Moreover, the missile did not destroy the hospital but appears to have landed in the parking lot. Finally, the actual death toll remains in dispute.
While the caption on the photo above acknowledged that it is not the picture of the hospital, it created a powerful image with the headline. The more important question is why the New York Times would simply repeat the accusation from Hamas on the origin of the missile when there are thousands of missiles going back and forth between Israel and Gaza.
The New York Times not only immediately declared Israel as the source but said that hundreds were killed. The BBC completed an investigation with the assistance of experts, who said that the evidence was not consistent with an Israeli missile strike and further suggested that the death toll was lower than widely reported.
Likewise, Foreign Policy magazine is still showing a misleading picture of a huge crater that turns out to be from an entirely different location. Actual drone footage does not show the type of large crater that would have been left by an Israeli missile in the parking lot. The Wall Street Journal showed this crater in the parking lot:
While the New York Times can claim that it later covered the countervailing findings of Israeli and American intelligence, that is not the case with Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D., Mich.). Last night, after the Biden Administration released its own findings that the missile came from Palestine, Tlaib led a mass protest while denouncing Israel for the strike:“People think it’s okay to bomb a hospital where children, you know, what’s so hard sometimes is watching those videos and and the people telling the kids, ‘Don’t cry.’ And like, let them cry!”And they’re shaking [INAUDIBLE] they keep telling them not to cry in Arabic. And they can cry, I can cry, we all can cry. If we’re not crying, something is wrong! And so I’m telling you right now, President Biden, not all of America’s with you on this one. And you need to wake up and understand that! We are literally watching people commit your genocide and killing a vast majority just like this. And we still stand by and say nothing. We will remember this. But all of you, you need to know, I swear to God [INAUDIBLE] You are on the right side of history! You are! You’re doing everything possible to save lives! What is wrong with that? Stop it!”
Tlaib wrote on social media that “Israel just bombed the Baptist Hospital killing 500 Palestinians (doctors, children, patients) just like that” on X.
Of course, NY Times, Tlaib, and others can count on the free speech community will continue to support their own ability to speak even when they are accused of spreading disinformation.
This controversy shows, again, how selective the media has been in its calls for bans and censorship. That includes various journalistic and scientific figures banned for expressing skepticism over pandemic claims from the origins of the virus to the efficacy of certain treatments. For example, when many people raised the possibility that the virus may have been released from the nearby Chinese virology lab (rather than the “wet market” theory), they were denounced as virtually a lunatic fringe. Even objections to the bias of authors of a report dismissing the lab theory were ridiculed. The New York Times reporter covering the area called it “racist” and implausible. Now, even W.H.O. admits that the lab theory is possible and Biden officials are admitting that it is indeed plausible.
Fortunately for the reporters of the New York Times and Democratic members like Tlaib, free speech values should protect their right to continue to post these views despite their truth or veracity. One can only hope that they might want to consider showing others the same consideration.
CNN may not have been expecting this explanation, from their invited guest, of why it looks to have been a Hamas or Islamic Jihad rocket rather than an Israeli bomb:
https://twitter.com/CNNThisMorning/status/1714626645074591831
terrorists point out precisely, in no uncertain terms, right here for all to see, the reasons why Israel is going to annihilate, utterly, totally, thoroughly the murderers calling themselves Hamas.
Brad Markle, I doubt the capability.
Hide and watch, Bucko
Ares ascendant
Hamas and their comrades are not only savage mass murderers and serial killers but CHILD MOLESTERS who must be placed in the local SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY.
Do they have those registries in the ME or is child molestation accepted as tradition and culture.
Some of them surgically remove parts from their daughters, right?
What a bunch of ——- wack jobs!
The jews chop off part of all males penis right after they are born.
The rabbi sucks the blood from it.
Looks like sex offender registry time there too.
shak, whatever group you belong to I am sure you are making them proud. Loser!
Tlaib is a racist.
In re James’s lament below. When the canary in the coal mine died, it meant death was all around and the miners were in mortal danger. Metaphorically speaking, today’s canary in the coal mine was articulated recently by Ben Stein, writing in The Spectator:
But did we expect that when these evil people struck, their mind altering cruelty would be praised by tens of millions on the streets of almost every world capital? I did not and now that I see it and hear the shouts, I realize that the human beast has literally no depths to which he will not sink. Nazism is easy to understand today. And what about when he gets nuclear weapons and ICBMs?
