New Jersey’s Democrat Gov. Phil Murphy is pushing back on a plan to fly undocumented immigrants to his state, suggesting that New Jersey is now effectively off-limits to planned federal flights dropping off undocumented immigrants. It was a striking reversal for a politician who campaigned for office on the pledge that New Jersey will always be a sanctuary state. In 2017, he declared “We’ll be a sanctuary – not just city – but state.” However, it was easier to become a sanctuary state than a closed state. President Joe Biden’s authority trumps that of Murphy in the expected flights.
Notably, neither Murphy nor the media are alleging that Biden is “kidnapping” or “trafficking” in immigrants as has been the case with flights and buses sent by the governors of Texas and Florida.
Instead, Murphy (like other Democratic leaders of sanctuary cities and states) are simply declaring themselves effectively closed or, in the case of New York, shipping the immigrants to other cities.
There is a key legal distinction at play in these moves. States and cities can make themselves into sanctuary areas by passing a variety of laws supplying resources and easing burdens for undocumented persons. However, these federal flights can only be blocked under federal law. Presidents have considerable leeway under immigration laws and the Supreme Court has swatted down efforts by states to even enforce existing federal law. This authority preempts state authority in the area.
Murphy’s declaration followed a Biden administration disclosure of planned flights that include New Jersey’s Atlantic City International Airport among eleven facilities to receive undocumented persons.
Murphy said that he could not see how they could accept any such flights “in Atlantic City or frankly elsewhere in the state.”
Likewise, Republican Atlantic County Executive Dennis Levinson told Politico that “I will do my best to prevent this from happening. We can’t afford it. We’re a poor county. We’re one of the poorest counties in New Jersey. It’s not a burden I can put on our taxpayers.”
That opposition is a political rather than a legal matter short of some viable challenge under federal law. That seems highly unlikely since this is an ongoing federal programs as opposed to some new policy that might be subject to APA or other challenges. The Biden Administration could trigger even greater objections if it starts to ship these individuals to other states. In an election year, Biden may be leery of such political battles in purple states.
For the moment, the opposition of Murphy will likely have greater promise as a political rather than legal challenge.
Undocumented immigrants.. Call them what they are, Illegal Aliens. Continue to ship them to the Sanctuary Cities they need a lot of Biden reality.
..NY Gov. wants to expedite getting work permits for all.. but.. we’ve already sent most of our jobs abroad..!!! we need to re-try Martha’s Vineyard as all there commend the mass illegal entries.. yet.. wasted no time sending the busload that arrived there out to a military base in MA…………. let’s give Martha’s Vineyard a second chance..!!
The proper term is illegal immigrants. It is not illegal to be an alien in the United States. What is illegal is the manner of immigration. And by all means the government(s) experiencing this massive wave should take those who loudly trumpeted their welcome to illegal immigrants at their word, and send those unwelcome in their jurisdictions to those who said they wanted them.
Most people in the world are abused and oppressed by their governments which make them fully eligible for “asylum” in America, of course, at the expense of American taxpayers.
That is insane anti-American, pro-illegal alien invader, communist policy – policy for the benefit of illegal alien invaders – what country does that —-, conspires with and assists invaders?
What kind of idiotic Americans go along with this self-destructive claptrap.
You have been brainwashed, propagandized and suckered into giving everything you have away, no, giving other people’s money away – you may not even have any, which makes it real easy to spend the assets of others.
This completely stupid policy of self-destruction is precluded by the Constitution.
America drove right off the cliff when it stopped severely restricting and limiting the vote by each State – the whole American concept was self-governance through a severely limited and restricted vote – dependents, parasites and communists need not apply.
Turnout was 11.6% by design in 1789 – the election of the Founders, the last true American election – it has been all downhill ever since.
Here is a threefold solution:-
1) Rescind Hart-Celler, and in its place reinstate Johnson-Reed.
2) Revive Eisenhower’s policy: ‘Round them up, and throw them out.’
3) Consider paying legal immigrants to leave.
Our dem party is a regime, they don’t care about the law, and quote the law all you like; the law will not be applied to them while they hold power. What else is there to discuss? Seriously. That’s it. The question should now be: how do we get them out of power?
See the below comment if you have some brain cells you’d like to burn….vvvvv
Hey Dennis, remember this gem?
“Georgia could determine who is out next president. A TEAM of lawyers needs to watch them count every single VOTE. They can start in Fulton where we are having water leaks. What ballots are they throwing out? Georgia lets have an honest accounting. No stunts!”
