Below is my column in The Hill on last week’s cases and the sharp contrast to the handling of the Trump case in Manhattan. Two of these cases hold particular resonance with some of us who criticized Bragg’s prosecution.
Here is the column:
In 1976, Saul Steinburg’s hilarious “View of the World from 9th Avenue” was published on the cover of the New Yorker. The map showed Manhattan occupying most of the known world with wilderness on the other side of the Hudson River between New York and San Francisco. The cartoon captured the distorted view New Yorkers have of the rest of the country.
Roughly 50 years later, the image has flipped for many. With the Trump trial, Manhattan has become a type of legal wilderness where prosecutors use the legal system to hunt down political rivals and thrill their own supporters. New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) ran on a pledge to bag former president Donald Trump. (She also sought to dissolve the National Rifle Association.)
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg also pledged to get Trump. Neither specified how they would do it, but both were elected and both were lionized for bringing controversial cases against Trump.
Just beyond the Hudson River, the response to these cases has been far less positive. James secured an obscene civil penalty of almost half a billion dollars without having to show there was a single victim or dollar lost from alleged overvaluation of assets.
Through various contortions, Bragg converted a dead misdemeanor case into 34 felonies in an unprecedented prosecution. New Yorkers and the media insisted that such selective prosecution was in defense of the “rule of law.”
This week in the Supreme Court, a glimpse of the legal landscape outside of Manhattan came more sharply into view. It looked very different as the Supreme Court, with a strong conservative majority, defended the rights of defendants and upheld core principles that are being systematically gutted in New York.
In Gonzalez v. Trevino, the court held in favor of Sylvia Gonzalez, who had been arrested in Castle Hills, Texas in 2019 on a trumped-up charge of tampering with government records. She had briefly misplaced a petition on a table at a public meeting.
This was a blatant case of selective prosecution by officials whom Gonzalez had criticized. She was the only person charged in the last 10 years under the state’s records laws for temporarily misplacing a document. She argued that virtually every one of the prior 215 felony indictments involved the use or creation of fake government IDs.
Although the charges were later dropped, the case reeked of political retaliation and selective prosecution. There is no evidence that anyone else has faced such a charge in similar circumstances. Yet when she sued, the appellate court threw her case out, requiring Gonzales to shoulder an overwhelming burden of proof to establish selective prosecution for her political speech. The justices, on the other hand, reduced that burden, allowing Gonzalez to go back and make the case for selective prosecution.
Unlike the Trump case, the criminal charges against Gonzales were thrown out before trial. For Trump, selective prosecution claims were summarily dismissed, even though no case like Bragg’s appears to have ever been brought before.
The Bragg case is raw political prosecution. No one seriously argues that Bragg would have brought this case against anyone other than Trump. Indeed, his predecessor rejected the case. Yet people were literally dancing in the streets when I came out of the courthouse after the verdict against Trump. In fact, the selectivity of the prosecution was precisely why it was so thrilling for New Yorkers.
Another case decided this week was Erlinger v. United States. The justices ruled 6-3 (and not along the standard ideological lines) to send back a case in which Paul Erlinger had been convicted of unlawful possession of a firearm as a felon. He was given an enhanced sentence for having three prior convictions for violent felonies or serious drug offenses. However, the court denied him the right to have a jury rule on the key issue of whether these prior offenses occurred on different occasions.
The court ruled that a jury had to decide this issue unanimously under a standard of beyond reasonable doubt. This is in contrast to how the Trump case was handled, in which jurors could disagree on key aspects of the crime yet still convict the defendant.
In Trump’s trial, Judge Juan Merchan effectively guaranteed a conviction by telling jurors that they did not have to agree with specificity on what had occurred in the case to convict Trump. The only way to get beyond the passage of the statute of limitations on the dead misdemeanor for falsifying business records had been to allege that the bookkeeping violation in question occurred to conceal another crime. Bragg did not bother to state clearly what that crime was, originally alluding to four different crimes.
It was not until the end of the case that Merchan would lay out three possible crimes for the jury. All the way up to the final instructions in the case, legal analysts on CNN and other outlets expressed doubt about what the actual theory of the criminal conduct was in the case.
Despite spending little time on these secondary crimes at trial, Merchan told the jury that they could convict if they believed that invoices and other documents had been falsified to hide federal election violations, other falsification violations or a tax violation.
Those are very different theories of a criminal conspiracy. Under one theory, Trump was hiding an affair with a porn actress with the payment of hush money before the election. Under another theory, he was trying to reduce a tax burden for someone else (that part was left hazy). As a third alternative, he might have falsified the documents to hide the falsification of other documents, a perfectly spellbinding circular theory.
