooner rather than later. I get the sense he’s batoning down the hatches a bit. He could’ve commented on a number of issues lately far more worthy than the lastest ‘tyranny from the left’ professor of the week but chose to retreat and personality feud. Interesting time in Turley world i imagine!
eb
I have said for a while now that Turley jumped into Trump’s swamp neck deep, and now he has to walk back a bit but not to much otherwise he would lose his right-wing base.
Agreed. It’ll be interesting watching the shuffle step back in the next weeks.
eb
*will be charges
eb
Jeff, at least you are consistent. Unable or unwilling to put forth ANY argument without referencing Fox or the fact that Turley occasionally contributes on that network. Not a psychiatrist but did take a class in college. I think this falls under a mental defect called obsession.
Paul,
“Obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.”
-anonymous
JS
Anonymous, No that would be focused or driven. Which are good things if used for an altruistic cause. Obsession is unhealthy. It leads to conclusions based on emotion, bias and in some cases hate.
Anonymous was to whom I attributed the quotation.
You are speaking with the obsessed. I am determined to expose Turley’s blatant hypocrisy in profiting from a network which markets in inciting the public’s rage which calamity he rightly condemns. If you don’t like my dedication, that’s too damn bad. But I’m not going to stop; so you had better just get used to it.
But for his contemptible selling out to Fox News, I would have no complaint; however, unlike you, Turley is no Trumpist- he is a liberal much like me. Remember that.
Jeff Silberman
The defense did is terrible job. George Floyd was screaming he couldn’t breath, several times while they were trying to get him in the back of the police car, no one was anywhere near his neck at the time. This is BEFORE he was ever taken to the ground and knee placed on the side of his neck.
The autopsy found he had EXTREMELY SEVERE heart disease, a 25% blockage, a 50% blockage, a 75% blockage and THREE 90%, blockages, plus an ENLARGED HEART, and other ailments.
Him struggling with the police is what caused him to go into cardiac arrest and die. My 52 year old brother was the picture of health and died suddenly after playing tennis due to undiagnosed heart disease. He had two 50% blockages and two 90% blockages and the medical examiner said this was SEVER heart disease and that because of it his heart could not pump enough blood to sustain his organs and that exerting himself playing tennis was the catalyst that put in motion his sudden death. The same as George Floyd fighting the police was the catalyst that put in motion his sudden death as well because his heart could not take it.
His lawyers should be disbarred. His EXTREMELY SEVER heart disease and his complaining of not being able to breath… LONG BEFORE HE WAS TAKEN TO THE GROUND… should have been THE DEFENSE and they should have pounded these two FACTS into the jurors heads all trial long and should have had experts testify corroborating this evidence.
His lawyer did a decent job against overwhelming odds.
“The defense did is terrible job. George Floyd was screaming he couldn’t breath, several times while they were trying to get him in the back of the police car, no one was anywhere near his neck at the time. This is BEFORE he was ever taken to the ground and knee placed on the side of his neck. can’t breath.”
– Anny
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The boy who cried wolf.
Because Chauvin was given an unfair trial in an adversarial venue with a rabidly biased jury, because the defendant had no hope of anything approaching a fair trial, the defense didn’t feel confident pointing out the decedent’s infinite and damning flaws.
“the defense didn’t feel confident pointing out the decedent’s infinite and damning flaws.”
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I think there was a motion in limine or case law or both prohibiting that. But, I said months ago there was a way it could be gotten in, and I explained it, but Chauvin would have to take the stand.
I don’t doubt that you are correct.
I would disagree, as a layman and citizen, about the rationale for keeping anything that even slightly bears out.
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“All the news that’s fit to print.”
– Adolph S. Ochs
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All the evidence that’s fit to introduce, nay, all the evidence that fits in a courtroom.
The singular American failure has been and remains the judicial branch…to beat a dead horse.
One approach might have been to ask Chauvin on the stand if he thought Floyd posed an unusual danger and take a chance on not asking more hoping the prosecutor will ask why he thought that. He could then say he worked with Floyd as security at a bar and knew of his history of shoving a gun into a pregnant woman’s stomach. That way the prosecutor brings it out. If that fails go for it on redirect.
Or your boy Chauvin is a cold blooded murderer and no legal defense would have helped. Does that ever cross your wittle mind?
Constance– I agree that no legal defense would have helped. I said months ago here that I did not see a path to conviction based on the evidence but that I thought his chances of acquittal in this corrupted jurisdiction were remote. As Professor Turley said, there should have been a change of venue and a continuance while the allegations of state misconduct were sorted out.
What’s a wittle mind?
