Below is my column in The Messenger on the Georgia indictment. As expected, the indictment is a sweeping racketeering based prosecution involving former president Donald Trump and the 18 other defendants. The scope of the alleged conspiracy is massive. ย “The call” is one of those steps but the famous line that has occupied hours of coverage (and led to the investigation) is not the central allegation. Indeed, every call, speech, and tweet appears a criminal step in the conspiracy. District Attorney Fani Willis appears to have elected to charge everything and everyone and let God sort them out.
Here is the column from yesterday before the release of the indictment:
“Oh Georgia, no peace I find (no peace I find).”
Thoseย lyricsย made famous by the late, great Ray Charles could have been written for former president Donald Trump this week as he awaits his expected fourth indictment. The long-anticipated indictment by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is expected in the coming days and will focus on alleged election tampering and related offenses in the 2020 presidential election.
If indictments were treated like frequent flyer miles, Donald Trump would get the Georgia indictment for free. However, it will be anything but costless. Regardless of the merits, it will magnify both the cost and complications for Trump.
Like the New York indictment, a Georgia indictment would not be subject to a presidential pardon. Not only have GOP candidates indicated that they would pardon Trump on any federal charges if elected to the presidency, Trump could pardon himself (including a preemptive pardon before trial) if elected โ but that power does not reach state convictions.
As with Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, many view Willis as a Democratic prosecutor pursuing the highly unpopular former president. However, given the three grand juries and the three years that have passed, Willis may have found new evidence or witnesses that could tie Trump to criminal conduct in seeking to challenge the results in the election.
Thus far, the focus has been onย the controversial call that Trump had with Georgia officialsย โ a call widely cited as indisputable evidence of an effort at voting fraud. Yet, the call was similar to a settlement discussion, as state officials and the Trump team hashed out their differences and a Trump demand for a statewide recount. Trump had lost the state by less than 12,000 votes. That might be what he meant when he stated, โI just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.โ
While others have portrayed the statement as a raw call for fabricating the votes, it seems more likely that Trump was swatting back claims that there was no value to a statewide recount by pointing out that he wouldnโt have to find a statistically high number of votes to change the outcome of the election. It is telling that many politicians and pundits refuse to even acknowledge that obvious alternate meaning.
For Trump’s part, he is not helping with his signature, all-caps social media attacks.
In addition to attacking Willis for a supposedlyย “racist” and “unethical” past,ย Trump recently declared that Willis “wants to indict me for a perfect phone call; this was even better than my perfect call on Ukraine.โ I haveย previously disagreed with the claimed perfection of that Ukraine call, the subject of Trumpโs first impeachment. However, neither call needs to be โperfectโ to be protected.
The importance made of the call in the likely Georgia indictment will be one of the greatest “tells” as to what Willis has in terms of evidence. If the call is a critical linchpin to the prosecution, it will look like a political stunt out of the Bragg-school of prosecution.
There have also beenย storiesย indicating that Willis is focusing on connections of Trump team members like Rudy Giuliani to a “breach” of the voting system on Jan. 7, 2021. The team was seeking access to the voting machines to show that they could be compromised or manipulated. Text messages state that the team secured an “invitation” to examine the machines in Coffee County.
That “invitation” wasย reportedlyย from a Coffee County elections official, who also reportedlyย claimed, incorrectly, that votes could be “easily” flipped from Trump to Biden.
Coffee County was also discussed as an example of voting irregularities to justify a proposedย draft executive order to seize voting machines. However, that order was never sent out.
The problem is that these messages also apparently refer to “voluntary access” and that may have been what was conveyed to Trump. One messageย reads: โMost immediately, we were just granted access โ by written invitation! โ to Coffee Countyโs systems. Yay!โ
Yet, the Coffee County allegations highlight another risk in the Georgia prosecution. There areย clearly a number of peopleย beyond Trump who are being targeted, including his lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell. Indictments can unnerve associates who lack the money or support of Trump. That can lead to flipping key figures to offer state evidence.
The greatest challenge for Georgia is to offer a discernible limiting principle on when challenges in close elections are permissible and when they are criminal. There is a relatively short period between the presidential election in November and counting of electoral votes in January. That means that challenges are often made on incomplete data or unresolved allegations. Generally, candidates are suing election officials who control the machines, data, and other evidence needed to make a case. They often (as they did in 2020) resist demands for access to evidence.
