Will Rogers once said that “if you ever injected truth into politics, you’d have no politics.” In Wales, it appears that the government is challenging that assessment. However, if the new legislation criminalizing political lies is successful, the Welsh are likely to find themselves with the same abundance of lies but little free speech.
A proposal in the Welsh parliament (or the Senedd) would make it the first country in the world to impose criminal sanctions for lying politicians. Adam Price, the former leader of the liberal Plaid Cymru Party is pushing for the criminalization, citing a “credibility gap” in UK politics.
Astonishingly, this uniquely bad idea has received support from a key committee. Once on track for adoption, this is the type of law that can become self-propelling through the legislature. Few politicians want to go on record voting against a law banning political lies. The free speech implications are easily lost in the coverage.
The new law would make it a criminal offense for a member of the Senedd, or a candidate for election to the Senedd, to wilfully, or with intent to mislead, make or publish a statement that is known to be false or deceptive. There is a six-month period for challenges to be brought.
The law allows a defense that a statement could be “reasonably inferred” to be a statement of opinion, or if it were retracted with an apology within 14 days. If guilty, the politician would be disqualified from being a Senedd member.
The defense is hardly helpful. It creates an uncertainty as to which statements would be deemed an opinion and which would be treated as a statement of fact. It invites selective and biased prosecutions. After all, what does it mean to accuse a politician of trying to “mislead” the public?
Winston Churchill said “a politician needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn’t happen.”
It is a standard heavily laden with subjectivity and potential selectivity in prosecution. It is more likely to determine not whether lies can be told but which lies can be told. The government and the majority of the public are likely to hold certain “misleading” claims of politicians to be true or opinion while holding a harsher view of the claims of the opposition.
Consider the massive censorship system in our own country. During Covid, you were labeled a liar, conspiracist, or racist for holding views now viewed as credible.
For example, academics joined this chorus in marginalizing anyone raising the lab theory. One study cited the theory as an example of “anti-Chinese racism” and “toxic white masculinity.”
As late as May 2021, the New York Times’ Science and Health reporter Apoorva Mandavilli was calling any mention of the lab theory as “racist.”
Mandavilli and others made clear that reporters covering the theory were Covid’s little Bull Connors. She tweeted wistfully “someday we will stop talking about the lab leak theory and maybe even admit its racist roots. But alas, that day is not yet here.”
Now federal agencies have stated that they believe that the origin of the virus was indeed the Chinese lab.
If this law were in place, politicians could have been charged with lying and barred from the legislature — would have only served to diminish dissenting views further in the government.
Politicians have long been accused of lying to the public.
In this country, presidents routinely lie on matters great and small. Many of those lies cost citizens dearly, from “keeping your doctor” under ObamaCare to losing your life in Vietnam. Criminalizing lies in campaigns because of the spread of disinformation or disorder is a slippery slope that vests unprecedented power in the Justice Department.
There is obviously an abundance of statements from politicians that could be deemed as intentionally misleading. Officials can then simply pick and choose which politicians they want to tar with the allegation and potentially bar from office.
The proposed law is a continuation of the assault on free speech in the United Kingdom.
A man was convicted for sending a tweet while drunk referring to dead soldiers. Another was arrested for an anti-police t-shirt. Another was arrested for calling the Irish boyfriend of his ex-girlfriend a “leprechaun.” Yet another was arrested for singing “Kung Fu Fighting.” A teenager was arrested for protesting outside of a Scientology center with a sign calling the religion a “cult.”
We also discussed the arrest of a woman who was praying to herself near an abortion clinic. English courts have seen criminalized “toxic ideologies” as part of this crackdown on free speech.
Scotland recently passed a new crime law covering “stirring up hatred” relating to age, disability, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity or being intersex. That crime covers insulting comments and anything “that a reasonable person would consider to be threatening or abusive.”
Free speech is in a free fall after years of criminalization of speech. Generations have been shaped in the educational system to fear free speech. The alliance of government, media, and academic forces have created generations of speech phobics.
The anti-free speech movement in the United Kingdom should be a cautionary tale for every American. The tide of this movement has reached our shores and the same alliance is working to reduce the protections for free speech.
As I discuss in my new book, The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage, this international movement has left free speech in tatters in the West. Now there are law professors calling for the First Amendment to be rewritten to remove its “excessively individualistic” protections.
The free speech community in the United Kingdom has fought bravely to preserve this right against all odds. Wales is a reminder that this remains a global struggle that requires free speech advocates to unite against this rising tide.
“If you’re half right, you’re half wrong, if you’re half wrong, you’re all wrong.”
– Anonymous
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The American Founders and Framers considered that “natural and God-given” rights, freedoms, privileges, and immunities should be provided to citizens through the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Nature and God are universal.
