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Hunter Blows Away His Own Counsel’s Sobriety Defense

There is a lot of chatter this morning about the interview of Hunter Biden with Axios before his appearance in Congress for testimony on the alleged corrupt activities of his family. The interview has powerful moments as Hunter describes his struggle with addiction and the pressure that he feels to stay sober in light of the election. However, one line stood out in the interview where Hunter confirms that he has been sober since June 1, 2019. That is notably after the date that he signed the gun form at the heart of his federal indictment.

Hunter states that his “initial sobriety date” was on May 17, 2019. That was the date of his marriage and the day before his father declared for the presidency.

The relapse is no surprise and Hunter’s struggle resonates with many in this country. His recovery is a huge personal accomplishment and the trauma for his entire family, including President Joe Biden, was obviously horrible through these years.

The admission, however, reaffirms what has long been known. Hunter’s recovery came long after he signed the form. The Firearm Transaction Record, ATF Form 4473, expressly asked if he was an unlawful user of, or addicted to, any stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance. He answered that he was not. The date was October 12, 2018.

Previously, Hunter’s counsel Abby Lowell pushed a defense that the statement was truthful because Hunter may have been sober at that time. Lowell maintained that “at the time that he purchased this gun, I don’t think there’s evidence that that’s when he was suffering.” Lowell said that Biden had already emerged from rehabilitation when he signed the form.

That defense is further contradicted by testing on the pouch of the gun that showed a coating of cocaine.

It is becoming more and more difficult to claim a window of sobriety for the signing of the form when he is claiming that his sobriety date came over eight months later.

Hunter is now reconfirming what was obvious in his book: his addiction continued to rage until after his father announced for the presidency.

That may be why the defense is moving now to adopt some surprising arguments used by gun rights organizations and potentially challenging the gun control law that his father supports.

It would not be surprising if this interview finds its way into filings by the government as the court considers defense pre-trial motions.

 

133 thoughts on “Hunter Blows Away His Own Counsel’s Sobriety Defense”

  1. C’mon Turley,

    Hunter will do and say anything.
    He knows that the day after the elections… his daddy will pardon him.

    -G

  3. OT

    Are not Joe Biden and his administration complicit and accessory in the murder of University of Georgia student Laken Riley?

    Joe Biden and his administration have willfully and deliberately violated ubiquitous and international customs, traditions, norms, and laws of border security and national security for three years. 

    1. Yup. Biden, Mayorkas, and their puppet masters (Obama) have blood on their hands. Lots and lots of blood. Think of the GA student, the thousands extra dying from fentanyl overdoses in America, and the hundreds of thousands of lives in Eastern Europe that could’ve been saved had these bad actors not sent their lapdog Boris Johnson to scuttle the peace deal nearly two years ago.

    2. @George.

      It would depend on Trump being successful or not on his immunity appeal.
      If Trump loses, then once out of office, Biden would be fair game and sued into oblivion over wrongful deaths.

      There is a clear and direct linkage between his policies and the high violent crime being committed by illegals.
      -G

      1. Voila!

        Eureka!

        Once prosecutors begin discriminating, there will be no end, ergo, there will be no beginning.

        Trump irrefutably enjoys full immunity!

      2. False, I know that the dims constantly claim that presidential immunity is nonsense. But they are full of schiff.

        It is very close to impossible to sue the individuals in the govenrment – even for egregiously stupid and deliberate acts.

        1. John Say said: “…It is very close to impossible to sue the individuals in the govenrment – even for egregiously stupid and deliberate acts.”

          That is de facto UNQUALIFIED, not QUALIFIED immunity, and it must end. Qualified immunity is intended, in theory. to provide officials with the latitude necessary to perform their duties free of frivolous harrassment. Current practice affords almost unlimited shielding of government employees from the consequences of their actions, whether or not those actions were taken in good faith. That is a major problem in government today. If necessary, new legislation would be passed to restrict the scope of this practice to a reasonable minimum.

          https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/qualified_immunity
          “Qualified immunity is a type of legal immunity that protects a government official from lawsuits alleging that the official violated a plaintiff’s rights, only allowing suits where officials violated a “clearly established” statutory or constitutional right. “Qualified immunity balances two important interests—the need to hold public officials accountable when they exercise power irresponsibly and the need to shield officials from harassment, distraction, and liability when they perform their duties reasonably.”

  5. Dear Prof Turley,

    Think how Dad must feel. If poor put-upon Hunter is giving any voluntary interviews, a day before his congressional testimony, I suspect he might be back on the crack right now. Quite frankly, it wouldn’t surprise me if Hunter’s legal counsel was on the sh!t too. .. the big wig Hollywood Producer pulling the strings looks like he’s been living in the Red Light district for some time as well.

    But this is all moot. Designated U.S. Attorney~Special Counsel Weiss, who has been investigating Hunter since 2018, is busy right now indicting the trusted, well-paid FBI CHS Smirnov for false allegations against Hunter (and Joe Biden) and insuring Smirnov’s iron-clad incarceration in California. Russian Intelligence is involved. .. at least until after the election.