If those sound like they could be three different cases, then you are right. Yet Merchan told the jurors that they did not have to agree on which fact-pattern or conspiracy had occurred. They could split 4-4-4 on the secondary crime motivating the misdemeanors and just declare that some secondary crime was involved.
That was all that is required in New York when in pursuit of Trump.
Neither of these two cases is controlling in the Trump case, although there are two others pending on the use of obstruction (Fischer v. United States) and presidential immunity (Trump v. United States) that could affect some of the cases against Trump. But Gonzales and Erlinger demonstrate the high level of protections that we normally afford criminal defendants. A court with a 6-3 conservative majority just ruled for the rights of all defendants in defense of the rule of law.
That is not how the law is seen from 9th Avenue.
It all comes down to the legal map. As even CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig observed, this case of contorting the law for a selective prosecution would not have succeeded outside of an anti-Trump district.
On the New Yorker map circa 2024, once you cross the Hudson River eastward, you enter a legal wilderness.
Jonathan Turley is the J.B. and Maurice C. Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at the George Washington University School of Law. He is the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage” (Simon and Schuster, 2024).
Dear Mr. Turley, In a response to Gigi, I would ask her if she would remember Mr. Biden stating on how he threatened the Ukrainians over one of their prosecutors looking into the corruption of Burisma? Now we know why Mr. Biden was so anxious to take some heat off of that investigation…. Hunter Biden was involved in this company. How about his storage of Classified documents, in 6 different, unsecured places? He had absolutely no right to remove any of them. he shared these classified documents with his ghostwriter. How about when he couldn’t keep his hands off of a wife whose husband was giving a speech right in front of him? How about the withdrawal from Afghanistan? Our boarders? His getting us involved into two different wars? Go ahead and mock me all that you want. We deplorables are very proud to support Mr. Trump. No, he isn’t perfect, however, I would wager that like me, you aren’t either.
No, DJT is not perfect. That’s a given. But it’s funny, don’t you think, that the DMC, MSDMC, CBS, ABC, CNN and the rest of the MSM WORSHIP at the feet of the feet of a Demented Old Man, his Controllers, (Obama and Obama’s cronies who served with him in the Whitehouse and are ALL still there) who have lied and lied and lied some more that OBiden is some kind of Messiah. If he is, he is of His father, the Devil!!!!! Such Evil abounds in this world. Aren’t you glad, it’s not our final home?
About the only thing that is not totally boring about Gigi, is that clinically, she is psychotic. Aside from being a pathological liar, she has this weird delusion. She seems to think her repetitive rants here serve some other purpose than to CONVINCE the readership of what kind of people exist on the left.
The idea that she can’t see that she is CEMENTING support for Trump by her completely unhinged, incoherent tirades, is intriguing.
I’d love to examine her on a couch, but not for the diabetes that fat bltch is undoubtedly suffering from.
Has the DSM-5 included TDS yet?
Just imagine if the judicial branch, including the Supreme Court, had upheld the Constitution in 1860—secession is not prohibited and is fully constitutional.
Merely the threat of the CSA invoking not-prohibited and fully constitutional secession would have kept the issue of reprehensible slavery in legislatures, where it would have ultimately “withered on the vine.”
Long-suffering freed slaves would have been denied admission to become citizens per extant immigration law and compassionately repatriated, as was their due as abductees whose primary desire is to simply return home; the Israelite slaves were out of Egypt before the ink was dry on their release papers.
Problem solved.
The singular American failure has been and remains the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
Leticia James, Alfonse Bragg, Big Fanny Willis, Barry Soetoro et al. wouldn’t be railing against America and those pesky white people, they wouldn’t even be here.
Communism wouldn’t even be here.
America would simply be Americans, their Constitution and their Bill of Rights.
Oh, Happy Day!
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“Abraham Lincoln’s Program of Black Resettlement”
“’If all earthly power were given me,’ said Lincoln in a speech delivered in Peoria, Illinois, on October 16, 1854, “I should not know what to do, as to the existing institution [of slavery]. My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia, to their own native land.’ After acknowledging that this plan’s ‘sudden execution is impossible,’ he asked whether freed blacks should be made “politically and socially our equals?” ‘My own feelings will not admit of this,’ he said, ‘and [even] if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not … We can not, then, make them equals.’”5
“One of Lincoln’s most representative public statements on the question of racial relations was given in a speech at Springfield, Illinois, on June 26, 1857.6 In this address, he explained why he opposed the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which would have admitted Kansas into the Union as a slave state:
“There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races … A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas …”
“Racial separation, Lincoln went on to say, ‘must be effected by colonization’ of the country’s blacks to a foreign land. ‘The enterprise is a difficult one,’ he acknowledged,
“but ‘where there is a will there is a way,’ and what colonization needs most is a hearty will. Will springs from the two elements of moral sense and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.”
