Below is my column in the Hill on the campaign to sack Attorney General Merrick Garland over his failure to prosecute former President Donald Trump. Political strategist Cheri Jacobus posted on Twitter that “It’s time for a group of respected, experienced, influential legal eagles to sign a letter to President Biden demanding the firing of Merrick Garland. It has to happen, and this can give Biden some political cover. The status quo cannot stand.”
It is Garland’s Luca Brasi moment delivered by some of the same figures on the left who pushed to Pack the Court.
Here is the column:
Attorney General Merrick Garland just got his fish in the mail. In the mob, there is no clearer message that your days are numbered than a newspaper-wrapped fish left at your doorstep. The message left for Garland in various newspapers this week was equally clear: Either prosecute Trump or sleep with the fishes.
Garland may be legitimately confused. Just last year, commentators like the Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin celebrated the confirmation of Garland for his pledge “to keep the department free of political interference.” Now, many of these same figures, including Rubin, are declaring Garland unfit for office and calling for him to be canned.
On CNN Sunday, Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) declared that “Merrick Garland is failing the United States of America” by failing to prosecute Trump. Rep. Elaine Luria (D-Va.) on Monday evening told Garland to just “do your job” and get on with prosecutions of Trump associates. Luria emphasized “The Department of Justice … needs to move swiftly.”
It appears time — not ethics — is the priority.
As one columnist declared, Democrats are “nearly out of time” before the midterm elections and the possible loss of Congress.
Perhaps the clearest signal came from his boss, President Joe Biden. This week, The New York Times ran a leaked account of how Biden was telling people that he wants Trump prosecuted. The Times reported the president wants “Mr. Garland to act less like a ponderous judge and more like a prosecutor who is willing to take decisive action over the events of Jan. 6.”
Many of these figures, including President Biden, spent four years criticizing Trump for threatening and pressuring his attorneys general, from Jeff Sessions to Bill Barr. I joined in that criticism. To their credit, Sessions and Barr stood firmly against such pressure and protected the independence of the Department.
Of course, by leaking Biden’s comments, Biden did not have to say it to Garland directly; instead, the media delivered the message to Garland: Get moving or get out.
Ironically, some of us have criticized Garland for his inexplicable refusal to appoint a special counsel in the Hunter Biden scandal and his responsiveness to prior White House demands. However, that is not enough for his critics: Trump remains the only measure of his devotion.
It is a familiar pattern. When the Supreme Court failed to rule in the way some liberals demanded, their response was to call for packing a new Court with an instant liberal majority. When Garland was seen as hesitating to prosecute Trump, the response was to replace him with a new attorney general.
As with the “Pack the Court” campaign, there is now a “Sack the AG” campaign. Indeed, activists and others are calling on the same legal experts to offer cover for this unethical effort.
Former MSNBC host Keith Olbermann put it plainly: “Where is the president who will fire this wooden statue we call Merrick Garland? … We need somebody in your chair who realizes that democracy could be dead a year from right now. We want that to be you. But if it isn’t, the rest of us don’t have any more time to wait, or to waste.”
Rubin wrote to remind Biden that he “can replace” Garland for lacking “the necessary qualities to conduct the sort of investigation our fragile democracy requires.” While Rubin just last year heralded Garland as “the right pick” for attorney general, she now denounces the former judge as the “wrong man for the job” because he will not yield to the pressure to prosecute Trump and others.
The logic becomes perfectly Orwellian: Rubin condemns Garland for being unable to “absorb political attacks” from the right — as she and others demand that he yield to attacks from the left. His refusal means Garland “is not up to the challenge before him.”
With Garland, critics cannot argue that he is a Trumper or a stooge — so they have labeled him a wimp or, according to President Biden, just too “ponderous.” Of course, other Democrats have failed this test. Two years ago, D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine seemed to be on every network proclaiming that he was pursuing possible charges against Trump over Jan. 6. No charges were brought. When the ultra-liberal Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg indicated that he was not yet comfortable with the push to prosecute Trump on state offenses, an MSNBC legal analyst declared that he and Garland have “some explaining to do.”
Recently, these critics declared that a district court judge in California supplied the missing link needed to arrest Trump. In a ruling for the disclosure of attorney-client material to Congress related to the Jan. 6 riot, Judge David O. Carter found that “the illegality of the plan was obvious” in opposing the certification of the election. Rubin declared that Garland “will have a hard time ignoring” that ruling, while others said the opinion was “more than enough” for Garland to move against Trump. It is the liberal version of releasing the Kraken.
That opinion offers more rhetorical than legal support for a prosecution, however. The case involves advice given to Trump by lawyer John Eastman, who argued that former Vice President Mike Pence could refuse to certify the election. Many of us disagreed with Eastman’s interpretation as well as the underlying claim that the election was stolen.
However, Judge Carter effectively declares the view to be so wrong as to be criminally culpable. He simply brushes aside the fact that Eastman and Trump might have believed in their factual and legal position by stating that “ignorance of the law is no excuse.” The court is not simply saying that they are wrong in that view but, because they are wrong, legislative challenges amounted to criminal obstruction of Congress.