The part of that about the continuance, etc was my contribution. The professor may or may not agree, but I don’t want to give the impression that he said something on it one way or the other.
I’ll bet Egypt is ecstatic that the Israelite slaves were out of Egypt before the ink was dry on their release papers.
Egypt hasn’t suffered for millennia, and doesn’t suffer now, a caterwauling, ineffectual and dependent minority which is relentlessly begging for “free stuff,” in all its multitudinous forms, including compulsory free social
acceptance, free money, free food, free housing, free matriculation, free grade inflation, free hiring, free mortgage assistance, free healthcare insurance, free immunity from culpability, etc.
The communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) in America have made Karl Marx proud.
No freedom and self-reliance for them; simply class “untouchability,” dependence and entitlement.
“If you’re half right, you’re half wrong.
If you’re half wrong, you’re all wrong.”
– Anonymous
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The spurious Derek Chauvin video is half right.
You know you’re in full blown communist wack-job mode when the bad guys prevail over the good guys.
George Floyd was the lowest form of scum and the dregs of society, in my opinion.
What say you?
Who won here, society or the dregs of society?
Ridiculous.
America had better stand for something and stop falling for anything the communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) spew, or America will have been “fundamentally transformed” out of
existence.
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George Floyd’s Criminal Past
– George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
– In May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
– He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest
– Floyd has more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail for at least 5 times
– George Floyd was the ringleader of a violent home invasion
– He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
– Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
– He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offense, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
– Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
– He had another stint for a theft in August 1998
One wonders how many other crimes he committed that he got away with.
Well, then there’s that!
Barnum: One wonders how many other crimes he committed that he got away with.
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And how many more crimes would he have committed if he hadn’t died resisting arrest for these three crimes.
Any he no doubt got away with much much more…….
Okay, George, so the praise for George Floyd is a bit over the top, considering his lifelong devotion to carrying out criminal activities. But it’s not like they built a statue of him to honor him, or anything.
Please post the text for the murder exception for bad guys, drug addicts, etc. The people whom really need it are the stupid attorney whom defended Chauvin. If you had just give them that text he’d be free to kill so many more by now!
And isn’t that judge just a jerk for not allowing Chauvin’s attorneys to post all this bad Floyd news to justify Chauvin murdering Floyd! Oh the humanity!
The victim, in this preposterous non-case, is Derek Chauvin who was ridiculously convicted and sentenced, not to a state prison but to an extreme political communist re-education camp for political prisoners.
The overall campaign is not dissimilar to the circumstances of Stalin’s Soviet political show trials and the Chinese “Cultural” Revolution.
It includes the See-Say Program. The Department of Homeland Security is urging all good citizens to turn in actual American “white supremacists” and other “Trump supporters” through its See-Say program wherein
“good citizens” turn in their friends, neighbors and family members who don’t toe the communist (liberal, progressive, socialist, democrat, RINO) line, reminiscent of the Soviet Union and China under Chairman Mao’s
tyrannical “Cultural Revolution.”
Currently, DHS et al. are forcing Trump Rally attendees to confess:
“An Indiana grandmother up on trespassing charges in the Capitol riot case was told by her court-appointed public defender to denounce her “white privilege.” The defense attorney gave her a reading list to
reprogram her political views in order to cut a deal for no prison time for trespassing on January 6. She’s the first of the trespassers to be sentenced.”
– PJ Media
It may not be too soon to conclude that the Obama Coup D’etat in America succeeded beyond the wildest dreams of its co-conspirators and the Deep Deep State.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to
provide new Guards for their future security.”
– Declaration of Independence, 1776
IMO American Caucasian Chauvin sympathizers are the single largest group responsible for Biden being POTUS now. If Trump and the people I just described had shown even the most moderate magnitude of sympathy for Floyd and his family, Trump’s chances of winning would have been exponentially greater.
I hate to use the worn out term but if the source of this disgusting thought process is not racism I don’t know what it is. I’m open to suggestions.
Maybe it’s just me but I don’t think Presidents in office should say a word about a person who may end up asking for clemency or a pardon down the road. The process ought to go on and play itself out and it seems like interference if the only man who can grant either respite signals what he has in mind.
Sympathy for the Devil?
No thank you.
Might I suggest you’re a moron?
Uh, they DID. This was almost universally viewed as a tragedy. Objectively observing the law is not tantamount to sympathy. You clearly live under a rock, and it apparently whispers in your ear.
The decedent murder himself through self-abuse.
We can only still hope and pray the Feds can and do convict Chauvin and give him the dirt nap he demanded the day he murdered Floyd.
The vicious and destructive impulses of the left are almost enough evil to convince me to return to religion. There is no modesty or shame n your unfettered hatreds, Theroigne.