Who’s post was that? Thats right, Fani Willis
“Left alone with big fat Fani, she was such a naughty nanny”
Jonathan: Ever see a chicken running around with its head cut off? I did one time. It was a shocking experience for a 10 year old from the big city. I was visiting my grandparents who lived out in the country. My grandmother told my grandfather: “We need a chicken for dinner”. My grandfather turned to me and said: “Com’on son, let’s go get a chicken”. I thought we were going to the supermarket. Instead, my grandpa took me out back to his large chicken coop full of chickens. He grabbed a chicken, took an axe and immediately chopped off its head and threw it on the ground. It ran around spewing blood from its neck and then dropped dead. At dinner that night my grandpa handed me the plate with the stuffed chicken. “Dig in”, he said. I declined saying: “Sorry, but I’m not hungry”.
Now I mention this childhood story because what is happening in Fulton County in DA Fani Willis’s case is very much like a bunch of chickens running around with their heads cut off. DJT’s 18 co-defendants are running around in different directions trying to flee from Fani’s axe–her sprawling RICO indictment. Each defendant has a different lawyer(s) and each wants a separate trial. They don’t want any association with the bad acts of DJT. Mark Meadows, as are others, is trying to flee to federal court. Ken Chesebro and Sidney Powell are asking for “speedy trials” under Georgia’s “rocket docket”. DJT doesn’t want a “speedy trial”. He wants to delay, delay and delay some more.
Chesebro wants to be tried alone. He doesn’t want to sit next to Sidney Powell in the courtroom because she was the really “crazy” one in the conspiracy. So he has filed a bizarre motion to sever his trial from Sidney’s. In his filing Chesebro claims he “never physically met Sidney Powell”; “never sent an email to Ms. Powell”; “never received an email from Ms. Powell”. etc., etc. Chesebro forgets some inconvenient facts. In a RICO case ALL defendants are responsible for the illegal acts of the others. Sounds harsh? Not really. Compare Chesebro’s predicament with a typical Mafia organized criminal conspiracy. One mob boss’s lieutenants works out of New Jersey. Another works in Las Vegas. Neither knows the other. The “Godfather” likes it that way. But both are part of a criminal enterprise and both are equally responsible for the acts of the other.
So what we are witnessing in Fulton County is chaos. Defendants are point their fingers at other defendants. The fake electors are pointing their fingers at DJT: “I was only following the orders of the boss”. That’s why I predict some co-defendants are going flip. Why be a sacrificial lamb (or chicken) for the boss who won’t even pay your legal bills? The only one enjoying this spectacle is, you guessed it, Fani Willis.
“That’s why I predict some co-defendants are going flip.”
Is that right, Dennis McInLiar? Because what you said yesterday was that it was because trump wouldnt pay their legal fees.
Another blatant lie from Dennis.
Well that took all of 5 minutes. I found the chicken/head analogy story that Dennis plagiarized, almost word for word. Its an article in The New Republic
Dang dude, have you no shame??
“what we are witnessing in Fulton County is chaos.”
Where are you witnessing this McInlyre, in your wet dreams?? I guess thats the royal “we” since you’re the only one who thinks anything is going on down here.
Or is the “we” you and Fani, the “first intelligent black woman in a courtroom”?
“My grandfather turned to me and said: “Com’on son,”
This explains a lot, but i do feel badly for your poor mom.
“Georgia could determine who is out next president. A TEAM of lawyers needs to watch them count every single VOTE. They can start in Fulton where we are having water leaks. What ballots are they throwing out? Georgia lets have an honest accounting. No stunts!”
——Fani Willis
Listen and learn, Dennis.
Hullbobby, the lt. governor of Massachusetts was asking private citizens to take illegal immigrants into their homes. We got plenty of room for people.
I’m sure your grandfather would be proud of what you’ve become.
Bob, let me know how many people let illegals into their home.
“Undocumented” regarding immigrants I have found to be an inaccurate word. The ones being given refuge status are not undocumented. Anyone from Mexico who entered the US illegally can receive a Mexican carnet which affords them the ability to do everything a passport would do. Some may not have documentation.. Seems today everyone is being given documentation at the border.
The intent and immigration law of the Founders was illegally and unconstitutionally abrogated.
Secession was not prohibited by the Constitution.
Lincoln’s act to deny secession was invalid, illegitimate, illicit, and unconstitutional.
Every subsequent act of Lincoln was and remains, as a corollary, invalid, illegitimate, illicit, and unconstitutional.
Lincoln’s abrogation of the intent and immigration law of the Founders, the Naturalization Act of 1802, was and remains invalid, illegitimate, illicit, and unconstitutional.
Just as the Constitution and Bill of Rights hold dominion in perpetuity, the immigration law and intent of the Founders must be restored with commensurate correction for Lincoln’s corruption, subversion, treason, and high criminal acts, commencing with his insurrectionist denial of secession.
Can anyone make sense of the post below? vvvvv
Tom, it looks like someone posted Whitman’s poem about Lincoln’s death, and since it was below George’s anti-Lincoln rant, I assume the poem was for George.