In the Post column, Rubin reminds readers “this is a federal court, not a pundit or politician.” Yet, at points in the ruling, it was hard to tell the difference. Judge Carter seemed intent on rendering judgment on what he described as a “coup” rather than a riot: “Dr. Eastman and President Trump launched a campaign to overturn a democratic election … Their campaign was not confined to the ivory tower — it was a coup in search of a legal theory.”
While I agree with many aspects of Judge Carter’s decision, there is no clear limiting principle of when a legal opinion becomes a criminal conspiracy beyond the court’s predisposition of the meaning of these facts.
The question is whether Garland will now yield to the pressure that his predecessors resisted from another president. Both Sessions and Barr were effectively sacked for standing on principle rather than politics. Just as the “Pack the Court” campaign failed to intimidate the justices, the “Sack the AG” campaign is unlikely to intimidate Garland. Hopefully, like his predecessors, he knows that there are far worse things than losing a job.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. Follow him on Twitter @JonathanTurley.
Note: The original column referred to Rep. Luria criticizing Garland for not prosecuting Trump. It was changed to reflect that she was criticizing him for failing to prosecute Trump associates. She has said a criminal referral to charge Trump himself from the Jan. 6th Select Committee (on which she sits) may be coming.
“Democrats are ‘nearly out of time’ before the midterm elections and the possible loss of Congress.”
Can you say “Banana Republic?”
Another excellent article. Maybe I am a masochist but I have tried to read Jennifer Rubin to understand the mentality of today’s modern progressive. I still cannot determine if she is either one of the dumbest writers on the planet or the most dishonest. This former “neoconservative” has like most converts tries on a daily basis to prove her radicalism to her newly found friends. She will contradict her own writings within day of each publication. She and ilk who regularly condemned Barr but now want the AG to serve as a Grand Inquisitor. Her notion of democracy is mob rule and is fascist by nature. People like Jennifer Rubin think they are on the right side of history; history shows as in the Soviet Union these radicals often end up on the wrong side of a muzzle held by the people they empowered. Anne Applebaum and Jonah Goldberg are almost as despicable
“However, Judge Carter effectively declares the view to be so wrong as to be criminally culpable. He simply brushes aside the fact that Eastman and Trump might have believed in their factual and legal position by stating that “ignorance of the law is no excuse.” The court is not simply saying that they are wrong in that view but, because they are wrong, legislative challenges amounted to criminal obstruction of Congress.”
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Crminal charges harges for Trump might be a good thing. An exoneration by a court or jury and the backlash that woiuld bring would bring these liberal fascists to heel and usher in a Trump Presiedntial win in 2024. (Careful-what-you-wish-for style). By then, we’ll see exactly how corrupt (Biden Crime Family), Anti-American (pick most any academic) and evil (pick most any Dim pedophile apologist) these liberals are. I’m all for full judicial disclosure since the Flying Monkeys in the press won’t provide it. What better way than a new “Scopes” Trial to show the world the rot of globalism and usher in the “new” world of tradition, culture and national pride. (It’s coming by the way and faster than you can say “Orban”) Like Trump says that’s “winning so much [we’ll] get tired of it.” (Oh no, never that tired.)
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/08/18/trump-albany-rally-winning-sot.cnn
Along with Orban there was a recent win in Norman Oklahoma, home of OU.
https://nondoc.com/2022/04/05/larry-heikkila-wins-norman-mayoral-runoff/
He could volunteer to testify under oath in a public Congressional hearing. But he would commit perjury.
The unethical behavior of Democrats is only overshadowed by their lack of intelligence and logic. They are a cultish religion of the most archaic kind. They have created a political religion to which they bow and give homage, while burning the witches they imagine are living next door. Never be a friend to these people because the next day they will decide that if you drown you weren’t a witch but if you float you need to be burned at the stake. They are bordering on pure evil.
Highlyeducatedsuburbanwoman says:
“They [Democrats] are bordering on pure evil.”
I don’t want it ever to be said that *I* believe Republicans, Trumpists or Q-Anon followers are “pure evil” or even bordering on it. Such de-humanization is despicable; and Turley would certainly condemn highlyeducatedsuburbanwoman for doing so.
I believe that Trumpists have been duped by a “carnival snake charmer” as Turley warned us about Trump long ago. I cannot hate someone who was taken-in by a consummate conman; I can only pity them.
Professor Turley, obviously you have fine taste in picking cinema classics. Loved the Luca Brasi comparison. Now we just need to return to Children’s books to describe the current Democratic Party. In the immortal words of Henny Penny (aka Chicken Little) “The sky is falling, the sky is falling”. Or better yet, we could to turn to Shakespeare “It is a tale told by an IDIOT, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing”. The story of this so called great political party should be placed on the stage at the Globe Theatre so we peasants in the front can throw our rotten cabbage and tomatoes at them.
“Now we just need to return to Children’s books to describe the current Democratic Party. In the immortal words of Henny Penny (aka Chicken Little) “The sky is falling, the sky is falling”.
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I see the Dims more as Winnie the Poop!
America needs a hunter for Trump.
