Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told USA Today this week that it is “possible” that Congress could pass a national ban on abortion if the leaked draft opinion overturning Roe v. Wade is finalized. In the interview, McConnell confirmed that there would be nothing standing in the way of such national legislation. McConnell did not say that he was calling or planning for such a vote. He was stating that it would be legally possible if Roe is overturned. However, such a vote would leave the position of the GOP in an incomprehensible morass on its views in the area. For decades, Republicans have insisted that this issue is a state, not a federal, matter. It could also raise some difficult constitutional questions under federalism.
In the interview with USA Today published on Saturday, McConnell said:
“If the leaked opinion became the final opinion, legislative bodies—not only at the state level but at the federal level—certainly could legislate in that area,” he said. “And if this were the final decision, that was the point that it should be resolved one way or another in the legislative process. So yeah, it’s possible.”
The point of the comment is that, if there is no constitutional right to abortion, it is an area susceptible to legislative action on either the state or federal levels. Ironically, that is the same position as the Democrats who are seeking a federal protection of abortion to override the states.
There are some constitutional questions, however, that could be raised with either a federal protection or ban on abortion. Those questions include how states may be required to enforce such a ban. The Framers were deeply concerned about precisely this type of federal encroachment on state authority as James Madison discussed in Federalist #46. They created a system to support the “refusal to cooperate with officers of the Union.”
Such laws can unconstitutionally require states to enforce the federal law — raising so called “commandeering” issues that violate federalism protections. There can also be conditions that are viewed as so coercive in withholding state funds that they are considered unconstitutional.
In 1992, in New York v. United States, the Supreme Court invalidated part of the Low-Level Radioactive Waste Policy Amendments Act of 1985 as commandeering. In 1997, in Printz v. United States, the Supreme Court held that the federal government cannot order states or cities to enforce federal law. In Independent Business v. Sebelius(2012), the Court held that the federal government could not compel states to expand Medicaid by threatening to withhold funding for Medicaid programs. In Murphy v. NCAA (2018), the Court again warned that Congress could not take any action that “dictates what a state legislature may and may not do” in such policy or program disputes.
Ironically, if the GOP was to push such a ban, it would not only contradict its long-held view on state’s rights in the area but would rest upon a broad interpretation of interstate commerce (another view long opposed by many in the GOP). Under existing case law, Congress could claim that abortions have interstate elements due to the travel of individuals and involvement of national medical and administrative components.
It is doubtful that such a federal ban could pass in Congress. Indeed, some Republican members would most certainly oppose such a law like Sen. Susan Collins of Maine.
If this was a trial balloon, it quickly turned into a lead balloon. Pro-life members like Missouri GOP Senator Josh Hawley have already said that they would not back a federal ban. Likewise, Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R) said on Sunday that such a national ban would be “inconsistent with what we’ve been fighting for.”
Notably, McConnell reaffirmed that (unlike the Democrats) the GOP would continue to stand by the filibuster even if they take control of the Senate. That effectively guarantees that no such federal ban could be passed.
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A woman in Texas is being prosecuted for murder. She got raped by a priest. Immediately afterward she got an enema device and washed out her vagina to get rid of sperm. The cops charged her with killing the man’s sperm. The cops didn’t charge the rapist.
The woman raped by the priest is a nun.
Congress banning abortion would be like Congress banning assault weapons.
There have been many discussions in the legal community over both Roe and Casey. May argued that Roe was wrongly decided creating a right under the Constitution that does not exist and that in doing so trampled on the rights of states to regulate abortion. States control the licensing of medical practitioners and medical facilities (hospitals, surgical centers, and clinics). Further, states legislate what is defined as a criminal act. Abortion is not interstate commerce, which covers a multitude of federal law and regulation. Rather, abortion is a Tenth Amendment issue.
In the February drat of Alito’s draft the clear intent is to return to the several states and their constituencies the ability to regulate abortion. An attempt to establish a Federal ban on abortion or a right to abortion should be a non-starter presuming that the decision results in the issue being returned to the states.
The Constitution was never designed to insert the national government this far into individuals lives.
Never underestimate the intent of religious zealots. Once you give them an inch they will take the whole mile and keep on going.
