Dallas History Professor Triggers Academic Freedom Fight Over Reference To “China Virus”

We have been following various controversies involving academics who have referred to Covid-19 as the “China Virus” or the “Wuhan Virus.” There is even a lawsuit on the issue. There is now an interesting case brewing at the University of Dallas.  Professor William Atto is accused of using the reference on a syllabus, which the student newspaper University News called “misnaming COVID-19” and violating the university policy on such references. In response, the head of the History Department, Susan Hanssen, came out in support of her colleague and denied that any such policy exists.

Hanssen threw down the gauntlet with those trying to force out her colleague and called upon the Catholic university to support academic freedom in a column with the site The College Fix.

Hanssen notes how faculty members across the country have been silenced by the fear of being tagged as racist or insensitive in fights over academic freedom. She said that she has had enough with the cancel culture and its impact on higher education in a column where she declared “I will not be silent.”

Hanssen states that the university responded to the campaign by telling Atto on August 26th to change his syllabus.  Atto complied and emailed students that the syllabus was changed to comply with “US Policy.” However, she notes that this was not sufficient for activists who have demanded his termination.

She raises what could be an important legal issue in this and other controversies: whether faculty are required to refer to the virus in a particular way:

“The article was published more than three weeks after the professor was attacked on social media for his choice of words, and reports that “University practice is to refer to this virus as COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2 in accord with medical and scientific literature.”

The print version, published Thursday, called it a “policy,” however, and alluded to “disciplinary actions.”

As chair of the History Department, it was news to me — and likely all faculty — that the university has a policy on referring to COVID. If it does in fact have such a policy, it certainly was not circulated before faculty drafted their syllabi in August.”

That presents an interesting contractual question. (This is a private institution so the free speech protections under the First Amendment do not apply as they do with professors at state schools. However, this is still an institution of higher education that is committed to academic freedom.)  The university states in the Faculty Handbook that “any member of the community of scholars enjoys academic freedom to profess and teach objectively any intellectual position within their academic expertise.”

However, it also notes that such freedom must be exercised within a “framework”: “When a faculty member signs an employment agreement with the University, it is presumed that the faculty member knows and respects the purposes for which the institution exists. These purposes are expressed in chapter 1 of this Handbook.” Chapter 1 reaffirms the goals of a Catholic higher education.

Clearly, racist terms do not have to be spelled out in a list to be addressed by the faculty. However, I could not find any statements from the university that referring to the virus by its presumed original origin is prohibited or not protected by academic freedom.

As we have previously discussed, terms like the “Chinese virus” have been widely used by various experts and commentators, including in scientific journals. Indeed, two Chinese experts referred to this as the “Wuhan virus” until they were pressured to take down their column.

While it is widely viewed as racially insensitive and inflammatory, the use is also heavily imbued with political meaning. Many, including members of Congress continue to use this term because of its origins. Moreover, many object that China has lied about the origins of the virus and arrested scientists who tried to tell the world about its dangers. It is political speech. (I have not used the term and instead to “COVID-19” OR “coronavirus” but it is chilling to see a public university encouraging students to stop others from referring to the “Chinese” or “Wuhan” virus.) This remains a point of political debate.

The use of such labels is common in science and politics. People still refer to the “London variant” and “South Africa variant” of Covid. Other virus and diseases have been associated with areas where they originated like Zika, or Ebola. Notably, the media routinely refers to the South African variant or other variants by locations such as London and India. While the “Spanish flu” may not have started in Spain, it is still the common label for that epidemic.  Indeed, it was the term used by many scientists in the early stages and even liberals. HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher noted correctly “Scientists, who are generally pretty liberal, have been naming diseases after the places they came from for a very long time.”

I personally do not use the term because it is viewed as offensive by many and Covid-19 is now commonly used.  However, the question is whether academics can or should be sanctioned for opting to the reference.  That is why Hanssen’s column is so interesting. If there was no policy of the university on the question, it is hard to see how Atto could be forced to adopt the preferred name without some finding or explanation on the prohibition.

At a minimum, Hanseen is correct about the obligation of the school to be clear on such policies as well as the status (and academic freedom rights) of Professor Atto.

330 thoughts on “Dallas History Professor Triggers Academic Freedom Fight Over Reference To “China Virus””

  1. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus. Covid-19 is the disease.

    Only diversitists (e.g. racists, sexists) are prone to believe that a national, geographical, etc. label can legitimately paint a population.

  2. As I said previously:

    I’m a liberal Democrat, and I do not assume that everything in Woodward’s and Costa’s book is accurate.

    It’s one thing for Woodward to have quoted Trump in his previous book: he interviewed Trump multiple times, and Trump gave Woodward permission to tape the interviews.

    It’s something else entirely for Woodward and Costa to present “quotes” from exchanges where they were not present, especially if these quotes come from high level national security calls, where I doubt there’s even a legal way for them to have gotten a tape or transcript. So the question is: did someone illegally leak those, or are they putting things in quotation marks that are not true quotes? As for private conversations (e.g., between Milley and Pelosi), DC has single party consent, but I cannot imagine either Milley or Pelosi giving consent for it to be recorded and shared with Woodward and Costa.

    Milley will be testifying under oath before the Senate Armed Services Committee in a week, and I’m just going to be patient til more facts come out.

    To be clear, if Milley said what he is quoted as saying, it is illegal, and he should be prosecuted.

  3. OT:

    FBI Director Wray’s prepared testimony for the worldwide threats hearing this morning pointedly refers to 1/6 as domestic terrorism:

    “Overall, the FBI assesses that the January 6th siege of the Capitol Complex demonstrates a willingness by some to use violence against the government in furtherance of their political and social goals. This ideologically motivated violence — domestic terrorism — underscores the symbolic nature of the National Capital Region and the willingness of some Domestic Violent Extremists to travel to events in this area and violently engage law enforcement and their perceived adversaries.”
    https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Testimony-Wray-2021-09-21-REVISED.pdf

  4. “I personally do not use the term because it is viewed as offensive by many . . .”

    The validity of a word is not determined by who or how many deem it offensive.

    Bowing to the offended is not an issue of politeness or civility. Their emotionalist attack on perfectly legitimate words (e.g., “individualism,” “objectivity,” “Wuhan virus”) is an attempt to keep people ignorant and submissive.