    As far as I can tell, no one else in the DoJ, the FBI, the far-flung ‘intelligence community’ or the media, gives a rat’s a$$ about the wayward malefactions of 1st son Hunter Biden. In fact, it has all the classic earmarks of Russian disinformation x2.

    With Trump, ‘freedom and democracy are always on the line’ ~ Hunter interview

    *you don’t have to turn on the red light.

  6. So, my book came in, Readings in Western Civilization, and it does not appear to be the book I was looking for, unless it is simply the incorrect edition. However, I did find this!

    “To take another instance, besides dividends there are the so-called directors’ fees. You probably have no idea how appallingly active a board of directors is. Once a year its members have to make a journey. They have to go to the station, get into a first-class compartment and travel to some place or other. They arrive at an appointed office at about 10 or 11 A.M. There they must listen to a report. When the report has been read, they must listen to a few comments on it. They may be kept in their seats until 1 P.M. or even 2. Shortly after 2 o’clock they rise from their chairs and set out on their homeward journey, again, of course, traveling first class. It is hardly surprising that they claim 3,000, 4,000, or even 5,000 as compensation for this: Our directors formerly did the same – for what a lot of time it costs them! Such effort had to be made worth while! Of course, we have got rid of all this nonsense, which was merely veiled profiteering and even bribery.” Adolf Hitler

    Whew! It looks to me like Hitler, while not wrong about the do-nothing boards of directors, would fit right into the anti-Capitalistic Democrat Left! If uncertain about that, see this:

    I wish to put before you a few basic facts: The first is that in the capitalistic democratic world the most important principle of economy is that the people exist for trade and industry, and that these in turn exist for capital. We have reversed this principle by making capital exist for trade and industry, and trade and industry exist for the people. In other words, the people come first. Everything else is but a means to this end. When an economic system is not capable of feeding and clothing a people, then it is bad, regardless of whether a few hundred people say: ‘As far as I am concerned it is good, excellent; my dividends are splendid.’

    However, the dividends do not interest me at all. Here we have drawn the line. They may then retort: ‘Well, look here, that is just what we mean. You jeopardize liberty.’

    Yes, certainly, we jeopardize the liberty to profiteer at the expense of the community, and, if necessary, we even abolish it. British capitalists, to mention only one instance, can pocket dividends of 76, 80, 95, 140, and even 160 per cent from their armament industry. Naturally they say: ‘If the German methods grow apace and should prove victorious, this sort of thing will stop.’

    They are perfectly right. I should never tolerate such a state of affairs. In my eyes, a 6 per cent dividend is sufficient. Even from this 6 per cent we deduct one-half and, as for the rest, we must have definite proof that it is invested in the interest of the country as a whole. In other words, no individual has the right to dispose arbitrarily of money which ought to be invested for the good of the country. If he disposes of it sensibly, well and good; if not, the National Socialist state will intervene.

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_Speech_to_the_Workers_of_Berlin_(10_December_1940)

  7. Turley said: “His recovery is a huge personal accomplishment …”
    Why do you assume he really has recovered? Addicts are notorious for making false claims of recovery, because it is the easy way out of a conversation or situation, and many or most addicts become that in the first place because they are weak souls looking for that “easy way”. Hunter Biden seems to be even weaker and have less regard for the truth than most such persons, and has an immense sense of entitlement exacerbating those characteristics. That statement is ridiculously naive, and indicative of a huge blind spot.

  8. Hunter’s gun violation was for possessing a Colt Cobra, a five-shot .38 caliber revolver often called a “detective special.” However, in the pictures from his laptop, Hunter is brandishing an automatic pistol that clearly is not the Colt Cobra. A trial in this case is unlikely because, in addition to Hunter’s testimony, it likely would require testimony from Hallie Biden, his deceased brother’s wife with whom he was carrying on a sexual relationship. Hallie, according to Politico, took Hunter’s gun, the Colt Cobra, and threw it in a public trash bin behind a grocery store and across from a high school. She later returned to fetch the gun but it was gone. Eventually, it was turned over to the police by an unnamed person who found it while rummaging the trash. The gun store that sold Hunter the weapon was questioned by Secret Service Agents who demanded the papers documenting the sale. The store owner refused to provide them to the agents but later turned them over to the ATF, the agency that regulates gun dealers. Obviously, even if only some of these details provable and material it would be grist for a long, embarrassing and revealing trial. Thus, a deal is inevitable but a part of that deal should be an agreement by Hunter to disclose information about the photo on his laptop in which he is brandishing an automatic pistol.

  9. Sober since June 2019 ??? And that package of cocaine just mysteriously appeared in the White House last year ??? You know, the one that the Secret Service couldn’t determine who dropped it off ???

  10. “Hunter’s struggle resonates with many in this country. His recovery is a huge personal accomplishment”

    Hunter is a self-absorbed, narcissistic jerk. Let us not worship his actions.

    1. Two (or more) things can be true at the same time.

      Hunter deserves credit for his efforts to escape what was a pretty significant addiction.
      He is also a self-absorbed narcissitic jerk, as well as an entitle criminal.

      1. John, I agree with you, but one who is a drug addict should not suddenly become a hero where he is worshipped. We saw a lot of that with actors and actresses. They want adulation for their behavior. Instead, they should be apologizing and forever telling people not to become the people they were.