George Floyd was not murdered. H died from SEVER heart disease and an enlarged heart which lead to heart failure and sudden cardiac death due to him overexerting himself fighting with the police and resisting arrest.
FREE DEREK CHAUVIN!
No other sane and healthy person has ever died from lying on the ground.
The decedent was too ill from self-abuse to even lie on the ground.
Derek Chauvin was not exerting himself and was following training and policy.
Ridiculous.
No person, security or otherwise, could possibly predict that an offender who was in need of subduing would not be able to lie on the ground until an ambulance arrived.
No person placed on the ground with a simple knee placed on his shoulder area would die.
Ridiculous.
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“Minneapolis Police Used Neck Restraints 237 Times, Left 44 People Unconscious Since 2015, Records Show”
[AND NO ONE DIED]
Minneapolis Police Department officers have used neck restraints to subdue at least 237 people since 2015, according to an NBC News report published on Monday.
The report, which analyzed Minneapolis police records dating back roughly five years, also found that officers’ use of the disarming restraint tactic caused subjects to lose consciousness in 44 of those instances.
The Minneapolis Police Department permits neck restraints and chokeholds under certain circumstances.
A version of the department’s manual published online defines the restraint as “compressing one of both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway.”
The instructions list neck restraints, as opposed to chokeholds, as “non-deadly” uses of force, though law enforcement can apply the approach to render people unconscious if they are “exhibiting active aggression” or
resisting arrest and if less forceful means of restraint were not effective.
“…the Minneapolis Police Department’s original incident report claimed Floyd was resisting officers as they initiated arrest,…”
– Newsweek, Fri, Jun 25, 2021
A paramedic on the scene told Chauvin the arrestee was unconscious, not breathing, needed medical attention and Chauvin held his position over Floyd for about 2 minutes beyond that point.
Explain exactly how the above described action by Chauvin is not intentional murder.
Explain exactly and specifically in which class did the police “train” Chauvin to ignore paramedics like that, and to continue sitting atop an arrestee like that in that instance on that date. Date, time, of class, trainer name, and post a link to the training book text Chauvin was following and post a link proving Chauvin’s attendance and the instructor’s signature confirming same. Surely the defense and Chauvin’s ex-union bosses have published all this to prove Chauvin’s innocence.
Also explain how Chauvin’s above described actions did not violate his oath of office to provide care for the public.
Unless you just made out of thin air everything you posted because you love to see white cops murder innocent blacks, and bigger the deceased black man the more points for cop whitey.
Why don’t you white sympathizers volunteer to serve Chauvin’s sentence, or join the police in Chauvin’s honor (wear a St. Derek medal) and kill more innocent blacks in honor of Chauvin?
Why don’t you black criminals stop wreaking havoc on good white people?
Post the quote in the training manual where it says to continue with the knee to back restraint method after a licensed paramedic on the scene informs you the arrestee is unconscious and requires medical aid.
If Chauvin did not intend to murder Floyd (murder 1 and 2) then tell us stupid readers exactly what was Chauvin’s intent for the 2 minutes he continued restraining an unconscious subject whom required medical attention? Was Chauvin so afraid that Floyd might wake up to go home, get a gun and kill Chauvin?
Whitey cops: if you’re that afraid of big black men quit your job now before you murder an innocent man like Chauvin did.
“licensed paramedic on the scene ”
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That tubby employee of the fire department, described as a ‘rookie’ by her department’, did not examine Floyd and was not in uniform.. Instead of approaching quietly and identifying herself and offering to help she stood on the sidewalk filming with her phone and yelling at the police officers and, likely, whipping up the emotions of others and potentially creating a dangerous situation. She clearly distracted the police from Floyd and caused them to watch the crowd for trouble. She should have been reprimanded or fired for that performance. I suspect she isn’t getting much love from other fire department or police personnel for that yelling stunt.
Again: if you’re a cop and if you have any reason to suspect Chauvin is innocent, quit your job immediately unless you want to spend time behind bars yourself like Chauvin.
The paramedic was on scene and spoke the truth to Chauvin whom ignored the paramedic because his intent (murder 1/2) was to commit murder. Claiming the paramedic was “tubby” is not a defense to ignore the paramedic.
Even Chauvin’s fellow cop agreed with the paramedic on the scene that Chauvin needed to cease and desist, and said so to Chauvin, which Chauvin ignored and further proved the murder charge and guaranteed conviction. Did that cop lie or tell the truth?