  5. OT:

    “Self-Described ‘Disbarred and Disgraced Former Arkansas Lawyer’ Sues Doctor Who Admittedly Violated New Texas Abortion Ban”
    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/self-described-disbarred-and-disgraced-former-arkansas-lawyer-sues-doctor-who-admittedly-violated-new-texas-abortion-ban/

    Will JT finally write a thoughtful column discussing why we should all be concerned about the structure of SB8, in that it attempts to “evade federal judicial scrutiny by outsourcing the enforcement of unconstitutional laws to its citizenry” (quoting Justice Sotomayor), and if allowed, any state could do similarly with other unconstitutional laws?

    1. Impeach Biden, Harris, Pelosi and the Joint Chiefs for treason. Only when that happens will a recovery from this nightmare appear on the horizon.
      It is treason and simply said, The Democratic Party is the party of Marxism, Socialism, Terrorism and Anti- Americanism. It is the sworn enemy of every red-blooded patriotic American.
      David Horowitz is the author of The Enemy Within: How A Totalitarian Movement Is Destroying America, and the forthcoming (October 5th) I Can’t Breathe: How A Racial Hoax is Killing America. FREE speech and I agree 100%! BTW David was born to teachers and Communist parents in New York and now very conservative…WHY?…Freedom that’s why!!!…Prager, Levin and Shapiro feel exactly the same way!

      1. If you have evidence that Biden, Harris, Pelosi and the Joint Chiefs have committed treason, I suggest that you contact the FBI and tell them of your evidence.

              1. As I said previously:

                I’m a liberal Democrat, and I do not assume that everything in Woodward’s and Costa’s book is accurate.

                It’s one thing for Woodward to have quoted Trump in his previous book: he interviewed Trump multiple times, and Trump gave Woodward permission to tape the interviews.

                It’s something else entirely for Woodward and Costa to present “quotes” from exchanges where they were not present, especially if these quotes come from high level national security calls, where I doubt there’s even a legal way for them to have gotten a tape or transcript. So the question is: did someone illegally leak those, or are they putting things in quotation marks that are not true quotes? As for private conversations (e.g., between Milley and Pelosi), DC has single party consent, but I cannot imagine either Milley or Pelosi giving consent for it to be recorded and shared with Woodward and Costa.

                So I’m just going to be patient til more facts come out. Milley will be testifying under oath before the Senate Armed Services Committee in a week. That doesn’t require much patience.

                To be clear, if Milley said what he is quoted as saying, it is illegal, and he should be prosecuted.

            1. So Milley telling China he would tell them in advance if the US was going to attack them behind Trumps back is NOT treason then what is!!! Was Japan warned that we were going to drop 2 nuclear bombs on them? Was Hitler warned that we were going to kick his communist/Nazi butt? Let’s just tell Putin…hey dude we are going to attack you so be ready! Wars should only be fought to win…how many spy’s have been put to death for giving the enemy information. Take any battle…do you want to give the other side everything we have to beat us and kill us…don’t you think that’s not only treason but really stupid…so lets say you and I meet one on one on a battlefield but I have armor and state of the art fire power and you are in street clothes and unarmed but you may have a hidden bomb…then I would want you naked first then I would take you prisoner and let the courts do their job…but if you tried to kill me you will be dead first…that’s war!

              1. What is your evidence that the “quote” attributed to Milley is an accurate quote?

                There were multiple people on the call, and the call notes were also sent out to the Intelligence Community and interagency. Why do you believe that Milley said something treasonous but not a single person submitted a whistleblower report about it?

                1. “What is your evidence that the “quote” attributed to Milley is an accurate quote?“

                  What is your evidence that it isn’t an accurate quote or representative of Milley and the way he has acted?

                  We have taken note of the whistleblowers you supported that didn’t tell the complete truth.

                  Just look at the FBI lying to the FISA Court to note that something is very screwed up.

            2. We have evidence of wrongdoing. If we are able to look deeper, it is possible we could find elements of treason.

              You cannot prove the FBI has acted honestly in many political situations. Others are proving the FBI acted dishonestly. Consider the FBI’s lies to the FISA Court as just one of many examples.

              You have things backward.

    2. “Will JT finally write a thoughtful column discussing why we should all be concerned about the structure of SB8, in that it attempts to “evade federal judicial scrutiny by outsourcing the enforcement of unconstitutional laws to its citizenry” (quoting Justice Sotomayor), and if allowed, any state could do similarly with other unconstitutional laws?”
      *********************************
      Talk about a loaded question? (Emphasis on the loaded). And Senora Soto isn’t exactly a beacon of legal reasoning.

      1. The question was meant rhetorically. It is quite common for rhetorical questions to be loaded.

        If you object to such rhetorical questions, I can reword it as “We should all be concerned about the structure of SB8, in that it attempts to “evade federal judicial scrutiny by outsourcing the enforcement of unconstitutional laws to its citizenry” (quoting Justice Sotomayor), and if allowed, any state could do similarly with other unconstitutional laws. Will JT write about this?”

        As for your opinion about Sotomayor, we disagree, and I’d say that your claim is much more true of you than her.

        1. “The question was meant rhetorically. “

          The question was meant to deceive or lie. Doesn’t matter which. You are dishonest.

  6. Now try to tell me the US is not going down the tubes. So where did this virus come from? Some lab at MIT? Harvard? Stanford? It came from China! You can’t even blame this virus on the Muslims! So are we so far gone that we can’t say a Chinese virus? So can we say a virus made in China? NO! Can we say a virus made in Asia? NO! Would the left be happy if we said it came from outer space? YES since that’s certainly where the left came from. We live today in Rod Serling’s Twilight Zone! I think too many Darth Vaders have been elected and we just keep adding more and just change the name to Valdamort! Oh now I’m in trouble offending at least half the US population! Well come and get Harry Potter!!!

  7. As for me, it is and has been and will forever be … the CCPvirus. It emphasizes the role of the Communist Party in China and in the virus.

  8. It is surprising Professor Turley missed the obvious. Professor Atto wrote a foreword to a recently published edition of the 19th Century classic Demagoguism by Orestes Brownson.

    https://www.amazon.com/Demagoguism-Annotated-Orestes-Brownson-ebook/dp/B00715L7EU

    Brownson was a Catholic convert intellectual of the 19th Century. Great Britain’s Lord Acton wrote to a colleague about Brownson, “Intellectually, no American I have met comes near him,” and was praised by Arthur Schlesinger Jr. and Woodrow Wilson.