On October 7, 2023, the canary – representing the possibility of continued civilization on earth – dropped dead. Death is all around. The only hope of survival, ultimately, is the utter destruction of the terror masters in Tehran, and all of their deadly tentacles throughout the world, of which Hamas is but one.
“Nazism is easy to understand today. And what about when he gets nuclear weapons and ICBMs?”
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What about when he gets the cheaper and more easily acquired technology to make viruses more lethal and more contagious to humans as was done with Covid?
Covid, a man-made pathogen, has already killed more people than we lost in all of our wars combined. And there are still more dangerous viruses in labs today.
A Hamas follower would find it much easier and much cheaper to put together a facility for making dangerous pathogens than one for making even a simple atomic bomb. And the virus could kill more. Some could end civilization.
Looking at the demonstrations at Harvard and many other schools I think we need to be very selective in choosing who can come here and especially selective in choosing who can train in certain technologies.
Right now we are letting radicals come here to learn how to kill us.
Looking at the demonstrations at Harvard and many other schools I think we need to be very selective in choosing who can come here and especially selective in choosing who can train in certain technologies.
Right now we are letting radicals come here to learn how to kill us.
Young, first of all, the radicals are already here and secondly, they already know how to kill us. Tragically, the DHS and FBI are too busy looking for them at school board meetings.
True, but we don’t need to keep it up. Just before WWII would we want to import Nazi scientists to work on nuclear fission.
In fact many guessed that research like that was going on because journals suddenly stopped publishing articles on nuclear related subjects. Having them guess you are doing it is better than letting them in on what you are doing.
But, of course you are right that parents at school board meetings are a much greater danger to civilization. The savages.
How did we get so stupid?
Sorry Young, that was my comment above.
How did we get so stupid?
They’re not stupid, they’ve been effectively hypnotized.
All this talk of misinformation and disinformation is an effort to distract.
Anyone – Tlaib, NYT. FOX, … is free to report whatever they wish – and they should be judged on what they report.
Those who frequently – for whatever reason get it wrong should not be trusted. Outside of a few left wing nuts few Trust NYT or Tlaib.
And that is how it should be. We do not need terms like misinformation or disinformation – there is only one term that is approriate – unreliable.
Why is a different question, and each of us can speculate. But the most critical assessment is UNRELIABLE.
And that is how we address free speech. We decide who to listen to based on who has been RELIABLE.
We do not silence people. We just quit listening.
And if we are stupid enough to stop listening to those who are reliable the poor and uninformed choices we make fall on us.
“It is astonishing and outrageous that most major national media organizations reported that Israel blew up a hospital in Gaza, killing hundreds.
The source of the information was Hamas, so that immediately disqualifies any honest journalist from citing Israel as the attacker.
Right?
But no. The Associated Press, Reuters, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, The Washington Post, and the New York Times all inflamed a violent situation by reporting the Hamas accusation. None of those agencies had any backup for their reportage.
What they should have said, if they were honest, was something like this: a hospital in Gaza was hit with rockets today. Both Israel and Hamas blame the other.”
Todays’s column by Bill O’Reilly
These organizations, and those quick to dive in without facts, continually undermine their own credibility. For the consumer of information, this requires accessing multiple streams of information and carefully sifting through the B.S.
More than 24 UN buildings have been hit. 19 UN workers dead last time I checked days ago.
There are more than hamas on the ground.
It has already been determined the us and israel can blow smoke and twist arms all they want
Maybe Israel did not bomb that specific hospital, but it has bombed hundreds of other buildings occupied by non-combatants, including innocent women and children. Those deaths were not forgotten because they were not even acknowledged.
Given the ruthless perversity of war, it all evens out…
All of the Middle-East was taken by blood force by Muslims, while annihilating both Jews and Christians. Take a world history course. Get educated
The innocent, non-combatant, Israeli women and children, trusting in the presumed innate decency of mankind, were NOT warned.
The Gazans have been fully aware and complicit for decades and were warned contemporaneously.
The only perversity here is that of Radical Pragmatist and Fraud.
Re: “The Gazans have been fully aware and complicit for decades and were warned contemporaneously.”
Note that half the inhabitants of Gaza are children. And after those people were warned, they should escape to where? South Gaza where they would still be pulverized to smithereens?
The Israelis compare the Israel – Palestinian relationship to mowing the lawn. The lawn is fertilized by the Israelis treating the Palestinians like sub-human garbage, then some nut-job Palestinians then violently resist, then the Israeli war machine mows them down. It’s an endless cycle of repression and retributive violence. Grow, Mow and Grow Again…
From an dispassionate American perspective, there are no “good guys”. Why should the American taxpayers have to subsidize that lunacy?