– Robert Morgan
Just imagine if George accepted history and reality, including the Civil War, the 13th,14th, and 15th amendments, and the Supreme Court decision in Texas v White (1869) that States have no constititional right to secede.
Res ipsa loquitur, George
You failed to cite the Constitution wherein secession is not prohibited.
You purport that since secession is not prohibited, secession is prohibited.
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“That dudn’t make any sense!”
– George W. Bush
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In a society of laws, must society adhere to the laws?
George is channeling long dead Kluxxers again. He dreams of a day where he and his ilk will never see another black face in America.
I dream of a day where we never see George or another Kluxxer in America.
Let me extend that to say I hope to see a day when we don’t see the black racist versions of George in America i.e. Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, Al Sharpton, and of course the The Magical Marxist Mulatto Clown.
Wouldn’t it be great to lock them all in a football stadium together? All the racists whether white like George, black like Farrakhan – all of them no matter what color? Sell tickets to be in the audience and licenses for pay-per-view, and then throw baseball bats, pieces of pipe, axes, etc on the field so George and his Racist Brothers From Different Mothers could go sort it all out for once between themselves?
Good times, eh George!
I quoted Comrade General Secretary “Crazy Abe.” Those were his plans. You are reminiscent of “Crazy Abe” – ignore the law and resort to violence. Brilliant! I must say. Corrective action was implemented and Roe v. Wade was struck down retroactively by 50 years following the law.
The twin prosecutions of Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani are part of a civil war being waged by NYC elites and their captive groups against middle America. It has been going on for a long time, but it is only becoming clear to many Americans. The irrational zealotry of the persecutors is shown by the fact that Trump has provided employment to thousands of New Yorkers and Giuliani made the city livable again. It doesn’t matter. The joy of personal destruction overcomes the interest in recognizing positive contributions to the City. After 9/11, most Americans felt solidarity and sympathy for NYC. If such an event were to happen again, it is doubtfull that the reaction of the rest of the country would be the same.
Walk like a Joe Biden parody.
Sinister smile.
Sinister laugh.
Despicable human being.
Dear Mr. Turley, in response to Gigi, all of the accusations she has mentioned concerning Mr. Trump could also be said about Joe Biden. However, he is protected by the left-leaning media and those in our government who have refused to get to the truth about his influence peddling with various foreign governments, as well as his threats towards foreign officials. How about Tara Reed? She was shut down fast. Yet look at all of the wasted time spent on Brett Kavanaugh’s hearing over one unsubstantiated claim a witness made, who appeared drugged as she was testifying. I don’t know what it will take for the Left to see the unevenness of our Judicial system. It seems to me the Left’s mantra is “the end justifies the means”. The left wants total control of all three branches of our Government and will bully any official standing in their way.
Well said
They WILL
Abolish the filibuster
add 2 blue states and 4 dem senators
abolish the electoral college
pack the Supreme Court
pass any law they want
Game over.
They already tried it. Only Joe Manchin stood in their way.
Dear Anonymous: You claim that “all of the accusations” against Trump apply to Biden–has Biden been convicted of 34 felonies? Has Biden been sued for sexually assaulting a woman and defaming her? Has Biden been sued for falsifying loan applications? Is Biden being prosecuted for deliberately stealing classified documents, lying about “declassifying” them, lying about returning them? Did Biden peddle the Big Lie and start an insurrection when he lost an election? Has Biden been sued thousands of times for cheating workes and mateiral suppliers, forcing them to sue and then bragging that he got a settlement on better terms because he drove up litigation costs? Has Biden deliberately destroyed art works he promised to donate to an art museum? Has Biden been sued for racial discrimination in housing?
Republicans have spent years and millions of our taxpayer dollars trying to prove Biden has been involved in “influence peddling”, only to come up with nothing. Tara Reade has told different stories at different times and is considered to be unreliable–from NBC News:
“Reade has changed her story from a year ago
In 2019, she accused Biden of inappropriate touching — but not of assault. “Alexandra Tara Reade said that in 1993 she was in her mid-20s when Biden, then a senator from Delaware, touched her several times making her feel uncomfortable,”The Union reported last year. “Reade said her responsibilities in the senator’s office were reduced after she refused to serve drinks at an event — what she called a desire of Biden’s because he liked her legs. Reade said she felt pushed out and left Biden’s employ in August 1993 after some nine months. ‘He used to put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck,’ Reade said. ‘I would just kind of freeze and wait for him to stop doing that.’
Reade later said she didn’t discuss the assault allegation because she was scared and not “quite ready.” “I wanted to share the whole thing, but at the same time I was too scared,” Reade told Vox. “I just wasn’t quite ready.””