    That Professor Atto wrote a foreword to Brownson’s classic is enough to have the lost and the irreligious left rain fire and damnation on him with their woke clerics and fluid dogmas. Note the summary of the short book.

    It is universally conceded, that republics, especially democracies, can subsist only by means of the virtue and intelligence of the people; but it does not appear to have been very generally considered, that democra­cies, or popular forms of government, which, through suffrage and eligibility, admit the great mass of the population to a share in the administration, have a strong tendency to counteract the very virtues on which their permanence and utility depend.

    Our political history, we think, demonstrates this latter position, beyond the reach of cavil or doubt, to all who have accustomed themselves to look a little below the surface of things. Here, in this matter, the boasted maxim of political economy, that demand creates a supply, does not hold good. Looking at what we were in the beginning, and at what we now are, it may well be doubted, whether another country in Chris­tendom has so rapidly declined as we have, in the stern and rigid virtues, in the high-toned and manly principles of conduct, essential to the stability and wise adminis­tration of popular government.

    http://orestesbrownson.org/273.html

  9. While it is widely viewed as racially insensitive and inflammatory,
    I personally do not use the term because it is viewed as offensive by many

    It does not offend hardly anyone. As you accurately recount, naming viral events by their origins, has been happening for centuries. It is clear and concise, communicates with no chance of misinterpretation.
    Why this is different, because the renaming was used as a political cudgel. This shift of priorities, was led by Government bureaucrats. Desperate to exercise power, and solidify their bone fides, they force minutia, in an appearance of having control.

    It is a useful tool to prove the axiom. ‘TO LEARN WHO RULES OVER YOU, SIMPLY FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE’

    Congratulations Prof Turely. You have voluntarily ceded your independence to the Communist Chinese.

    1. Iowan2 says:

      “Congratulations Prof Turely. You have voluntarily ceded your independence to the Communist Chinese.”

      So much for Turley’s faith in good speech to remedy bad speech. It doesn’t work against hatefulness. Perhaps that explains why Turley does not bother to respond to comments on this blog. His responses would be a waste of his time.

    2. If you actually paid attention to his writings, you’d find that Turley has no problem criticizing the Chinese Communist Party.

      1. You leftist don’t get it.

        Will are not loosing freedoms. We are willingly abandoning them. The worst part, over the silliness propagated by shallow leftist to appease the Chinese.

        There is no offense. Only a shrewd use of opportunity of make population march to there orders.

        1. You don’t get it. You falsely claimed “Congratulations Prof Turely. You have voluntarily ceded your independence to the Communist Chinese.” I’m pointing out to you that he hasn’t done any such thing.

          1. By appeasing the Chinese, by voluntarily self censoring. Its called the hecklers veto. The bad actors attain their goal, by others voluntarily sacrificing their rights and freedoms.
            There is no other explanations. The term was never offensive. Only when the Chinese were cornered and needed to change the narrative did Chinese flu suddenly abuse sensitive leftist giddy with the new found cudgel used to divide communities.

            1. Again: Turley criticizes the CCP. You can’t ignore that criticism in deciding whether he is “appeasing the Chinese.”

            2. Glen Bolger of Public Opinion Strategies told The Washington Examiner that Democrats have the potential to lose 41 House seats, which is 34 more than needed for Republicans to retake the majority. Hey libs YOU in BIG trouble one year from now!

              1. I suspect Democrats are fully aware of what’s at stake if the states run free and fair elections. That being said, they have not taken their foot of the gas. That means they aren’t concerned about the next election. The question is why?

                1. Olly says:

                  “I suspect Democrats are fully aware of what’s at stake if the states run free and fair elections.”

                  Again with the Big Lie! You Trumpists will NEVER stop lying that the election was stolen/rigged, will you?

                  Even if Fox News and the Trump attorneys are found civilly liable for defaming Smartmatic and Dominion with their reckless false conspiracy theories, you Trumpists will go to your graves insisting that Trump was robbed of a second term?

                2. Behind closed doors the left just laughs at us. They laugh because they have proven they can steal an election, control the country, all businesses and the money supply! We have to analyze what happened, how it happened, and steal the country back. It will not be easy! The left controls all social media, almost all TV media, almost all print media, all education. all Hollywood, all banks through the Fed, all military, law enforcement, all big corporations, all jobs, all RINO’s, etc. It will be a massive uphill challenge! We will see what happens in November 2022.

                  1. We have to analyze what happened, how it happened, and steal the country back. It will not be easy!

                    Agreed. And we have to come to grips with what we have to work with. This is a lengthy article but well worth the read.

                    So our topic today, in the context of the US, is this: What if the greatest political trend of the past two hundred years, namely the centralization of state power, reverses in the twenty-first century? What if this century is not about ideology, but about separation and location? And what if covid has dramatically laid bare this possibility?

                    Empires desperately fear losing control over their provinces, and exactly that appears to be happening in the US. Those of us on the anti-interventionist right sometimes forget that DC is very much an imperial power with respect to the fifty states, not just in the Middle East. So any discussion of soft secession and its prospects in the US begins with identifying domestic pushback against this empire. And contra the self-styled progressive saviors, any political arrangement which denies people the right to walk away peacefully is not liberal by definition.

                    What do we mean by soft secession versus hard secession? It is something more than de facto versus de jure, because everything about American laws and political norms already became blurred over the past century. De facto violations of constitutional provisions, for example, become de jure over time, by operation of federal regulations or the terrible Supreme Court. Garet Garrett’s 1944 essay “The Revolution Was” explains this as a “revolution within the form.” Everything ostensibly remained the same: a constitution, fifty states, three “branches” of government. The country was overthrown a hundred years ago—beginning with Woodrow Wilson and reaching full form in FDR’s New Deal. But America’s second revolution was managerial, a seizing of jurisdiction over every aspect of life by a centralized federal bureaucracy.