        I have a lot of sympathy for anyone in pain, but I don’t particularly appreciate creating heroes from people who have destroyed the lives of others. We need to think of the families, friends and those who were roped into being like them. Also, we need to think of how they got their money to afford their addiction and the people injured and killed by them.

        Let’s look out for the innocent, not the guilty. When we are finished looking out for the innocent, we can turn our attention to the guilty.

        1. >”Let’s look out for the innocent, not the guilty. When we are finished looking out for the innocent, we can turn our attention to the guilty.” ~ S. Meyer

          Well said. .. does that apply to Gaza?

          *30,000+ killed in Gaza now .. . mostly women and children.

          1. “Well said. .. does that apply to Gaza?”

            Of course, GDSnowden, however, the blame is on Hamas, the people of Gaza that voted in Hamas, the people of Gaza that assisted the killing of over 1,200 innocents, etc.

            Israel could end the war in a week, but it is trying to preserve life and has exceeded such preservation of any other army fighting a major war. Considering the fact that billions of dollars were given to the Gazans, who then created tunnels and weaponry to destroy civilians in Israel, what do you think Israel can do? Will you help get the Gazans out of harm’s way when Israel tries to move them away from the battlefield? I haven’t heard you say anything that would protect human life. I have only heard you say things that have caused the deaths of Jews. Why haven’t you protested over the past 75 years when the Palestinians supported by the Arab nations attacked Israel when Israel was willing to accept the green line?

            Let us hear some suggestions from you that haven’t been tried before. You have no legitimate ones because of anti-Semitic ideas that formerly surrounded what you said. The only solution is to finish a war started by Gazans and force peace on the people.

            1. Exactly on point! The Gazans voted for Hamas. They voted for terrorists to run their country. I have little sympathy for them. FAFO.

            2. No. S. Meyer. I suspect the ephemeral-elected ‘Hamas’ militants probably have more in common with Bibi Netanyahu than the Palestinians.

              In any case, it is mostly innocent women and children in Gaza who have been killed by Bibi & co.. With a couple million more trapped there – like fish in a barrel – awaiting their fate. Absent reprieve, almost certainly a slow and painful death. These are the facts, and they are not in dispute.

              If there was ever a time for Israel to muster a few conspicuous acts of kindness .. . now would be the time.

              *”Let’s look out for the innocent, not the guilty. When we are finished looking out for the innocent, we can turn our attention to the guilty.” ~ S. Meyer

              1. “I suspect the ephemeral-elected ‘Hamas’ militants probably have more in common with Bibi Netanyahu than the Palestinians.”

                Tell us the specifics of your claim. Netanyahu sent troops in after the savage slaughter of over 1,200 Israelis. We don’t discuss the almost daily rocket attacks from the Iranian terrorist groups that you support. You are not providing data or what you think Israel should do that hasn’t been tried before.

                Are the civilians in Gaza innocent? I assume some are, but how does one tear them away from a Hamas terrorist when they are being used as human shields? Why do we see so much civilian involvement supporting Hamas terrorism? You don’t mention that because your ideas that appear anti-Semitic tell you Jews deserve to be killed. During WW2, you might have made a good companion with the Nazis and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, that made a deal to exterminate the Jews. Maybe you like what Hitler did, and perhaps you protested when America and the British killed civilians in much greater numbers. I only hear your words, and they are terrible and ignorant.

                “Let’s look out for the innocent, not the guilty. When we are finished looking out for the innocent, we can turn our attention to the guilty.”

                Yes, but sometimes terrorists use the stupid attitude of some to win. You forget all the terrorist savagery in the world. You forget the deaths of many Christians at the hands of the people You love. You feel so self-righteous. You must be a leftist.

                1. Hardly know where to begin, S. Meyer.

                  Yes. The Children in Gaza are innocent. Get that through your thick skull.

                  Only some kind of fanatical ‘nationalist’ or a blithering idiot could misconstrue my comments as support for ‘Hamas’, terror, Hitler, the Nazi or any of that other nonsense that rolls off your tongue like clockwork.

                  *not sure if your intellectual incoherency is the result of clinging to some obscure 3,000yr old parchment .. . or you really are unable to understand.

                  1. “Hardly know where to begin”

                    Of course, DGSnowden, that is true. You need to figure out where to begin because you don’t know the facts and have difficulty thinking critically.

                    All children are initially innocent, but when mommy and daddy strap a bomb on his chest to blow him up along with Israeli school children, that innocence is used as a vehicle for terror. Many mommies and daddies are thrilled with the results, and they name streets for those terrorists and provide the families with stipends for the rest of their lives. Bring up a terrorist child, and mommy and daddy can improve their standard of living.

                    Even the young single-digit children are relatively innocent even when you see them practicing to kill Jews. I am waiting for your answer to this problem. I have mine. End the wars with a decisive victory and, as MacArthur did in Japan, help create a new and peaceful society. You would prefer Kamikazees today flying into civilian buildings and killing people, including themselves. That is the type of person you are.

                    “Only some kind of fanatical ‘nationalist’ or a blithering idiot could misconstrue my comments as support for ‘Hamas’, terror.”