It is a beautiful poem about one of our greatest Presidents who preserved the Union by keeping it together. …..”From fearful trip, the victor ship, comes in with object won”;…..
Lol i thought it was posted by the lawn boy so that it would be between the posts from mcinlyre and mcintyre
And yet the very Supreme Court acted retroactively by 50 years to correct the wholly unconstitutional abortion-as-a-federal-right scam, Roe v. Wade, giving hope to a nation subjugated by a fraud, despot, and tyrant who achieved the heights of a resounding 39.8% “mandate” to kill one million Americans and destroy the vision of the Founders, all in the name of “Crazy Abe’s” ally, if not mentor, one Karl Marx, that the Supreme Court would similarly act retroactively by 150 years to correct Lincoln’s wholly unconstitutional “Reign of Terror” and the similarly illegitimate and unconstiuttional consequences.
Without doubt, those who founded America and framed the Constitution would have preferred to “support” the Constitution, as Justices are sworn by oath to do, and sacrificed the “united” aspect of the States until free markets settled issues and the States were once again reunited for their benefit after slavery withered on the vine, as they say.
In a society of laws, the Founders would have stood for the prevalence of adherence to those laws, rejecting the absolute and proven high criminality of Lincoln.
Abe Lincoln had nothing to do with Karl Marx. We discussed that before. A lot of your history and quotes make sense. Why destroy them with craziness about Abe Lincoln?
In answer to you following post, yes, I appreciate justice, and to add, I am happy the Supreme Court rectified the error of Roe v Wade.
You, sir, are ignorant, apparently, blissfully so – you still have not provided a citation for the prohibition of secession in the Constitution – why, because it does not exist.
Marx’s cohorts fled prosecution in Europe to New York and Illinois – communist were everywhere. Try reading some “Lincoln” history.
Abraham Lincoln was an anti-Constitution, anti-capitalist, pro-labor communist.
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“Reading Karl Marx with Abraham Lincoln” (excerpted)
Utopian socialists, German communists, and other republicans
https://isreview.org/issue/79/reading-karl-marx-abraham-lincoln/index.html
These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people.
—Abraham Lincoln, from his first speech as an Illinois state legislator, 1837
“Everyone now is more or less a Socialist.”
—Charles Dana, managing editor of the New York Tribune, and Lincoln’s assistant secretary of war, 1848
The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world.
—Karl Marx and the First International Workingmen’s Association to Lincoln, 1864
ON DECEMBER 3, 1861, a former one-term congressman, who had spent most of the past dozen years studying dissident economic theories, mounting challenges to the existing political order and proposing ever more radical responses to the American crisis, delivered his first State of the Union address as the sixteenth president of the United States.
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Well, there can surely be no connection, no tangible link between Abraham Lincoln, the log cabin–born, rail-splitting, archetypal nineteenth-century American and founding Republican, and Karl Marx, the bearded, brooding, archetypal “European” and proud socialist plotter.
Unless, of course, we bother to examine the tattered copies of the American outlet for Marx’s revolutionary preachments during the period when Lincoln was preparing to leave the political wilderness and make his march to the presidency. That journal, the New York Tribune, was the most consistently influential of nineteenth-century American newspapers. Indeed, this was the newspaper that engineered the unexpected and in many ways counterintuitive delivery of the Republican nomination for president, in that most critical year of 1860, to an Illinoisan who just two years earlier had lost the competition for a home-state U.S. Senate seat. The Tribune is remembered, correctly, as the great Republican paper of the day. It argued against slavery in the south. But it argued as well, with words parallel to Lincoln’s in that first address to the Congress, that “our idea is that Labor needs not to combat but to command Capital.”
Seven years before he and Lincoln served together in the Congress (during each man’s sole term in the U.S. House) Horace Greeley—or “Friend Greeley,” as Lincoln referred to the editor in their correspondence—began the Tribune with a stated purpose: “to serve the republic with an honest and fearless criticism.” He succeeded, more wholly than any American editor before or after his transit of the mid-nineteenth century, in creating a newspaper that was not merely a newspaper. Greeley’s nationally circulated Tribune was, as Clarence Darrow aptly remembered it, “the political and social Bible” of every reforming, radical and Republican household. The Tribune was surely that for Lincoln, whose engagement with the paper would last the better part of a quarter century and eventually extend to wrangling with Greeley about the proper moment at which to issue the Emancipation Proclamation. Lincoln’s involvement was not just with Greeley but with his sub-editors and writers, so much so that the first Republican president appointed one of Greeley’s most radical lieutenants—the Fourier- and Proudhon-inspired socialist and longtime editor of Marx’s European correspondence, Charles Dana—as his assistant secretary of war.
Greeley’s newspaper was the tribune of the agitation that spawned the Republican Party and its successful presidential campaign of 1860. Lincoln would say of the editor: “every one of his words seems to weigh about a ton.”