Wales is in the universe.
Wales must implement the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The world is in the universe.
The world must implement the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Parts of this comment section have degenerated into pornographic responses. But this vileness is easy to quickly scroll past.
How does that cock taste?
Certain commenters in attendance have not outgrown the childish need to be contradictory and use naughty words. The average age of these guttersnipes must be about thirteen…a low-grade thirteen.
Imagine that Hillary, with her “Steele Dossier” and “Russia, Russia, Russia” campaign slogans, would be sentenced to life in prison.
Comey, the same, for saying, “Although there is evidence of potential violations regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”
Adam Schiff would receive the death penalty.
Nancy Pelosi would get 50 years to life for saying that “passage was required” to find out what was in Obamacare.
And Obama would be drawn and quartered for an act of treason by falsely claiming he was a “natural-born citizen” in the first place.
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“THE NATIVES, OR NATURAL BORN CITIZENS”
The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)
Emmerich de Vattel
(Circulated in U.S. by 1762, “has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress [1775], now sitting,” Ben Franklin)
Book 1, Chapter 19, Section 212
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
Obama is then “not of his country,” according to Vattel in his 1758 treatise, The Law of Nations.
This is precisely why John Jay, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and George Washington proposed to require that the president and commander-in-chief be a “natural born citizen.”
F*** Vattel. He was completely irrelevant. Washington had never read him, and in all likelihood Jay hadn’t either. Neither of them was acting under his influence. Your obsession with him is sick.
And, of course, Vattel and his Treatise were part and parcel of the Revolution and thesis of American self-governance – the very American fabric – and provides the sole and only definition of “Natural Born Citizen,” understanding that Blackstone addressed merely a monarchy and “Natural Born Subjects,” and that the generic meaning of the phrase is simply emerging from a womb, or natural born. Vattel was in the Colonies by 1762 and “has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress [1775], now sitting,” Ben Franklin to Charles William Frederick Dumas, who sent an additional three copies to Franklin et al.
Commenters on this post should stop using false-labels.
No politician is purely “Conservative” or purely “Liberal”. Every politician supports both sides of the spectrum depending on the issue.
For example: Dwight D. Eisenhower (with a 70% top tax rate) was Socially-Conservative but Fiscally-Liberal. Ronald Reagan was socially-conservative but fiscally-liberal (Reagan never vetoed 11 tax increases).
Bill Clinton was socially-liberal but fiscally-conservative (more fiscally-conservative than any president since then of either party, the last president to balance the budget).
George W. Bush was socially-conservative, fiscally-liberal and constitutionally-liberal. Obama was socially-liberal but actually fiscally-conservative, reducing Bush’s nightmare deficit to lower than he inherited.
Trump is best friends with the world’s top communist leaders, including Reagan’s former enemy Putin
“It’s the [Constitution], stupid!”
– James Carville
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It’s not the “labels,” it’s the law.
The legislative and executive branches may not be conservative or liberal; they may only be constitutional.
The Founders established a severely restricted-vote republic, “If you can keep it.”
You couldn’t.
The singular American failure has been and remains the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
The separate but equal judicial branch is charged with ensuring that the actions of the other two branches comport with statutory and fundamental law; it has failed miserably.
Liberal or conservative positions may not be held; it is only legal to hold the position of the Constitution.
Every communist proposal since Lincoln’s unconstitutional denial of not-prohibited and fully constitutional secession must have been immediately struck down.
Chief Justice Roger B. Taney struck down Lincoln’s wholly unconstitutional suspension of habeas corpus within days.
Roe v. Wade must have been struck down by the Supreme Court of 1973; indeed, that court was totally corrupt and must have been impeached, as revealed by Dobbs, 2022.
Per the 5th Amendment, Congress has no power to interfere with or otherwise “claim and exercise” dominion over any aspect or facet of private property.
Per Article 1, Section 8, Congress may tax for only debt, defense, and “general Welfare”; Congress has no power to tax for or fund Obamacare.
Congress may regulate only the value of money, commerce among nations, Indian tribes, and States, and land and naval Forces; Congress has no enumerated power to regulate the environment, and the EPA must have been struck down.
The entire communist American welfare state is unconstitutional and must have been struck down.
That’s why they called it not the land of the regulated and the land of spending “ad libitum,” but the Land of the Free.
Excuse me.
Putin is definitely not a communist.
But there are plenty of Marxists in the American power structure.
You need to read Witness, Whittaker Chambers.
Alger Hiss was a communist.
The entire State Department was Communist.
Roosevelt was the biggest communist of all.
Communism caused the Great Depression, even though it did not necessarily start it.