                    No, you are either terminally stupid or somewhat of an anti-Semite. Choose your poison. Your words tell us that you are likely both and cannot think complex thoughts. That is your problem. You decided not to learn and try to figure out how to handle certain situations. You chose to feel superior by decrying death without providing solutions. You are a typical leftist moron.

                    1. Snowden is either a Jew hater, a radical leftist fighting the “oppressor” or a weak kneed simp forcing the good people to acquiesce to evil because the evil guys put their own people in danger.

                      Would you have not bombed Germany? I know the question seems trite these days, but would you or would you not have bombed Germany? How about Japan? Was the Rape of Nanking just another historical event? Should the Imperial Japanese have been left to continue running Japan because in order to defeat them innocent Japanese women and children would die?

                      Sorry Snowden but the Gazans voted for these monsters, the Gazans spit on women kidnap victims, Gazans hid kidnap victims and Gazans have not given up Hamas terrorists even now. Sorry for the Gazans but it is either them or innocent, truly innocent, people trying to live life in peace.

                  2. Israeli Military Repairs Generator, Provides Food, Water, Fuel to Gaza’s Nasser Hospital

                    https://www.jewishpress.com/news/eye-on-palestine/hamas/israeli-military-repairs-generator-provides-food-water-fuel-to-gazas-nasser-hospital/2024/02/17/

                    While repairing the generator Israel brought in another generator so the hospital could keep functioning.

                    Hamas militarized the hospital before the IDF entered. Now Israel has to protect the hospital from Hamas terrorists.

                    1. IMHO, the IDF needs to keep killing those folks until the words, “We will fight again no more forever” comes out of their mouths.

                    2. “IMHO, the IDF needs to keep killing those folks until the words, “We will fight again no more forever” comes out of their mouths.”

                      Floyd, the translation of what you say is the unconditional victory by Israel. Israel has won many times, but the Western nations prevented success for their own reasons. That is why the war and the deaths continue. Hamas thinks that, eventually, terrorism will get them what they want. People like Dgsnowden perpetuate that idea, and those ideas are responsible for most of the deaths.

                  3. Do you have a source on deaths in Gaza that is actually trustworthy ?

                    As to “mostly women and children” – I beleive the average age of people in Gaza is 17.

                  4. I am sure that Israel would be perfectly willing to allow the civilians in Gaza to go anywhere they want – Egypt, Jordan, Iran.
                    No one wants them. Everywhere the palestinians go they bring chaos and terrorism.

                    Other arabs do not want them.

              2. Hamas has created circumstances the Palestinian people live in. Hamas plans and crafts a battle field using women and children as shields.

                Why would you blame Israel?

          2. dgsnowden, quoting Hajji genocidal neo-Nazi Arab terrorists posted: “*30,000+ killed in Gaza now .. . mostly women and children.”

            1. Does that include the 520 killed (and their bodies magically recovered from the rubble and counted within hours) when the IDF levelled that hospital in the very first days of the Israeli response to the Oct. 7th butchery? The hospital that’s still standing, despite the Hajji claims the Israelis destroyed it when in fact one of their terrorist rockets failed and fell in a nearby parking lot?

            2. Is your reliable sources of those figures (and claims it is mostly women and children) the same intelligence sources who assured us the Biden laptop was just Russian election disinformation? Oh – and the ‘Russia Dossier’ was proof Trump conspired with Putin to steal the election?

            3. How is the IDF methodology of hunting down and killing these hajji Arab terrorists different than how we fought through the civilian populations of Fallujah and other cities just a few short years ago? Or for that matter, the occupied French population around the Normandy beachheads during D-Day.

            That claim has a kind of Soviet Democrat sense to it: alternate truths and – of course – one set of rules and demands for one, and a completely different set of rules for another.

        2. “one who is a drug addict should not suddenly become a hero where he is worshipped.”
          Absolutely.

          I would suggest the story of the prodigal son.

          We celebrate the lamb who was lost returning – even if they may again (and again) yeild to hedonistic temptations.
          Regardles sof what credit we given them for confronting their own demons – they are NOT hero’s.

          The actual heros are those who DO NOT succumb to demons and who are responsible for keeping the world running day to day – despite so many losing their way.

          Hedonistic drug addicts do not contribute to society – they destroy, they do not build.
          Their excess comes at the expense of the rest of us.

          We should congradulate them when they try to do better.
          But they only have the opportunity to wallow in hedonism, or to attempt to recover, because many many many others quietly do their jobs, day in day out, Pay the bills, raise families, so all the things that keep society from falling apart because of those like Hunter.

          “We saw a lot of that with actors and actresses. They want adulation for their behavior. Instead”
          I have no problem recognizing the skill and hard work that many of the creative people – often on the left engage in, and the contribution that they make with their art.

          That does not mean that I care about their politics or opinions.

          Economics is always at the margins. The absolute most important things to society are those that cost the least.
          What does air and water cost ? Yet we can not live without them.

          The job of a free market is to turn scarcety into abundance.

          I would strongly recomend
          http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/

          It was for a long time an expensive test from Princton University text. When Prof. Simon died he directed that it be made available for free.

          There is massive amounts of data in this book.