This was as Greeley, an epic figure of American journalism, a political and social reformer who reveled in his ability not merely to report upon but to bend the arc of history, intended it.
After learning the printer’s trade at the Northern Star in tiny Poultney, Vermont, Greeley arrived in New York in 1831, during the period when Fanny Wright and her allies were forging explicitly socialist political parties and movements in the city. Greeley came both to make his fortune—and that he did—and to steer the political progress of a young nation. William Seward, the radical Republican whose presidential ambitions were thwarted when Greeley switched his allegiance to Lincoln, celebrated the young newspaper editor as a Whitmanesque figure: “rather unmindful of social usages, yet singularly clear, original, and decided, in his political views and theories.”
Greeley was what the British refer to as a “campaigning editor.” He started newspapers as platforms to promote ideas—for example, the Jeffersonian was established to advance Seward’s successful Whig Party challenge to conservative Democratic governor William Marcy, a hack of the highest order who preached the patronage gospel of “to the victor belong the spoils.” Two years later Greeley would edit a national newspaper, the Log Cabin, as the campaign journal of another Whig, William Henry Harrison, who would win and briefly hold the presidency.
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” secession in the Constitution – why, because it does not exist.”
George, you are correct. The right of secession by a state or states doesn’t exist in the Constitution and makes no sense based on the nation’s history.
Try not to make the same Lincoln mistakes corrected several times before. That is not a challenge. Do better.
Americans will remember that great day, the day the Supreme Court acted retroactively by 50 years to destroy the illegal and unconstitutional Roe v. Wade.
You do appreciate justice, do you not, Smeyer?
That’s as preposterous and just plain stupid as the British saying it was a beneficial and compelling idea to “Keep The Colonies Together!”
Hear, hear!
Keep The Colonies Together!
Damn, Smeyer, you hated America from inception, didn’t you?
You have no concept or appreciation for what it meant and means to be an American, an unhyphenated, actual America.
How ’bout those Chinese? They love being unhyphenated, actual Chinese.
Oh, my!
And you still have not cited the Constitution for any form or fashion of prohibition of secession, which makes Lincoln a high and low criminal.
George, the nation was going down the drain with the Articles of Confederation. With your type of management there wouldn’t have been a nation for the great Abe Lincoln to lead. The nation probably wouldn’t have survived long enough for the appearance of a Thomas Jefferson.
Do you hate the country so much, you wanted to kill it off in its infancy?
Lincoln supported the Naturalization Act of 1802.
Lincoln was subsumed by antithetical and anti-Constitution communists and communism.
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“These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people.”
– Abraham Lincoln, from his first speech as an Illinois state legislator, 1837
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“Everyone now is more or less a Socialist.”
– Charles Dana, managing editor of the New York Tribune, and Lincoln’s assistant secretary of war, 1848
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The ‘Great Emancipator’ and the Issue of Race
Abraham Lincoln’s Program of Black Resettlement
By Robert Morgan
Between late August and mid-October, 1858, Lincoln and Douglas travelled together around the state to confront each other in seven historic debates. On August 21, before a crowd of 10,000 at Ottawa, Lincoln declared:17
I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.
He continued:
I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.
Many people accepted the rumors spread by Douglas supporters that Lincoln favored social equality of the races. Before the start of the September 18 debate at Charleston, Illinois, an elderly man approached Lincoln in a hotel and asked him if the stories were true. Recounting the encounter later before a crowd of 15,000, Lincoln declared:18
I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races; I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people.
He continued:
I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
O Captain! My Captain!
by Walt Whitman
O Captain! My Captain! our fearful trip is done;
The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won;
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring:
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up—for you the flag is flung—for you the bugle trills;
For you bouquets and ribbon’d wreaths—for you the shores a-crowding;
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
O captain! dear father!
This arm beneath your head;
It is some dream that on the deck,
You’ve fallen cold and dead.
My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still;
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will;
The ship is anchor’d safe and sound, its voyage closed and done;
From fearful trip, the victor ship, comes in with object won;
Exult, O shores, and ring, O bells!
But I, with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
Can someone make sense of the post below? vvvvv
Jonathan: Now I thought conservatives were big on “states rights”? You seemed to think Govs. Abbott and DeSantis were perfectly within their rights in flying migrants all over the country because the migrants signed “waivers”. Never mind the waivers were signed under false pretenses by those working for DeSantis. In the most notorious case DeSantis flew 50 migrants that were promised they were going to Boston–but were, instead, flown to Martha’s Vineyard and simply dumped. DeSantis did bother to notify local officials in advance. It was a blatant political stunt without regard for the health and safety of the migrants.
Now you think the Biden administration is correct in flying migrants to many different cities because federal immigration policy trumps state policy. No quarrel there. In a rare instance, why are you now supporting a Biden administration policy? Especially at a time when you think Biden should be impeached? I think I have a possible answer.