Missouri is proposing a law that allows private individuals to sue anyone that helps, supports, transports, or provides payment to state residents who seek an abortion in another state. Banning abortion won’t stop at abortion. Contraceptives and sex education are on the table. Even putting women in prison for ending a pregnancy. Women having a miscarriage will be at risk. It’s already been attempted in Texas.
According to the unofficial Supreme Court “opinion”, as it is currently written, the high court does not ban abortions but instead upholds a Mississippi law banning abortions after 15 weeks and returns the issue to states to decide on their own.
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000180-874f-dd36-a38c-c74f98520000
The taking of an innocent life, not in self-defense, is the definition of “murder.”
It isn’t the mother’s body and life being extinguished via abortion.
It’s the body and life of the most defenseless human beings on earth, that is being terminated.
It’s murder by definition.
But a majority of modern American women have bought into the lie that killing their own offspring is a “constitutionally protect right,” and females now represent 52% of the voting public.
It’s a most deadly lie… and in the end, it has led the USA to a complete disregard for human life at any age.
No wonder children kill each other or themselves in the streets, schools, and malls today.
Human life has been entirely devalued for decades.
The embryo does not have a right to use the woman’s uterus against her will, any more than someone could use your bone marrow to save their life against your will.
“it has led the USA to a complete disregard for human life at any age. No wonder children kill each other or themselves in the streets, schools, and malls today.”
The murder rate in the US peaked ~1980.
Does an infant have a right to be fed by its mother? Happy Mothers Day.
Does a woman have a right to decide whether she wants to be a mother?
Or is she just a brood mare who exists to please the religious Right?
Sam……when women decide NOT to take responsibility for their actions re: their bodies, then they naturally lose the right to “have control” over their bodies, because they obviously can’t responsibly control themselves. And btw, where was this outcry during the fascist vaccine mandate last year, when thousands of women were losing their jobs being fired because they didn’t want the vaccine in their bodies, and some for religious reasons, too??!! Where was the Democrats’ outrage about that?! They are such phonies…… Such obedient hypocrites!
Except for rape, why and how in the hell are women having unwanted pregnancies in the year 2022? They;re either too stupid to understand the birds and the bees, or they’re too careless and cavalier. But oh, how they love having the Democrat Party hold the fear of Roe’s demise over their heads, so that they’ll keep “putting out” to accommodate irresponsible men. Women are such sheep. No wonder we’re still second class menstruating people.
Why is it only the women who “don’t take responsibility”. What about the men? Surely the men should be held accountable too, no? If they get a woman pregnant they should be forced to raise the child whether they want to or not.
Svelaz—-If you’ll notice and read my second to last sentence…………”irresponsible men”
Cindy, Svelaz doesn’t know that men are forced to support their children, and they have no say in whether an abortion should take place or not.
If one wishes to have sex, one has to be old enough to be responsible, or we end up in bad situations. We need to encourage people to understand that conceiving a child creates a life. People need to think deeply and hard about that, no matter how they handle it.
S. Meyer–Thank you….Well said.
S. Meyer, so we should be teaching children at the earliest appropriate age about contraceptives? Make it mandatory so that they are knowledgeable and educated in making a responsible decision when it comes to sex? What about telling young men, high school students that if they get a girl pregnant they will be required to pay and parent the child? No more college or career opportunities. All money going towards raising child. Oh, and how to apply for child welfare and other assistance that republicans don’t want to pay for.
Svelaz, you need to stay away from children. You are dangerous.
Earlier, you didn’t even know that fathers can be forced to pay child support.
K-3 is not the time to educate children on sex. You probably were educated only about sexual matters and received the wrong education. That is why you act so dumb on the blog.
S. Meyer,
“ Svelaz, you need to stay away from children. You are dangerous.
Earlier, you didn’t even know that fathers can be forced to pay child support.
K-3 is not the time to educate children on sex. You probably were educated only about sexual matters and received the wrong education. That is why you act so dumb on the blog.”
As usual your reading comprehension skills betray you.
I never said anything about K-3. You did. I said, “ we should be teaching children at the earliest appropriate age about contraceptives?”
What part of “earliest appropriate age” did to have difficulty understanding?
“ Earlier, you didn’t even know that fathers can be forced to pay child support.”. I never implied that o didn’t. Enforcement of men paying for child support is wildly different in every state. That doesn’t negate the ability to teach teenagers the consequences of getting a girl pregnant as part of school curriculum. What about giving them the option of easily accessible plan B emergency contraceptives?