                    So by soft secession we mean a counterrevolution within the form: aggressive federalism, regionalism, localism, and an aggressive subsidiarity principle, operating in de facto opposition to the federal state—or at least sidestepping it. Sometimes it takes the form of direct nullification or flouting of federal edicts, which it turns out are fairly hard to enforce without the support of local populations. Biden’s vaccine mandates will be an instructive test of this; several governors already filed suits. Or it can take the form of legal grey areas, as we’ve seen with more “liberal” US states in their approach to immigration sanctuaries and marijuana laws.
                    https://mises.org/wire/prospects-soft-secession-america

                    1. This task of gratitude to our fathers, justice to ourselves, duty to posterity, and love for our species in general, all imperatively require us faithfully to perform.

                      How then shall we perform it?–At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?– Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!–All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

                      At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

                      I hope I am over wary; but if I am not, there is, even now, something of ill-omen, amongst us. I mean the increasing disregard for law which pervades the country; the growing disposition to substitute the wild and furious passions, in lieu of the sober judgment of Courts; and the worse than savage mobs, for the executive ministers of justice. This disposition is awfully fearful in any community; and that it now exists in ours, though grating to our feelings to admit, it would be a violation of truth, and an insult to our intelligence, to deny. Accounts of outrages committed by mobs, form the every-day news of the times. They have pervaded the country, from New England to Louisiana;–they are neither peculiar to the eternal snows of the former, nor the burning suns of the latter;–they are not the creature of climate– neither are they confined to the slave-holding, or the non-slave- holding States. Alike, they spring up among the pleasure hunting masters of Southern slaves, and the order loving citizens of the land of steady habits.–Whatever, then, their cause may be, it is common to the whole country.

                      Abraham Lincoln
                      Lyceum address

                      http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/lyceum.htm

                  2. Behind closed doors the left just laughs at us.

                    I disagree. They are hemorrhaging support (see Biden’s approval numbers) and they are defensive on most cultural war topics. e.g. CBS’s Gayle King stated what every American is thinking

                    Did the Left rig the election? Of course they did but they always do. You can tell how true an argument is with the morally bereft by the degree of apoplexy and histrionics they use in denouncing their critics. Their is nothing good, honorable, noble about these people. They are the enemy that Abraham Lincoln warned us. Our answer is to fight like our freedoms depend on them. Sadly few Americans are fit for such an encounter.

                    “We’re still getting hammered for how the withdrawal from Afghanistan happened. Everybody knows, many people believe it was time. It’s just the way that it was done … That’s not a good look. You look at what’s happening with immigration. You look at France now saying that they’ve been betrayed by the United States. So I get that we have to look forward. But what are we doing to justify or explain what appears to be very bad behavior on our part?”

                    1. A group of Republican congressmen on Tuesday filed articles of impeachment against President Joe Biden over his handling of the border, his surrender to the Taliban in Afghanistan and the eviction moratorium that he said himself might be unconstitutional.

                      So there’s that.

                    2. Olly says:

                      “A group of Republican congressmen on Tuesday filed articles of impeachment against President Joe Biden over his handling of the border, his surrender to the Taliban in Afghanistan and the eviction moratorium that he said himself might be unconstitutional.”

                      When Turley shoots down that Impeachment, you Trumpists will turn on him- just as I had predicted. Turley may not comment upon it, however, being that it is so ludicrous.

                    3. Olly,

                      Let’s hope Turley will ridicule these Trumpist Articles of Impeachment, but I’m afraid he will not waste his time on them since they are too ludicrous. The fact that you would take them seriously just shows how advanced your condition is….

                    4. “I disagree. They are hemorrhaging support “

                      Estovir, do you believe Castro policies didn’t hemorrhage support? Yet Castro remained in power for around 50 years and that power was transferred on his death.

                      Many dictators hemorrhage support while the populace suffers under them.

                      Power replaces a lot of the assumed needed support.

                    5. Estovir,

                      Good comment, and I also liked your other comment in which you quoted from the Lancet article. The quote and your addition should be read at least once by every STEM student. No point in even bothering with the Studies people.

                      I saw that the loathsome Squad in Congress managed to remove funding for Israel’s Iron Dome defense system. This is another instance where the left is driving the world closer to a disaster.

                      Iron Dome protects Israel from missile attacks, particularly those coming from Gaza. Take that down and one of the remaining alternatives is for Israel to roll tanks and troops into Gaza and destroy that murderous society once and for all. But that increases the chances of a regional war.

                      Biden is favoring Iran’s nuclear ambitions again and without the restraints on Iran that Trump tried to manage Israel may have to go it alone with a preemptive strike. Probably some of the Arab countries will discretely help with that because they fear Iran too. But Biden’s stupidity again edges the world closer to war.

                      Much the same can be said about China and the rest of the Far East. China’s saber shaking and incursions and threats are compelling other countries to increase war budgets and coordination and defense pacts with each other. Nobody can trust Biden to help. Germany did that before WWI and created improbable alliances between England and France and Russia, etc, laying the fuse waiting to be lit.

                      It has been awhile since civilization has been pushed this close to the edge and nobody in this Administration is helping or likely to help.

                    6. Estovir warns:

                      “Our answer is to fight like our freedoms depend on them. Sadly few Americans are fit for such an encounter.”

                      You are essentially declaring a Holy War. By “fit,” what you are implying but unwilling to say out loud is “willing to kill.”

                    7. This is no longer a debate. I am leaving and unsubscribing…when you feel you life may be in danger it’s time to move on folks.

                    8. You are essentially declaring a Holy War. By “fit,” what you are implying but unwilling to say out loud is “willing to kill.”

                      Damn Silberman, you’re losing it. There would be many meanings for the word “fit.” You for instance would be intellectually and all around mentally unfit. As for killing, the best book on the subject is a book titled, On Killing. You’d be surprised to discover how few people untrained or trained are willing to kill.

                    9. Olly says:

                      “As for killing, the best book on the subject is a book titled, On Killing. You’d be surprised to discover how few people untrained or trained are willing to kill.”

                      I’m sure you have read “On Killing,” several times and have underlined the “best” parts. No doubt, you are trained to kill and have no compunction to do so.

                      Be proud to admit it!

                    10. No doubt, you are trained to kill and have no compunction to do so.

                      Be proud to admit it!

                      I have been trained to kill. Sagire Classis Destructum Damn proud of it.

                    11. Olly,

                      To tell the truth, your involvement was not hard to discern! You positively reek of being a member of the Militiaman movement. Do you train every weekend?