America is fully communist with “the dictatorship of the proletariat,” central planning, control of the means of production (i.e. unconstitutional regulation), redistribution of wealth, social engineering, all under the obvious directive, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”
The entire communistic American welfare state is unconstitutional including, but not limited to, admissions affirmative action, grade-inflation affirmative action, employment affirmative action, quotas, welfare, food stamps, minimum wage, rent control, social services, forced busing, public housing, utility subsidies, WIC, SNAP, TANF, HAMP, HARP, TARP, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Environmental Protection Agency, Agriculture, Education, Labor, Energy, Obamacare, Social Security, Social Security Disability, Social Security Supplemental Income, Medicare, Medicaid, “Fair Housing” laws, “Non-Discrimination” laws, etc.
Article 1, Section 8, provides Congress the power to tax for ONLY debt, defense, and “…general (all, the whole) Welfare…,” which is basic infrastructure to assure that all well proceed, omitting and, thereby, excluding any power to tax for individual Welfare, specific Welfare, particular Welfare, favor or charity. The same article enumerates and provides Congress the power to regulate ONLY the Value of money, Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian Tribes, and land and naval Forces. Additionally, the 5th Amendment right to private property was initially qualified by the Framers and is, therefore, absolute, allowing no further qualification, and allowing ONLY the owner the power to “claim and exercise” dominion over private property.
Government exists, under the Constitution and Bill of Rights, to provide maximal freedom to individuals while government is severely limited and restricted to merely facilitating that maximal freedom of individuals through the provision of security and infrastructure.
See below as the cock sucking liar dennis takes one more opportunity to run his ignorant fvcking mouth about some horse shit that no one cares about.
Jonathan: It seems Republicans are intent on bringing the Bible into public instruction. There is another Republican who wants to require state schools in Michigan to provide instruction on the “Christian foundations” of the country. It’s GOP Michigan state rep Neil Friske who is a member of the state’s “Freedom Caucus” and who is a co-sponsor of a bill to do just that.
Only one little problem for Friske. At 2:45 am on Thursday he was arrested by Lansing PD for chasing an adult dancer down the street, after some disagreement, and had a gun in his possession. Reporting indicates the “adult dancer” works for the Lansing “Deja Vu” gentleman’s club chain. And get this, the club chain was founded by Harry Mohoney who began his business career by inventing the pornographic drive-in theater that featured “Deep Throat”.
So Friske is very “Christian” by chasing a stripper down the street with a gun in the middle of the night. In bygone days Friske would have apologized to his constituents, his family and God and would have resigned. Not Friske who now lives in “Trump’s World”. Friske claims his arrest some plot by the police and the Dems to go after him. His campaign said Friske was “just exercising his 2nd Amendment rights” and his arrest was “suspect” because his opponent in the race has “deep-state ties”. Sound familiar? It’s what DJT and other Republicans claim these days when they get caught by the long arm of the law!
Maryland Democrat Leader Caught In Child Sex-Predator Sting
“Some of this stuff said here, like, you know ‘I want to rape you,’ ‘I want to see how much of a f*ggot you are,’ what was kinda said about that?”
Knaapen said that he liked fantasy and the teenage boy on the other end of the conversation seemed to “enjoy it.”
https://thepostmillennial.com/maryland-lgbtq-dems-activist-leader-caught-in-child-sex-predator-sting-report
Why do you want to always rape 14 year old boys?
Why did Joe Biden shower with his then under aged daughter?
Do you shower with your under aged grand daughter?
Why is the Deamocrats party the party of sexually abusing under aged children?
Why is the Deamocrats support open boarders and human and sex trafficking?
Dennis, the Deep State exonerates incompetent grifters sitting in the Oval Office. Is framing people that impossible?
As long as he’s not tried in NYC or Washington D.C., we might actually get the truth about Friske.
Regarding the historical aspects of the foundation of law and culture, yes it is appropriate to teach students about the Ten Commandments. Do not kill. Do not steal. Do not lie. Do not hurt your spouse by cheating on him or her. Love your neighbor as yourself. This what law is based on and these are universal in many cultures.
These are foundational cornerstone concepts. I am a Christian. I am not ashamed of that. I have also lived in India and traveled in the Mideast. I was not offended by the religious culture. I was not keen on the Iranians throwing gays off of buildings or imprisoning females for adultery (letting the man go). But I respected how they conducted their business. Will I be maligned for who I am?
Religion (not to be confused with true Christianity) can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. One could argue that Marxism, Darwinism, etc can be classified as a religion. There are many hucksters and Charlatans who have done a dandy job at marring the name of God for their personal gain.
Frankly, I do not want my grandchildren to be subjected to DEI, Marxism, Communism, Darwinism, Christian doctrine, Islam, Hinduism, or any political leaning, including the endless indoctrination of the Pride movement.
They need to know what these things are from an historical perspective. It should be up to the church, synagogue, etc. and the families to teach their children about such things.
