While pundits, politicians and the press have long expressed outrage over attacks on judges by former President Donald Trump, many are now attacking any judge who delays any trial of Trump before the election. Democrats have accused Judge Aileen Cannon of being politically compromised, if not conspiratorial, in her delay of the Florida trial over the mishandling of classified documents. Yet, there is ample reason for the delay that many of us anticipated in this type of case when it was filed.
For months, many of us have said that we doubt that this type of trial could be held on the rapid schedule demanded by Special Counsel Jake Smith. Smith has repeatedly sought to curtail trial review and even appellate rights of Trump to advance his schedule.
His office has made convicting Trump before the election the overriding objective of its motion — a sharp departure from past Justice Department efforts to avoid trials to influence elections.
As a criminal defense counsel, I have handled classified material cases and they are notoriously slow. Smith could have prosecuted this case in the shorter time frame if he simply charged obstruction. That would have also eliminated the glaring contrast with the handling of the Biden investigation into the current president’s retention and mishandling of classified material.
Smith decided to charge an array of document charges related to classified material. The defense must have access, review, and can appeal issues related to the classified procedures. Yet, Smith wanted both the array of document charges and a fast track to trial. The Supreme Court has agreed with Cannon that Smith’s desire to secure a conviction before the election is not the overriding consideration.
Judge Cannon is faced with recent admissions that the government mixed up files in the boxes and staged the famous photos of documents strewn over a floor with classified jackets. Most importantly, disputes over the relevant documents continues as expected in the case.
Nevertheless, leading democrats are denouncing Cannon as a partisan hack.
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee’s subcommittee on federal courts and oversight, accused Cannon of “deliberately slow-walking the case.” Ignoring the fact that similar cases have taken much longer to go to trial, Whitehouse simply declared “it is hard for me not to reach the conclusion that this [judge] is deliberately slow-walking the case to put it into a position where should [Trump] be elected, he can order that the investigation and prosecution be terminated.”
His colleague Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) insisted that Cannon was “managing this case in a way that is making it highly unlikely that it will be resolved in a timely fashion.”
Coons added “Justice deferred is often justice denied.” It is a bizarre statement. Classified documents cases routinely take longer to go to trial. The alternative is to cut off the ability of the defense to fully review the documents and review objections for resolution before trial. Yet, because the defendant is Trump and these Democrats want the trial to influence the election, such defense protections are now evidence of judicial bias.
They, of course, ignore that Cannon has ruled repeatedly against major Trump motions in the case.
Sen. Peter Welch (D-Vt.), a member of the Judiciary Committee, said Cannon’s “at it again, doing everything she can to delay.”
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), offered the most telling line. He said “I question whether this judge understands the magnitude or the legal import of this trial.”
Indeed, it is the timing as much as the charges that makes this so important to the Justice Department and the Democrats. Smith has crafted this case to impact the election and the failure of the court to support that effort is apparently grounds for recusal.
Blumenthal called for such a motion before the window is lost before the election: “It’s a classic dilemma for justice that a particular judicial officer may be conducting a trial that could be better done by somebody else.”
Despite the statement of his colleague Coons, this is a case where justice delayed is justice.
As is becoming usual, I don’t know where to start. Turley claims Smith is trying to somehow curtail Trump’s “trial review” and “appellate rights”. As to alleged “appellate rights”–to delay trial on the merits, Trump tries to run to an appeals court every time he gets an adverse ruling–this is called an “interlocutory appeal”–there is NO right to an “interlocutory appeal”–meaning an appeal of an Order that is not a final judgment. And, yes, Smith should oppose these delay tactics. Justice delayed is justice denied.
Turley claims that it is the “overriding objective” of Smith to get Trump tried before the election, as if Turley is somehow privy to Smith and his team’s objectives. If, as Trump claims, he didn’t do anything wrong, he should also want to get the case to trial before the election to put the controversy behind him, but instead, he deploys every dilatory tactic in the book because he knows he’s wrong. Even Turley has had to admit that the stolen documents case is strong.
Turley makes the feeble effort to try to directly compare Biden’s inadvertent retention of some old classified documents–that he deliberately went looking for, self-reported and immediately notified the NARA about, with Trump’s deliberate theft of classified documents, lying about returning them, lying about declassifying them, hiding them and moving them around so that his own lawyer and the FBI couldn’t locate and retrive them. Turley downplays Trump’s deliberate theft as mere “retention and mishandling” of the documents. Turley doesn’t even mention that Mike Pence also discovered classified materials that he sought out and self-reported. There’s all the difference in the world between intentionally stealing classified documents, refusing polite requests to return them, lying about returning them, moving them around to prevent detention, lying about “declassifying” them as an excuse for the theft and then playing the victim when the FBI was forced to seize them.
Cannon IS deliberately slow-walking this case. The case of Sam Bankman-Fried, the cryptocurrency guy, went to trial 11 months after he was charged. That, too, was a case with complicated issues, but no more complicated that the stolen documents case. It has now been one full year since Trump was charged and Cannon is deliberately dragging her feet and trying to prevent a trial before the election. The reason is obvious. It is wrong for a judge to use her position for political purposes.
Amen, brother!
Idiot, SBF case did not have 13 million+ docs for discovery.
Cannon is NOT “slow-walking” this case, but she is laying out a case against Jack Smith and Jay Bratt for malicious prosecution, and other crimes.
And none of the docs in the Scam Bankrupt Fraud case were classified.
“From your lips to God’s ears.”
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@Gigi
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What a blow bag. She should be working for CNN or MSNBC.
She’s working for her savior, Karl Marx.
Freedom and Self-Reliance scare the hell out of her.
Trump did not do anything wrong. Read my post above. Or maybe read the laws pertaining to the President and the Consitution.
Gigi,
Presidents have plenary power. VP’s and Senators AND Secretary’s of State, NO POWER to posses Classified Documents after leaving office
The President of the United States can take a document, with the very highest classification, declassify on the spot, declare it a Personal Paper, on the spot, and it is all constitutional.
You are free to disagree. What is impossible to do, is state what officer has the Constitutional POWER to challenge these actions of POTUS
I will give you a free hint, so you wont look to stupid.