          The thesis of the book is the only truly limited resource in the human mind.

          Prices do NOT primarily reflect how valuable something is. The primarily reflect how much we want something that is currently scarce.
          If enough people want it badly enough, if it is of critical importance – like water and air it will eventually become nearly free.

          1. What you said, “But they only have the opportunity to wallow in hedonism, or to attempt to recover, because many many many others quietly do their jobs, day in day out, Pay the bills, raise families, so all the things that keep society from falling apart because of those like Hunter”

            Should be chiseled in stone. I think of California, where they are providing the homeless with new apartments. But I read somewhere that over half the homeless have drug or alcohol problems. If half the tenants are addicts, they are simply going to make life into a living hell for the other half. Somebody is getting a payoff to build them.

    2. S M – People die because of the drug trade. Hunter and other addicts are partly responsible for those deaths.

      1. Ed, you are entirely correct. My heart feels pain for everyone, but I cannot put behind me the pain of 100,000 plus dead, plus the families, friends and nation. The left talks about gun control, where the death rate is significantly lower, and many deaths protect innocents. Still, they don’t care about the open border that increases the number of dead now and in the future that the Biden Administration is accelerating.

        1. True. What makes drug addicts any less responsible for the bad things that happen, than purchasers of kiddie porn? And we lock those kind of people up for a long time.

          1. Floyd, some members on this blog indulge in drugs and kiddie porn. That is where their sympathies lie and that is why they enable druggies at our schools and pornography in elementary schools. He is an example of what the left is proud of and calls book banning when it is removed from the shelves of elementary schools.

            https://asrainvestigates.substack.com/p/fairfax-county-puts-the-x-rated-in

            Check out 5:17 unless you do not wish to look at kiddie porn.

            1. That was terrible. It just makes me sick. No wonder the Democrats hate the school voucher stuff, because would send their kids to that kind of school, if they had a choice. Luckily, mine all went to a private religious school. I read something this morning, from Marcus Furius Camillus, “When we obeyed the Gods, we did well.”

              1. Floyd, if you get a chance, read Christopher Rufo. He is one step ahead of everyone. DeSantis smartly appointed him and another to the board of the New College to change from a leftist Florida university into a top-notch school like others in Florida. He has a new book out. In the past, he released copied syllabuses from public schools and exposed CRT and DEI. He is a new type of face ready to replace the garbage leftists.

                Our typical anonymous know-nothings hate him.

                1. I will check him out! BTW, that book on Readings in Western Civ (Knoles) came in. Not the same book, unless my memory is completely bad. So, I ordered a later edition. From 1960. I am pretty much home bound, and it is so nice that you can just about find anything online now, and often, for very little, or even free. Did you see this link, I provided somewhere on here:

                  https://www.tamaqua.k12.pa.us/cms/lib/PA01000119/Centricity/Domain/119/WesternCivilizationDocs.pdf

                  Now that I am mostly retired, I have time to read, and time to get online and do things, like at this website.

                  1. “Now that I am mostly retired, I have time to read,”

                    Floyd, I checked your book out and you are going to need a lot of time.

                    I never saw your link before. It’s fantastic. Just what I wanted. It didn’t say who compiled it. If you are interested in a similar book solely about important American documents, Hillsdale University sells it.

  11. Joe Biden bragged for many years about writing and pushing through the Crime Bill. The one where anyone caught with crack cocaine would get an automatic five year sentence. Said they could have their cars, houses, bank accounts taken away. But when it’s his own kid, he’s a ‘victim’ and he’s ‘suffering’, so feel sorry for him. Just another of the countless examples of their *Rules For Thee, Not For We*.

  12. All James Comer has to do is get Natasha and Svetlana to sign a sworn affidavit that they saw Hunter with a gun that He ‘said’ was his.
    These two Eye Witnesses to his illegal activities can provide plenty more evidence to support the Crime(s) perpetrated by Hunter Biden.
    As there is Actual Physical Evidence of the Two (2 “Hookers”) in his Crack Smoking Photos ‘partying’, it establishes their relationship.
    In addition there maybe Cell Phone GPS data to support the claims.

    I don’t believe an Addict would not have a Weapon in the practice of Purchasing and using illegal substances and soliciting the services of the two ‘Ladies’.
    I also do not think that these Two are the only Two, and Hunter bought Services from. In addition there was also a Drug Dealer(s) and Escort Agency (Pimps) that would be able to establish Hunters activities.

    Plain and Simple, You don’t invite Hoes into your Crib unless you have ‘backup’ (a Gun) on hand. – Hunter had “assistance” in his activities.
    I tend to believe it was ‘Professional Assistance’, recommended by Governmental Personnel.

    Still can’t fathom how Hunter passed the SR86 background check (Standard Form 86 / SF 85 / SF 87) and circumvented FARA without the assistance of Governmental Personnel at some level. Even the White House has Security protocol that would warrant barring Hunters clearance.

    1. Oh come on, Hunter’s activities have the same ‘Sealed Evidence’ as ex-President Bill Clinton’s trip to Jeffery Epstein’s Island.
      Certainly the Secret Service at least knew of, or was along for the ride, when Bill flew there.
      So if Hunter didn’t have a Gun while Hosting Hoe’s, it was because the Secret Service was standing outside the Door while he smoked and did his business with the Hookers.