That is not to excuse the claims made by the Trump team. In the coverage after the election, Iย criticized both sides. I could not understand how many experts were declaring that there was no evidence of voting irregularities a day after the election, before any data were available. However, I also said that the Trump campaign had failed to supply such evidence in critical court filings. I also publicly disagreed with Trump’s fraud claims.
It is important for campaigns to seek judicial review of election challenges without fear of prosecution. Someย Democratic lawyers after 2020ย made their own controversial (and unsuccessful) allegations of machines flipping or altering election outcomes. No one suggested that they should be criminally charged or disbarred.
The pile-on of prosecutions could create a chilling effect for campaigns in seeking recounts and reviews in close elections. That does not mean that there may not be evidence of knowing fraud or criminal wrongdoing. However, another anemic filing like the one in New York will only fuel the deep political divisions and unrest in the country. It needs to be clearly based on a desire for justice, rather than “just deserts.”
For Trump, of course, he may feel that (as Ray Charles sang) it always seems that “the road leads back to you” for Democratic prosecutors. That itself is not a problem so long as the road is both straight and well laid.
Jonathan Turley, an attorney, constitutional law scholar and legal analyst, is the Shapiro Chair for Public Interest Law at The George Washington University Law School.
“And now perhaps the least surprising news story of the week. A Russian court has sentenced opposition leader Alexei Navalny to 19 years in prison for what officials call supporting extremism. [. . .] ‘You, not me, are being frightened [wrote Navalny] and deprived of the will to resist. You are being forced to surrender your country of Russia without a fight to the gang of traitors, thieves and scoundrels who have seized power.'”
(https://www.npr.org/2023/08/05/1192343989/russian-dissident-alexei-navalny-has-been-sentenced-to-19-more-years-of-prison)
Oh, did I just mix the countries?
Mike Davis ๐บ๐ธ
@mrddmia
Dear @Jim_Jordan:
Obviously, Democrat Fulton County DA Fani Willis is colluding with the Biden Justice Department, including Jack Smith, to help elect Biden by interfering in the 2024 presidential election.
Please subpoena their communications.
___________________________________________
A loquacious Fani Willis clams up when asked if sheโs been in contact with Jack Smith.
That means, yes.
Julie Kelly ๐บ๐ธ
@julie_kelly2
DOJ has so far arrested and charged more than 1,100 American citizens on bogus charges for protesting Joe Bidenโs bogus election more than 2 1/2 years ago. DC US Atty Matt Graves, a Biden apparatchik, is STILL arresting people every week.
Yes ๐ republic.
As long as the left-wing Marxist zealots have control of our Government, we will be divided by class or race or religion by the Deep State media and pitted against each other to preserve their stolen political power.
@Liz_Wheeler
“This is the progression:
First they come for Trump.
Then they come for people associated with Trump.
Then they come for conservatives speaking opinions they donโt like.
The goal all along has been criminalization of free speech.
These leftists are evil.”
Make sure you understand what we are up against. These leftists are evil. EVIL.
THIS….1,000%……this ——->
Mike Davis ๐บ๐ธ
@mrddmia
Dear House Republicans:
Democrat prosecutors and other politicians have forced Trump’s aides, his supporters, and many other conservatives to spend a lot of money on lawyers.
Where the hell are your impeachment inquiries of Biden and Garland?
Where the hell are your subpoenas?
“DEVELOPING: DC super-lawyer Abbe Lowell has stepped in to to take over Hunter Biden’s criminal defense from Chris Clark, who threatened prosecutors; tricked a clerk into taking down IRS whistleblowers’ transcripts from court website; & tried to fool the judge by misquoting a case.”
@paulsperry
I had a visit with a world class computer engineer who is on the cutting edge of machine learning research. I told him the joke about the A.I program that watched 30 minutes of main stream American news and turned into an illiterate moron. He nearly fell out of his chair in laughter.
(I got this from Babylon Bee and changed it a little bit as they used CNN as the example)
โwatched 30 minutes of main stream American news and turned into an illiterate moron.โ
A classic chicken/egg scenario.
LMAO
โโฆas reported by NBC.โโโGigi
Daisy, Daisy Gรvฮฃ Mฤ ฮซฮ ฮ ฮฉลชะฏ วผNล ะฉฮญะหหหฤล….spurt…
{halts and catches fire}
Thank you Joe Biden. While you kill Americans and try to interfere with elections:
—
Border agents seize enough lethal drugs this fiscal year to kill more than 6 billion people
These amounts are greater than what was seized in all of fiscal 2022.