If you are tempted to cite legal statutes, you are way off base. This rests 100% on Constitutional POWER. To enter the debate you have to find a superior Constitutional POWER
THE POWER – UTTERLY, CATEGORICALLY AND EXCLUSIVELY
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Article II, Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
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The President alone wields the executive branch power of classification, declassification, disposition, and archiving of materials.
The legislative branch has no legal basis to usurp any aspect, facet or degree of the power of the executive branch.
No legislation usurping the power of the executive branch is constitutional.
No legislation usurping the power of the executive branch to classify, declassify and archive material is constitutional.
For what I hope is the last time—declassifying documents is a formal process that involves the agency that classified the documents. A paper trail is created. Trump is lying once again about declassifying the documents he stole.
Wrong again sweetie. Original Classification Authority (OCA) resides with the executive (president) alone. He and he alone has the power to classify and declassify AT WILL.
Agency classifications ARE SUBSERVIENT TO THE PRESIDENTIAL OCA. They report to him, not vice versa, sweetie.
Thus, the ACT of taking “classified” documents while still president automatically declassifies them.
Please refrain from commenting further until you grasp this information.
Please review Excutive Order 13526–entitled “Classified National Security Information” –in particular, Part 3–“Declassification and Downgrading” and please refrain from commenting further until you grasp this information. There is NO such thing as “automatic declassification”–this is Trump’s feeble argument that is echoed by MAGA media.
I told you to stop commenting until you had grasped OCA.
EO 13526 DOES NOT apply to the president, the ultimate source of classification authority, sweetie.
Please also see U.S. Navy v Egan, 1987
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/484/518/
“The President, after all, is the “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.” U.S.Const., Art. II, § 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant.”
You are completely, totally, and flagrantly wrong, and stupid, as always.
For what I hope is the last time—declassifying documents is a formal process that involves the agency that classified the documents
Cite your controlling document. You are correct there is a formal process. Who controls that process?
I’m remaining civil and going to stick with this discussion. cite your source.
But I already gave you the big hint. Power. Where does the Power reside in the Classification echo system.
“Cite your controlling document.”
Right after the explanation of the “crime” and the evidence that Cannon is accepting bribes.
Those arbitrary claims are really piling up, aren’t they.
I never said Cannon was accepting bribes–I have said that she is so obviously biased that she should recuse herself. The Eleventh Circuirt Court of Appeals not only reversed her twice for pro-Trump badly-flawed rulings, but she was admonished by them-an unusual step. Another reason–she is in over her head. She lacks the experience to handle this case.
“I never said Cannon was accepting bribes . . .”
I was referring to someone else who did make that arbitrary claim.
Excutive Order 13526–entitled “Classified National Security Information” –in particular, Part 3–“Declassification and Downgrading”. It doesn’t mention anything about declassification automatically because a lame-duck president takes classified documents.
“It is wrong for a judge to use her position for political purposes.”
Judge Cannon has been scrupulously fair and non-partisan in her rulings. There is no evidence she is using her position for political purposes. Unlike Judges Chutkin, Engeron, Merchan, et. al., whose every move appears to be done for the political purpose of railroading Trump into financial ruin, felony conviction and prison. Lavrentiy Berea grins up from hell in approval at his acolytes.
DC and NY – indeed, seemingly every deep-blue prosecutorial and judicial apparatus – have become judicial Augean Stables in desperate need of a Herculean cleaning out…
She was reversed AND admonished TWICE by the Eleventh Circuit Court for her abject stupidity in trying to help Trump.
sources???
Not only were the documents that Trump took with him from the WH mishandled by the FBI and other fedgov agencies is such a way that cannot preclude the possibility that additional documents were planted by one of htose agencies, but I recently saw the report linked below that claims that, in July of 2021, a year before Smith had Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence raided, the GSA was badgering Trump’s staff to accept a total of six MORE pallets of documents from his term. Two of those pallets were delivered to Mar-a-Lago and four went to a West Palm Beach storage unit.
Federal Agency Had ‘Pallets’ Of Documents Sent To Mar-A-Lago One Year Before DOJ Raid
https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/30/federal-agency-had-pallets-of-documents-sent-to-mar-a-lago-one-year-before-doj-raid/
Is this behaior on the part of Federal agencies in any way, even in the minute detail, inconsistent with the premise that the entire classified document investigation and prosecution is nothing more than one of several attempts to frame Trump and prevent him from regaining the Presidency?
Nope. From “CTV News””
“When the General Services Administration prepared to ship pallets of material to Florida for former President Donald Trump in July 2021, the federal agency asked Trump aide Beau Harrison to affirm what was in the boxes being shipped.
Harrison, Trump’s former assistant for operations, was asked to affirm that everything packed and shipped to Florida was either “required to wind down the office of the Former President or are items that are property of the Federal Government,” so it could be covered by transition funding.
Former presidents are allowed to take certain government materials and office equipment required to set up a permanent office away from the White House. But that does not include the sort of classified documents Trump took to Mar-a-Lago — which are at the centre of an ongoing Justice Department criminal probe.
Harrison, one of the handful of aides interviewed by federal investigators in the spring as they sought information on presidential records, returned a letter on “The Office of Donald J. Trump” letterhead stating what was in the boxes.
The email exchange between GSA officials and Harrison is one of more than 100 pages of emails and documents newly released by the GSA that debunk claims from Trump and his allies that the government agency is to blame for packing the boxes containing classified documents that were later recovered by the FBI during the search of his Mar-a-Lago resort in August.
The newly released emails also provide new details underscoring the rushed, chaotic nature of Trump’s transition after he spent two months exhausting numerous avenues trying to overturn the 2020 election.
The emails make clear that the boxes had already been packed and sat shrink-wrapped in an empty office space in Arlington, Virginia, as GSA officials planned logistics to ship the five pallets of boxes — including 30 banker boxes similar to those recovered by the FBI at Mar-a-Lago — to Florida.”
Trump stole the documents, lied about it, hid them and lied about declassifying them. The GSA did not pack the boxes. Trump refused polite requests to return them.