I’m sure they will ban such contraceptives after Roe is overturned.
“I never said anything about K-3. ”
Svelaz, you have a memory loss. You can’t remember what you said about the law DeSantis passed in Florida to stop teachers from promoting sexual material K-3.
Yes, you remain stupid.
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>> “Earlier, you didn’t even know that fathers can be forced to pay child support.”.
> I never implied that o didn’t.”
Here is what you recently told Cindy.
“Would you support forcing men to start paying child support once a pregnancy is determined? After all it is a whole independent person in that woman’s womb. Men should be required to start paying child support whether they are married or not. ”
Your ignorance is astounding. You know almost nothing.
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“I’m sure they will ban such contraceptives after Roe is overturned.
That won’t be happening, but stupid people will say such things.
Plan B is already readily available.
As is pretty much anything medication you want – without perscription regardless of government.
Can’t you figure out how to get Plan B or Amoxicillin or an 80% complete receiver on your own ?
I have no problem with Sex education for Teens – After they are proficient in the 3R’s.
That said there is no evidence Sex education has been beneficial.
The rate of Teen Pregnancies peaked in the US in 1956 – matching the peak of adult pregnancies.
Both have declined steadily since.
Like nearly every other policy of the left – there is no observable deviation in the downward trend of teen pregnancy rates that corresponds to sex education. I would further note that Teen and Adult pregnancy rates have continued to decline – regardless of abortion laws.
In fact the lowest rates of teen pregnancy are in the states with the least restrictive laws.
There is no statistical evidence that sex education reduces teen pregnancies.
There is no statistical evidence that restrictive (or liberal) abortion laws alters teen pregnancy rates.
If you wish to spend time teaching your children about sex – that is your prerogative.
But it is much more dubious for you to demand we take away from the limited resources of education time to inculcate information about sex that has no demonstrable benefit.
Your second to last sentence was “Women are such sheep.”
Anony: “Your second to last sentence was “Women are such sheep.”
I’m bad at math, so sue me. Oh wait ,,,to be inclusive and diverse make that:
“So, Sioux me”.
Cindy, no pro-life groups are advocating punishment or legislation targeting men’s responsibilities. None.
Would you support forcing men to start paying child support once a pregnancy is determined? After all it is a whole independent person in that woman’s womb. Men should be required to start paying child support whether they are married or not. Require they take classes in child care and not be allowed to disown them until 21 years of age.
Surely that would be fair given that a woman would be forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term on her own. Let the man carry that burden too by state decree. No?
Svelaz……..Park your turnip truck and pay attention when I say that of course men should take responsibility as well. Of course! And fortunately DNA testing is so advanced. now.
I’m not a member of any group. I’m just one of those critical thinkers that the Dems hate, because they can’t control
YES. Men should be required to pay child support, and have visitation. Women would be forced to name the father, or forfeit all government aide
Wow.
Cindy, it’s truly disgusting that you’d say “no wonder we’re still second class menstruating people,” as if women are responsible to being second class citizens.
Do some women sometimes make stupid or “sheep”-like decisions? Sure. Some men ALSO sometimes make stupid or “sheep”-like decisions, but I don’t see you advocating that men be second class citizens because of it.
Women AND men sometimes do things that are irresponsible. ALL forms of birth control sometimes fail. Women and girls are sometimes raped, including incest. Couples sometimes have abortions with wanted pregnancies. Can bring yourself to read about them: https://twitter.com/wtadler/status/1521167627833552899 ? Women and girls still die or have serious long-term health complications from pregnancy.
But you’re not honest enough to discuss the actual complex issue. For you, it’s just “they obviously can’t responsibly control themselves.” Choose to act like a thinking adult and discuss the actual complexity of this complex issue.
Anonymous………..Because of your instability re: human life, and your outrageous indoctrination by Democrats, someday you’ll probably get an automatic weapon and open fire inside an orphanage, because hey! those children were unwanted, as well.
Bottom line? Seek help now!
Cindy, I wanted to wish you a happy Mother’s day. Today while at Catholic Mass, our pastor asked all of the mother’s to stand to receive a blessing. I thought of you, Karen and all of the mother’s on this forum.