      If only the Secret Service could Talk, Oh what a tail to tell. The National Archives would be bursting at the seams with ‘confidential documents’ – HA!

      https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/who-visited-jeffrey-epsteins-paedophile-island-bill-clinton-named-over-50-times-in-court-records-101704210084537.html

    2. The house is investigating Government corruption.
      It is NOT a supliment to the FBI investigation of Hunter.

      Hunter is relevant to the extent that his actions involve influence peddling or political bias in government investigations,

  13. I, like so many Americans, have learned that the Biden family is immune from the laws that govern the rest of society. We have overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing, yet none of the people involved are ever held accountable. That’s why the average American has come to the conclusion that the legal system is the playground of hired guns in thousand-dollar suits, pleading their cases before ideologue judges in their black robes, without a particle of regard for Justice. A game. A facade. A kabuki theatre to give corruption a veneer of legitimacy. The Law is a joke to us now. Justice is dead. And it’s proven to us that obedience and respect for the Law is a fool’s game.

    1. When has it ever been different for the wealthy?

      But obedience to and respect for the Law is still not a fool’s game. It is an imperfect game, as are all human activities. The healthy response is to improve it, not abandon it.

      1. There is actually good reason for deference to the wealthy.

        Whether you like it or not, and contra TV very very very few people get wealthy and stay that way long who lie cheat or steal.

        No one is ever required to buy what another sells. Free exchange only occurs when either people trust each other.

        A persons credit rating, their income, their wealth are all indica of trustworthiness.
        Not perfect ones, but strong ones nonetheless.

        The problem with the legal system today is not income or racial discrimination, it is the growing political weaponization of law enforcement and the courts.

          1. Smith, Friedman, Coase, say, Bastiat, Hayek, a long long long list of the best economist of all time.

            My alias – JohnBSay is a reference to Jean Batiste Say – the economist who formulate the laws of supply and demand.

      2. Biden is not truley wealthy and he certainly did not make what wealth he does have legitimately. He made it from public corruption.

        It is not the wealthy that are protected – it is the political classes.
        The wealthy have to pay them for protection and then they have to pray they will keep up their end.

    2. And, if you are a student of history you already know that this situation is the hallmark of a nation in freefall to destruction. Without faith in the rule of law being imposed without partiality, a citizenry feels no obligations to that government and will either rebel or submit to tyranny. Which path will we take?

      1. In the history of human civilizations, when has the law ever been imposed without partiality?

        Again, the healthy response is to improve it, not abandon it.

          1. It isn’t. That it has always been imperfect does not imply that it cannot be improved.

            1. You assume history is linear, and that “things” (like the administration of law) are always improving. But history also shows that “things” can also regress… and we are now experiencing yet another regression.

              Human nature is what it is, for better or worse. Or are you one of those who believe humans can be “perfected”?

              1. “You assume history is linear…”

                If you mean that change occurs linearly, no, I don’t assume that at all. Strange that you’d project that onto me.

                “You assume … that “things” (like the administration of law) are always improving.”

                Nonsense. That it’s possible to improve something relative to where it is at a given point in time does not imply that it can’t instead get worse. That X is possible does not imply that X occurred. But we’re better off working to improve things. And that’s especially the case when they’re getting worse. The initial effect may be just to slow the rate of regression.

                1. I have no problems with much of what you say.

                  I have problems believing that you believe what you say.

                  Nor do I believe you understand how hard improvement is, and how easy failure is.

                  For 300,000 years of human history a rate of improvement of 1% per millennium would be high.

                  It is only in the past millennia, the past 500 years, since the recognition of the fundamental nature of free will,
                  that we have seen improvement of 1%.year or even 10%/year.

        2. That’s right not, but wordsmiths gotta wordsmith. It’s not the law, it’s the corrupt activists administering or avoiding it. What the meaning of is is, come on. Bribes dressed up as payments for speeches or fictitious services rendered.
          Nope, a good sturdy branch on a live oak would go further than any new and improved lawyering could ever do. Laws without accountability mean ZERO and lead to social deca.

        3. I do not disagree, but I am pretty certain that we are not in agreement on how to do that, or how small the problem has actually been until recently.

          Our system is neither perfect, nor perfectable. But it can be improved – that is actually very very hard. it also can be made worse – that is very very easy. Most efforts to improve govenrment or society through government make things worse.

          Most successful improvements occur outside of government – where when we make mistakes -and we make LOTS of mistakes, those mistakes fail and are quickly discarded. When we rarely succeed, those successes add a bit and we gt ever so slightly better.

  14. But, but, but “Everybody lies on their gun form!”

    Seriously, I could care less about his stupid gun form, and whether he lied. I am more interested where he got the money to buy the drugs, and to support all his other vices. I am more interested in why, as a member of the board of Burisma, he somehow never went to Ukraine. Or why he did go to other countries with his dad, aboard Air Force whatever.

    I actually hope that Hunter meets Jesus, for real, and decides to come clean about what a crook his father is. Comes clean about his father taking half his money, and about the 10% for the Big Guy.