Early in his administration DJT issued an EO banning immigration from seven Muslim countries. Trump’s policy of religious discrimination was contested in the the lower courts but the SC finally upheld DJT’s Muslim travel ban. You supported that decision. In the 2020 election campaign Biden promised that one of his first acts would be to rescind DJT’s EO. He did that as one of his first acts as President.
So what is at play here? I suspect you hope that, if DJT is the GOP nominee next year, he will be re-elected. And one of his first acts will be to reimpose his Muslim travel ban which you favor. And then you can argue that a under Section 212(f) of the INA a president has such authority. Why? Because federal policy always trumps state policy. So as strange as it might seem I think that is why you are suddenly supporting a Biden administration immigration policy. And that’s why I think Congress needs to amend Section 212(f) to prevent any future president from using immigration laws to discriminate against immigrants based on religion.
All i can do is laugh
“Now I thought…”—Dennis Mcintyre
Lying again.
“And that’s why I think…”—-Dennis McIntyre
Another lie.
“Congress needs to amend Section 212(f) to prevent any future president from using immigration laws to discriminate against immigrants based on religion.”
And SCOTUS will crap all over your pretext again. Just because you call it a “muslim ban” doesnt make it so. The existing statutes already prohibit discrimination based on religion, not that you care.
But do us all a favor, and hold your breath until Congress does that.
Dont look now Dennis, but Abbott and DeSantis’ little political stunt appears to have done what none of is thought possible anymore. All these prominent democrats running blue cities are breaking ranks and calling out the administration.
LMAO at the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Venezuela and North Korea are Muslim countries. Who knew?
“Never mind the waivers were signed under false pretenses by those working for DeSantis.”
Dennis is this a lie or ignorance?
” It was a blatant political stunt”
He flew them to where they were wanted. It was even a sanctuary area with lots of rooms available and it wasn’t overcrowded. You are mean and awful.
“Biden should be impeached? “
I was amazed when I saw those words written under your name.
“EO banning immigration from seven Muslim countries.”
That list mostly came from Obama’s list. Even Obama recognized certain things you don’t. That is what happens to a person who is unable to think. It had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with security, something you care little about.
I’m stopping here because almost everything you say is wrong and ignorant which takes a lot of time to answer.
The Sensations
“Let me in whee-ooh…
I can see the dancin’(let me in)
The silhouettes on the shade
I hear the music (music), all the Lovers on parade
Open up (let me in), I want to come in again
I thought you were my friend…”
How to define a democrat: a sanctimonious lunatic, who’s intolerant thinking they have superiority in morality and greater virtue than others. The democrats of today have abandoned any percept of law and order and it’s become discernible any further discourse will be in vain until they are dislodged from any political power. There so many examples of their self-righteousness which others on the professors’ blog have and continue to highlight, I will not endeavor to mention other than today’s subject of the hypocritical move to deny any relocation to sanctuary. The past advocates are now wetting the finger and holding it up to find the winds have changed and their pocketbook is approaching empty. The Inn is now full.
Going further the democrats have usurped (without rights) our founding document the Declaration of Independence, in particular: “…Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments, long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes…” they have instituted many injurious notions through lawless dictates and allowed an open byway to tyranny in every institution of state and federal governance. They have dissuaded school counsels, media and web platforms from countering their concepts. In general, they have become the Tyrants of America! Adding one last line for our Declaration “In every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, (my words ‘A Party’), whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free People”
George W,
Well said!
Hear! Hear!
Thank you Upstate!
I was thinking after i posted another song which could be appropriate Pink Floyd’s “Dark Side of the Moon”.
George W,
I LIKE you taste in music!
Dear Prof Turley,
Sanctuary from what? Why are all these poor, desperate people, in the “millions”, flocking to the southern border? That’s the problem that needs be addressed, first and foremost .. . and I suspect the answer(s) involve powerful, far reaching geopolitical struggles going back decades. (see e.g. ‘Iran-Contra’, Honduras death camps, Pinochet, Columbian narco-state, etc., etc.)
I suspect few of these people are making such a dangerous and arduous journey to live the American dream in the ‘land of opportunity’. Most likely, many are running for their lives.
It is estimated, e.g., more than 20 million people have been displaced in Ukraine since VP Biden gave them 6 hours to fire the chief prosecutor investigating Burisma/Hunter Biden in 2014. More than half of Ukraine’s total population.
In any case, while sensible immigration policies, and control of borders, are essential for modern 21st century nation-states, walls and other ‘fixed fortifications remain monuments to the stupidity of man’ (h/t Gen. George S. Patton). see eg. the Berlin Wall, the Great Wall of China, etc.