Blessings
Estovir….How thoughtful…So lovely,,,,.Thank you!!
Cindy………..Because of your instability when it comes to truthfulness, and your outrageous indoctrination by Republicans, you’d rather lie about me than have a truthful, good-faith discussion of a complex issue.
Seek help yourself.
A woman with a boldly stated, unapologetic, non-wishy washy, crystal clear opinion is such a beautiful thing to behold.
Responsible women make that decision every day. Then they take the steps to make that a reality. Irresponsible women simply act like the brood mare and then later decide whether they want to be a mother.
A mare that doesn’t produce foals is not a broodmare, so … no.
Anonymous ……..well, the pro-abortion, hysterical Aunt PittyPats, who are starving for relevance, and roaming our streets, are Night-mares!
Olly……..exactly.
All children who’ve been born have a right to be cared for, but an infant does not have right to insist that the care come from its biological mother.
Which is why states have Safe Haven laws that enable a parent who is unable or unwilling to care for their infant to safely give up custody of their baby, no questions asked.
Slavery, diversity [dogma] (e.g. racism, sexism, ageism), redistributive change, homicide and reproductive rites are state issues.
The SCOTUS leaker may not have considered the impact of the timing that abortion is in the news on Mother’s Day. God works in mysterious ways!
For once I agree with David Gergen: it’s time for the old guard, on both sides of the aisle, to step aside. Not to mention our president, but that’s a whole other story. Why would McConnell make such an inflammatory statement in a moment when a single match could set off a five alarm fire? Aside from which, the argument has always been that abortion should be up to the states. Suddenly now it’s a federal issue? What happened? Late term abortion is a horrible thing. But some states are now making laws that give such a short window that a woman might not even know she was pregnant before the abortion deadline. With all the anti and post-contraception options available now, abortion rates are dropping. Now is not the time to throw a lifeline to the left before the November mid-terms. Especially on a weekend when abortion rights activists are itching for confrontation.
My guess is because he doesn’t want a bunch of new Republicans taking seats in November who would disrupt his authority.
Eliminating Roe has been a rallying cry for the Republicans for decades. With that gone McConnell is worried the enthusiasm for electing Republicans might diminish. In many races, even a 1-2% decrease in voter participation on one side could swing the election. He is floating the idea of making a national abortion ban the new cause.
Although I am a conservative, republican and generally anti abortion (only exceptions being to save the mother’s life, rape, and incest) I would not support Mr McConnell on this. If the Roe vs Wade is overturned and the issue returns to the states, then let it stay there. I do not propose to tell New York and California and other Blue states how to live and run their states, I just choose to not live there. I would also not like their input on my state’s life and values. We are a Federal Republic and constitutional originalism would demand we shrink an already overwhelming federal government and let each state run it’s affairs. The states are closer to the people and hear their voices far more clearly than a distant federal government. You may not agree with each state’s decisions but you must constrain yourself and agree to disagree and leave it alone. If people love your state and it’s life then they will come, if they don’t they will leave. Please leave us that option. Time for Mitch to retire back to Kentucky.
GEB: Nice comment, as usual. But perhaps McConnell was referring to federal AID for abortions, and updating the Hyde Amendment?
I fully agree. The case is not about abortion but about federalism. Hopefully, we get more push-back to the overreach of Washington when it comes to national law-making that should be the purview of the states. McConnell’s statement is foolish as well and may just through gasoline on the fire of the upcoming ‘Summer of Love’. Members of Congress should only be allowed to serve 2 terms. I support the position that the geriatric community seems to have a hold on many positions of power. It’s time for McConnell to go and also for Pelosi and Feinstein and all other 80+ members of Congress who are ‘serving their country’ for more than 30 years filling their own pockets.
Is there no issue on which Mitch McConnell does not issue stupid, unnecessary statements? Or maybe he’s TRYING to throw the mid-term elections?
The court is pretty clearly saying that abortion is a states issue. What does he gain by not leaving it at that? Or is his dementia kicking in, too?
The premise of this post is that Republicans are telling the truth that they want it to be a state issue and they would keep the filibuster. Given the recent history of the Republicans there is no reason to believe either.
What recent history is that? Trump urged Republican Senators to eliminate the filibuster while they had the majority and they refused.