    In rehab, they tell you that you can not really get clean and sober, until you quit lying.

    1. Even if he manages to slide out of that courtroom without a conviction for anything, half of this nation already knows, in their hearts, the sleazy nature of his entire family and “the big guy”. The problem for this nation is that there is half of this nation totally dependent on the continued flow of money from the government to these parasites (and in this group I include, not only the welfare and illegals who suck at this governments nipple, but all the bureaucracy that administers the overreach of our government entities and those who receive largesse from the government in the form of research grants and government procurement purchases. Until we strangle this government leviathan we will change nothing by voting or proclaiming our disgust. Either we force a change or we submit to the coming tyranny.

    2. The gun issue and the IRS issues are relevant specifically because they are indicators of GOVERNMENT corruption.

      These offenses are relatively minor. in agregate is Hunter’s last name were not Biden he wild have been tried, convicted served his time and been released by now.

      The issue is not about Hunter it is about the corruption in government that is self evident by the disparity between Hunter and other people committing similar crimes.

  15. You know, when I was once involved in a medical malpractice suit, I was advised by my attorney to study all the records, know the medical literature that pertained to the alleged malpractice and then, before we went in for what turned out to be a 4 1/2 deposition, he told me to tell the truth, and only answer the questions asked and never give explanations, unsolicited. People love to explain and especially doctors. Obviously Mr Biden either failed to receive that advice or ignored it, probably to his detriment.
    A deposition is like a talk before a bunch of peers. If you have prepared well, then you know more then anyone in the room about the case or the subject and you should use that to your advantage, mainly by not mentioning that which you do not know or points that you do not wish to discuss. Make the opposite side’s attorneys work for their fees and the audience, if it’s a talk, should try to think and question you about points that were not clear. You can lay traps by not mentioning things in talks or depositions yet have defenses well prepared and ready to pounce if the opposition stumbles on to one of the unmentioned points.
    Lastly, family members and other relatives and close friends will lie through their teeth to protect one of their own, especially when money or a big settlement is in the possible result. Blatantly and obviously they will do this.

  16. Sammy-It’s the abuse of the legal system averting enforcement, refusing powers, running out limitations and more by AJ’s, DOJ and FBI that keep Turley focused on this matter. It’s the Corruption!

  17. If Hunter was a poor white punk or an aspiring black rapper, he would be so far under the jail he’d intercept Joe’s direct tunnel to China!

  18. Other then family members and friends, no one on the left cares if Hunter goes to jail or not. Why is Turley obsessed with this?

    1. The left only looks at hunter. Intelligent people ask: what did joe know?

      That answer keeps changing. Typically a sign of lying.

    2. If you or I had lied on ATF form 4473 the way Hunter did, we would of already been charged, convicted and serving time.
      The good professor is just pointing out the two tiered justice system, to what lengths the corrupt DOJ will go to, to protect the BCF.
      Only those on the left do not, will not see the gross corruption on display and give the Biden’s a pass.
      The rest of us normal people see it for what it is and are rightfully so disgusted.

      1. Except the data does not support this.

        In the 2019 fiscal year, when Hunter Biden purchased his gun, federal prosecutors received 478 referrals for lying on Form 4473 — and filed just 298 cases, according to data extracted from the U.S. attorneys’ case management system. That’s out of approximately 27 million background checks undertaken in a 12-month period.

        But don’t let facts get in the way of your preferred narrative.

        https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22015885-glenn-kessler-records-re-922a6-prosecutions

        1. OHHH, so that’s why Dems keep pushing more gun laws. The ones they have they wont prosecute. So the obvious answer is to write more laws. To ignore the new laws, like the old laws are ignored.

        2. You presume that every referal for lying is an actual case of a clear prosecutable lie – Hunter’s is.

          I would note that your OWN evidence suggests the Hunter case is unsual – because most people DO NOT LIE.
          Its YOUR data, do not blame me.

          I would further note that gun charges – as in Hunter’s case do not normally arise stand alone.
          They arrise when OTHER crimes bring them to the attention of law enforcement.

          THEN gun charges are used as leverage to get guilty pleas.
          Why ? Because Gun Charges are relatively easy to prove, and relatively easy to convict.
          But prosecutors do not want headlines such as “drug addict who lied to buy a gun gets 5yrs”
          They want “Burglar pleads guilty to 20 home invasions – gets 5yrs.”

      2. Hunter Biden is rich. Rich people are treated much better by the courts then non-rich people. This is how it has always been. Trump is getting preferential treatment also. You can’t denounce what is happening to Hunter without denouncing the entire system, including Trump.

        1. Democrats scoff at Biden family influence peddling evidence, reversing standards used for Trump
          “A fluid definition of “evidence”: While the Oversight Committee has assembled evidence and sworn testimony, Democrats continue to fight the probe while decrying the same standards they used against former President Trump’s foreign business dealings.”
          https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/dems-discount-biden-family-influence-peddling-evidence-breaking

          1. Unsurprisingly, if you actually read the reports from Just the News and the WaPo article referenced therein, there is no “concrete evidence” of anything. Just the News secured draft talking points. WaPo reports that the draft talking points were not the majority view of the White House at the time, and quotes (and names) officials to speak to that point. The “evidence” is circumstantial at best, certainly not “concrete.”