The left keeps building that monster in their castle basement laboratory, but when they bring it to life….its always Democrat.
And not a word about billary, glore, the president of the universe all decrying the legitimacy of their losses…
And yes, this election was corrupt and stolen…
Turley wants to be above it all, but ignorance is not bliss…
JT, you get the fish wrapped in newspaper after the deed is done, not before.
I’m no longer sure how to address these people they’re certainly not Democrats, those people died long ago. They are proving that they will eat their own and their appetite is ravenous. I just hope the Republicans don’t let their guard down with the coming midterm election.
Margot Ballhere,
It has been my observation the Democrat party of old is no longer. They went from the party of the working man, to the part of the Big Tech oligarchs and progressive wokeism.
Reuters did a data dive into recent political party registrations. They found in PA the GOP is registering four times the rate the Dems are.
They see similar registrations in states like NC, NV, and FL.
I know of a few Dems who are watching this wokeism take over in abject horror.
I dont think they are going to vote in the mid-terms. Cannot say about 2024.
The party of the working man is now the Republican Party, certainly NOT the Democrat Party of today which is now the party of Wall St, the elite, the rich, Hollywood, climate change, communism, globalism, woke leftism, and now endless war.
Those Dems who are thinking of not voting need to take the advice of Obama who said, “Don’t boo, vote!” And if they do not want MORE of this Leftist crapola being dished out to continue, then it is their duty to hold their nose and vote for Republicans in order to stop this intentional destruction of our country.
Republicans regularly vote against legislation that serves the working class.
Republicans are the ones voting for tax cuts for the rich.
Democrats represented the working class from Roosevelt to Johnson. Reagan brought the working class to the Republican party where the working class still resides.
Vast majority of Republicans in state and local government represent the issues and ideals of the working class. What national Democrats don’t understand is most of the critical issues in politics are local and the local Republicans represent the working class.
A minority of working class voters are Republicans. Working class voters do not “reside” in the Republican party.
They do now, more and more so.
Actually, more working class voters are choosing to register as Independents.
That is true as well. Working folk are migrating away from the Progressives. The Progressives will have to find a new name like they have had to do multiple times to hide who and what they are.
Special+K,
Did you read Job Creators Network President Alfredo Ortiz testimony before Congress recently?
“He pointed out that roughly two-thirds of new job growth happens in the hands of small businesses and the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act created an economic environment in which small businesses were able to succeed.”
Of additional note, “. . . warning Congress that Democrats’ threat of tax hikes combined with continued inflationary spending and the ongoing worker shortage is disproportionately hurting small businesses and minority families.”
Source: https://justthenews.com/government/congress/job-creators-network-ceo-tells-congress-inflation-disproportionately-harming
That demonstrates a lack of understanding of the law. When tax rates fall, everyone gets a break unless you want to go outside the law and target individuals. By the way, some of us that support the law were hit hard by it. Anyone owning an expensive home, or homes, loses a tax benefit the law took away. You wouldn’t know much about that because of your limited success.
You must live in state that has the high local taxes, i.e. NY, Mass, Cali, etc. I used to live in one of those states years ago, now I do not. Who raised those taxes in a high tax state, the state legislature, the county commission/legislature, city/borough government? Yep. Most people don’t have a $10,000 local tax bill except in those high tax sates run historically by Democratic Governors and State Legislatures. Who continues to spend money like a drunken sailor in those high tax states; who continues to defy federal law on immigration, high tax states? Look at the unfunded pension plans and other liabilities in these high tax states, who voted for those? I think Tip O’Neil, whom I represented for his whit and wisdom once said….All politics are local.
K, The state creates the tax, but that is not what is being discussed. Trump’s tax law limited deductions, so people with more affluent lifestyles lose a significant deduction which translates into a lot of money for many people. I have no objection to what Trump did. I was pointing out that Trump’s tax law hit more affluent people.
By the way, high taxes can create meeting the deductible much quicker, but so can higher valuations of people’s homes.
My initial comment responded to the lunkhead who said, “Republicans are the ones voting for tax cuts for the rich.”
“Republicans regularly vote against legislation that serves the working class.”
That’s funny.
I don’t think stratospheric gas, utility, and food prices, and skyrocketing inflation (all caused by democrat policies) are serving the “working class.” Unless by “serving” you mean impoverish them, so that D’s can control them.
Progressivism killed Democrats
Where is the left screening for the head of Hunter Biden ? Could the answer be he is the son of our President. Hunter should be so easy to prove his life long failures but Trumps failures would be almost impossible prove because there was no criminal intent.
Turley concludes about Garland;
“Hopefully, like his predecessors, he knows that there are far worse things than losing a job.”
Ain’t that the dying truth! Too bad that is a lesson lost on Trump who cannot abide being known as a “loser.” That is why he will NEVER cease lying that:
“I WON THIS ELECTION, BY A LOT!”
But is that a crime, thinking and believing that you won an election because of voter fraud? Trump owns you and he isn’t even in office. I won’t vote for Trump again but Trump is much better than the current sitting mannequin in that office.
Biden is better than the con artist Trump.