Hamas terrorists are war criminals that hide among non-combatants. The reason they are war criminals is that their actions, not the actions of Israel, cause the death of peaceful citizens. That happens in every war. That is one reason Hamas should be condemned by all. Israel is trying to preserve life and the Hamas terrorist is using lives as shields.
Do you now have it clear? International law spells it all out.
They are worse than war criminals. Calling them any criminal puts them in the world of legalities and trials.
They are evil vermin and outlaws in the traditional sense of outside the protection of law, like pirates or Robespierre were, subject to death on sight, no tiresome delays with CNN lecturing you.
They bombed it just like nordstream 2.
We have liars in charge.
Every evil deed they do they deny. Every time.
Many are wondering about the Pro-Hamas insurrectionists at the US Capitol yesterday and whether they will be charged and tried in a US Court. There needs to be consequences for these Pro-Hamas insurrectionists, or else it will be confirmed that there are 2 different judicial systems in America, a weaponized DOJ and US Court system
https://www.frontpagemag.com/the-pro-hamas-insurrectionists-who-attacked-the-capitol-must-be-brought-to-justice/
The Pro-Hamas Insurrectionists Who Attacked the Capitol Must Be Brought to Justice
On October 18, hundreds of pro-Hamas insurrectionists stormed the Capitol. While the insurrectionists claimed to be Jews opposed to Israel’s campaign to stop Hamas terror and rescue the hostages, in reality, they were leftist extremists and in some cases Islamists. Many were affiliated with pro-terrorist organizations. One example is Huwaida Arraf….
Not pro-Hamas.
Not insurrectionists.
They went into the Cannon Bldg, not the Capitol Bldg, didn’t stop any official proceedings, were peaceful, went through security, didn’t do damage to the building, …
Hundreds were arrested and will no doubt be charged.
Barack Hussein “Barry Soetoro-Statue in Jakarta-Ineligible Son of a Foreign Citizen” Obama, Suzi “Q” Rice, the Very Iranian Valerie Jarret and other communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs, AINOs) gave (i.e. redistributed) Iran $6 billion (USD) and Hamas $100 million (USD) through their stooge and puppet, Joke Buydem.
Who allowed the enemy to takeover America?
Oh, yeah! That actually goes back to Lincoln, doesn’t it.
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“The [hired help] of Europe…consider…that it fell to…Abraham Lincoln…to lead his country through the…RECONSTRUCTION of a social world.”
– Letter From Karl Marx to Abraham Lincoln, 1865
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“We are five days away from [totally destroying] the United States of America.”
– Barack Obama
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“We will stop him.”
– Peter Strzok to FBI paramour Lisa Page
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“[Obama] wants to know everything we’re doing.”
– Lisa Page to FBI paramour Peter Strzok
Likewise, the New York Times has been unrelenting in attacks on Elon Musk and Twitter for restoring free speech protections on X and supporting broader censorship of disinformation, misinformation, and malinformation.
It appears members of Biden’s Administration have been bankrolling a specious, for-profit organization called “NewsGuard” that is trying to bankrupt select tech and news outlets by bludgeoning them with “requests”, “demands” and hostile labels. Elon Musk is just now getting involved, per a Mike Benz, a former US State Dept official. I did a search for NewsGuard and not surprisingly the Leftist MSM do not report anything on NewsGuard but the Right MSM do in spades.
The Left have no intention of backing down from their lies, their censorship, their authoritarian fits. To quote David Horowitz, “Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out”
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
What a scam! “Newsguard” should be disbanded immediately.
Mike Benz
@MikeBenzCyber
Elon, for your peripheral vision, Jimmy Wales advises NewsGuard, which is knee deep in a plot to get gov’ts to bankrupt alternative news. NewsGuard worked w/ EU on new disinformation code. Its biz model has “disinformation compliance” services w/ censorship laws it promotes.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1715034354059972876
I don’t think she should be censored, though I wouldn’t mind if she were censured – let the full madness of what the left has become be on full display for everyone to see; people can find their spines or not in addressing it. The thing that concerns me is that no one seems to care, and old-school Liberals seem to think it is a youthful phase. No, that is precisely who these people are, and to think you are still supporting the working class, opposing social ills that don’t even exist anymore in context, or being righteous in any way whatsoever by continuing to put them in power tells us how out of touch you are. Why are so many of these Liberal folks at *least* 30 years behind? The only conclusion I can draw is that they are lazy and have been riding their privilege for far too long, not paying attention to a dang thing, Great White Savior syndrome.