Completely false, nothing you state is true.
Trump fully cooperated, and GSA sent docs to Trump.
G.I.G.O.
Ironic hypocrisy is usually entertaining to observe but now it is potentially lethal and is no longer amusing but alarming.
I wonder where Jack Smith will flee if Trump wins? Commie Cuba would be appropriate.
I wonder where trump will flee when he loses.
When Trump finally realizes he is going to prison he will definitely try to make a run for it.
My money is on Russia, but it could be North Korea or Saudia Arabia.
What do others think??
Trump will win and you scumbags are already showing your criminal hands with how you will attempt another steal.
If you try this, you will have a much more dire problem on your hands than where Trump will “flee” to….
Trump has no chance of winning. Haley continues to get around 20% of the votes in the primaries AFTER she withdrew.
Think about it for just a minute.
20% of REPUBLICANS are going out of their way to actually show up on a weekday just so that they can vote AGAINST Trump even though he has locked up the nomination.
There is no possible way that ANY candidate can lose 20% of the base and still win.
Completely wrong, dumbass. Trump is destroying senile pedophile Biden everywhere, including swing states and including RFK in the mix.
Biden won’t be the nominee and drops out around Memorial Day.
I suggest you get off the mushrooms my friend.
Not a response dumbass.
I suggest you try again, and much, much harder.
OK.
First of all the polls these days are essentially meaningless. This has been the case for the last 3 election cycles in case you hadn’t noticed.
Remember the RED WAVE of 2022??? No???? Neither do I.
Why is this? Because the only way to do a valid poll is by phone, and very few people have a landline any more. If pollsters try to call cell phones they are ignored. The pollsters freely admit that they use less reliable methods such as online surveys and mail polling. The people who still have landlines are basically grumpy old white men who can’t afford a cell phone. In other words MAGA morons, so the polls have always been skewed for the last 3 elections.
“First of all the polls these days are essentially meaningless. ”
+++
Could be true.
As a wise but evil man once said, it isn’t who votes that matters but who counts the votes.
The last election was stolen.
Oh ok, so polls are meaningless now, gotcha. Terrible 2nd try, dumbass.
Biden is at historical lows for approval, in addition to losing in every major poll.
He started from behind since he didn’t legitimately win 2020, and has continued the downward slide.
Senile pedophile Biden will not be the nominee. He will withdraw shortly.
You still haven’t answered my question.
Do you remember the giant RED WAVE of 2022?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the POLLS predicted the GIANT RED WAVE of 2022.
2022 was a red wave, when fraud is factored in – AZ, GA, MI, etc.
Ya gotta love the way MAGA morons backpedal into their fantasy world, when confronted with inconvenient facts.
By the way I think you will find that in all 3 of the states you mentioned, REPUBLICANS have been indicted for election interference crimes.
Sorry, no backpedaling – that’s your m.o.
Correct, in all states with proven election fraud (including now WI), bogus charges have been illegally brought for challenging obviously fraudulent results.
Funny how that happens, isn’t it?
Your capacity for magical thinking is amazing.
All the states you mention are red states where Republicans control the state legislatures, which in turn control how elections are conducted.
How is it that Democrats manage to STEAL elections controlled by Republicans.
Your outdated Republican/Democrat paradigm “thinking” is so quaint.
In AZ, do you think that McCain “Republicans” resemble MAGA “Republicans?” Explain. And who controls the levers of state power?
In GA, same question: do you think that Raffensberger/Kemp “Republicans” resemble MAGA “Republicans?” Explain. And who controls the levers of state power?
I presume by control of the levers of state power you mean the offices of Governor, Secretary of State, Attorney-General etc. in these states. Often in these states the legislatures are controlled by Republicans due to extreme gerry-mandering. The state wide elected officials are often Democrats. Republicans can’t win state wide offices because the majority of voters are Democrats, but because of historical gerry-mandering the Republicans keep control of the legislatures.
If you are suggesting that the Democrat state officials are managing to steal the Presidential elections, why aren’t they also stealing their own state legislature elections. It would be much easier to steal the elections that they directly control in their own states.
None of your assertions make any sense.
No, I am referring to who controls and runs the elections in those states.
Answer: Democrat criminals and RINO allies.
My assertions are 100% accurate. You are incapable of understanding what is transpiring because you are stupid and using an outdated framework.
They do steal state elections. They stole AZ State AG from Abe Hamadeh in AZ (there are still 9000+ votes outstanding to be counted, so Hamadeh won by several thousand).
In WI, is Robin Vos a Republican or Democrat? Why did he shut down ex- WI Supreme Court Justice Michael Gabelman’s vote fraud investigation after he started uncovering extensive fraud?
Your R/D dichotomy is no longer relevant, and the playing field has shifted from policy differences to keeping (uncorruptable) outsiders out of office to retain state criminal power.
You are missing the point I am trying to make, perhaps deliberately in your addled mind.
The examples you cite are statewide offices.
If they are stealing the Presidential elections and statewide elections, why aren’t they stealing the state legislature elections as well. These states have overwhelming Republican legislatures due to gerry-mandering. If, as you say, these Democrat state officials are stealing elections, then they would undoubtedly steal the legislatures as well.
But they are not doing so, and you are not accusing them of doing so.
Why not?
Because there is no stealing of elections going on at any level.
Wrong, you are incapable of understanding the information because your premises are wrong.
They are stealing those elections as well. I never said they didn’t, and I am explicitly accusing them of doing so.
Again, you are incapable of understanding what is transpiring because you are dumb, and using outdated R/D frameworks. RINOs have much more in common with and actively work with Democrats more than MAGA Republicans.
So when the Republicans win a majority of seats in the state legislatures it is because the Democrat state officials are stealing them.
Who are they stealing them from?
Why would a Democrat state official steal a state legislature election for a Republican?
I think in your extraordinarily twisted logic you are saying that the Democrats are in cahoots with Republicans to steal elections from MAGA. The problem with this logic is that there are only Democrat and Republican candidates in these elections. I have yet to see a MAGA candidate who was not a Republican.
How can an election be stolen from MAGA when there is no MAGA candidate to steal from?