                  3. Hjf says:

                    “Behind closed doors the left just laughs at us.”

                    That’s not true. Often the Left can’t contain their laughs before getting behind a closed door. For instance, when Trump lied through his press secretary that his inauguration crowd was the largest EVER. Guffaws in the press room were clearly audible.

                    Trumpist lies are often so preposterous that it is impossible not to laugh out loud. Stop your lying, Hjf!

                  4. Olly Damn Silberman, you’re losing it. There would be many meanings for the word “fit.”

                    I believe I am the only person on this forum who consistently discusses evolutionary principles such as fitness.Those who are fit, survive. The principle of fitness and survival arent new ideas unless if you loathe science like Silberman. Then there is intellectual lack of fitness which you rightly mentioned

                    See

                    Unfit to Serve: Obesity is Impacting National Security
                    https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/downloads/unfit-to-serve.pdf

                    1. I believe I am the only person on this forum who consistently discusses evolutionary principles such as fitness.Those who are fit, survive.

                      I look at fitness and survival through the lens of natural rights. I believe our beliefs are complimentary.

                    2. I look at fitness purely as numbers. If you have the set most likely to survive in a given set of conditions you will pass that set on in preference to other sets.

                    3. Young says:

                      “I look at fitness purely as numbers. If you have the set most likely to survive in a given set of conditions you will pass that set on in preference to other sets.”

                      You believe in Evilution?

                    4. Estovir claims:

                      “Unfit to Serve: Obesity is Impacting National Security.”

                      Nice deflection. We know *exactly* what you alluded to by “fit.”

                    5. We know *exactly* what you alluded to by “fit.”

                      Your schizophrenia is showing. And no, claiming JT as your BFF doesn’t count as we.

                    6. Olly says:

                      “And no, claiming JT as your BFF doesn’t count as we.”

                      I don’t claim Turley as my BFF. I just claim he is not a Trumpist because he will not lie for Trump. Rather, he calls out Trump’s lies.

                      That is all.

                3. The likely reason for their rush is fairly simple – If they can’t get done before Jan 2023 they won’t get it done for the foreseeable future, but if they do get it done by then the GOP won’t be able to undo it with Biden still holding veto power over GOP efforts to reverse them.

  10. Do those same activists ever buy a Chinese Carry Out, or go to Mexican Restaurants, imbibe German Beer, eat French Bread, listen to Italian Opera…..or is their ire focused upon those they dislike for some reason?

    What a load of crap the Left continues to dump on American Society…..or can we not use the word American anymore?

  11. Why is it considered racially insensitive? If this virus originated in the US, would it be racially insensitive to call it the American virus? Italy? Australia? Ethiopia?

    No, of course not. But free speech is apparently one of a few human rights the Left is willing to give up for climate change. Check out what Pelosi said was less important than working with China on climate change:

    So human rights, security, economically. Having said all of that,” Pelosi continued, noting she has relations with China, “We have to work together on climate. Climate is an overriding issue and China is the leading emitter in the world, U.S. too, developed world too, but we must work together. So we have to have a level of communication on whether it’s COVID-19, whether it’s terrorism, whether it’s climate. We still have to have some communication and dialogue with China on that.

    What a peach.

    1. Olly,

      “ Why is it considered racially insensitive? If this virus originated in the US, would it be racially insensitive to call it the American virus? Italy? Australia? Ethiopia?”

      The Spanish flu originated in Kansas not Spain. Shouldn’t we update it to calling it the Kansas flu?

      You have Dengue fever, Ebola, Zika, etc. all are named where they were found.

      I think the reason why there’s a refrain from calling it the China flu or the Wuhan flu is because those wanting to call it that have racist intentions behind it. Evidence of that comes from the fact that violence against Asians here in America is due to calling it the China virus or Wuhan. Calling it Covid removes the incentive for racists to use it as an excuse to accuse Asians as the culprits for the ongoing problems.

      1. Svelaz,

        Trumpists gonna hate. If Turley can’t convince them to take the moral high road, they sure as Hell aren’t going to be persuaded by us!

        Despite our differences with Turley, he shares our Liberal values, not those of Trumpists!

      2. I think the reason why there’s a refrain from calling it the China flu or the Wuhan flu is because those wanting to call it that have racist intentions behind it. Evidence of that comes from the fact that violence against Asians here in America is due to calling it the China virus or Wuhan.

        Of course in a systemically racist country of 350 million, millions of Asians would be assaulted and killed. No, that racist flag won’t fly. What’s more likely is people refer to it as the Wuhan or Chinese virus is because it originated there. They could call it the NIH or Fauci-funded Wuhan China virus.

        What is even more likely as to opposition from the Democrats for calling this the Chinese virus is the Democrats pandering to the CCP. Nancy Pelosi just laid it all bare when speaking at Cambridge University. If she’s willing to ignore these ongoing human rights abuses by China, then she is more than willing to run cover for the gain of function pandemic they released onto world.

        We’ve always felt connected to China, but with their military aggression in the South China Sea, with their continuation of genocide with the Uyghurs in Xinjiang province there, with their violation of the cultural, linguistic, religious priority of Tibet, with their suppression of democracy in Hong Kong and other parts of China, as well,” Pelosi said. “They’re just getting worse in terms of suppression and freedom of speech. So, human rights, security, economically.

        Now, let’s see Silberman blather on about the moral high ground and liberal values. Perhaps he thinks his self-created BFF Turley agrees with Pelosi.

        1. Olly,

          “ Of course in a systemically racist country of 350 million, millions of Asians would be assaulted and killed. ”

          Despot your hyperbole on the violence against Asians. It is accurate to state the reason why those calling it the China virus or the Wuhan virus has racist intentions.

          Asians HAVE been assaulted and accosted because of it. Not by the millions, but enough to be significant. Given the racist nature of this country’s reactions to such problems it’s not surprising.

            1. Olly, Svelaz isn’t a credible person. He doesn’t know the difference between fact and opinion. Making things up is what he does. I don’t believe calling Covid the Wuhan Flu causes significant problems. There are other, much better, reasons for people to be angry at the Chinese. Then Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats can say distrust was caused by the Wuhan Flu.