Republicans shut down the investigation into Brett Kavanaugh–there were 25 witnesses who wanted to corroborate Dr. Ford’s testimony, but Republicans shut them off. And you have it exactly backwards as to which party is wanting to control all 3 branches of government. Read “Project 2025”–all 900 pages–it is the Republican’s platform, and it should scare the hell out of you.
The fact that you believe there is any equivalency between Trump and Biden gladdens MAGA media–the lies are working.! How you could even begin to believe that any politician out there is as dirty, arrogant and deceitful as Trump is truly stunning. Did you hear him brag that Joan Rivers voted for him? She died in 2014. The election was in 2016–did she vote via a seance, or is this just another Trump lie?
It must be nice to live in an alternate reality.
Another “delusional Democrat” barking like Pavlovs dog.
Gigi, I for one really want to thank you.
Not for your comments, which are absurd,
but for taking a couple days off from posting recently.
+100
I also noticed that “George” took the same time off…
Coincidence???
Yes, Trump has been convicted by a manhattan jury of 34 felonies in a sham trial for non-crimes. The left
And The left has been convicted by the public for Lawfare which is one of many reasons that Democrats are losing the election.
People know who you are – you have told us all. You have had 4 years. This election is NOT about Biden.
It is about YOU – the left.
YOU are responsible for getting 4 more years of Trump.
While Biden – or actually the children running the Biden administration ber some responsibility for the mess you have made,
Alot of it belongs to the entire democratic party.
You have Failed, and you have failed the country.
While it is nonsense to claim that 50+% of the country is racist, sexist, homophobic, hateful, hating haters.
Lets assume they are – THEY are the majority – YOU are not. THEY have let you get away with lunacy for a long time.
Now thy are not.
In a perfect world might they pick someone other than Trump ? Absolutely But the same people would only pick Biden over the democrats that ran against him in 2020.
You should be happy that you are facing Trump in 2024. The odds are only 2:1 Trump over Biden. Pick almost any other Republican and they would be 3 or 4:1
This is starting to look like Carter in 1980 – Except that Carter was atleast a decent human being and far better a president than he is credited with.
Today Biden is merely a demented old man. But the evidence is that Joe Biden was NEVER a “good person”.
He is a plagerist, he treats women far worse than Trump. He has been selling his office for so long as he has been in office.
He has never been particularly smart. And he has failed up into the most powerful job in the world where he has thoroughtly bothed it.
As YOU note – Biden is being beaten by a convicted felon
There are only 3 choices
Voters do not buy your lawfare.
Voters do not care
Voters do not want Biden so badly they will take a convicted felon.
Of course All of the above is possible.
Even Fox admits that Biden is ahead of Trump in polls. That’s despite the billions that have been spent trying to trash Biden, support the Big Lie and defend Trump by attacking law enforcement, prosecutors, the FBI and today, the entire legal system of the State of New York.
You couldn’t be more wrong about the election—it’s about the future—not “retribution” for Trump, a pathetic coward who is scared to death of going to jail. He’s brash enough to lie on loan applications, to steal classified documents and lie about returning them, to engage in dalliances with nude models and a porn actress while little wifey is at home with the newborn, and then falsify business records to cover up payoffs. But when the piper comes to get paid, he panics. He stirs up his fans with lies like saying Biden gave an order to use deadly force— citing boilerplate language that appears in all FBI search warrants.
Voters don’t want Project 2025–a total abortion ban, chucking consumer and environmental protections, tax cuts for the wealthy that are paid for by cutting Social Security and Medicare and that will once again push up the national debt, tariffs that will drive inflation, and government employees who are required to pledge allegiance to a convicted felon who has proven himself to be incompetent. We don’t want the US pulled out of NATO or aid to Ukraine cut off, because Putin won’t stop with Ukraine. We could be looking at an all out war in Europe that we would get dragged into.
No matter how many times MAGATs like you parrot the false attacks against Biden and accuse him of being senile, you can’t undercut the fact that he turned America around from the economic and public health disasters Trump left. He’s gotten more laws passed than Trump ever could — laws that benefit everyone. The stock market has hit new highs and inflation is coming down. In your MAGA world, you have been led to believe that Americans will throw away all of the progress Biden has achieved in “retribution” for Trump getting indicted and convicted, as if this is more important to most Americans than the future of our country and our wellbeing. You are wrong. We’re not going backwards—not for Trump and his ego. If he’s bold enough to lie, falsify business records to cover up misconduct with women, steal classified documents, lie on loan applications and try to rig an election, he ought to be brave enough to face the music.
“Even Fox admits that Biden is ahead of Trump in polls.”