You answered your own question and are too dumb to understand – RINOs and Democommies are THE SAME PARTY.
They work together to thwart MAGA. This is proven.
Additionally, show me full signature audits and full machine audits for states where mail-in ballots and electronic tabulation are used.
You can’t. There aren’t any. They have all been blocked. Why is that?
You still haven’t answered my question.
Who are the MAGA candidates for the state legislatures who have had elections stolen from them, or “thwarted” as you put it.
Give me some names. You can’t, because there are NO MAGA CANDIDATES.
Your position seems to be that if a Republican wins an election then it was stolen from MAGA, but there was no MAGA candidate to steal from. You seem to think that elections are stolen from some nebulous MAGA entity that did not have a candidate.
This is truly bizarre thinking, but fits with the MAGA world view that somehow, something has been stolen from them, but they are not really sure what that something is, or who actually stole it. It is a peculiar state of mind of victimization, and that everyone is out to get us. This is classical cult thinking. We are the bearers of the righteous truth, and everyone else is out to get us.
YOU have answered your own question, and I’ve provided concrete evidence of this election theft.
You then continue to deny fraud exists, and that MAGA are “playing victim.”
That is classic cult behavior – denial of reality and evidence. You’ve exposed yourself as the cultist.
You still haven’t named the MAGA candidates who have been the victims of stolen elections.
Yes I have: Abe Hamadeh is one, you can put Kari Lake in there as well, others in MI and TX, as well as PA.
You’re simply too stupid to understand that 1. election fraud exists, 2. it is rampant, especially in states with mail-in balloting, and 3. there are established vote fraud orgs operating throughout the US (GBI Strategies).
Those are candidates for statewide office in a state where Democrats usually win, because most of the voters are Democrats. There is no need to “steal” those elections.
As I said before, the Republicans control the legislatures because of gerry-mandering, but you seem to think that is because they are RINO’s stealing from MAGA candidates who don’t actually exist..
Who are the MAGA candidates from whom these elections for the legislature are being stolen.
Wrong, most voters are *not* democrats. That is why they steal them, and that is why you cannot understand why you are wrong – your premises are false.
You are incapable of understanding current electoral environment, and are painfully obtuse and ignorant of facts.
Names already provided.
OK. Lets do it this way. Please answer the following question yes or no.
Are Democrats and RINO’s stealing the elections from MAGA for the state legislatures in Arizona and other states?
Answered above. You are incapable of understanding.
So is your answer yes or no.
Answer the damn question. You did not answer this specific direct question “above”.
Just humor me with a yes or no answer.
So you are not going to answer.
Obviously you know I am right.
I should also have added that women will turn out in massive droves this year, especially in red states.
Why?
Because many red states that have banned abortion now have abortion rights initiatives on the ballot.
I am sure these women will be delighted to vote for the guy who is bragging that he is responsible for overturning Roe v Wade.
Trump has NEVER bragged about overturning Roe, and has instead admonished supporters to learn how to talk about abortion within the states rights context (where it has always belonged).
You are correct, though, that screaming aborto-fascist harpys will absolutely protest vote against Trump for this reason – a convincing argument for repeal of the 19th Amendment.
A very few of many direct quotes.
Former President Donald Trump bragged about eliminating abortion rights in the U.S. during a news conference Friday at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida. “We don’t need it any longer because we broke Roe v. Wade,” Trump said on Friday.
“After 50 years of failure, with nobody coming even close, I was able to kill Roe v. Wade, much to the ‘shock’ of everyone,” Trump, the former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination, said on his social media platform.
This week, Donald Trump bragged about his role in stripping away women’s reproductive freedoms saying, “For 54 years they were trying to get Roe v. Wade terminated, and I did it. And I’m proud to have done it… We did something that was a miracle.”
Trump, in a post on Truth Social, said he “was able to kill Roe v. Wade, much to the ‘shock’ of everyone,” and put the anti-abortion movement in a “strong negotiating position.”
I’m glad to see that you agree that women “will absolutely protest vote against Trump for this reason”.
He will lose!!!!
Sorry, those are not boasts but statements of fact – Roe was terrible law and recognized as such for 40+ years.
And nothing was outlawed, but irrational women will view it incorrectly and vote.
This should be prevented.
Ahhhhh, so now we finally have it!!!!
**And nothing was outlawed, but irrational women will view it incorrectly and vote.
This should be prevented.**
So the Republican plan is to only allow only certain approved “rational”people to vote.
Gotta block those pesky women from voting.
Lets get back to the good old days when only land-owning white males were allowed to vote.
You have finally revealed yourselves as the regressive pack of miscreants that everyone knows you to be.
Correct, only people with skin in the game and financial independence from government should be voting.
Bastiat warned extensively about this.
“Gotta block those pesky women from voting.”
That would be a good start, yes. If one group can be singled out for most of the responsibility for our collapse, it is women in power in positions they should not be in, across government, and acutely in the judiciary (Amy Berman Jackson, Beryl Howell, et al.).
Let me guess!!!
You are an incel.
Am I correct?
Incorrect, and poorly wagered.
I will wager you are a soy-sucking East Coast effete male, or aforementioned screaming aborto-fascist harpy.
Bad look either way, and no, we no longer share a common country or common sets of laws.
An incel living in your mother’s basement, most likely
No, not at all.
I am a retired surgeon. I made a modest fortune in the market. Enough to buy a nice working ranch and pay a very good manager and a bunch of great cowboys to run it. The ranch makes a very nice profit. I just sit back and relax, enjoy the great country living and let the money roll in.
What about you?
So I was correct, you’re a soi boi she-male.
You shouldn’t be voting.
Actually, I am a 72 year old retiree living on my ranch in beautiful Wyoming.
Go Liz Cheney!!!!!
Then you’re mentally retarded. You shouldn’t be voting.
You out shoveling shit with Lizzie, now that she’s unemployed?
No, not at all.
I am a retired surgeon. I made a modest fortune in the market. Enough to buy a nice working ranch and pay a very good manager and a bunch of great cowboys to run it. The ranch makes a very nice profit. I just sit back and relax, enjoy the great country living and let the money roll in.