            But yet again, please don’t let the facts get in the way of your preferred narrative.

            Just the News is about as reliable as the Daily Kos.

        2. Upstate, do you think Sammy will read anything? Based on his inability to use facts, I think not, so I will take one sentence from that report.

          ” Since Goldman made this statement the impeachment inquiry uncovered bank records showing payments directly to Joe Biden from both his son and brother as well as took witness testimony confirming Biden met with several of his son’s business partners, foreign and otherwise.”

          Sammy do you think the Russian agent created those records?

        3. “Trump is getting preferential treatment also.” That’s why he is being sued in too many lawsuits to count.

        4. You think Trump as a prior President of the United States is getting preferential treatment from the judiciary? They are persecuting Trump not prosecuting Trump, NY has enacted law to remove statute of limitations to allow Trump to be sued while the DOJ ran out the Statute of limitations on taxes so Hunter skated. Sammy, you can’t be that ignorant or dishonest. It may be one thing to dislike Trump but what corruption can do to him they can do to anyone.

    3. BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY!!! & yours is on full display! However, all on the left would be apoplectic if the last name were Trump.

    4. Sammy, intelligent people understand there is evidence that the Bidens are dealing with our enemies for personal gain and that Hunter is an integral part. What is your excuse for not recognizing that?

      1. The “evidence” you claim was planted by a Russian agent. I wish I were exaggerating but I am not.

        1. You lack any degree of critical thinking skills. I wish I were exaggerating but I am not.

        3. Sammy, do you think Bobulinski is a Russian agent? Do you know who Bobulinski is?

          Do you think the Russian agent created those checks that ended up in the Biden family’s pockets?

          Do you think what was on the laptop was created by that Russian agent as well?

          Do you think?

          1. ignore sammy. He is a troll. But of less intellengence of most all the other trolls. It really is just mindless twaddle from sammy

            1. Iowan, you are absolutely correct, except that you give Sammy more credit than he deserves.

    5. Sammy, playing a confused Soviet Democrat neophyte party apparatchik posted this: “Why is Turley obsessed with this”

      The response is “Why are the Soviet Democrats and their online Marxist Useful Idiots so desperate to claim there is no evidence of federal law enforcement agencies hiding a staggering amount of criminality carried out by the son of a vice president while he was in the White House? Particularly crimes that involved millions of dollars flowing into Biden pockets from adversarial nations shortly after Sonny was invited to go to those adversarial nations with Vice President Daddy on Air Force Two? ”

      Obviously, some would like to see The Bagman Formerly Known As The Crackhead Kid jailed simply because he’s the despicable son of a despicable racist, power hungry lying father.

      Others would like to see him jailed because they are outraged that while others get jailed for tax evasion, lying on FBI background check forms, or jailed for being unregistered foreign agents, the same enforcement agencies who jail them work overtime to hide the felonies of The Kid.

      A lot, however (and I would assume Turley is in this group) are deeply upset at the shyte show that they are engaged in right in public view: federal prosecutors who hide the felonies of The Bagman Formerly Known As The Crackhead Kid. Federal prosecutors who deliberately allowing statute of limitations to expire while offering unprecedented nonsensical plea agreements on others – while other federal prosecutors invent crimes to go after others. Federal investigators and prosecutors who commit perjury before FISA judges and criminal trial judges to take out their targets in a fashion that Stalin’s Lavarentiy Beria would approve of.

      And beyond that, when The Bagman repeatedly complained of having to pay Vice President Daddy 10% of his take from adversarial nations, for positions he was completely unqualified to be employed at, while Vice President Daddy was suddenly rolling in dough… the link between The Bagman and The Big Guy needs to be brought from Federal enforcement agency concealment and investigated.

      Think Sammy was complaining when the Soviet Democrats were obsessively investigating any and all potential financial links between Trump and his children during Trump’s four years in office? No, during those four years of repeatedly subpoening Trump’s children, Sammy was on the edge of his seat hoping they found some money links between Trump while president and his children.

      So why are Sammy and his fellow Soviet Democrats so upset that Turley keeps pointing out the naked corruption within the Obama/Biden presidency and now Obama’s Third Term that their DoJ and federal law enforcement has both facilitated and concealed?

  19. We could always ask the NY Times for a “fact check”. Oh wait, Claire McCaskill has demanded that they no longer fact check the Bidens.

    1. The New York Times fact checked Biden last week: “At recent public and campaign events, though, Mr. Biden has made some misleading statements about the economy, jobs and taxes.” They reported Biden’s false & misleading statements.

      Last week, Fox News Neil Cavuto cut off Trump’s speech & said “Even though the former President is entitled to his own opinion, he’s not entitled to his own set of facts.” Cavuto then proceeded to fact check Trump’s numerous false claims.

      All politicians are liars, hullbobby.

      1. No one fact checks Biden like he should be. You know that. & Cavoto is a damn lying rino. Fox, controlled opposition

      2. ” Fox News Neil Cavuto”

        But, you don’t know what those facts are or you would mention them. You are a waste of time.

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