              Democrats love the Chinese. Swalwell even loved a Chinese spy intimately while Feinstein’s driver was also a Chinese spy. Now we listen to allegations about Milley, and it should be clear that if you don’t literally love the Chinese you must hate them because of the Wuhan Flu. These arguments are pure stupidity. People are rightfully angry at the Chinese, CCP, because of what they have done and what they are threatening to do.

              1. Given what the Democrats are doing to this country, I doubt they love the “Chinese,” but rather they love the power the CCP wields. What is euphemistically described as the deep state is what the CCP does openly. Democrats have turned the 4th estate into their propaganda arm. They control education. They have “control” of big tech. They have the entertainment industry. They have professional sports. They have big pharma. They have pharmacies refusing to fill legitimate prescriptions. They are getting control of doctors and nurses. The last domino to fall was the military. Constitutional checks and balances? Ha! SCOTUS ruled Biden had to go back to some form of the Stay in Mexico program. He is flagrantly defying that order. We’ve gone from impeaching a president for nothing, to not impeaching a president for something.

                Abraham Lincoln was a very wise man. This is from 1838:

                From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. No, if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men, we will live forever or die by suicide.

                1. Olly says:

                  “Democrats have turned the 4th estate into their propaganda arm. They control education. They have “control” of big tech. They have the entertainment industry. They have professional sports. They have big pharma. They have pharmacies refusing to fill legitimate prescriptions. They are getting control of doctors and nurses. The last domino to fall was the military.”

                  What do you Trumpists intend to do about it? The Big Lie hasn’t worked.

                  Time to think about building camps for the intelligentsia/elitists who will NEVER cease calling you “LIARS” thereby negating your longed-for turnabout?

                  1. The Big Lie hasn’t worked.

                    Not so fast. Durham’s indictment parade has only just begun.

                    By the way, your sarcasm won’t hide your non-denial. Ask your buddy JT if you can pretty please log some time on the left half of your shared brain.

                    1. Olly says:

                      “Not so fast. Durham’s indictment parade has only just begun.”

                      Oh? Haven’t you heard? People are saying that the Durham investigation is a WITCH HUNT!

                  2. American Marxist / Nazi calls others liars? Where is the content in his remarks? Always missing. Same song over and over again.

      3. “The Spanish flu originated in Kansas not Spain. “

        Svelaz, you always want to portray that you are more knowledgeable than you are. You make statements of “certainty” when they aren’t certain at all and more frequently are erroneous or foolish.

        “It has never been clear, however, where this pandemic began. “…

        “Some medical historians and epidemiologists have theorized that the 1918 pandemic began in Asia, citing a lethal outbreak of pulmonary disease in China as the forerunner of the pandemic. Others have speculated the virus was spread by Chinese or Vietnamese laborers either crossing the United States or working in France.

        More recently, British scientist J.S. Oxford has hypothesized that the 1918 pandemic originated in a British Army post in France, where a disease British physicians called “purulent bronchitis” erupted in 1916. Autopsy reports of soldiers killed by this outbreak – today we would classify the cause of death as ARDS – bear a striking resemblance to those killed by influenza in 1918 [2].”

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC340389/

        SM

        1. Sm,

          Theories and hypothesis are not certainties that can pinpoint the origin of the Spanish flu.

          It’s still accurate to this day that it originated in Kansas. It’s common knowledge to historians and it’s part of our own historical record.

          You should learn the meaning of theory and hypothesis.

          1. “Theories and hypothesis are not certainties that can pinpoint the origin of the Spanish flu.”

            Your statement that follows was not presented as a theory or hypothesis.

            “The Spanish flu originated in Kansas not Spain.”

            It was presented as a fact. You don’t know the difference between theories and facts or opinions and facts. That is why most of the time when you provide facts you are WRONG. Then you try to weasel out like you did this time

            You are not credible and that is due to your own lack of judgement.

            SM

            1. Most flu originates in Asia, I believe. It is likely Spanish Flu came from there as well. The Allies used Chinese workers for a lot of non-combat work and a least one trainload of those workers crossed Canada, West to East on a train, providing plenty of opportunities for the virus to spread in the Americas. Once here it is not surprising that it would be noticed where a lot of people are packed into close quarters under military discipline, as was the case in Fr. Riley. It seems likely that the Spanish Flu originated in China.

            2. Sm,

              “ Your statement that follows was not presented as a theory or hypothesis.

              “The Spanish flu originated in Kansas not Spain.”

              It was presented as a fact.”

              That’s because it is. Until there is a verifiable claim that it didn’t originate in Kansas then it wouldn’t be a fact.

              YOU on the other hand presented theories and hypothesis as explanations of why the origins of the Spanish flu are false. Problem is a theory is a best guess not actually proof that the current fact the Spanish flu originated in Kansas.

              Your argument is pointless to say the least.

              1. “That’s because it is. Until there is a verifiable claim that it didn’t originate in Kansas then it wouldn’t be a fact.”

                You make no sense. One could choose any location and according to you. Unless there is a verifiable claim it didn’t originate in that location, it did. That is not logical or correct.

  12. So, what do we do with:

    The “German” measles?
    The “Spanish” flu?
    The “West Nile” Virus?
    “Rocky Mountain” Spotted Fever?
    Lyme’s (named after Lyme Connecticut) Disease?

    We’d better never see those terms in a syllabus….!

    It’s all political because Orange-Man bad (no problem mocking Trump) dared to call it the China Virus. Now, the “Children-in-charge” are compelled to do the exact opposite….

    This is insane.

    1. You have hit the nail on the head. The reason it “offends” is because Trump used the term. Granted, he used it to deflect criticism from himself, but nevertheless, that’s the origin of the politicization of this pandemic. Now, if one uses the term, one is considered a Trumpist. That’s the real reason this professor is getting attacked by the “woke” mob.

    2. Historically speaking, a given disease has been named after the geo-physical location of its discovery, as you point out.
      To add, Ebola, Zika.
      I think calling it the Wuhan Virus would not be outside the norm.
      But then people went what once was normal, and politicized it, from both sides.

      Although, as Tony points out, I think a good alternative would be the “Fauci Flu.”

  13. We have to get our country on the right track again. The barring of freedom of speech and expression is out of control.

  14. Another cancel culture “gotcha”.

    Bullies who want to control lives and are willing to destroy those who don’t submit.

    I personally like and use “Wuhan Wheezer”, but I am sheltered.