Another LIE from Gigi the LIAR
First, it was a single FOX POLL. Not “polls”. Biden is still behind in RCP average, 270 to Win, and up .1% (tied) at 538.
He’s not ahead in ANY poll. Remember 2016? You don’t win by “popular vote”, numbskull. Look at the Electoral counts. Biden is getting CRUSHED. Cite ONE AVERAGE OF POLLS that shows him ahead electorally. Trump leads in every swing state, and MN and VA are TIED. LMAO its a “bloodbath”.
But I have better news Gigi. Here is the time YOU said, and I quote
As to inflation that was above 8% when Trump left office, it has consistently gone down month by month, thanks to Joe Biden’s fiscal responsibility and leadership.
And here is the link, you little piece of shit LIAR.
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/08/29/raffensperger-and-meadows-testify-in-key-hearing-in-federal-court-on-georgia-allegations/comment-page-2/#comment-2318372
You’ve told so many goddam lies here you can’t even recall them all. Only go look at that link. You lied again in that very post. You said it had “consistently gone down month by month”. Another lie. That was August, and it had just gone UP in July from what it was in June. And you repeated that same lie again just a week ago. Another lie. Its still above 3%, just like it was THEN.
You’re a LYING PIECE OF SHIT
And, don’t forget “by ANY means necessary.”
So, Mr. Professor, what do We The People do about it? Wring our hands and cry out for Justice? What? These people are the faces of your precious Law. We understand the problem. We are unclear why we can’t seem to do anything about it. And, by the way, we do know how to fix it, but it involves tar, feathers, short ropes and a strong tree. We really don’t want to go there but our patience is wearing thin.
How pathetic, Turley, who says: “The Bragg case is raw political prosecution. No one seriously argues that Bragg would have brought this case against anyone other than Trump.” No one could argue that such a case COULD BE brought again anyone OTHER THAN Trump because no other politician out there is as dirty as he is–and that’s the flaw in Turley’s and MAGA media’s defense of Trump–he simply IS a bad person–a cheater, liar, braggadocious racist, misogynist and adjudicated rapist and fraudster. Turley and MAGA media cannot defend the case on the merits because the evidence is all from Trump insiders–not anyone with an agenda “out to get Trump”–but the disciples need their daily affirmation, so the problem MUST BE the NY legal system. Tursley complains that Bragg and AG James ran on “getting Trump”–WHY shouln’t they? Trump is a crook–always has been, always will be–cheats, lies, manipulates–does whatever is necessary to get what he wants or just to show off what he can get away with—e.g. “grab them by the puxxy”. That ego was offended when E. Jean Carroll teased him about trying on womens’ lingerie, so he shoved her into a dressing room and sexually assaulted her and then defamed her–over and over again, even after a substantial judgment. He lied over and over again on financial statements to qualify for larger loans on better terms–benefits entitled to be enjoyed by people who have accrued substantial collateral in their assets–so he triples the size of his apartment and lies about the value of his other assets. Trump is a pariah in New York for valid reasons–racial discrimination in housing–a case brought by HUD that Trump lies about “winning” when he actually entered into a consent decree that required that he admit the charges and make changes. He agreed to save valuable art deco pieces from the Bon Wit Teller building , but instead had them deliberately destroyed. He’s been sued thousands of times by craftsmen and material suppliers he stiffed–forcing litigation so he could compel settlement on better terms, and then bragging about what a great “dealmaker” he is. Then, there’s the Big Lie and the insurrection.
Turley can try to attack the NY legal system, Bragg and AG James and try to impute improper motives, but he really can’t defend Trump, or attack the sufficiency of the evidence. So, according to Turley, those elected to enforce the law should just ignore Trump’s crimes because prosecuting them could only be “politically motivated”? The jury got it right. Trump can now add “convicted felon” to hs disgraceful resume.
Tursley complains that Bragg and AG James ran on “getting Trump”–WHY shouln’t they?
And there is all we need to know about Gigi
How many people have been charged with Insurrection.
Was there an insurrection with no one involved?
felon: a person convicted of a felony
convicted felon: A spastic term used by idiot non savants who don’t own a dictionary
Natasha, not only is the good professor right, other normal, sane Democrats much smarter than you even think the NY case was a sham.
Former NY Gov. Cuomo says Trump’s hush money case should not have been brought forward
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/former-ny-gov-cuomo-says-trumps-hush-money-case-should-not-have-been-brought
“As a person who owns property in Manhattan I would be happier if Alvin Bragg took care of criminals who make it impossible to ride the subway or walk the streets, than spending $10 million of taxpayer money trying Donald Trump on nonsense.”
“I, as a taxpayer in this country, resent using the system for your own personal self-aggrandizement,”
“You had to twist yourself into a pretzel to figure out what the crime was, he [Bragg] doesn’t like [Trump].”