How about we order each and every cop to sign, at the end of each shift, a legal document stating: “I swear under penalty of perjury that I committed no crime (even infraction) during my last shift and witnessed no potential crime by any other law enforcement officer.” And start convicting officers of felony perjury whom lie by signing the form.
Cops commit crimes with other cop’s knowledge and blessings. That’s the root of the problem. Cops need to be trained how to place cops under arrest while on duty and be trained how to react when you are arrested on duty. If/when we see cops arresting cops on duty while the cop is committing a crime, then we’ll know it’s getting better.
he autopsy found he had EXTREMELY SEVERE heart disease, a 25% blockage, a 50% blockage, a 75% blockage and THREE 90%, blockages, plus an ENLARGED HEART, and other ailments.
George Floyd was not murdered.
No, he was not and any objective interpretation of all of the available evidence points to his being innocent.
And water is not wet.
If Chauvin is not a murderer I guess he’s eating dinner at home tonight…if home is a State prison.
It’s not state prison it’s an extreme political communist re-education camp for political prisoners.
It’s not dissimilar to the circumstances of Stalin’s Soviet political show trials and the Chinese “Cultural” Revolution.
It includes the SeeSay Program. The Department of Homeland Security is urging all good citizens to turn in actual American “white supremacists” through its SeeSay program wherein good citizens turn in their friends, neighbors and family members who don’t toe the communist (liberal, progressive, socialist, democrat, RINO) line.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
The jury said otherwise. And let me guess, you think Babbitt was innocent.
I would give you an explanation but you are not as much fun to play with as Ben Marcus is. Most of the trolls aren’t.
I am not a troll. I am a person who believes that cops should not murder people.
Nobody believes that cops should murder people but an objective look at the evidence does not indicate that Floyd was murdered and no statistic supports the current thought that cops are wildly shooting or killing innocent black people or anyone else.
The statistic that should catch your attention, but nobody seems to care about, is that more than 54% of the murders in the United States are committed by blacks, mostly male blacks, who constitute only about 7% of the population. When 7% of the population is responsible for more than 54% of the murders maybe we should worry less about rogue cops and more about these killers.
Most of the people they kill are black. Does that get your attention at all?
In Chicago there have been 1,832 shot to date, 318 of them shot and killed. In the same time only 3 have been killed and 6 wounded by police. Less than 1% of the shootings have been by police and those done while attempting to enforce the law against a violent and usually armed perpetrator.
What do you think the folks were doing when the other 1,832 were shot? Selling lemonade?
Similar statistics are showing up in other urban areas.
Since the ‘defund the police’ movement has gotten underway, the murder and other crime statistics in all major cities that have embraced that policy have seen big surges.
Who pays for those policies? The social justice warrior politicians who defund the police but surround themselves with private security? Not a bit. Go to Chicago and see the bodies for yourself. They are the ones who pay for those policies.
By any sane measure, by the measure of gallons of blood spilled in the streets, the police are not the problem.
Police in the US kill an overwhelming large number of people compared to our peer nations. Those statistics are clear and easy to find. US police kill about 3 people per day. The jury and judge took and look at the evidence and he was guilty as hell.
Our peer nations do not have a huge black population awash in a culture of crime. In the UK blacks are disproportionately engaged in criminal conduct just as they are here. There just aren’t as many of them
Instead of wondering about statistics in other countries, examine the circumstances of shootings here–and every shooting is investigated–and see if they are justified.
You still haven’t touched on the dire problem of 7% of the population doing more than 54% of the killing.
It will be more than that if you get your way with the police.
The fact is that police reduce the number of black people killed. Don’t you care about those deaths? Not really, I think. You couldn’t even bring yourself to mention that issue.
“Those statistics are clear and easy to find. US police kill about 3 people per day.”
That is a willfully dishonest use of statistics.
No functioning adult can be so ignorant as to not ask the obvious question: What are the circumstances of those shootings?
Young notes:
“The statistic that should catch your attention, but nobody seems to care about, is that more than 54% of the murders in the United States are committed by blacks, mostly male blacks, who constitute only about 7% of the population. When 7% of the population is responsible for more than 54% of the murders maybe we should worry less about rogue cops and more about these killers.”
Conclusion?
While I don’t have in hand the actual statistics, I think it is accurate to say that during prohibition and later in the 1930’s, the majority of killings in New York City were committed by Italian gangsters and Jewish hitmen, i.e., Murder, Inc.
Conclusion?
I don’t think it is sound police policy to try to prevent crimes in the Thirties..
Probably more beneficial to focus on crimes happening now.
My conclusion is that you don’t think things through very well.
Hey Jeff, congratulations!!! You finally posted something without referencing Fox or the fact that Turley is a contributor on that network. The therapy must be working.