    I push back on the Fascists; up to each person if they accept the tyranny of Lefty culture.

    1. Monument true to form says:

      “I personally like and use “Wuhan Wheezer”, but I am sheltered.”

      Notwithstanding Turley’s noting that the use of “Wuhan virus” is widely viewed as “racially insensitive and inflammatory,” Trumpists are utterly uncaring what others may think.

      Turley’s good speech has been futile to moderate the hearts and minds of Trumpists.

      1. Jeffrey Slivermyn is Jack in Brokeback “I wish I knew how to quit you” Mountain film. He likely needs Cognitive Behavioral Therapy to address his codependency – Daddy issues

        😜

          1. Jeff should use Spanishfly so that be will be more loving after using it. The video says it works for both sexes. Seems to work for Natacha. Or does she use a garlic necklace?

            😉

          2. Olly says:

            “He’s a bit schizophrenic. He goes from attacking JT to claiming JT as his ideological twin. It’s actually very pathetic.”

            I have always said that Turley, like me, is a Never Trumper. My only complaint with him is his working for Fox News and ignoring worse “advocacy journalism” at his network which he rightly criticizes at others. A hypocrite he is, a Trumpist he is not.

            1. That’s precious. You believe you and JT share a brain. Unfortunately, while he freely uses the right half when he pleases, he has blocked you from using the left. Your feelings are noted.

            2. Turley is on the left side of the aisle so he votes Democrat or at least he did until he saw what voting Democrat means; Failure in Afghanistan, Failure at the border, Failure of his Covid policy, Failure as a father, Failure as an honest man, likely failure of his economic policy, Failure to unite the country, Failure to pass a mental competency test, etc.

              Turley could not be a good example of a Never Trumper, but Jeff, you don’t get anything right.

            3. Hi Jeff,

              Given your frequent comments about the Dominion and Smartmatic suits, I thought this article might interest you:
              “Trump Campaign Knew Lawyers’ Voting Machine Claims Were Baseless, Memo Shows
              “Days before lawyers allied with Donald Trump gave a news conference promoting election conspiracy theories, his campaign had determined that many of those claims were false, court filings reveal.”
              https://web.archive.org/web/20210921182030/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/21/us/politics/trump-dominion-voting.html

              1. Anonymous,

                I saw that report. Thanks for the heads up. I thought about linking to it in one of my comments, but you know, as well as I do, that Trumpists will call it “fake news.”

                Trumpists have lied about the election for so long that NOW to admit that they no longer accept the Big Lie is an admission that they have lied all along.

                No one wants to admit that they are a liar. There is nothing worse. So Trumpists will continue to lie no matter what. They will NEVER give Never Trumpers the satisfaction of being right.

                Trump is a conman. You may recall his Birtherism lie. Did he finally admit that he had lied all along? Not at all. He simply stated that he would stop talking about it. The first rule of a confidence man is never admit that you have lied. NEVER! Once you do, you are finished….

                1. “You may recall his Birtherism lie.”

                  “Birtherism” was birthed by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Are you calling Hillary and all those Democrats liars and Conmen?

              2. One should read the article and find how meaningless it is, especially the headline. It should be highly liked by Jeff and ATS because both are contentless. When I saw the headline this morning I was thinking of posting it and part of the article to demonstrate what a lousy paper the NYTimes is.

      2. JS

        Others have listed all the diseases named after geography.

        Why is this one different?

        Because the Chinese fought so hard to deny any responsibility for propagating the disease.

        And Lefties like you dance to the Chinese music while claiming political correctness.

        Are you so fragile that Wuhan Wheezer hurts you.

        Doubt it; this demand that the rest of us conform is just virtue signaling.

        We hear you JS, you are virtuous.

        1. Monument says:

          “We hear you JS, you are virtuous.”

          You underscore my point that Turley and I are unlike you Trumpists. We are not virtuous; just decent.

            1. Typical JS..the words are synonyms…see Jeff looks down on anyone who disagrees with him…corrects them from his lofty position…if you challenge him you are just an uneducated person of very low moral character…JS does not know I was called a mensch by some very close friends…Yiddish for a very good person…Jeff would call me a goy!…my Jewish friends say never let anyone call you a goy…that word is derogatory and demeaning…that means they really dislike anyone who is NOT a Jew!…welcome to JS’s world.

              1. Hjf,

                No Trumpist is a mensch. Were Turley to depart Fox News, he WOULD be a mensch! His children are nonetheless Jewish because his wife is a Jew.

                1. Here is how you shut up all far left progressives…folks watch this…JS I am going to start a GoFundMe site…my wife has 4 cancers…we have been kicked out of our apartment and living in our truck…no gas to travel and soon the truck will be repossessed in a week or so…YOU and JT and all your lib friends send us enough money to survive the rest of our lives…say 3 million dollars and you have 1 week to raise the cash…GGGGGGOOOOO!!!! or you can use PayPal, Venmo, WhatsApp, etc…you can even send it in Bitcoin or gold or some rare painting or NFT worth 3 million…come on JS…your the mensch or are you a schmuck!!! HHHHAAAA!!!

                  1. Hjf,

                    You know how to lie and scam good people out of their hard-earned money. Trump University was shutdown as well as Trump’s Charitable Foundation. Your GoFundMe is no different; you are a lying Trumpist alright. Mazel Tov!

                    1. Sure worked for George Floyd’s family, let’s see 50 million dollars worth of lies and scams! I’m only asking for 3 million, seems like a bargain JS.

        2. Monumentcolorado,

          “ Others have listed all the diseases named after geography.

          Why is this one different?”

          This is different because it’s being intentionally used to demagogue a group of people. Racists are deliberately using it to pin the blame on people who are Asians, hence all the violent attacks on them since the pandemic started.

          It would have been fine using it if there was no clear racist intent behind it. Unfortunately former president Trump used it with the intention of currying favor with his racist supporters.

          Because of the violence against Asians grew the term COVID devalued the racist intent behind calling it “the China virus or the Wuhan virus.”

          1. Svelaz says:

            “It would have been fine using it if there was no clear racist intent behind it. Unfortunately former president Trump used it with the intention of currying favor with his racist supporters.”

            That is why Turley refrains from using the term. Trumpists are bullies. Turley is a gentleman.