— Judge Judy Sheindlin
Remember Natasha, they are smarter than you. They see through the Stalinesque show trial this was. Anyone with a degree of common sense could see it. Except you. I dont have a college degree. But I could see it. That must make me smarter than you.
“so he shoved her into a dressing room”
I guess Gigi will claim she didn’t spew this lie months from now. No one ever said that.
In fact, Carroll testified that the lingerie dept was on a different FLOOR from the dressing room. She went into that dressing room willfully.
This is the problem with pathological liars like Gigi, they can’t resist lying.
someone who habitually and compulsively lies, often without a clear reason. Their lies can be frequent, intricate, and unnecessary, and may go beyond occasional deception. Pathological liars may also lie about minor events, tell dramatic stories, or embellish their lies with details.
Just like the 9% inflation. I’ll be posting that one later, Gigi. Gotcha.
Tom, Waters, or whatever name you’re using now–do they pay you to attack me, Dennis and others who post the truth about Trump? First you accused me of claiming inflation was 8%, when Trump was kicked out of office, now you raise it to 9%. I never said that and you know it. Why don’t you deal with the facts I posted? You can’t becauseTrump is indefensible. He’s the pathological liar, racist, misogynist, adjudicated sexual assaulter and adjudicated fraudster. He’s the convicted felon. He’s the one who took bankruptcy 6 times and then brags about being a successful businessman who can straighten out America’s finances–even though his tax cuts that benefitted the top 83% drove our national debt to record levels. Here’s her testimony:
According to reporting by CNN, Carroll said that the vibe between her and Trump was playful and that, at one point, Trump picked out a sheer gray bodysuit in the store’s lingerie department. When Trump suggested that she try it on, she said he should do it himself.
After Trump gestured that she enter a dressing room with him, she did so, which she now regrets.
“I didn’t picture anything about what was about to happen,” Carroll said. “That open door has plagued me for years because I just walked into it, walked in.”
Alone in the dressing room together, Carroll alleges that Trump shoved her against the wall and proceeded to insert his fingers inside of her vagina, and then his penis, which led to injury.
According to Carroll, she got away from Trump by putting her knee up and pushing him off of her. “
Carroll appeared on the cover of New York Magazine in 2019, wearing the dress she claimed Trump allegedly assaulted her. After changing the date several times, could not remember the day, she declared it happened in 1994.
The dress was not made in 1994.
Carroll has a credibility issue.
And…I’m sure all of that was brought out at trial, but Trump lost anyway.
And . . . as we all know, it was a slanted and biased trial.
Except you. You are not very bright.
Do you know what it means to “strip a defendant of his defenses”?
That’s what these Marxist commie judges are doing. Fair trial my ass.
From your own paste
“That open door has plagued me for years because I just walked into it, walked in.”—E Jean Carroll’s version
so he shoved her into a dressing room —Pathetic pathological liar Gigi’s version
I reject E Jean Carroll’s reality and substitute my own—-Gigi the Pathological LIAR
Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
LIAR
So how is that shoving her into the dressing room, you goddam pathetic lying bltch?
She said she thought the dressing room tale would make an amusing anecdote when she agreed to go in there.
LIAR
^Gigi ‘liking’ her own comments again.
First you accused me of claiming inflation was 8%, when Trump was kicked out of office, now you raise it to 9%. I never said that and you know it.
You’re right, Gigi, it was “above 8%”. THAT’s what you said.
If you can’t keep your lies straight, how do you expect me to?
As to inflation that was above 8% when Trump left office, it has consistently gone down month by month, thanks to Joe Biden’s fiscal responsibility and leadership.
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/08/29/raffensperger-and-meadows-testify-in-key-hearing-in-federal-court-on-georgia-allegations/comment-page-2/#comment-2318372
LYING PIECE OF SHIT
And here is the link, you little piece of shit LIAR.
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/08/29/raffensperger-and-meadows-testify-in-key-hearing-in-federal-court-on-georgia-allegations/comment-page-2/#comment-2318372
You’ve told so many goddam lies here you can’t even recall them all. Only go look at that link. You lied again in that very post. You said it had “consistently gone down month by month”. Another lie. That was August, and it had just gone UP in July from what it was in June. And you repeated that same lie again just a week ago. Another lie. Its still above 3%, just like it was THEN.
You’re a LYING PIECE OF SHIT
Gigi says: “…no other politician out there is as dirty”…..LOL really?
Gigi wants to talk about dirty politicians? Look no further than Joe Biden. He’s been cashing in for 50 years.
There is no career politician dirtier (or lazier, or sloppier) than Joe Biden and his Crime Family.
All you Trump haters are DERANGED.