Decades ago, when I was in my twenties, I taught school for a number years. My students stood and said the pledge of allegiance and were able to cite the capital cities of each state, our government officials ( state and local) and were expected to conduct themselves with respect and order. Even then, we were restricted from teaching a specific doctrine but we could touch on the subject of what is a religion and a few key elements that distinguish them.
This was a safe environment where we learned mathematics, geography, language (reading and writing) and science. Unlike those days gone by, especially in this age of social media and the vast oceans of information and misinformation, students must learn to recognize lies and deception. To make up their own mind. To know the whole truth and every side of an argument.
For nearly 20 years, politicians of both parties misled Americans that Edward Snowden intentionally landed his plane in Russia.
Turns out those same politicians intentionally diverted and intentionally grounded Snowden’s plane in Russia – then misled 330 million Americans implying Snowden voluntarily fled to Russia.
Snowden was the guy reporting war crimes and other crimes by U.S. officials. Prior to 2001, this was legal for an American whistleblower to do and his duty under his Oath of Office. George W. Bush simply disabled the internal whistle blower system for secret information. Snowden essentially was sounding the alarm that Bush officials were betraying their Oath of Office.
Would that be a crime if it happened in Wales?
I keep hoping I’ll wake up from the McCommunist Era we’re in. Maybe someday liberals will realize how badly they’ve gone wrong, but I’m still waiting.
I disagree with liberals on a lot of things, but I don’t doubt the need for them. There are bad cops. There are crooked corporations. There are pointless military gestures. There are racists who harm innocents. Fighting all that is what liberals used to do.
Now they are as much the bad cops as Bull Connor. They’ve developed a consuming passion for the revolving door into opulent oligarchy. Given any excuse, Generalissimo Milley would have bombed Texas and Tennessee. Ibram X. Kendi has made race baiting fashionable.
I believe the day will come when many liberals will regret MSNBC and Joe Biden, but the bigger problem is that even if the left does develop a conscience, how will it matter when America keeps hoovering up the Third World.
I have been to the Third World. Tribalism, patriarchy, corruption, poverty, crime, oppression, jihadism, and Communism, you name it, and it’s coming in the southern border–with a credit card from Uncle Joe. At some point, even liberals won’t be able to punish their leaders for corruption and incompetence. Right now, they’re rewarding them.
I would just ask our liberal friends and neighbors, if the goal is to reduce the carbon footprint in North America, how does importing another 100,000,000 from the Third World do that? It doesn’t. Some of those people with Joe’s credit card came here to put their carbon footprint on your throat. It’s not about the environment. It’s about money and power.
If the border is the new ballot box, the pendulum will never swing again for anybody. Just sayin’.
Diogenes: great points all around, especially about the increasing carbon footprint with the erasure of the southern border. Things have really deteriorated for a society when these things become acceptable in the dominant culture: attacks on First Amendment protections; Nazi-like antisemitism; race baiting in the name of DEI; and drag shows with names like “it’s not gonna lick itself” for elementary school students. Sadly that’s exactly where we are. At some point the Benedict option really does make sense, especially if one has children.
Kansas, I just looked up the Benedict Option. A good idea in some circumstances, but I fear all good people will still have to fight just to be left alone these days.
What’s most puzzling to me, Kansas, is that smaller Western countries appear to be waking up (ja, ja, even der Swedish!), but in larger Western countries, the Left still hangs on to power. Germany is trying to outlaw the AFD, France has yet to fully embrace Le Pen, the Tories are as bad as Labor (thus splitting England’s right), and I suspect it’s still Joe’s election to lose. The polls are not reliable and get less so every year. How many times have swing voters “jackknifed” on Republicans the night before the election!
I hate seeing everything teetering in what should be the most stable and democratic world powers.
The polls may reflect sentiment but I agree they are worthless as a predictor of who is likely to win. The ground game for turnout will determine that. If the GOP gets comfortable with the polls, it will lose just like it has done for the last four years, with limited exceptions. The turnout game on the ground is what counts.
As for the Benedict option, for me it’s not merely academic. My own life is worth little to me, as I have already lived a full life and am well into my 60s. I’m trying to figure out a strategy to preserve my posterity. That includes three kids between ages 25 and 30, and two more who will graduate high school in the next few years.
Oldmanfromkansas writes, “I’m trying to figure out a strategy to preserve my posterity.”
Hang in there, Kansas. They need our help because events are proving very unkind to young people.
Five kids! Three wore me out. Thank you for your service to the gene pool 😉
Diogenes,
Well said.
My sister is a registered Democrat. She is one of the sane, traditional, normal ones. She is seriously shocked and dismayed by the woke leftists that have highjacked the party. Many of her friends feel the same way. On the other hand, she has had a few of them tell her that her, “thinking was wrong.” I.e. she needed to get on board with the woke leftist mindset.