I guess you are one of those Russia supporters that like to see pieces of Ukraine swallowed every time Biden is in the White House.
Biden has provided more military support to Ukraine than Trump did. Trump literally attempted to extort Zelensky in exchange for military support. Even now, Trump doesn’t condemn Putin for his war crimes.
Your lack of knowledge is astounding.
The proof is in the pudding. Russia attacked Ukraine twice while Biden was in office. Twice, not just once!!! Why? Putin can see weakness when it appears. Biden is not only weak, but he is incompetent, as are most of the Progressives. Biden sat on his butt when the Russians placed many troops on Ukraine’s doorstep. Are you that unaware? Biden even told Putin that a bite of Ukraine would be OK. You are uniformed, despite your time on this blog, day and night.
“Trump doesn’t condemn Putin for his war crimes.”
Trump recognizes the international forces that exist in the world. Biden doesn’t have the slightest idea of what goes on. I don’t think Biden has evaluated any major international problem correctly in his almost 50 years in government. Two words describe him, grossly incompetent.
Did Putin attack Ukraine when Trump was in power? No. Did we have wars breaking out when Trump was in power? No, we saw signs of peace. I can’t help it if you are as unaware as Biden. You need to post less and read more.
Your devotion to a fat loser is astounding. Putin attacked Ukraine because he believed that his useful idiot had so divided America by lying about his “landslide victory” being “stolen” that Biden couldn’t get Congress to approve aid for Ukraine. But, he was wrong. Putin’s useful idiot and his media enablers are still around to criticize the Biden Administration and to praise Putin. Putin is afraid of democracy, which NATO represents, and wants control of both the Black Sea to the south (bordering Ukraine) and the Baltic Sea to the North (bordered by Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania). Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are NATO allies, which the US is treaty-bound to defend, but with the US out of NATO, the way would be much easier. Next, Putin would move on to Poland. It is well-known that Putin is determined to re-build the Soviet Union by taking over the former countries that gained independence when USSR was dissolved. So, Putin’s useful idiot, Trump, began by trashing NATO and the EU, setting the stage for the disciples to support pulling the US out of NATO (because they’ll believe ANY lie he tells) and was intending to pull the US out of NATO if he could have cheated his way back into office a second time. But, it didn’t work.
So, you want to talk about American presidential “weakness”? Putin saw Trump for a narcissistic moron whose delicate ego demanded that he couldn’t be branded “loser” and that he was behind in the polls, so Putin was smart enough to see an opening to put this useful idiot into power to do his bidding. Ergo, his people colluded with Trump’s campaign that fed Russian hackers insider polling information about districts where support for Hillary Clinton was soft enough that lies about her might sway enough voters to clinch the Electoral College, which is exactly what happened. The Mueller investigation and an independent Republican Senatorial investigation prove these facts to be true. Trump paid Putin back by lobbying to get Russia back into the G-7 (which didn’t work) and publicly defended Putin by siding against his own American intelligence. Trump is still doing Putin’s bidding, praising his unprovoked attack against Ukraine as “smart and savvy” Trump’s media enablers also join the fray, and their rhetoric praising Putin is broadcast as Russian propaganda. Putin is using Trump to divide Americans against one another, using two potent tools: Trump’s massive ego and his alt-right media enablers. In our American history, no losing presidential candidate has refused to quietly fade from public attention, has ever gone on the daily offensive against the candidate who beat him, or had several networks of media enablers to put out lies and constant criticism of the current POTUS, trying to undermine his success. The reason is respect for the will of the American people, something Trump’s massive ego has no room for. Then, there’s the Constitution, something else that is meaningless to Trump. It must thrill Putin to no end to see that Trump’s disciples will believe any lies they are told, despite all proof to the contrary. Putin is a sociopathic mass murderer bent on domination of eastern Europe and Trump is his puppet.
Before you start calling me names and accusing me of being paid to write, consider this, everything I wrote above is supported by FACTS. When you call our President “weak, grossly incompetent” and claiming that he “doesn’t have the slightest idea of what goes on”, you are not relying on FACTS, just repeating the rhetoric you heard on the alt-right media that Putin is using to help divide us against each other. Biden set a record for job growth, reversing the 10+% Trump unemployment rate to under 4%. The economy has turned around so fast that we have supply-chain issues due to backlogs caused by factory shutdowns and slow downs, all due to Trump’s mistakes. Biden got a massive infrastructure bill passed. He has restored relationships with our NATO allies and is addressing the supply-chain shortages caused by the Trump Recession and his trade war with China. YOU are the one who needs to read something other than alt-right rhetoric. The FACTS are staring you in the face.
Jobs being filled AGAIN after they shut down the economy is not CREATING new jobs or any kind of ‘record’ job growth to crow about.
We have war –soon to be endless war –back again. We have record inflation, soaring gas prices, soaring food prices, rising energy costs, food shortages, empty store shelves, wide open border, record illegal aliens being released in towns all over the country, drugs pouring into the country from the open border killing young people, crime on the rise in every major city, CRT and Queer Theory indoctrinating school children, people feeling unsafe, unable to make ends meet, and everything getting worse under Biden, not better.