*they’re coming to America .. . https://www.youtube.com/shorts/laLFJdHj7OA
Dgsnowden,
There is a TED Talk where they address the issue and makes a compelling argument by improving the economies in Central and South American countries, people would not only remain in their home countries but fare better rather than trying to start over in America.
Dg and Upstate, I would agree with your premise if we weren’t a country that has an open border AND BENEFITS. You cannot have an open border when you are surrounded by poorer nations and you give anyone that arrives free stuff.
The left (I hope neither of you) will say that illegals don’t receive benefits…but they do and they receive plenty of benefits. In fact at the last few Democrat presidential debates the liberals on the stage argued to give MEDICARE to anyone that arrives here one hour ago. Medicare, that benefit that citizens work 40-45 years to receive as well as counting the minutes until they reach 65, will be going to all illegals before long. We already give everyone free medical care nd if you don’t believe me go to any emergency room at any time of day. We give food assistance, we give phones, we give shelter, we have NYC arguing to give all illegals work visas, licenses and the right to vote in state and local elections. We even had NYC and Mayor Adams setting up giant living facilities that actually had video gaming devices set up for the incoming people. If I want a video device I have to go buy it.
You cannot have an open border when you are giving people free stuff. But liberals know this and that is why the border is open. They said they wanted to fundamentally change America and they have succeeded.
HullBobby,
I will use my family as an example of the differences between today and when my great grand parents came to this country.
They came with only their cloths on their back and what they could carry. But they also came with legal papers of immigration. While in transit to Chicago, my grandmother was born in a box car outside of KS city. Really.
Back then, there were no benefits. They were expected to make it on their own. Taking a hand out from anyone or the government? No! They had too much pride to do so. They worked hard. They saved their money. They paid their taxes. While they assimilated into American culture and society, they still had pride in their home country and culture. But they were thankful for the opportunity America gave them.
Despite my grandmother only having a 6th grade education her and my grandfather attained the American dream of home ownership.
Contrast that to what the leftist have promoted with freebies, no wonder millions want to come here. No risk, freebies for all. And under the Biden admin, unless you do something really bad, what is the worse that happens? Get deported only to return a few months later?
@UpstateFarmer
Never underestimate Joe Biden to create another 10, 20, 30 million refugees.
*btw, way back in the mid 90s I managed (sic) a cutting edge farm (push-button drip irrigation, raised bed under plastic, the works!) in the Panhandle of Florida. Back then, the migrant Mexican workers on their way to south Florida for the season would stop by to help me and then return home to Mexico .. . some of the best farmers on the planet, and great people, and I often wonder whatever happened to them?
Dgsnowden,
The Mexican people are a wonderful, hard working people for the most part. There is always that 10%.
But one thing about most of them, very religious, very family and community orientated. Something the leftist Democrats, not the traditional Democrats, do not understand. That may be their undoing in the 2024 election.
And dang! Give me some re-fried beans in lard on top of a taco with some slow cooked lard carnitas! With the crumbly goat cheese too!
“running for their lives?”. I see hordes of young men of military age coming across the border. Did they leave their wives, mothers, grandparents, and children behind to face that danger?
The citizenry should consider who will be on the reviewing stand and who will be standing on the lines for stale bread after the dust settles should they fail to rout out this President and his entire administration at the next cycle When an elected President fails to uphold promulgated law, and turns this nation upside down and inside out because he’s satisfied that he has the support to do that, the answer should be clear. He can do anything he wants. Alea Iacta Est.
More leftist hypocrisy from the same type of guy who would call you a bigot for opposing illegal immigration. I feel no empathy when s@@tlibs precious pets come to bite them.
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Just pass voter ID in your state. There is a reason democrats want more and more illegals here.
They painted themselves into a corner.
It all sounded good when it was only a handful of immigrants.
But then then those border states turned the tables and called on them to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
Now the Biden admin is facing a crisis of their own making. How to deal with it?
Recently residents in Chicago, not only Blacks but Hispanics were protesting the aid being given to thousands of migrants, with some calling for the city to take care of Americans first.
Something similar happened in NYC and Stanten Island, that got violent between the protesters and counter-protesters.
61% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, that is up from 59%. Americans are feeling the effects of Bidenflation and are getting angry seeing them get passed over for illegal immigrants.
Another great comment from Upstate! Thanks.
HullBobby,
Thank you.
The other day, someone said something to the effect of killing the elites, DC swamp dwellers kinda of thing.
I said most of us would not prefer a French Revolution, bring back the guillotine kind of thing happening here in America.
Then I got to thinking on that and did a quick review of the French Revolution. There are some parallels to our current situation that are frankly disturbing.
At the time though, France was a much more homogeneous society than compared to America society of today.
And in our current economic situation, a lot of anger going around, again, that is why I am against the idea of killing anyone as that can quickly spiral out of control and people start committing acts of violence based not only skin color, but if you have an accent. You drive such and such car. Live in such and such zip code.