What about you?
(Sorry for the duplication. Put it in the wrong reply.
Sure you are.
Doctors and especially surgeons are the worst investors in the financial world. I have saved many from themselves as I am in that line of work and law, neither of which you comprehend.
If you’re dumb enough to support Lizzie Cheney, you’re dumb enough to believe 2020 was “the most secure election ever” and associated lies.
What makes you think I did the investing?
I was too busy making money to manage my own investments. I hire people to do that, the same way I hire people to run the ranch.
By the way, your foul language and childish attempts at insults are not indicative of an educated individual.
I’m completely uninterested in your critique of my vocabulary (which is substantially larger than yours).
I’m even less interested in your fictional occupation, and “ranch.”
Your comments betray you as a shallow, unobservant, vapid, spoon-fed dolt lacking all critical thinking skills.
Consequently, your opinion is highly irrelevant, as are you.
Why don’t you tell me what you REALLY think!!!!!
You still haven’t told me about your humanitarian contributions to this great society of ours.
Irrelevant to this discussion, imbecile.
But I’m sure you’ll virtue signal your psychotic altruism to maximum advantage to hide from reality.
I’m not entirely sure what that bizarre comment means.
However, I think I have achieved my goal of baiting idiots like you, so I will sign off now. It is 7 o’clock. Time to go inside for dinner.
You may wonder why I have spent most of the afternoon in this ridiculous debate. The answer is I am recovering from hip surgery. All those years of standing in the OR have taken a toll. I am pretty much immobile for a few weeks, so I simply sit out on the porch in a La-Z-Boy with a cool beer and my laptop. It is great entertainment baiting you MAGA morons.
You have done an excellent job of exposing yourself as unfit to vote, and flagrantly ignorant of basic electoral and political facts.
Well done.
NBC News May 17, 2023:
WASHINGTON — Donald Trump took credit Wednesday for the elimination of Roe v. Wade, embracing his role in selecting the Supreme Court justices who were instrumental in ending the half-century precedent that protected abortion rights nationwide.
“After 50 years of failure, with nobody coming even close, I was able to kill Roe v. Wade, much to the ‘shock’ of everyone,” Trump, the former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination, said on his social media platform.”
Statement of fact.
The White House
The Whitehouse is where President Trumps headed, the day of reckoning is coming.
Someone is unhappy with a judge?? Who would guess? Richard Blumenthal has something to say? Wasn’t he the guy that lied about his service record? He is going to question a judge’s understanding of the law while he himself can’t tell the truth?
I understand the politics of the situation and how this does not help the Democrats ambitions, but they seem to
miss the other side of the equation that if this judge rushes to judgement the other side will be fired up.
I wonder if the other case just like this one was slowed down and then prosecuted, would they be so fast to rush to judgement.
If this was not as important a case as it is, I would find the farce funny.
As I always say, let the case run its course.
You can translate Blumenthal’s comment as … “This is the best chance we have of getting Trump. How dare she follow the law!”
Imagine is someone (man or woman) sue him under the law that they used on Trump concerning his alleged ‘rape’ of that psycho chick.
Regardless of the veracity… sit him in court and watch him squirm as the person has a vague recollection of him sexually assaulting them in Penn Station bathroom. Can’t remember the exact date or time because it was so long ago.
See how he likes it.
These “attacks” only seem credible if one assumes Democrats have a keen interest in justice. And, being the Party of racism (slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, re-segregation, lynchings, etc) , bigotry (the party of the Klan, redlining, antisemitism, incarceration of citizens based on race, etc), why would anyone for a moment think that?
And look at the Democratic Party voices speaking out: ‘Da Nang’ Dick Blumenthal and Sheldon ‘whites only club member’ Whitehouse. In civil times and in a party of true decency, these two would have been recognized as liars and racists and thrown out before even being contenders for public office.
Don’t kid yourself, the Democratic Party has never been interested in justice as evidenced by all their past atrocities. And to claim otherwise only demonstrates ignorance of the Democratic Party’s history and a desire to be follower (read stooge) to fantasy. View the Democratic Party as the bridge between the opposite poles of democracy through representative government and fascism over which tyrants cross and you have a much more accurate view.
A judge acting as a judge rather than a “get Trump” politician? Democrats are incensed!
@Anonymous
Yep. How dare they? 😂 Actually upholding the Constitution like that. 🙄 It’s pretty clear too that the number of female judges acceptable to the left range all the way from RBG to RBG. I’m not sure Ketanji counts, being a DEI hire. I think even leftists basically consider her to be a token., though they’ll defend that token to the skies.
Aileen Cannon is just one of the many incompetent individuals appointed to the Federal bench by Trump. At the time of her appointment she was only 39 years old. As a prosecutor she had tried only 4 cases. Before the Trump case she had adjudicated only 4 cases as a judge. In the Trump case, she has already been reversed twice by the Appeals Court, which also took the unusual step of admonishing her for absurd rulings. At the end of last year her law clerks resigned, apparently because they were dissatisfied with her unusual demands. This left the entire courthouse in disarray as important work was not getting done.
Another example of an incompetent individual nominated by Trump is Brett J. Talley in Alabama. He was nominated at age 36, only 3 years after graduating from law school. He had never tried a case. He had never taken a deposition. He had never argued a motion. In fact, he had never set foot in a courtroom in any official capacity as a lawyer. The day he took his seat as a judge would have been the first day he had set foot in a courtroom in any official capacity as a practitioner of law.
Thankfully, he withdrew his nomination just before the Senate confirmation vote, but not because of any self-realization of incompetence. Apparently he lied in the paperwork that has to be filed as part of the background investigation. He was required to reveal any personal relationships with members of the Trump administration, and failed to reveal that his wife was the chief of staff for White House counsel Don McGahan.
Although he was not actually appointed, this is an example of the extremely incompetent individuals that Trump favored for judicial appointments.
Imagine if you needed brain surgery or heart surgery, and you found out the surgeon was only 3 years out from medical school and had never actually set foot in an operating room, let alone performed a surgery. I’m sure he has read all about the surgery though, and may have actually watched a case without actually participating. I’m sure everything will be just fine. Don’t worry.