Watch out for a clean sweep in November. This fed up country will be taking out the Democrat trash in the midterm elections.
Biden created NEW, good-paying jobs with his infrastructure package. Trump’s incompetence caused the booming economy he inherited from Obama to nosedive. We have war because of the divisiveness Trump has caused by pitting Americans against each other and Trump’s alienation of America’s NATO allies, all of which Putin thought he could leverage to his advantage. We always have inflation after a recession, but we also had a mishandled pandemic, exacerbated by Trump’s lying and utter incompetence as well as the trade war he started with China, which has caused a shortage of computer chips needed for cars, appliances and other consumer goods. Gas production went down because demand went down due to people working from home and getting laid off and because petroleum producers didn’t want to get stuck with an over-supply that would drive down profits. So, when things rapidly turned around due to Biden getting the pandemic under control, petroleum companies have not ramped up production because they are making record profits which they are turning into dividends and stock buybacks. All of this is Trump’s fault. It is disingenuous to blame Joe Biden for inflation and shortages of consumer goods because he successfully got the pandemic under control which has gotten people back to work, and which in turn, increases demand at a time where there are supply-chain issues. ReTrumplicans are counting on Americans being simple-minded enough not to understand the root causes of these issues. I think they are selling Americans short.
You can keep repeating the list of Hannity lies about all of the other nonsense, but it’s just lies. You Trumpsters are selling the American public short- you don’t speak for this “country”, most of which find Trump and his lying, narcissism and incompetence repulsive even before he began praising a murderous sociopathic murderer like Putin. Republicans have absolutely NO plan to address inflation or anything else, and they pander to racism by lying about “open borders”, migrants being “murderers”, and school children being “indoctrinated”. In fact, Republicans have NO agenda at all, other than to complain, lie about Biden and Democrats being “corrupt” and stonewalling the Jan 6th investigation. The American people will see though this.
The American people DO see through it. November will prove just how much.
Biden is making policy decisions, not Trump. Everything bad that has happened on Biden’s watch is Biden’s doing. He owns all of it. Democrats control everything. They own all of this mess.
We have war again because Washington wanted war. We have war again because Biden’s poll numbers are in the toilet.
Watch Trump shake Putin’s hand in the first second of this video. Trump yanks that little sucker’s arm right in. Alpha energy. Putin knew to wait until the next guy (Biden) was in office before he made his move. Biden and Blinken broadcast enormous weakness and fecklessness for the whole world to see. “Lead from behind” with ‘Beta energy’ is the Biden/Blinken foreign policy. Putin knows exactly who and what he is dealing with. Just pathetic to watch how weak the US is under Biden/Blinken.
That fat narcissistic hog you worship has always lived in a fantasy world in which he is handsome, attractive to women, a self-made billionaire, successful at business, and admired by men who are jealous of him and his wealth and fabulous success. He believes he projects his immense power and authority with his phony handshake. All smoke and mirrors. Trump couldn’t even make a gambling casino succeed, much less his 3 marriages (so far) and businesses (6 bankruptcies). I agree: Putin DOES know a loser when he sees one, and the photo above is of a loser, someone who is so afraid of being branded a loser that he can be manipulated by an enemy of America because he was behind in the polls.
And, will one of you Trumpsters please explain this to me: I keep getting text messages from the peckerwood of the above that say this: “Message from Donald Trump, Jr. I can’t lie to you guys. This election is going to be a tough one so it is REALLY important we hear from you. We need you to take the Official 2022 Nationwide Census. Take 2 mins and get it done (link omitted)”.
“I can’t lie to you”? Really? So if peckerwood isn’t lying, why does he think it’s “going to be a tough” election?
What do you think would happen if Zelensky released all the corruption dirt he has on Biden? We are at war because Washington wanted war and because Biden’s numbers are bottoming out. Distraction from how bad things are here at home was needed. So, war is back.
Trump waged peace. It took Biden a year to bring back war. Endless war is back, baby.
Why will it be a tough election? It’s tough to win when your opponents cheat like hell, wouldn’t you say?
When do you think the next Covid variant will be hitting?
Biden and the Dems have brought back endless war.
And also endless voting. By mail. By drop box. By harvesting. Voting for months, weeks, days on end. By any means necessary to win.
The US is not at war in Ukraine.
Biden is a groomer.
Nuf said
If the election were between the mannequin and Trump, you would vote for Biden?
Issue is moot. Trump won’t run and the Democrats won’t allow the mannequin to seek a second term.
Then your statement about not voting for Trump was gratuitous.
Absolutely. Biden is mediocre, but Trump is a danger.
Prove your statement by listing several policies and discussing why Biden is better.
What has Biden done for Covid?, the border, Fentanyl, the Middle East, Ukraine, the relationship between Russia and China, the economy, etc.?
Let us take any of those or other items of your choice and discuss them. Let’s see if you can put intelligence where your mouth is. Keep posting scores of posts at a time. Each time you do so, you prove how limited you are. In fact, you prove that you aren’t very bright and know very little.
Aren’t you the little dictator expecting people to obey your commands. No one GAFs if you agree with them.