The unwillingness of the Rs to kill the legislation filibuster during Trump is an argument that they might not. But they have also gotten more extreme since then. And Trump wanted them to do it for relatively bills. For something as monumental as a national abortion ban they might just do it.
You said recent history indicates they are lying about the filibuster. The recent history indicates precisely the opposite. What recent history do you mean?
Few things. 1. Confirming a new justice a few weeks before the election when the previously would not 8 months before an election. 2. The eagerness for them to abandon all norms and reason with their election fraud lies.3. It seems that their “Win at all costs” mentality has gone way up.
The film 2000 Mules shows otherwise. The left stole the election. The numbers involved in ballot trafficking in just a few cities completely changed the election. Please note that I am talking about ballot trafficking, not harvesting, which might be legal in certain states. The film doesn’t deal with questionable issues or questionable numbers. It deals with ballot trafficking that is illegal and shows phone tracking, videos, witnesses etc., that the left engaged in the greatest theft ever. They stole the 2020 election based only on the limited number of ballot trafficking seen in very few areas.
Fact check on your movie:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/05/05/fact-checking-2000-mules-the-movie-alleging-ballot-fraud/
Your article like almost all that you say was debunked in previous responses. I will repeat those responses. Note how ATS is too afraid to use an alias. He hides himself like the mules but like the mules we can track his responses.
The article from ATS is typical. A lot of hyperbole but no facts.
“Ballot harvesting” is a pejorative term for dropping off completed ballots for people besides yourself. The practice is legal in several states but largely illegal in the states”
FALSE
The mules engaged in ballot trafficking, which is illegal in all states. Ballot harvesting, legal in some states, has to do with taking a limited number of ballots from family members or dependent people directly to the dropbox.
That was not done! The ballots were picked up from a central source (ILLEGAL) and then transported to drop boxes in ILLEGAL numbers. There was no relationship between the mule and the one voting, which was also illegal.
This was BALLOT TRAFFICKING which is ILLEGAL in all fifty states.
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“The film contains no evidence of such payments in other states in 2020.”
The evidence is overwhelming, including videos, whistleblowers, and people interviewed who didn’t know what was happening but filled in the empty pieces about what was happening with the ballots.
It was BALLOT TRAFFICKING WHICH IS ILLEGAL IN ALL 50 STATES.
Again: if you have evidence that someone broke a law, turn it over to law enforcement.
But don’t pretend that cell phone location data tells you that “ballots were picked up from a central source (ILLEGAL) and then transported to drop boxes in ILLEGAL numbers.” The only way that you can prove that is with video or eye-witness testimony. Don’t pretend that cellphone data tells you that someone is wearing gloves.
If they gathered evidence of crimes, ALL of it should be turned over to LE, but don’t pretend that “They gave the police the information, and THE criminal [singular] was arrested” generalizes to other cases.
The evidence has been turned over to law enforcement, but we do not live in a country where the law is supreme. We have repeatedly seen Democrats blocking the execution of the law even when the offenses are on video. Not only that but violent criminals are being let out of jail by Democrat leaders. At the same time, murderers, rapists and drug runners come over our southern border with complete support from our Democrat leaders. They don’t care about the 100,000 who die from drugs let in by the Biden administration.
According to you, the summer rioting didn’t exist, and what did happen was paid for by the perpetrators. They all paid the price. You are full of BS, and everyone knows it. According to you, criminals are not being left out without bail despite our VP supporting such actions. You lie and lie on top of lies.
There is no doubt that the election was stolen. Note how you produce hit pieces and then claim there are explanations, but you can’t defend those explanations. You are a liar and a deceiver.
“Don’t pretend that cellphone data tells you that someone is wearing gloves.”
Idiot, the cameras showed the people taking off their gloves after depositing the ballots. Is it coincidental that everyone started wearing gloves after a person was prosecuted based on fingerprint evidence? You like to lie and obfuscate.
“”They gave the police the information, and THE criminal [singular] was arrested”
That demonstrates how accurate their tracking was.
We are all waiting for an argument of yours that holds water, but all we hear are lies and deceit.
Everyone, see 2000 Mules and pass it on whether you are Democrat or Republican, whether you like Trump or Biden. The nation requires free elections for the people to remain free. It is a matter of American survival the way we know it.
S.Meyer…..Thank you for the Mule movie info! And thank you for your kind words about me.