      3. Jeff, I guess this is going to put me in your ” Trumpist” category. A position from which I thought I was pardoned. I really don’t care what others think. I never have. This attitude has been in effect far before Trump. And by that I mean I don’t make decisions because I am afraid of ” blowback”. Now, there are certain pejoratives that I would never use. Not because I am afraid of repercussions ,but because they are disrespectful. And if I expect respect, I need to show it to others. But respect is not automatically given. It needs to be earned.
        I am of Italian decent. And my wife who is not of Italian decent, has a favorite part in the film ” The Godfather”. It is the part where Jack Woltz says to Tom Hagen and I am paraphrasing” You tell Vito Corleone I don’t care how many Dago, Ginni , greaseball WOPS come out of the woodwork”. I take no offense. As a matter of fact I laugh.
        As stated before, this country is being ” pussyfied”. Again, If you need a ” safe space” because my ” microaggression” “triggered” you, get professional psychiatric help.
        I was taught to never be a victim. Now victimhood is to be embraced. It is always someone else’s fault. No personal responsibility.
        And I refer to the Virus as Covid. But in my opinion, It came from the lab in Wuhan.

        1. Paul,

          I hope we find out where the virus originated despite China’s apparent limited cooperation

          I agree that there are those on the Left who go too far in advocating “sensitivity training” and claiming “micro-aggressions.” On the other hand, there are those on the Right who are just plain pig-headed.

          Turley seems to strike a good balance- he will defend your right to be a bigot, but he advises not to be one for the sake of being a gracious person.

          1. A MD psychiatrist just said the USA is in a COVID psychosis…fine with me…we all have some psychosis…I loved Groucho Marx who said marriage is a very good institution…I just don’t want to be in an institution…the left wants all us conservatives in one…or they want us to just be a good boy and drink the poison drug.

            1. Hjf1949 says:

              “they want us to just be a good boy and drink the poison drug.”

              Please get vaccinated for your own sake if not for anyone else’s. Turley did not hesitate. Since you respect his judgment, follow his good example.

              1. I make my own decisions based on my own research. I am in control of my health, not you or anyone else. And my health history is private. That’s the LAW! I will never let the government tell me what to do!

                1. Hjf proclaims:

                  “I will never let the government tell me what to do!”

                  You are a goddamn anarchist. A member of the Sovereign Citizen movement.

                  1. JS really does have some serious anger issues. I can handle it…it’s just words on a page…just trying to be a bully…see bullies never meet you in person…to afraid of the outcome…I just feel very sorry for his family…I can’t even imagine what fear they must have of him. I expect verbal and physical abuse both is in play in that household.

                  2. This is on Turley…violent outbursts should not be tolerated on any website…free speech aside…JS should be removed from this discussion before something bad happens…he is not mentally stable.

                    1. Nah. JT believes it’s better to confront bad speech with better speech. You’ve accomplished that quite well. Silberman doesn’t believe in God, so his choice of curse words is likely Tourette’s related. He also doesn’t believe you have any rights that don’t come from government. That would also explain his outburst. Next, he will assert you’re a trumpist and that his bff JT doesn’t like trumpists. He might even want to know how young you are, like he asked me. IN fairness, that might have been an accidental question he meant to post on his favorite dating app.

                      Keep up the good work.

                    2. Olly says:

                      “He might even want to know how young you are, like he asked me. IN fairness, that might have been an accidental question he meant to post on his favorite dating app.”

                      That’s fairly humorous which is why I allow myself to engage you unlike most of the dullards on this site. You are still as maligned as any lying Trumpist, but at least you have some wit.

                      I compliment sir.

                    3. Hjf says:

                      “This is on Turley…violent outbursts should not be tolerated on any website…free speech aside…JS should be removed from this discussion before something bad happens…he is not mentally stable.”

                      “Free speech aside.” That’s a scream! You would have failed Turley’s class if you ever had written that statement on one of your essays.

                      Free speech can NEVER be placed “aside,” you idiot. How could you ever come to that conclusion after having read Turley’s columns? It’s the WHOLE point!

                      Not even your fellow Trumpists will defend your call to have me cancelled from this blog on account of my having triggered you.

                      Res Ipsa Loquitur is not a Safe Zone for Trumpists.

            1. Paul,

              You say that you agree with me publicly? You really must not care what people think of you! I respect your courage.

              1. Thanks Jeff. I have also vehemently disagreed with you publicly. My goal is to never be a hypocrite. Unlike many, and I am including ex Presidents along with our current one, I thing being able to say ” I am wrong, I am sorry” is a strength, not a weakness After all, non of us is infallible. Because of that mantra, I am able to make declarations without other peoples feelings being hurt as part of the equation.

  15. It’s wonderfully refreshing, unfortunately rare, to see a faculty member/chairman take a principled stand for a colleague being attacked by the cancel mob.

  16. This song was being sung by a New York student on Delta Airline flight from NY to LA:
    “You’re a Chink, you’re a Chink.
    You’re a Chink all the way.
    From your first Wuhan virus to your time in LA!
    We don’t need no friggin virus
    We don’t need no thought control.
    Tell the leftists to leave here.
    And go off to Rome!”

  17. Turley says:

    “I personally do not use the term because it is viewed as offensive by many and Covid-19 is now commonly used.”

    If only your Trumpist followers were as good-natured and considerate of the feelings of others as you are.

    It’s too bad that they will not follow your good example.

    1. Personally I could not care less about people’s feels but “Chinese Virus” is both inaccurate and not very descriptive. If we are keeping with previous naming SARS-CoV19-Wuhan would be most accurate.

    2. Careful JeffSilberman … you’re hurting an awful lot of peoples’ feelings by your nasty comments. Oh, I get it — some people just don’t matter. Fire away!

      1. Giovon1,

        On this matter, I’m standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Turley. I’ll gladly defend him against your Trumpist attacks.

        1. “I’m standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Turley. ”

          I guess that means that Turley feels the need to take a shower.

          1. George Orwell and Aldous Huxley warned of the evils of communism in the pages of 1984 and Brave New World; however, Arthur Koestler’s Darkness at Noon is a lesser-known but impactful novel that describes the horrors of the Stalinist USSR. Michael Knowles and Brad Thompson take you through this powerful literary work. JS can’t wait for Communism and obviously has not read these books.

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