Says the Groomer.
In other words, Anonymous, we all know who he is, has nothing to say. He can only respond with tripe.
Yes, Anonymous the Stupid, aka Meyer the Troll Liar, has nothing to say and can only respond with tripe.
ATS, when you copy statements I made, you flatter me. Anonymous the Stupid is a perfect description of who you are.
“can only respond with tripe.” is plagiarism, but that is better than your lies. You keep making my point. You have no brain of value. You have learned a technique in argument that is false because you only deal with lies and lack of context. When you lie, you look more Stupid when the lie has previously been proven wrong.
You are the one and only Anonymous the Stupid, aka Meyer the Troll Liar,
but Trump is a danger.
Mindless ad hominem, A childish taunt with nothing to support the accusation
Go back to the playground, Adults are talking
Anonymous says:
Absolutely. Biden is mediocre, but Trump is a danger.
Margot says: You’re correct, the Marxist, socialist, commi’s, Progressives who make up the New Democrat party do see President Trump as a danger. Incapable of pointing to how good the nation is under this administration’s hands, they speak of Trump, Trump, Trump. Think of it, the man is out of office nearly 2 years and they still constantly talk about him, he’s their Boogeyman, Krampus, Wewe Gombel, El Coco, Babarogo, Tata Duende, Baba Yaga, Hilara Clintona.
SpecialK asks:
“But is that a crime, thinking and believing that you won an election because of voter fraud?”
No. Lying in public is not a crime, but violating 18 U.S. Code § 1505 – Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees- is.
Trump didn’t violate 18 U.S. Code § 1505, but Jeff Silberman violates human decency.
Winners always have a problem when they cheat just as liars always have a problem when they lie, Jeffy.
Turley says:
“Elaine Luria (D-Va.) on Monday evening told Garland to just “do your job” and get on with the Trump prosecution.”
This mischaracterization of Luria’s statement is grossly unfair. She was not referring to Garland getting on with the *Trump prosecution*, but rather doing his job of enforcing the *contempt* referrals! She said in full context:
“Attorney General Garland, do your job so we can do ours.”
The committee obviously cannot do its job if those who have been held in contempt are not prosecuted. Time is of the essence. She made this abundantly clear:
“It’s been over three months since we referred those charges relative to Mark Meadows—The Department of Justice needs to move swiftly.”
I am very disheartened that Turley would mislead his readers to suggest that Luria was clamoring for the prosecution of Trump.
Turley misleads his readers, because he can. Turley just feeds them what they want to see and hear and nothing more.
JS:
“This mischaracterization of Luria’s statement is grossly unfair. She was not referring to Garland getting on with the *Trump prosecution*, but rather doing his job of enforcing the *contempt* referrals! She said in full context:”
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Funny, Lainey wasn’t so doggone enthusiastic when the DOJ pigeon-holed the contempt citations for such virtuous Dims as Michael “Knee Breaker” Avennati or his lying stooge, Julie Swetnick. Any ideas why?
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-10-25%20CEG%20to%20DOJ%20FBI%20(Swetnick%20and%20Avenatti%20Referral)_Redacted.pdf
Hey mespo, are you trying to look stupid?
Here, Luria is commenting on something before the J6 Committee, which she serves on. Dd it occur to you that the reason “why” Rep. Luria didn’t comment on the letter you link to is because that was a letter from a **Senate** Committee and the issue wasn’t before the **House**?
And did you notice that your 2018 letter starts off “Dear Attorney General Sessions and Director Wray” and it wasn’t a criminal contempt referral but was instead a letter requesting “investigation of potential violations”? Whatever your conclusions about Sessions’ choices there, it doesn’t reflect on Garland or Luria.
Mespo727272,
Two wrongs doesn’t make it right.
“Two wrongs doesn’t make it right.”
Jeff, remember that when you post countless numbers of ‘wrongs’.
Jeff,
Turley regularly misleads his readers.
For a discussion of why Garland may be slow-walking the contempt indictment against Meadows:
“Why to Delay a Mark Meadows Indictment: Bannon Is Using His Contempt Prosecution to Monitor the Ongoing January 6 Investigation”
https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/07/why-to-delay-a-mark-meadows-indictment-bannon-is-using-his-contempt-prosecution-to-monitor-the-ongoing-january-6-investigation/
Another way in which Turley is misleading his readers here is when he claims “Judge Carter effectively declares the view to be so wrong as to be criminally culpable. He simply brushes aside the fact that Eastman and Trump might have believed in their factual and legal position by stating that ‘ignorance of the law is no excuse.'”
Carter did not “brush aside” the possibility “that Eastman and Trump might have believed in their factual and legal position.” If Turley had simply read the rest of the sentence with “ignorance of the law is no excuse” plus the next sentence, he’d know that Carter goes on to say “believing the Electoral Count Act was unconstitutional did not give President Trump license to violate it. Disagreeing with the law entitled President Trump to seek a remedy in court, not to disrupt a constitutionally-mandated process.”