Again, I am debunking misinformation from the article linked by nonother than ATS.
“Plus, experts say cellphone location data, even at its most advanced, can only reliably track a smartphone within a few meters — not close enough to know whether someone actually dropped off a ballot or just walked or drove nearby.”
One doesn’t repeatedly go by drop boxes in the middle of the night 10 times, suddenly wearing gloves to prevent fingerprint detection.
Cellphone location data was good enough that their data located a criminal who performed a criminal act where they were checking pings. They gave the police the information, and the criminal was arrested. So much for this type of garbage from the left.
“There’s always a pretty healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.”
But the uncertainty disappears as the number of times at the dropbox and the center increases. That is why they didn’t use only three events. They used ten times which would be a far outlier. Videos and other information fill in more of the details.
The quote is uneducated. The commenter should see the film and stop parroting what the left wants to hear. He needs to state the truth.
“What’s more, ballot drop boxes are often intentionally placed in busy areas, such as college campuses, libraries, government buildings and apartment complexes — increasing the likelihood that innocent citizens got caught in the group’s dragnet, Striegel said.”
3 AM in the morning would be unusual.
“Similarly, there are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might be visiting both a nonprofit’s office and one of those busy areas. ”
Would they end up at a ballot box ten times? Of course not. One needs to see the film because the data debunk these bogus statements.
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“A video of a voter dropping off a stack of ballots at a drop box is not itself proof of any wrongdoing, since most states have legal exceptions that let people drop off ballots on behalf of family members and household members.”
But that means they take the ballot directly from the person to the ballot box, or the ballot becomes illegal. They were taking ballots from an illegal center. That is known as BALLOT TRAFFICKING.
They were BALLOT TRAFFICKING which is illegal in all 50 states.
“And True the Vote did not get surveillance footage of drop boxes in Philadelphia, so the group based this claim solely on cellphone ”
So, according to the article, Philadelphia was the exception, and the other places proved the film’s argument. There was further evidence in Philadelphia. Cameras at ballot boxes are not the only cameras available. But that provides the question, where were the cameras and what happened to the film? It sounds like there was even more unlawful activity going on in Philadelphia.
I don’t think I need to debunk more of this article. Everyone needs to see the film for themselves. ATS will continue to deceive and lie, but he can’t do that to people armed with the truth.
S. Meyer, you didn’t debunk anything. You just spouted nonsense about cameras and pings and everything else in the most nonsense way possible. You sound like a 5th grader trying to make an argument. You even contradict yourself in your own argument.
You’re just digging a rabbit hole of assumptions and claiming them as facts.
You are writing without even thinking about what was said. That is not unexpected because you are unable to deal with data. What was it I said that was untrue? What was it in the article that wasn’t debunked? What do you know about phone tracking? What do you know about videos that record violations of the law? Do you know the difference between ballot harvesting and ballot trafficking (illegal)? Of course not. You are the blog’s fool who makes stupid people feel more comfortable about their own lacks.
Svelaz, let’s start with sentence one above.
“One doesn’t repeatedly go by drop boxes in the middle of the night 10 times, suddenly wearing gloves to prevent fingerprint detection.”
What is it that you do not understand?
You are a nincompoop.
S. Meyer,
“ You are writing without even thinking about what was said.”
LOL!! You didn’t say anything substantive. All you did was go an a nonsense rant pretending to know you understand what you’re trying to argue.
What are “lacks”? Are you making up words now?
If Roe/Casey is overruled, this matter should be left to the States. As Turley has written, it is uncertain whether the Federal government is empowered by the Constitution to ban or permit abortion nationally.
One thing Congress might usefully do is pass a law prohibiting a State from punishing anyone who goes to another State to get an abortion that is lawful in that other State, as well as anyone who assists. This would clearly be within the power of Congress under the Commerce Clause. This could help defuse the issue, except for the extremes on both sides.
9th Amendment rights should not be left to the states.
14th Amendment rights should not be left to the states.
A good discussion from historians on the actual history of abortion rights, which Alito misrepresented in his draft:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/19/19-1392/192957/20210920133840569_19-1392%20bsac%20Historians.pdf
One thing is for certain- abortion laws will polarize this country further into pro-abortion and anti-abortion states. The anti-abortion states will not sit tight to allow its citizens to travel across state lines to get an abortion. They inevitably will criminalize women aborting their fetuses for murder.