On your post, if true , and you don’t have the actual statistics ,by your own admission, those Italians and Jewish hitmen should go to jail. And many of them did. Probably, and I don’t have the statistics, in a higher percentage than blacks who commit murder today .So the conclusion is law enforcement resources should be used where most needed .Not that difficult. Unfortunately that would destroy the left’s Defund the Police narrative. Although cities run by idiots like Portland and Minneapolis are now on a Refund the Police mission after the obvious to anyone with an I.Q over room temperature spike in crime happened.
Paul,
My referencing the Italian and Jewish gangland slayings was to point out that the black on black drug war in a our cities today has little to do with ethnicity or race and everything to do with MONEY- nothing personal, just business…
Anon: “black on black drug war in a our cities today has little to do with ethnicity or race”
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I didn’t say it did. I merely noted the government statistics.
You have trouble keeping track.
I agree. but in this case (and most that make the headlines) the cop CLEARLY did not murder George Floyd. he autopsy found he had EXTREMELY SEVERE heart disease, a 25% blockage, a 50% blockage, a 75% blockage and THREE 90%, blockages, plus an ENLARGED HEART, and other ailments.
I, like most actual Americans, am a defacto peer.
Put ME on the jury.
Future information of interest. Hummm, very interesting…
Future Chauvin info of interest: “Me likes to get taxpayer-paid salary and pension to wear a badge, uniform, bullet proof vest, gun, baton, taser, and pepper spray while killing innocent big black men, the bigger the bettuh.”
“Me also likes to commit felony tax fraud!.” Derek faces several tax fraud felonies in his future.
Derek Chauvin: hero tax-fraud murderer felon to white American racists. Build a bronze statue in his honor and worship his likeness.
I worked @ Leavenworth Penitentiary back in the 70’s. There were some crooked cops from out east serving time there. All were in the general population and seemed to do alright. But Chauvin is indeed a much different story than cops on the take.
Nick, did you make license plates?
At the time, Leavenworth made shoes for the military and furniture for GSA. Those were desired jobs. I was a hack.
So, wingtips then? 🙂
This guy remains a total mystery to me. I could not believe he did not take the stand in his own defense at trial. I thought for sure he would attempt to refute the video evidence at trial by explaining to the jury he placed his knee between neck and shoulder without pressure for the purpose of immobilization.
I can only assume that his current reluctance to offer up some basis for mercy is a concern as to how it might affect his appeal.
I agree that it was a mistake to not take the stand but the verdict would have been the same.
Floyd went unconscious and ceased to have a pulse 6 minutes in to Chauvin’s murder. What would your boy Chauvin say to this prosecution Q: “Why did you persist for 2 minutes after the paramedic informed you the arrestee was unconscious and needed medical aid?”
If that act alone is not murder your grasp of language is terrible or you’re hiding the truth.
How is that act murder? George Floyd was screaming he couldn’t breath long before he was taken to the ground when they were trying to put him in the back of the police care and no one was anywhere near his neck. George Floyd was having a panic attack and fighting off the police, it was overexertion which caused him to suffer sudden cardiac death due to his EXTREMELY SEVERE heart disease and enlarged heart. He had THREE 90% blockages, a 75% blockage, a 50% blockage and a 25% blockage. That is off-the-charts severe heart disease. He was a ticking time bomb.
I don’t know what ‘closure’ is other than more silly psychobabble.
Chauvin didn’t commit a crime. He is a human sactifice to the prevailing madness, much like the victims of the Salem witch trials but with less in the way of evidence or law.
In MN murder is a crime that is on the books. Please correct your error.
He committed a crime, just not murder. There is no doubt whatsoever that he violated Floyd rights by kneeling on him for 10 minutes.
A “fair” sentence? By whose standards? Rasputin? Pilate?
Beria
The “Ioudaios” demanded Pilate kill Jesus for dissing the Rabbis and allegedly disobeying Mosaic Law. Pilate interrogated Jesus, found Jesus had committed no Roman crime, Pilate told the Ioudaios what he discovered and that he wanted to set Jesus free, to which “all the Ioudaios shouted, ‘Crucify him, crucify him, crucify him.’ ”
The NT declares five times that the Ioudaios killed Jesus. Pilate gave Jesus over to be crucified but the Scriptures never blame Pilate for Jesus’ crucifixion.
“Pilate gave Jesus over to be crucified but the Scriptures never blame Pilate for Jesus’ crucifixion.”
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True enough. Pilate actually tried to save him.
Maybe did.
That was something of a mystery since any new evidence would hardly bring closure for the family.
His statement didn’t suggest it would give them closure, just some peace of mind.