Carter also addressed that possibility, elsewhere, for examples:
“Dr. Eastman himself repeatedly recognized that his plan had no legal support. In his discussion with the Vice President’s counsel, Dr. Eastman “acknowledged” the “100 percent consistent historical practice since the time of the Founding” that the Vice President did not have the authority to act as the memo proposed. More importantly, Dr. Eastman admitted more than once that “his proposal violate[d] several provisions of statutory law,” including explicitly characterizing the plan as “one more relatively minor violation” of the Electoral Count Act. In addition, on January 5, Dr. Eastman conceded that the Supreme Court would unanimously reject his plan for the Vice President to reject electoral votes.” Those are not the statements of someone who believes that what he’s proposed is constitutional.
Turley should be ashamed to be so dishonest in his columns. It doesn’t serve his readers, it doesn’t serve his students, and it doesn’t serve his own reputation. Perhaps it serves him financially.
You misread almost everything. Turley. said Carter didn’t have any legal principle to hang onto. Without such a principle, there is no line one crosses. Without the line, politics can lead to rulings based on politics, not the law.
As a fascist, you like that type of law except when you are out of power.
“disrupt a constitutionally-mandated process.”
Start defining the word “disrupt.” For a fascist, that is easy because disruptions are suddenly anything that disrupts the power of a fascist.
“Turley should be ashamed to be so dishonest in his columns. ”
Turley isn’t being dishonest. You are just living up to your name.
You are the one and only Anonymous the Stupid, aka Meyer the Troll Liar.
Wow, the dumb one that can only destroy and not create is upset again. What upset you? Was it any of the following that you are unable to respond to? You prove what you are by what you write. Many recognize that today and more will tomorrow.
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You misread almost everything. Turley. said Carter didn’t have any legal principle to hang onto. Without such a principle, there is no line one crosses. Without the line, politics can lead to rulings based on politics, not the law.
As a fascist, you like that type of law except when you are out of power.
“disrupt a constitutionally-mandated process.”
Start defining the word “disrupt.” For a fascist, that is easy because disruptions are suddenly anything that disrupts the power of a fascist.
“Turley should be ashamed to be so dishonest in his columns. ”
Turley isn’t being dishonest. You are just living up to your name.
You want to be treated like a good faith discussant, but you are a troll. You are the one and only Anonymous the Stupid, aka Meyer the Troll Liar.
Wow, anonymous, he must have really gotten to you. You now see him everywhere. Try sleeping on top of the bed instead of underneath. You need some normality in your life.
Meyer admits to frequently posting anonymously:
https://jonathanturley.org/2021/12/20/aggressively-individualistic-miami-law-professor-proposes-a-redo-of-the-first-and-second-amendments/comment-page-2/#comment-2145741
“Perhaps it serves him financially.”
ATS, that is a cowardly way to libel Turley.
Anonymous says:
“Turley should be ashamed to be so dishonest in his columns. It doesn’t serve his readers, it doesn’t serve his students, and it doesn’t serve his own reputation. Perhaps it serves him financially.”
Your post was well-stated. As I have said, Turley will not acknowledge the Big Lie. He has consistently regarded the Trumpist belief that the election was stolen as one made in good faith but short on evidence. It is abundantly clear it was a lie ab initio. I have noted that Turley has NEVER reacted to Bill Barr emphatically declaring that the voter fraud theories were total “bullsh*t”- not made in good faith. Turley ignored commenting upon the Trumpist lawyers being sanctioned by a court for perpetuating a fraud on the court with their voter fraud allegations and thus violating their ethical considerations in doing so.
I have surmised that Turley will never concede that the “election was stolen” was a *known* lie because it would undermine Fox’s defense in its defamation lawsuits. Fox wants to claim that it innocently broadcasted these defamations against Dominion and Smartmatic. It neither knew nor had reason to know that these election conspiracies were bogus. It insists that it acted in good faith.
However, Fox could not have acted without malice if it was known or readily knowable that Trump was lying and others were lying on his behalf, and yet Fox broadcasted those liars in order to pander to its Trumpist audience.
Turley renders a considered opinion. You render hate, arrogance and ignorance.
Jeffy can’t seem to deal with Turley. Jeffy’s affinity toward Turley lasts only so long as the spoken words remain similar. The problem is that Jeff doesn’t understand the nuance behind what Turley says. Turley is a scholar, and Jeffy lies ever so distant.
Jeff,
FWIW, I emailed Turley about the claim about Luria, and he has changed the sentence to “Rep. Elaine Luria (D-Va.) on Monday evening told Garland to just “do your job” and get on with prosecutions of Trump associates.” Of course, that undermines his next sentence that “It appears time — not ethics — is the priority,” since it is entirely ethical for a member of Congress to call for timely prosecution of the criminal contempt of Congress referrals of Bannon, Meadows, Scavino, and Navarro.
Bannon’s trial starts in July. The DOJ, perhaps for strategic reasons, has not yet indicted Meadows, Scavino, and Navarro.
Anonymous,
I hate to bother you, but would you settle this nonsense between Ray in SC and me:
Ray in SC said:
“Jeff,
You have quoted Anomaly as sending an email to Turley to suggest a correction to his article but then you have asked; “ how many Trumpists here will credit **me** for pointing out an error of which Turley not only took notice but went to the trouble of making a correction?”