She has written to both the Biden campaign and the DNC that if they did not, for lack of better terms, unscrew themselves, she would not vote for the Democrat party at all.
Upstate, your sister is a patriot and so are you! Your parents deserve a lot of credit.
“There are racists who harm innocents. Fighting all that is what liberals used to do.”
– Diogenes
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Racists who harm innocents, indeed. Most recently 17 million illegal invaders crossed the border. Racism was never part of the design and original intent. The “racist” plans of Lincoln et al. would have resolved much, including more-than-appropriate compassionate repatriation, “Jim Crow,” and perpetual bias, reverse bias, and attendant animosity, real or imagined. Rather, America has enjoyed the communist “dictatorship of the proletariat’s” wholly unnatural forced integration, after the abject violation of extant immigration law, the Naturalization Act of 1802.
“The Home of the Brave and the Land of the Free,” 1814.
Not so much, right?
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“Abraham Lincoln’s Program of Black Resettlement”
“’If all earthly power were given me,’ said Lincoln in a speech delivered in Peoria, Illinois, on October 16, 1854, “I should not know what to do, as to the existing institution [of slavery]. My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia, to their own native land.’ After acknowledging that this plan’s ‘sudden execution is impossible,’ he asked whether freed blacks should be made “politically and socially our equals?” ‘My own feelings will not admit of this,’ he said, ‘and [even] if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not … We can not, then, make them equals.'”5
“One of Lincoln’s most representative public statements on the question of racial relations was given in a speech at Springfield, Illinois, on June 26, 1857.6 In this address, he explained why he opposed the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which would have admitted Kansas into the Union as a slave state:
“There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races … A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas …”
“Racial separation, Lincoln went on to say, ‘must be effected by colonization’ of the country’s blacks to a foreign land. ‘The enterprise is a difficult one,’ he acknowledged,
“but ‘where there is a will there is a way,’ and what colonization needs most is a hearty will. Will springs from the two elements of moral sense and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.”
– Robert Morgan
George, immigration has become the path from socialism to communism, and the people who are pushing it know it.
“Read my lips…no new taxes”
In heaven there will be no laws, and the lion will lie down with the lamb. In hell there is nothing but law and due process is meticulously observed.
Some politicians are determined to bring hell to earth.
OMFK, You would defraud us, would you?
From Reddit
“The word “hell” and the fiery pits in which bad people go to does not exist in the Bible. The first mention of Hell was in English translations of the Bible. Prior to that, it was a place called Gehenna. Gehenna is/was a real place in Jerusalem that was the dumping grounds for trash and waste. When it is mentioned in the Bible, it is used metaphorically saying that being a bad person isn’t fulfilling.”
“For hundreds of years, Hell has been a threat for Christians to behave and follow the church. The modern context of Hell in Christianity is purely for fear mongering.”
– phantomeagle319x
Its called the lake of fire.
Its as old as The Revelation of John
Get your shit right or stfu about it.
Anon, the other anon thinks a random commenter on reddit is more reliable than the Bible.
Hell. Have either of you been there? Please do provide proof.
Estovir says:
the Tower of Babel* seems applicable
Then the LORD said: If now, while they are one people and all have the same language, they have started to do this, nothing they presume to do will be out of their reach. Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that no one will understand the speech of another. So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.
* This story illustrates increasing human wickedness, shown here in the sinful pride that human beings take in their own achievements apart from God.
So, this god of yours felt it necessary to intervene with man when he was getting too big for his britches, but not when thousands of innocent young lives were being destroyed by the worlds most notorious child cornholing ring, the catholic church.
So much for free will.
Not to mention, that for an “omniscient” one, strange he didn’t see that coming. Babel or cornhole.
Anonymous, re pedos (and their enablers) in the church, consider this parable told by Jesus:
The Kingdom of Heaven is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field; which indeed is smaller than all seeds but when it is grown, it is greater than the herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in its branches.
Matthew 13:31-32. I’d like to draw attention to the birds in particular. Should the tree be blamed or even cut down because of the birds?
Birds dont cornhole little boys.
As with all parables the language is symbolic, i.e., it’s not talking about actual birds.
“There’s lies, dam**d lies and statistics!”
So are they banning statistics as well?
See below as the LYING COCK SUCKER Dennis McIntyre, lies some more abut DJT.
Poor Dennis, what would he do without Donald?
Dennis hates that his hoe state of Ohio has outlawed pedophilia. It’s not against the 10 commandments, he says!!
@ David: “So are they banning statistics as well?”
Only if they don’t lie.
Remember, if you control the input you can control the output.
David,
I recall some of the studies intended to prove that HCQ and Ivermectin were not effective treatments for Covid.