The Senate confirmation vote for Judge Cannon was 56 to 21, troll.
That means less than half of Senate Democrats voted against her confirmation.
Kind of like Ketanji huh?!
She was reversed on the Special Master. Jack Smith admitted to mishandling evidence and misleading the court. Had Jack Smith not objected, the odds of mishandled evidence would be near zero, or minimally not the responsibility of the SCO. In other words, in his zeal to hurry the case Jack Smith shot himself in the foot, and delayed the case,
This is uf King hillarious
You are right. The quality of Trump appointees is abysmal. So many of them are in their thirties with no significant legal experience.
I have children older then them, and as far as I am concerned they are still children.
Another classic example is Justin Walker from Kentucky, He is the son of one of Mitch McConnell’s cronies, and served as an intern for McConnell.
He was appointed at age 37. His experience in the actual practice of law was minimal. He was a speech writer for Donald Rumsfeld for several years after law school. He clerked for a couple of federal judges for a while.
He spent less than 3 years working for the firm of Gibson Dunn. In that time he never presented an argument before a jury or handled any bench trials, took no depositions in federal cases, never submitted a motion for summary judgment, or filed a motion to dismiss. In short he had no practical experience in the courtroom.
He then obtained a Professorship at University of Louisville Law School, where he taught, wait for it………… LEGAL WRITING.
Basically he has no practical experience in the courtroom, does not teach anything related to the practice of law, but he can certainly write a good story.
Long winded steaming turd^^^^
“At the end of last year her law clerks. . .”
Once again, if you’re going to smear, try to get the facts right.
Since her appointment, Judge Cannon has had some 12 term clerks. She currently has 3. Over the last 12 months, one clerk quit to have a baby. If you know why the other quit, you’re a psychic.
For actual testimonials from her former clerks (and others) see this: “Here are some thoughts from a former Judge Cannon clerk, who praised the judge and their clerkship experience:” (https://davidlat.substack.com/p/judge-aileen-cannon-law-clerks-quit-on-her)
“. . . she was only 39 years old.”
And not even close to the youngest federal judge. A number in their 30’s were appointed by Obama and just recently by Biden.
Your “summary” of her legal experience is a work of fiction.
“I question whether this judge understands the magnitude or the legal import of this trial.” That’s pretty rich coming from 5 draft deferments Da Nang Dick.
DEM’s/Left Wing Radicals/Elites throw a TEMPER TANTRUM. CRY BABIES that don’t get their way. or a famous line from Casablanca – I am shock their is gambling/I am shocked that a Judge would actually do her duty/uphold the law vs following the Radical Left Justice of Larry Tribe. Get over with it Jack Smith got caught.
Judge Cannon needs to stay ahead off curve to avoid the Democrats “I Gotcha”.
Judge Judy chastises 9 people who pissed her off.
Holy “what goes around, comes around”, Batmsn
The FBI has been known to tamper with evidence. At Ruby Ridge, the FBI evidence technicians forgot to take pictures of used shells after being assigned to investigate the killing of the defendant’s ten-year-old son and a federal Deputy Marshal. The next day, after they realized their error, they went back to the field and threw the recovered shells on the ground where they “thought” they were found. Then they took pictures of them as “evidence.” The muddled case was eventually removed to federal court and dismissed on a motion by the Department of Justice. The defendant, Randy Weaver, was paid a hundred grand for the government’s murder of his wife and son; his three daughters got a million dollars apiece, and 18 FBI agents were reprimanded. One went to the slammer for 18 months for destroying an important document that might have provided evidence against the acting deputy director of the FBI who was demoted and forced to retire.
In the current case, Judge Cannon should order a hearing (or the Trump legal team should demand an evidentiary hearing) to require the FBI evidence technicians and agents to testify under oath to what exactly they did in collecting and documenting the chain of custody on the Trump documents. The FBI has standards for doing this important task and tampering and mishandling evidence of this importance cannot simply be chalked up to sloppiness.
Tampering with evidence may be a crime (See: 18 U.S.C. §1519: Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy). Because this potential crime has been admitted to by the government in a motion filed in this case, Cannon’s court now has the responsibility to investigate it or grant a defense motion calling for an investigation. Tampered evidence is tainted evidence and under most circumstances cannot be used against a defendant at trial. Moreover, a history of prior evidence tampering by the same party (FBI) may be used to pursue a §1519 case. The Ruby Ridge example cited above may be a prior similar act to show how evidence tampering by the FBI in the Trump case is not unprecedented. To be sure, there likely are other more pertinent examples of FBI evidence tampering, perhaps of greater material relevance, such as the perjured FISA affidavits used to convict FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith. Ironically, they, too, have a nexus to Trump. I wonder why?
JJC,
Well said and thank you for your analysis.
LOL — “Well said,” CLOWN who can’t find the Like button.
Excellent. Thank you.
Sheldon Whitehouse is a boss. Glad he’s my Senator.
Sheldon Whitehouse is a men’s room attendant at an all white country club.
If you support Whitehouse, YOU are the problem
Thanks! Glad you see me as a problem.
Problems get fixed and eliminated.
As people who run against him have learned.
He is the problem, as are his supporters.
Whitehouse is right. Cannon is slow walking trump’s case. Everyone knows it and my guess is she hates the fact she was assigned to it and is looking for any way she can to possibly avoid a trial because a fair trial for trump’s espionage winds up with trump in jail for sure. No way around it. To not have that result sets a precedent that there is no longer any functional classified information….
I can hear the magats now…, but Biden Biden Biden…, completely ignoring mens Rea. Really all that can be done there is to let the magats love living with their ignorance of the law.
See Turley, Liz Cheney was totally on the money by pointing out it’s a disgrace if a democratic Republic can’t try a seditious and traitorous president in time for the next election. That figures in Justice slow walking and the cover up efforts of people like you all into the same basket. Party on!
completely ignoring mens Rea
Biden willfully move classified document repeatedly. Spreading them across multiple locations.
That is all the proof needed for mes Rea.
But that is not a required element for possession of Classified documents.