Are you admitting to being Anomaly or, at least, admitting to being one of the various Anomalies? Or…are you simply stealing the credit for what Anomaly did because he is, of course, anonymous and therefore can’t reliably dispute your claim to credit and because, of course, you are so desperate for credibility that you cannot help yourself?”
I replied:
“Ray,
You are truly grasping at straw. I was the one who noted the mistake Turley made! The fact that it was Anonymous who decided on his own to report it to Turley does not invalidate the credit due me. I’m sure that Anonymous is not seeking any credit for simply emailing my criticism to Turley nor feels that I am stealing any credit from him! You are a funny guy, Ray.”
To which Ray in SC retorted:
“Jeff,
I give credit to Anomaly for suggesting a correction that was accepted. As for you, you are a sad little man to seek credit for that which was done by Anomaly.”
I’ll post your reply to Ray if you see fit to reply to me. Thanks.
Jeff,
I’m not sure what you’re asking me. I am not seeking credit.
I was prompted by your comment to write Turley. Before I wrote him, I looked up a longer transcript of what Luria had said. In my email, I noted that the hearing was about whether to recommend that the House forward a contempt of Congress referral to the DOJ for Dan Scavino and Peter Navarro, and I included the longer quote: “When given the opportunity to tell the truth about the attack on January 6, both Mr. Scavino and Mr. Navarro continue to put loyalty to Donald Trump before the Constitution and the American people. Tonight, I will vote to hold Mr. Scavino and Mr. Navarro accountable for their actions, and recommend that the House of Representatives cite both of them for contempt of Congress. And the Department of Justice must act swiftly. I will echo what my colleagues have already said, but more bluntly: Attorney General Garland, do your job so that we can do ours.” I suggested that he correct the error.
I was glad to see him correct it, and this is the first time I’ve seen him post a correction at the bottom of an article, noting a change to an earlier version. Progress!
When I emailed, I should have also pointed out his misrepresentation of Judge Carter’s ruling, but I didn’t.
Anonymous,
Ray in SC is berating me for taking credit which he believes is owed to you since you were the one who notified Turley. My point was that I actually had made a valid complaint for which I would never be given credit by those who claim I am suffering from an irrational hatred of Turley. It’s a rather small point, but I wanted you to refute Ray’s accusation that I was stealing the honor of correcting Turley.
Wow, two idiots are competing as to who discovered a discrepancy and who should get the credit.
This demonstrates that neither of you has done much with your lives.
Let’s all stand and applaud so that they have something to show for themselves.
Jeff, yes, your complaint was valid. I have no respect for Ray, who can’t even bring himself to talk about me without name-calling, and I do not care what he thinks.
ATS, you are accusing Ray of name-calling while you offend continuously. Let me remind you of your words, Ashli Babbitt was a “stupid woman.”
She is dead, murdered. You are alive.
Lefties are often ruthless political players with few morals.
And they are getting scared.
be useful to have, you know, actual actionable evidence of a crime.
Fun fact. All the spying done on President Trump, was NEVER a criminal investigation. All the law enforcement assets deployed…never a criminal investigation.
It ‘s a new, get out of constitutional constraints free card. The new term “Counter intelligence Investigation” Srtips citizens of their constitutional protections. The government is then judge jury and executioner, and Constitutional protections go out the window.
Just like Congress can force you to submit to questioning under oath, with nothing protecting you from abuse by congress.
Star Chamber
‘Either pick up that water and carry it, or you’re fired!’. 🙄 Would be so great if anyone in Washington had an actual spine.
The messaging from the political left is very clear, oppose the “progressive” hive mind in any way and you will be canceled, it’s Orwellian totalitarianism. Look at the history of the world and see what kind of pain and suffering the hive minded totalitarians have caused.
Our culture shift is leaning heavily totalitarian, the question is will the USA survive the 21st century cultural shift?
Firing he Attorney General is obstruction of Justice
I know this from listening to Constitutional scholars like Lawrence Tribe, and Rachel Maddow, that made it clear President Trump could not fire any person in the Justice Dept, which includes the FBI, because it is obstruction of Justice.
I can understand the lefties’ frustration. I had a similar feeling when Froggy Barr refused to prosecute former intel staffers who had manifestly committed crimes, and even in some cases acknowledged them.
The statists are very good at creating a crisis where none exists. They also have convenient memories, and seem to forget such niceties as the Rule of Law, Free Speech, Free Assembly, etc., until it is necessary or convenient for them, The Republic withstood the Civil War; it is clearly not fragile, and it will survive them and their ilk
Totally Gnarly Turley,
Either prosecute Trump or sleep with the fishes.
Sleeping In Peace with the Fishes:
Seth Rich
Jeffrey Epstein
C. Victor Raiser II
Mary Mohane
Vincent W. Foster
Christopher Sign
Jovenel Moïse
Coming soon: Hunter Biden
“Coming soon: Hunter Biden”
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Naw, already seen the trailer. Too raunchy.
Maybe he figures it would be useful to have, you know, actual actionable evidence of a crime.