In the first place if you intend to prove something rather than see what is true you have already injected bias.
By the time most of these studies were published actual physicians working with patients had already worked out when to start treatment [right away] the dosages based on weight, and the duration [about a week]. Despite that hands-on practical experience, many of the studies used low doses, started late in the disease, and discontinued treatment too early. The studies appeared designed to fail. Even then sometimes the results were unexpected. One study published in JAMA, I believe, announced in its title and abstract that Ivermectin was ineffective. Yet, despite being low dose Ivermectin, in the body of the study the mortality rate for the Ivermectin group was significantly lower than the death rate for the control. I think not dying is a positive result, but it was cited as proof Ivermectin was ineffective by people who read only the title or skimmed the abstract. But it’s JAMA! Unfortunately, a lot of the shine has come off even publications like The Lancet and NEJM. One thing we should have learned from Covid is that nobody is God and that we should always remain skeptical of those who claim they are The Science and demand that we not doubt them.
In the event, it had turned out that many of the lies, disinformation and misinformation for which one could go to prison in Wales under the proposed law was correct after all.
Jonathan: The weekend wouldn’t be complete without mentioning DJT’s “love” affair with the Ten Commandments. He endorses GOP Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry’s bill that requires the display of the Ten Commandments in every public classroom. Louisiana is the only state to do that. No doubt there will be a successful challenge to Landry’s bill as a clear violation of the separation of church and state.
Never mind. DJT would go further: “I LOVE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PRIVATE SCHOOLS, AND MANY OTHER PLACES, FOR THAT MATTER. READ IT—HOW CAN WE, AS A NATION, GO WRONG??? THIS MAY, IN FACT, THE FIRST MAJOR STEP IN THE REVIVAL OF RELIGION, WHICH IS DESPERATELY NEED, IN OUR COUNTRY. BRING BACK TTC!!! MAGA 2024”.
Critics were quick to point out DJT’s hypocrisy. What about the 7th commandment that forbids adultery? What about Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal?–at a time when Melania was at home caring for the couple’s newborn? And what about other of the Commandments? How about the 8th “Thou shall not steal”–that forbids cheating others out of what they worked for? Yeah, what about Trump University? Or what about the 9th Commandment “Thou shall not bear false witness”–that warns against lying to others?
I’m sure DJT will want to display the Ten commandments at all his properties. But look closely. The 7th, 8th 9th Commandments will be crossed out–using a Sharpie black marker pen!
It’s the country, stupid
Oh! No! Dont look now, but your narrative is falling apart! 🙂
All this time, you, new moron George, Dennis, Gigig have all been telling us and the good professor were all wrong about the NY Trump case.
But now we have former NY governor and NYC AG Andrew Cuomo and Judge Judy both saying you were wrong and we were right!
Why? They see how much damage the leftist Democrats are doing to not only their party, but the justice system. They might not like Trump, but they are calling out the DNC for their wrongs.
We were talking about principles the other day. Clearly there are still some sane, normal, traditional Democrats who still have some principles.
Woke leftist Democrats with TDS on the other hand, clearly do not.
Trump needs a VP with demonstrated hands-on skills.
The obvious choice is Lauren Boebert.
Lauren Boebert…the “hands on” candidate!
She could get in there and really get a hand on things in a hurry – and get the staff to rise to the occasion.
She would be a handy addition to the cabinet.
Does the White House have a theater?
I hear that’s where she does her best work.
Her community outreach efforts are impressive.
She might be grasping at a straw though.
Who deosn’t love Lauren??? That gorgeous bltch can have my maga cock any time she wants it!
Sorry all you have on your side is skank ass kunts like Maxine and Nancy
In your case Lauren wouldn’t need to use her whole hand.
Her little pinky finger would get the job done !!!!
Who is “your”?
I dont know, i’m just saying whatever comes to my tiny brain. Now get over here and shove that huge maga cock up my ass while i suck upstate’s balls.
Naw dude, sorry, Lauren and I are rolling like thunder. You and upstate are on your own.
Please dont leave me alone with upstate! His cock is just too big! He splits my poor liberal taint every time he dresses up like clarence thomas for me.
I bet you are pretty good with your hand.(s)…..yet another Left wing soloist, maskurbating (sic) away to MSDNC video of “Not-a-Doctor” Jill, leading her brain dead, slurring, feckless, Obimbo sock puppet around,. Get a life meat beat! You are clearly mentally ill.
Have you considered taking an anger management class.
It may also help you overcome your feelings of inadequacy that result from your very small hands.
^^^^Loser turdrunner/big hands back again
BOO !!!!!!!
Far leftist MSM spin is failing so much, even traditional liberal Democrats are calling out the crap.