Another reason I also found the news article the other day that Biden has been briefed about the dire situation unfolding at Burning Man rather ironic.
Isn’t this administration guilty of insurrection by not following the laws on immigration?
By that same logic, Lincoln was guilty of insurrection, which he, in fact, was.
Lincoln unconstitutionally seized power he did not possess, causing multiple and substantial changes in American law and society.
Secession is not prohibited by the Constitution, and it was and is fully constitutional – the American Founders and Framers availed themselves of secession against Great Britain.
Lincoln had no power to deny secession; reprehensible slavery must have been abrogated through legal means and methods.
Lincoln caused an unconstitutional war of aggression against a sovereign foreign nation.
Lincoln nullified and suspended multiple rights and freedoms in the Constitution.
Illegal actions cannot beget more illegal actions.
Every act of Lincoln, subsequent to his unconstitutional denial of secession, was and remains invalid, illegitimate, illicit, and unconstitutional and must be corrected.
Certainly, the anti-American, communist “Reconstruction Amendments” engendered by Karl Marx are illegal and unconstitutional and must be abrogated with extreme prejudice.
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“They consider…that it fell to…Abraham Lincoln,…to lead his country through…the reconstruction of a social world.”
– Karl Marx, 1865
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On January 1, 1863, the legal status of slaves was changed from that of “property” to “illegal alien,” requiring compassionate repatriation or deportation, per extant immigration law, the Naturalization Act of 1802.
Legal and constitutional corrective action must restore America to its Constitution and Bill of Rights and to the intent and design of the American Founders and Framers.
That Lincoln began the antithetical, illegal, and unconstitutional incremental implementation of the principles of communism in the United States of America constituted insurrection.
Just once I would like to see some “reporter” ask Murphy or Hochul or Adams or Healy in MA if they think Biden is doing a good job on the border. They are whining like the hypocrites they are but the darn media never does the dreaded follow-up question.
When KJP, the Bagdad Bob of DC, says Biden has done more to secure the border than anyone else because “apprehensions” are up I want just one “reporter” to ask her what that means, what happens after an “apprehension”. You knw what happens? What happens is the “apprehended” is released into OUR country with a court date that is years away.
There will be FIFTEEN MILLION illegals here forever, FIFTEEN MILLION people that don’t speak the language, don’t have medical insurance, don’t have labor skills and don’t have money. This is what Joe Biden has done to us as he at the same time has lowered our purchasing power, lowered our energy ability, lowered our emergency oil supply, lowered our military supplies and has let China form relationships with Saudi Arabia, India, Brazil and a military alliance with Russia. THIS IS JOE BIDEN!
While I share your angst, there is a positive aspect to the emigration wave. The majority of these people want to work as opposed to a large number of the younger generation who do not see this as important. They have or want to have families who can live and prosper in a secure environment. This “should” have positive downstream consequences for the country. It won’t be recognized for twenty to thirty years as it did in the mid 1800s and the worst aspects of assimilation will occur. Of course, the presence of the modern welfare state can retard the progression but should not stop it. I remain hopeful. I also am furious at the current administration’s lack of responsibility in establishing, implementing and maintaining a secure and organized system of border control.
“. . . the modern welfare state . . .”
“. . . the current administration’s lack of . . .”
Those are the two issues mucking up Biden’s policy.
People are rightfully angry at being compelled to pay for the immigrants’ expenses. The principle should be: You want to live here? Fine. Be self-sustaining.
I’m in favor of open immigration. But what Biden’s doing is not that. His “policy” (if one can call it that) is utter chaos. Who they are. What their histories are. Where they land. Nobody knows.
At minimum, open immigration follows the Ellis Island model: Prove that you’re not a criminal. Prove that you do not have an infectious disease. Prove that you have a place to live. Prove that you have an independent means of financial support.
You forgot Afghanistan and Cuba.
JT says … “Notably, neither Murphy nor the media are alleging that Biden is “kidnapping” or “trafficking” in immigrants as has been the case with flights and buses sent by the governors of Texas and Florida.”
There is credible evidence that both Florida and Texas lied to people about where they were going and what would happen to them there. Is this true about how the Feds are treating the people?
Why is JT making this apparent false equivalency? Why is JT, a seemingly smart person, so intent on warping the discourse to say things that are untrue?
I think he was being sarcastic, putting forth the double-standard which is now the Democrat standard.
So in Rightwingnutcases’ mind Fed flights are cool, state flights are evil. States lie to people to get them to NYC and LA but the Feds are legit in getting illegals to go to Westchester County? I guess the Feds know that an illegal from Central America doesn’t know about NYC but instead has always wanted to be flown to Westchester County.
It is guys like this that are killing our country. This guy has no issue with 10-15 million illegals coming into our nation but he hates that TX and FL are shipping 20,000 to OUR MOST POPULACE cities and states???