Ibid
Ibid
Ibid—-i bet i did (eat that booger)
——lawn boy
Oh clever!! (In a second grade class)
Let’s see…, that’s why Trump is charged and Biden isn’t, right?
Try checking into reality. It’s often helpful.
it’s a disgrace if a democratic Republic can’t try a seditious and traitorous president in time for the
next election.
Its been over three years. The disgrace is you an Liz Cheney making baseless accusations.
“seditious and traitorous ” Bring the evidence.
Obama hired a incompetent prosecutor Jack Smith, Overturned 9-0 on his conviction of Robert F. McDonnell, a Republican Gov of Virginia. Smith is a thug enforcer, using the law as a weapon. Smith’s superpower is lack of conscience, and absence of feeling shame. He knows he is going to get overturned. He is not hired to craft a winnable case. He is hired to remove from the political landscape a political rival. All that is needed is a conviction before the election, the appeal will overturn unanimously a year after the trial.
Do you know what is seditious? Prosecuting a person for unnamed crimes.
Because the Left abhors the rule of law and the Constitution.
Trump could rape your mother, you’d blame her and say, “what’s the crime?”
That’s your idea of reasoned response?
I want everyone to go look at my comment. And then understand the response is a weak rape comment. What about facts, the law, legal concepts and strategies?
Nothing, a meaningless rape comment.
Iowan2,
Well said.
Farmer, isn’t it enough for Iowan to embarass himself without you joining in with him?
U do know we can see you eating those boogers, right?
Really? What other visions are you having, Inspector Gadget?
Ibid
Don’t you think it’s about time the dims bagged Trump. They’ve been going after him for 9 years now. They’re obsessed with this man.
Nope.
She’s not.
She’s actually following the law.
She could easily have tossed this case, but didn’t.
Instead, she’s peeling away the onion. Smith is on thin ice and the protests make this more and more a politically motivated case.
We are a constitutional republic, first of all. Secondly, in your stated narrative, Trump is presumed guilty before the trial has even begun. The fact that evidence was, “staged”, by the FBI does not even give you reason for pause. Ask yourself, why do that if it’s all so cut and dry? It was designed to feed the confirmation bias of democrats and Trump haters prepared to conclude a guilty verdict, viewing Trump’s right to a trial where contradictory evidence can be presented as a perfunctory pain in the neck. I, for one, would like to see a fair trial and am grateful that this judge is measured and unhampered by the agenda and time constraints of the left.
‘ Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee’s subcommittee on federal courts and oversight subcommittee, said accused Cannon of “deliberately slow-walking the case.” Ignoring the fact that similar cases have taken much longer to go to trial,…”
She has been slow walking the case. Judge Cannon has already been admonished twice by a higher court for her sloppy work and poor decisions. She was not experienced enough to deal with this case from the beginning. She has an appearance of bias problem because of that and it’s obvious to legal observers. It doesn’t help that she’s a Trump appointed Judge and Trump has made comments interpreted as veiled threats.
Then the professor trots out this odd statement,
“Ignoring the fact that similar cases have taken much longer to go to trial,…”
That’s not true. There have been no other cases where a president is charged with illegally withholding presidential records and obstructing justice by deliberately hiding and lying to federal authorities. Cases involving the espionage act have gone to trial much quicker and with less ineptitude from a judge. Judge Cannon IS slow walking this case. Turley is being deliberately obtuse about this or he may just be sticking to his contract with Fox News and lend his legal opinion to make excuses.
LOL — nice try, but the Florida case was brought to a screeching halt earlier thia week by the revelation that the Special Counsel had TAMPERED WITH EVIDENCE and then LIED about it to the Judge: Prior to this revelation of criminal conduct by the Special Counsel, the trial was still scheduled to occur before the election.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490069/529/1/united-states-v-trump/
@Anonynous,
The FBI didn’t tamper with evidence nor they lied. That’s not the issue. What is being claimed is documents were not in a certain order in one box. It’s not really a big deal since the documents and box were photographed and documented before being taken into FBI custody.
This is just an another delay tactic that Judge Cannon happily obliged to rule on because any technical excuse to delay is pursued. Judge Cannon is just slow walking it as much as she can. It’s very obvious to the majority of legal experts.
They brought their own covers to make the docs seem to have a higher classification and then photographed the docs with the fake covers on them. In what legal world would this be ok? Iran? Russia? China? NK? Nope, it is fine here if it is a Republican in the hot seat.
@hullbobby,
No, they didn’t bring their own covers or had fake covers. When the agents were documenting the contents of the boxes the FBI brought along cover sheets for classified documents that didn’t have them. When they ran out of cover sheets because there were more classified documents than they expected they had to improvise while maintaining protocols for evidence.
This article explains the issue in much greater detail and includes photos of the purported “fake cover sheets”.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/05/06/stan-woodwards-manufactured-scandal-about-box-a-15/
Complete garbage.
https://rumble.com/v4u5a63-jack-smith-admits-to-manipulating-evidence-in-huge-blow-to-classified-docs-.html
Rumble? Really? That’s a conspiracy theory site full of wackos and paranoid delusional militia types.
Yes really dumbass.
Rumble is a platform, like YouTube except better from 1A perspective. It is not a “conspiracy theory” site.
You live in a delusional bubble, which will result in your destruction.
Empty fvcking wheel
George, we know now that george is actually turdrunner
The only lame ass fvcktard ever bold enough to bring that shit up in here.
@Anonymous,
The author at empty wheel is much much more knowledgable about the issue than Turley is and it shows. The level of detail and photos and links to the actual documents and court motions far surpasses what professor Turley provides.
You can’t rebut the facts of the article and it shows. As a source it’s multitudes better than what Turley provides.
Emptywheel is a moronic dunce who is consistently dismantled on X/twitter.
Wrong. FBI both evidence tampered AND lied.
That’s not true. There have been no other cases where a president is charged with illegally withholding presidential records
Always the pedantry.
In Professor Turley’s post he clearly defines his experience with legal cases with involving classified evidence. His experience following the Judicial protocols required in such cases.