Former NY Gov. Cuomo says Trump’s hush money case should not have been brought forward
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/former-ny-gov-cuomo-says-trumps-hush-money-case-should-not-have-been-brought
Do you get paid every time you post this link?
Oh! No! Dont look now, but your narrative is falling apart! 🙂
All this time, you, new moron George, Dennis, Gigig have all been telling us and the good professor were all wrong about the NY Trump case.
But now we have former NY governor and NYC AG Andrew Cuomo and Judge Judy both saying you were wrong and we were right!
Why? They see how much damage the leftist Democrats are doing to not only their party, but the justice system. They might not like Trump, but they are calling out the DNC for their wrongs.
We were talking about principles the other day. Clearly there are still some sane, normal, traditional Democrats who still have some principles.
Woke leftist Democrats on the other hand, clearly do not.
Doesn’t answer actual questions…
Must be on someone’s payroll, like others here.
Or else just a blowhard for free?
Oh! No! Dont look now, but your narrative is falling apart! 🙂
All this time, you, new moron George, Dennis, Gigig have all been telling us and the good professor were all wrong about the NY Trump case.
But now we have former NY governor and NYC AG Andrew Cuomo and Judge Judy both saying you were wrong and we were right!
Why? They see how much damage the leftist Democrats are doing to not only their party, but the justice system. They might not like Trump, but they are calling out the DNC for their wrongs.
We were talking about principles the other day. Clearly there are still some sane, normal, traditional Democrats who still have some principles.
Woke leftist Democrats on the other hand, clearly do not.
As UpstateFarmer shows his true colors,
joining new moron George, Dennis, Gigi
and those ‘Anonymous’ to just scroll past…
Look as the spastic who keeps answering his own drivel gets cornholed by upstate with his own tactics. Bwahahahahah
“As a person who owns property in Manhattan I would be happier if Alvin Bragg took care of criminals who make it impossible to ride the subway or walk the streets, than spending $10 million of taxpayer money trying Donald Trump on nonsense.”
“I, as a taxpayer in this country, resent using the system for your own personal self-aggrandizement,”
“You had to twist yourself into a pretzel to figure out what the crime was, he [Bragg] doesn’t like [Trump].”
— Judge Judy Sheindlin
^^ OT Confirmation bias, move along
Oh! No! Dont look now, but your narrative is falling apart! 🙂
All this time, you, new moron George, Dennis, Gigig have all been telling us and the good professor were all wrong about the NY Trump case.
But now we have former NY governor and NYC AG Andrew Cuomo and Judge Judy both saying you were wrong and we were right!
Why? They see how much damage the leftist Democrats are doing to not only their party, but the justice system. They might not like Trump, but they are calling out the DNC for their wrongs.
We were talking about principles the other day. Clearly there are still some sane, normal, traditional Democrats who still have some principles.
Woke leftist Democrats on the other hand, clearly do not.
Problems with your childish response include:
I am not a ‘woke leftist Democrat’
and it isn’t my narrative that’s falling apart.
Oh! No! Dont look now, but your narrative is falling apart! 🙂
All this time, you, new moron George, Dennis, Gigig have all been telling us and the good professor were all wrong about the NY Trump case.
But now we have former NY governor and NYC AG Andrew Cuomo and Judge Judy both saying you were wrong and we were right!
Why? They see how much damage the leftist Democrats are doing to not only their party, but the justice system. They might not like Trump, but they are calling out the DNC for their wrongs.
We were talking about principles the other day. Clearly there are still some sane, normal, traditional Democrats who still have some principles.
Woke leftist Democrats on the other hand, clearly do not.
It seems like you’re the one with the narrative you’re worried about.
Stop acting like a little kunt
Its not my fault! Upstate leeps posting the same thing over and over. All i was doing was posting 8 replies in a row to my own spastic comment. Wasnt hurtin no one.
Just killin time before i have to leave for my glory hole gig at the bath house.
Still, why are you here??
Well, honestly, there is no cock I prefer in my ass than maga cock. I come here for that feeling i can only get by acting like a little spastic kunt. Its my free speech right.
Do you know where i can get a sam alito blow up doll?
Awww poor baby doesnt like childish responses.
Wow! In had no idea you creepy cretins got up this early.
Who is In?
An even bigger problem than lies is silence when speech is required. This problem was recently discussed by Matt Taibi. An example is the refusal of the mass media to discuss the Hunter Biden laptop in October 2020. If the contents of the laptop been discussed then, Joe Biden would not be President now.
Edwardmahl,
If there were only some way to hold MSM accountable.
Oh, we can. Simply turn them off or change the channel.
That’s not holding them accountable.
That’s just avoiding them.
Correct, it is the boomer way, and how we got here. Spineless pansies.