Truly deranged, brainwashed, lied to, propagandized, & mentally ill.
You have been so lied to, for YEARS now, that you TDS lunatics have NO idea what is going on.
You are totally uninformed, DISinformed, and MISinformed by State-controlled Fake News Media.
You are all living in upside-down clown world. Just pathetic.
Why don’t some of those mainstream fake news journalists do a deep dive poking around into Joe Biden’s messy and highly suspicious personal finances? And then report on their findings?
That’s rhetorical question, of course.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13547165/Joe-Jill-Biden-Wilmington-Delaware-home-refinance-mortgage.html
WHERE is the proof that Joe Biden has been “cashing in”–who benefitted? Where’s the proof of a “quid pro quo”? Republicans in Congress have tried for years now to prove what you claim–but there’s NO proof. Does that stop the lying? Does that stop Mark Levin from claiming there’s a “Biden Crime Family”? All of this is a deflection away from the truth about Trump and his unfitness for office–paid for by people like the Koch Brothers who don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes and who want deregulation so they can do as they please. You want to talk about deranged–how about people who tune into MAGA media and believe one lie after another, including doctored videos, the absurd claim that the economy is on the brink of collapse despite proof that the economy is growing, the stock markets keep setting records, unemployment is at a 50 year low, and the GDP is growing–and all of the other daily lies? It’s not “delusional” that Trump has been sued for cheating people thousands of times. It’s not “delusional” that he cheated on loan applications and financing statements to an extent that the judge called “shocking to the conscience”. It’s not “delusional” to believe that Trump sexually assaults women–he’s on tape bragging about doing it. The Fake News Media are the MAGA media–they’re not “news media” at all–all they do all day long is attack Biden and Democrats. It’s not “delusional” that Trump LOST in 2020–it’s been proven, over and over again–recount after recount, audit after audit–but you MAGATs still believe Trump over all the reports and audits. It’s not “delusional” that Trump asked Brad Raffensberger to “find” 11,780 votes, “which is one more than we have”.
“WHERE is the proof that Joe Biden has been “cashing in”–who benefitted? Where’s the proof of a “quid pro quo”?”
Well, maybe some of those fake news “journalists” can do a little digging and let us know what they find. Where is the Trump-deranged “Worse than Watergate!” investigative journalist and CNN commentator, Carl Bernstein? Any interest in probing Biden’s corruption? Nah. Of course not.
Tell us, did Hunter Biden “pay his fair share of taxes”? Did Hunter pay ANY taxes on the $20million plus bribes the Biden’s raked in from the Chinese Communists? Nah, of course not. Not until he was caught. Was he prosecuted? Put in jail? Nah, of course not.
Did you see where Snopes finally declared it a lie, a hoax, that Trump said the neo-nazi’s were “fine people” in Charlottesville? That is the lie on which Joe Biden launched his presidential campaign. A lie that Biden has repeated thousands of times with zero fact check, correction, or push back from the complicit fake news supplicant media. Why has it taken the Fake News Fact Checkers almost SEVEN YEARS to finally call it out the “Fine people hoax” as a blatant LIE?
How about Russia Russia Russia collusion lies that went on for YEARS in order to destroy Trump’s presidency?
Fake news Jake Tapper was one of the BIGGEST spreaders of the Russian Collusion Hoax. He knew it was a lie. But that doesn’t stop the Fake News.
Joe Biden is a pathological liar, a plagiarist, a fabulist, a corrupt, entitled, and stupid politician — and an all around nasty POS human being who is now intentionally provoking Russia and WW3.
The World knows what an incompetent mess Joe Biden’s entire freak show administration is.
Why don’t you? Try to keep up.
Who pays you to come here and look like a total tool, is the question, GIGI or natasha, or whatever name you are going by
You have zero shame.
And here is the link, you little piece of shit LIAR.
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/08/29/raffensperger-and-meadows-testify-in-key-hearing-in-federal-court-on-georgia-allegations/comment-page-2/#comment-2318372
You’ve told so many goddam lies here you can’t even recall them all. Only go look at that link. You lied again in that very post. You said it had “consistently gone down month by month”. Another lie. That was August, and it had just gone UP in July from what it was in June. And you repeated that same lie again just a week ago. Another lie. Its still above 3%, just like it was THEN.
You’re a LYING PIECE OF SHIT
Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
LIAR
I don’t think you can put “paid” to a trial until all appeals have been used up. As the saying goes “it ain’t over till the fat lady sings”
@GadSaad
Me: Why do you hate Trump?
Progressive: He is a threat to democracy.
Me: How?
Progressive: He has yet to relinquish power.
Me: Really? He’s still occupying the White House?
Progressive: No, but he’s not conceded.