You can tell when a commenter is out of their element, when the have to add context not present, and go full pedantic
@Iowan2,
No case is similar to Trump’s classified documents case. Not a single one. Because there’s never been a case like it. His experience is outdated and he’s not been practicing law for years.
Cases involving the espionage act have been straightforward and prosecuted with a conviction within a year sometimes just over a year. None with the kinds of delays like Trump’s and a judge biased towards trump.
“His experience is outdated and he’s not been practicing law for years.”
George lies again.
And more pedantry as well
I think its time to start ignoring george
No case is similar to Trump’s classified documents case. Not a single one.
Professor Turley never made the claim.
There have been lots of cases involving Classified Documents
Because the the defendant is a past President has no bearing on the case, according to the Government It effects the law not at all.
Your pedantry has been called out, you have been exposed
“No case is similar to Trump’s classified documents case. Not a single one.”
Really?
Then how does the Left know that Cannon is “slow-walking” the case?
Then you proceed to contradict yourself in the next paragraph.
Consistency is not the Left’s strong suit.
@George
Switch identities, switch VPN locations – you are still you, and we still don’t care. The days of online cloaking are no longer a mystery to the masses, tell your employers. Your generation and the milk it spilt (oopsie!) known also as, ‘its progeny’ are a sad joke. Go blow. Nobody cares. Really.
@James,
Who are you to tell others what they should or shouldn’t do on this blog? If you don’t agree with my opinions or comments simply don’t respond.
If you can’t handle a little bit of sensibility or reality that’s your issue. A lot of commenters here do have a level of ignorance or denial that is extraordinary and not entirely unexpected. I don’t expect everyone to agree or to see things my way. But as it is all things free speech and be true to the professor’s admiration for free speech principles I will continue to post. There are a lot more readers than commenters and I’m sure some will agree and support the views I present.
Since there are some nasty and childish individuals who just like launch into personal attacks and insults because it’s easier than having a real discussion, it’s understandable why many more won’t comment here.
@George
Sure, it’s not true unless one looks at the literal, actual facts of the matter. 🙄 but keep whistling to yourself, or alternately, keep pushing the script your employers give you every morning. I understand you have a family to feed. We’d all do the same in your position, unless you are just a sociopath.
“[Judge Cannon] has an appearance of bias problem . . .”
Now the Left is worried about judicial bias?
That’s rich.
Sen, Blumenthal, the Viet Nam escape artist, has little room to talk. Judge Cannon has done the right thing. This case was blown out of the water by two incidents: 1. Joe Biden having classified documents in 6 different, unsecured places for YEARS and 2. the FBI staging the documents during the raid. I am thankful for Judge Cannon. This Democratic talking point, going into the presidential election, has now lost most of its steam. The Democrats and their media cohorts talked too much and were too confident in their own righteousness.
Anonymous, your comment is on point and fantastic. You are right that Judge Cannon is doing a great job and is the only member of any court that is following the law. Engeron is a partisan lightweight lose. The soy boy in Atlanta that let Fani Willis run his courtroom will soon be admonished by the appeals court and Merchon in the Bragg case is making a complete fool of himself by letting the case go forward, by ruling on a witness that has ZERO probative value while being highly prejudicial and by putting an unconstitutional gag order on a presidential candidate. All he cares about is getting the W now and not losing on appeal until after November.
Please create a name so we can follow your thoughts more easily.
“Please create a name so we can follow your thoughts more easily.”
LOL — If’s people like YOU who drive people into anonynity in this comment section. You and a few others treat this forum as your own personal clubhouse, and often engage in ad hominem attacks that would cause a legitmate website to have banned you LONG ago.
“Smith could have prosecuted this case in the shorter time frame if he simply charge obstruction.”
Charges could have also been brought in a timely manner YEARS EARLIER, instead of intentionally planning and TIMING all of these ABUSES OF PROCESS to interfere with the 2024 election.
Abuse of Process (which is a cause of action that I’ve participated in here in Ohio courts) is a tort that occurs when someone issues legal process with intent to achieve an ulterior purpose other than the legitimate use of such process, and bringing criminal charges for the ulterior purpose of interfering in or affecting the results of an election is a textbook example. Abuse of Process might also be styled to fit a federal crime, such as Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law, 18 U.S.C. § 242.
In my own court experiences as a pro se plaintiff, Abuse of Process is a FAR better cause of action than Malicious Prosecution, since it dispenses with the need to plead or prove malice or that there was no just cause for a prior prosecution. One can actually be guilty of a crime and STILL bring an action for Abuse of Process if that criminal process is issued with intent to achieve some ulterior purpose other than punishment for a crime. Abuse of Process relies solely on the wrongful use of legal process to achieve some goal for which the prior legal process was neither designed nor intended.
In Trump’s case, it’s clear beyond doubt that all of these prosecutions in Georgia, New York, Washington DC, and Florida were timed and filed with intent to influence the 2024 election. All the democrat griping referenced in Professor Turley’s piece only goes to PROVE BEYOND DOUBT that election-interference is the actual intent, which is NOT a legitimate use of criminal process under the law.
Speaking of election interference and where the real threat to our democracy exists. And as disgusting as the lawfare being used against Trump is, all if it appears moot if the election will be decided by the following;
I saw this yesterday. The last paragraph in this 18 USC link states regarding illegal aliens not being prosecuted for violating election laws:
(3)the alien reasonably believed at the time of voting in violation of such subsection that he or she was a citizen of the United States.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/611
Breaking news! From Politico magazine. “What once resembled a wall of legal obstacles that stood between Donald Trump and his return to the White House is now looking like little more than a series of speed bumps.”
So all the Drama by our leftist commentators about Trump being frog marched to prison has fizzled out like Dennis McIntyre’s Viagra experiment. It is indeed a sad day in leftistville when even Politico has to admit that the Trump trials have turned out to be witch hunts. They say speed bumps or mountains out of molehills no problem as they hold their limp appendage in their hand and rail with loud proclamation, “Let Democracy prevail!!”
TiT,
It appears their lawfare is failing when it comes to actual law.
Upstate, they don’t actually care about the law at all unless it can be illegally used against their political opponents. Sit’n in a nest of bad men aided by the FBI.