FBI tipped off Biden presidential transition team to Hunter Biden interview: ex-agent
“This essentially tipped off a group of 16 people very close to President Biden and Hunter Biden and gave this group an opportunity to obstruct the approach of the witness,” the unnamed agent said.
A massive storm cloud comprised of fed-up, working-class Americans of all races is on the horizon. Leftists everywhere will rue the day they decided to turn a blind eye to sky-high prices for food, housing, and transportation, out-of-control illegal immigration, sex trafficking of women and children, international trafficking of fentanyl, transgender surgery on children, violent crime on our streets, government censorship of its citizens, government spying on its citizens, government officials accepting tens of millions of dollars in bribes, government officials spending tens of billions of dollars on foreign wars, government officials subsidizing corporations that manufacture products in China, and government officials putting their political adversaries in prison.
Superb video. The deep state got Nixon and what did the deep state do to Trump?
What was Nixonโs counter revolution?
And more.
From Christopher Rufo
Nixon forever.
Alan, as I recall, Republicans took part in the Watergate hearings, and they too were disturbed by Nixon’s total lack of scruples.
But then again, Republicans of the Nixon era were considerably saner than today’s GOP.
Differences of opinion are ok, hypocrites are not, and neither are people that cannot keep a singular name. That is cowardly, but you already know that and realize it every time you change your name.
You missed the video’s point, but that too is not surprising.
Bidenโs corruption and lack of scruples make Nixon and almost anyone else look pure.
Is JT so quick to defend mob bosses that use free speech to ask their underlings to help a cohort go swim with the fishes?
How about every bank robber in the country telling the teller to just load as. many $100 bills into this bag? It’s just speech right?
How about every rapist telling their victim to just enjoy it? It’s fun isn’t it? And besides, after the rapist told her she could swim either swim with the fist or have fun, she said yes, please rape me. Free speech.
Virtually every crime on the books has an element of speech. Get over it, trump its a fool and all you trumpets look like fools. Just wait til the drugs wear off, you will all be wondering why the heck you followed this narcissist fool to his doom.
OK, big mouth Dennis, we will start with this one…
“Democrats also support the use of forceโbut for quite different reasonsโ” —-Dennis
“The only guy who is inviting violence these days is DJT!” —-Dennis
Both of these statements were in a single post.
One of them is a lie.
This gets posted above and below every post you make until you answer to it, then I will move on to your next lie.
Trump supporters have so many holes in them from standing on 5th Avenue that Trump can reload, and shoot some more, and they still say, nothing to see here.
Hey GigiโจDo you still think Texas makes electricity from crude oil???
Best stop cutting and pasting from your daily democrat talking points email.
Texas Electricity by type
Natural gas 46%
Wind 23%
Coal 18%
Nuclear 11%
Solar 2%
๐๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐๐ก๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ญ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ฅ๐จ๐๐ค๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฉ ๐๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ข๐๐๐ง๐ญ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง
Does the Constitution permit Donald Trump to be on the 2024 Presidential ballot? The question arises because of a long-neglected part of the 14th Amendment. Section Three provides that no person can hold political office if, having taken an oath to support the Constitution as a state or federal official, they โengaged in insurrection or rebellion. …
By: Kermit Roosevelt III ~ August 15, 2023
https://time.com/6305003/trump-indictment-14th-amendment/
Article’s Point/Counter-Point:: U.S. Const. amend. XIV, ยง 3
Argument:
๐๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฉ ๐๐ฌ ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ข๐๐ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ง ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐จ๐ญ๐ฌ
Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment bans anyone from holding any federal office who has taken an oath to uphold the Constitution and who then breaks that oath by engaging in “insurrection or rebellion against the same.” Donald J. Trump is precisely such a person.