Guys like this think millions in TX and AZ are fine, but 10 buses with 500 people in LA is a crime.
We need to make these kinds of opinions known to the voters. This is why they won’t debate, nobody agrees with their insanity.
I’d quote where you make assumptions that aren’t true but that would mean quoting your whole post. I was just pointing out the inconsistency where there is proof that both Florida and Texas officials lied to those boarding flights but to my knowledge now such accusation has been made about Fed flights. Why make the false equivalency?
You would make a great lawyer for trump with non existent evidence about election fraud. Just make stuff up. Is that how the right wing mind works?
Immigration is a serious problem worldwide. Do we shut our borders by militarizing our airports, borders? How about an honest discussion about immigration and how to help people. But at the moment the Repos are more concerned with who people sleep with in their own bedroom and about how much skin can be seen in a drag show. It’s called distraction and you are part of the problem. Grow up.
@NutCase: Please cite the criminal prosecutions in RE: Florida and Texas. Oh wait, they were only conjured up by 99.999% of the media – print, cable, broadcast, or otherwise. If the “credible evidence that both Florida and Texas lied to people” is so darn credible, where’s the prosecutions? To quote a random Internet poster: Just make stuff up. Is that how the right wing [nut case’s] mind works?
Yes, shut down the border using any means available. Will you acknowledge and honestly discuss enforcing the congressionally-provided existing immigration systems and regulations? As a “Repo” I couldn’t possibly care any less about your sexual habits, bedroom happenings, or which drag shows you go to: but keep your reprobate ideas away from kids.
I get it: the man was Orange, for gaia’s sake! Can you show us on this doll where the bad man hurt you?? Do you think you’ll ever recover and be able to grow up normally?
You have serious issues you needs to discuss with your therapist. Get some help
@Tom – Love your response to the bots. Keep them coming, your up there with Upstate and Hullbobby. Hat Tip to you guys.
You don’t understand the Republican position. We don’t want to “shut our border.” We want to control our borders; a key characteristic that defines a nation state. A ‘come one come all’ immigration policy is bad for both the immigrant and the citizenry. All of the immigrants can’t be absorbed into the labor force at once, and even if they could, we would only want those who came in legally and who have been vetted. The others must wait in line–is that good for them? If the do-gooders insist on accepting all migrants, should southern TX, AZ, NM, and CA be solely responsible for the financial, educational, security, etc. of migrants? If they’re not vetted, do you want them in your community? Until you have a family of unvetted immigrants living in your spare bedroom, you’re just a virtue signalling tribe member.
“proof that both Florida and Texas officials lied to those boarding flights”
Can you show is the proof please?
IIRC, those people signed documents saying they knew where they were being transported to.
Dear Anon Sock Puppet # Infinity:
“. . . how the Feds . . .” “. . . intent on warping the discourse to say things that are untrue?”
Why do you, as a matter of habit, use “warping” to smear?
NJ, NYC, et al. are not “the Feds.”
You present no credible evidence for what you allege. In all likelihood, the people who tell you what to think took something that had a tiny kernel of truth to it, then twisted, mangled, spun, exaggerated, removed context and mischaracterized it try to harm Republicans or pump up Democrats. That’s why they exist. It’s really their only purpose.
If a Republican wins the WH and/or they take the Senate and the House we will see the economy come back, we will end inflation, we will do more drilling for oil and gas, we will lower crime by actually putting bad guys in prison and not release the few that commit crime after crime, we will close the border and we will get students to pay back the loans THEY TOOK OUT, but we will never remove the 15 million illegals that will enter our country under Biden.
They have said since 2008 that they wanted to change our country and believe it or not under a moron puppet like Joe Biden they have done it.
If the next election is legitimate we may see the return of Tom Homan who was dedicated to his position and the country. These people may find themselves rounded up and returned to the country of entry and wait there for their case to be heard.
Of course if the GOP does not have a remedy for stopping wide scale mail in ballots all is lost.
Margot,
Actually that brings up a interesting question, say Republicans can round up and deport those to their country of origin.
Would all these Democrat mayors and governors who are currently crying about immigrants being dropped off in their cities and states suddenly be okay with the round ups?
@Upstate: Of course not. They will be the first and loudest to denounce any sort of lawful actions — even while they sigh in relief and claim the credit for being able to put the currently-used resources back into their fiefdom. They can’t help it. It’s who leftists are.
The only praise would be reserved for any leftist who carried it out. Which is to say folks will be forced to close their lemonade stands in Sheol and Gehenna and start selling heaters and jackets (talk about climate change!).
@Upstate – unlikely they would cooperate. They are all claiming there’s a problem at the border but not one has asked why stay in Mexico for asylum seekers isn’t enforced. Can you imagine if this administration had done nothing but continued with Trumps border policy? Problem solved.