My harsh comment about parenting was not fiction – this is literally what we are dealing with every day, and the issues spoken of did not appear from out of nowhere. The likes of this joke of a Congresswoman, indeed, the ‘squad’ in totality are the logical result, and if you think they are bad you had better brace yourself for what is coming down the pike. If you wonder why it seems to be coming from every angle, it’s because these folks are all old enough to be in positions of authority now, and thanks to nepotism, privilege, and cowardliness, they are pulling the strings in a large swath of our institutions, from the private sector, to the economy. The people that make excuses for them would be the generation that is their parents.
I can tell you this: there are so many Gen Z kids being raised by their grandparents that when that generation dies, that really may just be it, for all of us, including said parents. Why they seem to think they exist in a vacuum is beyond me, they should know better, and they are sure going to get to experience it along with the rest of us.
Our media is inexcusable trash at this point. Mind boggling trash. There has always been bias; what we have today is so beyond the pale Mao is blushing. Most of our politicians have gleefully followed suit on both sides, Conservatives are just as hard-headed and idiotic about their personal bugaboos as any of the woke, and that is not how you win elections in the 21st century, that we still don’t have a speaker is evidence of this. Where we go from here is anyone’s guess, and it is very, very sad. Preserve the 1A and 2A – they are the only things saving us. Screw these people. Only a handful remain that actually represent us.
Do I understand this correctly?
Israel deliberately and heinously bombed a hospital in order to sin against God, shame itself irredeemably, and bury itself in overwhelming adverse press coverage.
only gazans are capable of sin you idiot, and your homeland has denied it, so it doesn’t matter if they did it, fools like you will never believe no matter what the evidence is, and for that very reason they can and did do it
congrats dummy
If I was crazy I’d tell you the greatest democracy on earth went halfway across the world for 20 years and blew the crap out of mountains and deserts, for 20 frikkin years then bailed and left all of their 100 billion dollars of the latest military equipment for the primitive enemy subhuman as they said, they never tamed – a video of one of the bailing military planes was shown as thousands ran below it and hundreds tried to cling to it’s sides as they fled the total disaster they produced – a “democracy” they swore they would provide – which amounted to a hellhole the locals couldn’t imagine staying in since no one could trust anyone anymore – the lying psychotic regime of total societal destruction delivering their death blow across on the other side of the earth.
Yeah that would never happen, the greatest democracy and freedom center on the earth couldn’t possibly. Human rights and all, freedom and prosperity and equity
Not completely. They also wanted to waste a weapon and a sortie taking out a target that has nothing to do with achieving their operational objective of decapitating Hamas C3I.
You know, ’cause they’re just goofing around.
punishing the gazans is part of their plan, and any injured hamas getting treatment are now dead
others are starving and dehydrated, but hey why mess around torturing 2.3 million gazans, your boyz got real plans… you idiot
playing stupid and lying is not a good trick
maybe you should sign up for the woke party
From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, 18 August 1790
To the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island
[Newport, R.I., 18 August 1790]
Gentlemen.
While I receive, with much satisfaction, your Address1 replete with expressions of affection and esteem; I rejoice in the opportunity of assuring you, that I shall always retain a grateful remembrance of the cordial welcome I experienced in my visit to Newport,2 from all classes of Citizens.
The reflection on the days of difficulty and danger which are past is rendered the more sweet, from a consciousness that they are succeeded by days of uncommon prosperity and security. If we have wisdom to make the best use of the advantages with which we are now favored, we cannot fail, under the just administration of a good Government, to become a great and a happy people.
The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
It would be inconsistent with the frankness of my character not to avow that I am pleased with your favorable opinion of my Administration, and fervent wishes for my felicity. May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid. May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in his own due time and way everlastingly happy.
Go: Washington
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231018-us-weapons-expert-debunks-israels-denial-of-gaza-hospital-strike/
Attack was a guided concussion airburst above the central parking lot designed to kill as many people as possible in the surrounding hospital buildings. Roofs of cars were bashed in from above by an aerial airburst; no ground crater expected. Distinctive whizzing sound before detonation comes from guided (JDAM-style) munitions. Rockets don’t whizz like that.
Fortunately this distracts from 2.4 million people starving to death from lack of clean drinking water.