They only good thing about the states deeming a fetus as a person is that a pregnant woman can drive alone in carpool lanes.
Your last sentence indicates that you have a sense of humor, Jeff.
Quite the opposite. If fetuses are people, and women can be charged with murder for having an abortion, then there is no legal justification for denying fetuses personhood for other reasons. Fetuses should count for the census, be dependents on tax forms, people should be able to drink at age 20 years and 3 months, and so on.
There are no pro life members of the Republican Party in Congress. If there were we would have, among other things, universal health care, good solid anti pollution laws, fair wage law, solid social support networks as well as prenatal care for all and many other things. Anti choice Republicans are anti women…yes even the women….not because they care about life but because they care about power. Susan Collins ins an unreliable and false ally to pro choice women and men. She is ultimately a Republican.
Look up the history of when and how the GOP decided being anIt choice was a good political tool and your find Richard Nixon, Pat Buchanan and a power hungry RCC hierarchy that was loosing its grip on its parishioners and wanted federal money. It’s not a pretty sight and there are no high morals involved just a love of money and power.
” If there were we would have……”
Did you miss the part that Republicans do not control the House, the Senate, or the Presidency? They have no ability to deliver any of the things on your social wish list.
And you propose further taking money away from working Americans and using it on government funded (read “corrupt, inefficient”) welfare programs. No thanks.
JH
Help find those powers in the Constitution.
Federal legislation only can act with enumerated powers.
So a pro-life Republican would be a Democrat – gotcha. The one-party state of your dreams
Which enumerated power lets the National govt regulate abortion?
McConnell showed a small sliver of honesty from a polititician,
To me, His intent was a message to Democrats, and their National legislation legalizing abortion. McConnell is telling Pelosi. “be careful of what you wish for. If abortion becomes a National is the issue, opens the door for republicans ,that could have veto proof majorities in 16 months.
Just one thought on the topic it’s time for Mitch to be replaced. No one really knows for sure what a final draft will say in light of the low life who disturbed the process but Mitch must be replaced.
Yeah. He’s spending too much energy just saying stupid, unhelpful things.
Finally, something that you and I agree on!
Why feed into this frenzy over a ruling that hasn’t even issued yet?? If R v W is overturned, it becomes a State issue where it should be. The Federal Government has no need or right to get involved. BTW I am a Conservative.
Never happen. Mitch is just trying to send Chuck over the edge with a fit of apoplexy
Which I understand and approve, Chuck is such a despicable low life.
Listening to President Biden the other day as he referred to people who voted for Trump as being among the most extreme group of evildoers in modern American history, it struck me that he is little more than the President of the Democratic Party. As for Senators Schumer, Warren, etc., they have told us out loud that the Senate is a legislative body composed solely of Democrats. Recall how they complained that Senators Manchin and Sinema were nothing more than 2 rogue outliers who were holding back the majority. The fact that there were 50 Republicans who were in alignment with Manchin and Sinema (i.e., 52-48) was beyond the Democrats’ comprehension.
What seems to have emerged is a body of politicians who see our nation as a single party government beset by politically illegitimate interlopers and a populous composed of dangerous, uneducated, and unwanted pseudo citizens.
Biden, in response to a question about the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization case: “this is about a lot more than abortion. … What are the next things that are going to be attacked? Because this MAGA crowd is really the most extreme political organization that’s existed in American history — in recent American history.”
You say “he referred to people who voted for Trump as being among the most extreme group of evildoers in modern American history,” but that’s not true.
First, Biden wasn’t talking about all Trump voters, as many Trump voters don’t consider themselves part of the MAGA crowd. Second, while Biden did call “the MAGA crowd” “extreme,” he did not say or imply that they’re “evildoers.”
Your claim that “As for Senators Schumer, Warren, etc., they have told us out loud that the Senate is a legislative body composed solely of Democrats” is also false. They haven’t said anything like that.
Your claim that “What seems to have emerged is a body of politicians who see our nation as a single party government beset by politically illegitimate interlopers and a populous composed of dangerous, uneducated, and unwanted pseudo citizens” applies as much to Republicans as it does to Democrats — specifically, the extremists in both parties may believe this, but many in both parties do not.