See below for the spastic turdrunner, who struggles with math. The illegal immigrant crime rate is 100%
See below for the spastic idiot who dreams of being cornholed by Clarence Thomas
Seek help, Pencil Dick—-you are clearly in need of it! One sick puppy, for sure.
He calls him pencil dick because he likes licking the #2 from it.
Happy birthday to Clarence Thomas !!
The Supreme Court’s most senior Associate Justice turns 76 today.
Serious conundrum: What do you get the man who has everything?
A nice pair of handcuffs would be a good idea.
Ask Harlan, he seems to get it right every time
I’m sure his sugar daddy has something really special planned for him.
A new RV to drive off into the sunset ??
Tiki lights and bug spray for RV site
Can someone get him a moral compass?
LONG LIVE CLARENCE!!!
Can someone get this spastic idiot a new dad joke book.
Why was the pencil floating in the toilet bow?
It was a #2
Huh?
What??
What about the spastic idiot who has nothing but a drinking habit?
Yes, Sugar Plum. Just like old demented Joe, who slurs and stumbles like a totally inebriated drunk —-without even imbibing a drop!
Huh?
Well Said!
Far leftist MSM spin is failing so much, even traditional liberal Democrats are calling out the crap. Former NY Gov. Cuomo says Trump’s hush money case should not have been brought forward
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/former-ny-gov-cuomo-says-trumps-hush-money-case-should-not-have-been-brought
Can you IMAGINE Jonathan, how this law would apply to I was a Truck Driver, First in his Law Class, My House Burned Down in Delaware, I was raised in a Black Puerto Rican neighborhood, I inherited 9% inflation when I came into office, the Southern Border is secure, Joe ??????
See below as Dennis McIntyre, the cock sucking LIAR extraordinaire, rambles about jailing people for lying. You can’t make this shit up!!
I notice he doesn’t mention what would happen to Joe Biden. Typical of a cock sucking LIAR.
Jonathan: What a “wale” of an idea!. That politicians could be criminally prosecuted for lying. If applied here half of Congress would be in jail. All the state and criminal prosecutions of DJT would be unnecessary. He would be in jail right now for the hundreds of lies he has told. The most recent is his lie that the FBI was going to “assassinate” him during the search of Mar-a-Lago. George Santos would also be in jail for all his lies. Then we have the lies from the “twin Jims” about a vast corruption of the “Biden crime family”. The House would grind to a halt with most of the MAGA Republicans in the pokey!
Apropos your topic there is another case of lies and vast corruption right here–in the state of Ohio. What’s that about? David Dewitt had a column on Friday in the Ohio Capitol Journal titled “Phenomenally corrupt or insanely incompetent? What is Gov. Mike DeWine’s deal?”. DeWitt details how First Energy, that operates nuclear and coal power plants in Ohio, funneled $60 million in bribes to various public officials to get a $1.3 billion public bailout–that also gutted Ohio’s renewable energy program that posed a threat to FE’s monopoly power.
A former Ohio GOP House Speaker was sentenced to 20 years for his participation in the illegal scheme. A former GOP Chair has been sentenced to 5 years for trying to stop a citizen initiative to repeal the give-a-way to FE.
FE lobbyists pled guilty for their part in the scheme. Even the former CEO of FE and its VP have also been charged.
Dewitt points out that GOP Gov. DeWine claims he was unaware of the bribery scheme even though he was directly involved in passing the law that benefited FE. At the time DeWine says he thought the FE bailout was “good law”. To which DeWitt responded: “So he thought it was good law to gut Ohio’s renewable energy portfolio and move Ohio from a leader in renewable energy to a non-competitor. He thinks its good law that Ohioans are pumping hundreds of millions of dollars still to prop up failing coal mines, one of which isn’t even in Ohio”. DeWitt concludes his column by saying Gov. DeWine is either lying or he is “wildly incompetent”.
When it comes to lies and corruption the GOP in Ohio are the masters. Maybe Wales is onto something!
YAWN
Thank goodness no Dems ever lie, right, Dennis?
What is Dennis “wailing” about now?
At least his alter ego ‘Gigi’ hasn’t chimed in yet.
Sounds like a good law to me, and one that an honest politician wouldn’t need to be bribed to support. “Renewable energy” is a fraud, and the only reason it is ever funded is kickbacks.
Interesting idea, but not in a good way.
Are politicians going to have to announce a disclaimer when giving an opinion in public?
As with Covid, can some things that were claimed and months and years later proven to be false by scientific studies, can those people then be disbarred? And the obverse, if something claimed as false and later proven true, does that politician get their position back?
–Are politicians going to have to announce a disclaimer when giving an opinion in public?–
Or what if you’re someone posting overly partisan comments on a daily basis?
If you’re someone playing in the game, should you follow the same rules?