Yesterday, the U.S. was the sole vote against allowing in humanitarian aid .. . but I think they’ve changed their minds.
^@ UNSC
LOL That crap has been going on for DECADES – the US and israel have been doing it your entire life, it is nothing new and it is always expected.
The important thing is they’ve changed their minds, if such a thing is possible, for once. By all accounts, Israel is going to allow [some] humanitarian aid into Gaza. That’s a good thing.
One must find the good in everything.
*take it easy Shak .. . before you blow a gasket.
I’ve already read what is purported to be allowed through will be in the case of water, enough for 14% of gazans.
“One must find the good in everything.”
Oh, explain to the group here the good in the hamas sneak attack mr positivity.
The last time humanitarian aid was going into Gaza it contained missiles. If you think you are smart enough to handle the problem, let us know the solution. How do we prevent arms from entering the country disguised as humanitarian aid. How do we prevent humanitarian aid from being used by the Hamas terrorist war criminals?
Why have the people not rebelled against Hamas? Do they support Hamas terrorist war criminals? Do they support the savagery of the Hamas terrorist war criminal?
Good thing Israel knew just when Hamas was sending up a volley of missiles so they could immediately do what you are ridiculously claiming they did. I guess Biden is now an Israeli apologist??? I guess the Islamic operatives caught on air saying it was one of theirs was also a plant.
Anonymous, you are a Jew-hater, admit it so we can all just move on.
Everyone who doesn’t agree with you lying morons is an anti semite.
The jews are the master class in victimhood and censorship, and you are a member.
From any war for us we all escaped every single one of us a holocaust survivor – yeah EVERY ONE OF YOU as you all claim, to the backing behind every sexual perversion movement and racist and nazi screed.
An amazing record.
“Everyone who doesn’t agree with you lying morons is an anti semite.”
No. You try hard to make people believe you are an anti-Semite. Your
comments are atrocious and you run away from fact substituting it with fiction or unknowns.
You can do better but you don’t want to because to do better requires effort. To act like an anti-Semite requires none.
Shak tells us that “the Jews are the master class of victimhood” as if Jews haven’t been through the murder of 6 million souls in our lifetime, haven’t been attacked around the world to such a degree that college students carry signs showing paragliders, the instrument used to kill and kidnap Jewish women.
I am not for censorship, but Shakdi needs to be gone from this site. Nobody else can state racist comments without getting banned and I don’t know why this guy (it has to be a guy) isn’t banned.
They’re too stupid (you know who they are, they are not you in this case) to notice any evidence.
I was rolling on the ground yesterday laughing as the big jockin liar izz boy official spewed out his pic on the left and “idf craters” on the right – on the right were SAND flats … all a dull grey brown so no perspective depth could be seen, viewed from 60 degrees above horizon plus and at the very edge of each, they showed two, was a big white METERS text purporting to be the size across.
That’s how stupid they and the public are. Their lies are transparent propaganda.
That is an anti-semitic source middleeastmonitor.com. Do you wear your KKK outfit in public or just burn babies alive when you’re in the mood? We understand that you are pro-Hamas and obviously take every opportunity to promote them. Why would you support exterminating Jews ? The Left is always dishonest with their “sources” and “arguments” for the reasons that they are so insipid.
The Middle East Monitor (MEMO)…. is regarded as an outlet for the Muslim Brotherhood [10][11] and its website strongly promotes pro-Hamas related content.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Monitor
I watched the clip. It was a convincing, fair, reasonable and authoritative analysis of the explosive munition that hit the hospital.
*ie. most likely a JDAM.
They ran away for many hours. LMAO
Liars will be liars.
Fortunately this distracts from 2.4 million people starving to death from lack of clean drinking water.
Hamas is responsible for turning off the water. Fuel. Food. Hamas is committing war crimes
Exsication.
REAL PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP
= Make America Great Again – Freedom/Low Prices/Low Inflation/No Wars
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“FAKE” UN-PRESIDENT JOKE BUYDEM
= Whatever This Mess Is
= WWIII Looming Ominously
Lone Ranger:
“Well, Tonto old friend, looks like they’ve got us surrounded.”
Tonto:
“What do you mean ‘we,’ white man?”
We are them. They are us. And we are all together .. . koo, koo ca’choo.
*’because the world is round, it blows my mind’ ~ the Beatles
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.”
– Sun Tzu
The New York Times and Rep. Rashida Tlaib…filling the credibility gap with manure one cup at a time.