Steven Calabresi | 8.10.2023 6:44 PM
[Link://] reason.com/volokh/2023/08/10/trump-is-disqualified-from-being-on-any-election-ballots/
๐๐ก๐ ๐๐ฐ๐๐๐ฉ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ ๐จ๐ซ๐๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ก๐ซ๐๐
172 U. PA. L. REV. (forthcoming 2024)
William Baude & Michael Stokes Paulsen ~ August 14th 2023
[PDF://] papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID4532751_code398074.pdf?abstractid=4532751&mirid=1&type=2
Counterargument:
๐๐ซ๐จ๐. ๐๐ข๐๐ก๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐๐๐จ๐ง๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ฅ, ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฉ๐จ๐ง๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ญ๐๐๐ง๐ญ๐ก ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง๐๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ, “๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ซ๐๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง,” ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฉ
[Link://] reason.com/volokh/2023/08/12/prof-michael-mcconnell-responding-about-the-fourteenth-amendment-insurrection-and-trump/
USC Hangs in the Balance: Show the world exactly where VSGPOTUSDJT was charged with “insurrection” or “treason” or “sedition.” Your mental masturbation is blowing up on yourself.
Meanwhile, the evidence is stacking up and the momentum is mounting against the Biden Family bribery operation. The investigation is getting too close to the President so the bloodhounds have been deployed in a no holds barred political war using the weaponized, malignant legal system.
The best way to get rid of a headache is to drop a cinder block on the toes.
This is a psychological operation in full motion.
Seriously question. How does this not end in violent Revolution?
“Seriously question. How does this not end in violent Revolution?”
The Answer is:
Ignore Them Completely.
Don’t talk to them,
Don’t listen to them,
Don’t respond to them,
Don’t buy from them,
Don’t deal with them,
Don’t do anything for them,
Walk Away,
Like They don’t exist.
But is that practical? I think it’s gone too far.
The answer is: it gets resolved in court, not via violence.
zz, hopefully it won’t. But if it does it will be a quick one since Leftists abhor the thought of owning their own weapons.
So all gun crimes are carried out by those on the right, got it.
ATF recently said 700 million guns in circulation. It’s not going to end well.
Itโs a looming threat and my greatest fear. You can see the storm clouds forming but are paralyzed to escape.
They had better evidence in the Salem Witch Trials.
The comments to the esteemed Professors posts would be more pleasant to read if the trolls on BOTH sides would comment on the actual content than just inserting their own pro and anti Trump spins.
Oyez, oyez, oyez! The Commander of Speech issues an edict in the land of Freedom of Speech.
Professor Turley and the Blog Sergeant at Arms have the power, ability, and discretion to admonish and edit comprehensively on this private property blog, in addition to the constitutional power to solely “claim and exercise” dominion over it.
The Unrealistic persecution of Donald Trump has been going on since the announcement of his original candidacy
And now it’s pinnacle is soon to be reached. It is absolutely historic in its Totality.
It stopped being “Politics’ long ago, when the Freight Train came off Rails and careened through the American landscape.
” … prosecutions could create a chilling effect for campaigns in seeking recounts and reviews …”
What the DEM-DOJ is realy saying by this action is:
๐๐จ๐ง’๐ญ ๐๐ฎ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ฎ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ, … ๐๐ฏ๐๐ง ๐ข๐ or ๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ.
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Turley stopped being a columnist when he drank the kool-aid.
You don’t need to be a law professor to know forging fake documents claiming to be something you’re not and sending them to the national archives isn’t legal.
It happened in 7 states. It goes higher than Georgia.
Democrats used alternate electors in Hawaii in 1960. It has happened on other occasions.
Trump will still end up in a Georgia prison that doesnโt have air conditioning.
Hey GigiโจDo you still think Texas makes electricity from crude oil???
Best stop cutting and pasting from your daily democrat talking points email.
Texas Electricity by type
Natural gas 46%
Wind 23%
Coal 18%
Nuclear 11%
Solar 2%
With his Secret Service Detail.
Upvote — but unfortunately it appears that the trolls on both sides take a plea to stop their ridiculous trolling and petty squabblng as an invitation to do more of it. There are WAY too many people in this comment section that have ZERO intention of knocking it off, and are deluded into believing that others are interested in their moronic feuds.
Some of the larger towns in West Texas have days when it is not only 100% renewables, but they are exporting and abundance of renewable energy.
The reason why Coffee County invited Trumps team to inspect their machines is because SOS Raffenseberger turned a blind eye to – at minimum – obvious deficiencies in Dominion machines – and at worst widespread voter fraud. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/12/10/election_workers_in_coffee_county_georgia_demonstrate_dominion_voting_machine_flaws.html
Did they also turn a blind eye to the election interference by the FBI et al.?