Me: Has Hillary not repeatedly stated that Trump was an illegitimate president?
Progressive: Well yes, but she said the word “conceded.”
Me: What else do you not like about him?
Progressive: He is an existential threat.
Me: How? He was president for four years and it turned out ok.
Progressive: Yes, but it’s in the second term that he’ll show his Hitlerian colors.
Me: What else?
Progressive: He is not fit to be president. He is crazy.
Me: Is Biden fit to be president in terms of his cognitive acuity?
Progressive: It’s impossible to converse with you! You are a right-wing extremist!
Why do people find Trump repulsive? Because he’s all ego–all show–all bluster–and a total failure, proven by the first term in office that he had to cheat to get with the help of Russian hackers who spread lies about Hillary Clinton. He drove our national debt to a record level with his tax cuts that benefitted the top 83%, along with his tariffs that drove up the costs of goods and caused a shortage of consumer goods–and the tax cut was the ONLY legislation he could manage to get passed. He brags about overturning Roe v. Wade with his Federalist Society judges who lied about their position on Roe v. Wade to get onto the SCOTUS. He proposes even more tariffs which all economists predict will cause inflation to go out of control by further driving up the cost of goods–this will mostly affect working and middle-class people. He lied about COVID, deliberately, because he has no leadership abilities, because he didn’t know what to do and his narcissism prevents him from deferring to others with more expertise. He embarrassed the United States–the rest of the world see him for what he is–a fat, liar, braggadocious phony–they make fun of him and his bragging about love letters with murderous dictators like Kim Jong Un and Putin–Baby Trump balloons and Trump on the Toilet balloons. He left Biden with a mess–COVID out of control, the US with disproportionately higher numbers of deaths and infections compared to other developed countries, refrigerated trucks at hospitals to hold corpses, charity food give-away lines, high unemployment, schools, businesses, restaurants closed down and no leisure travel. This is the reality of how things were when Trump was put out of office. School kids still haven’t completely caught up. He didn’t keep promises, either–Mexico didn’t pay to build the wall and manufacturng didn’t return to the US, factories he claimed would open did not, including one in Wisconsin that Trump claimed would be “the 8th wonder of the world”. Did you MAGATs forget all of this–all of which are true? Biden has reversed the mess left by Trump.
Trump’s deficient “cognitive ability” is demonstrable– where to begin? Said Joan Rivers, who died in 2014 voted for him in 2016; talks about getting electrocuted in a sinking boat or getting attacked by sharks, calls Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, “Tim Apple”; talks about the “late great Hannibal Lector”, brags about acing a cognitive test given by “Ronny Johnson” (it was Dr. Ronny Jackson); said Nikki Hailey turned down 10,000 people for Capitol security on Jan. 6th, claims he beat “Obama” in 2016; mixed up Sioux Falls and Sioux City…the list goes on and on and on. Then, there’s kidnapping children of migrants, bragging about assaulting women, the fact that he is a criminal, adjudicated rapist and adjudicated fraudster who can’t stop lying about losing in 2020. Worst of all is Project 2025–a government dedicated to feeding the narcissism of Donald J. Trump, dismantling consumer and environmental protections, taking away personal freedoms, like contraception, IVF and no abortions. It’s truly scary and un-American.
No, things didn’t “turn out OK” at all when Trump faked being President.
See above, as Gigi spends 1245 words to simply say she is a kunt.
here is the link, you little piece of shit LIAR.
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/08/29/raffensperger-and-meadows-testify-in-key-hearing-in-federal-court-on-georgia-allegations/comment-page-2/#comment-2318372
You’ve told so many goddam lies here you can’t even recall them all. Only go look at that link. You lied again in that very post. You said it had “consistently gone down month by month”. Another lie. That was August, and it had just gone UP in July from what it was in June. And you repeated that same lie again just a week ago. Another lie. Its still above 3%, just like it was THEN.
You’re a LYING PIECE OF SHIT
No, things didn’t “turn out OK” at all when Trump faked being President.
I reject your reality and substitute my own—Gigi the LIAR
Trump speaks to the public – without a telleprompter for hours most everyday.
While MANY of your claims are false or out of context – the fact is he misstates inconsequential things now and then.
Biden can not speak for a full minute without screwing up.
You have all the time in the world to verify what you post here – and yet you CONSTANTLY make serious mistatemets (lies) and errors.
Are you cognatively deficient ?
Trump has gone from losing the popular vote by 6.5M in 2020, to being ahead by the same amount today.
Trump has gone from 20pts down to Biden in 2021, to ahead almost everywhere.
In 2024, NY is in play, NJ is in play, VA is in play, MN is in play, NH i in play. Even Deep blue states appear to be only power blue in this election.
Has Trump been this successful because he is a cognatively impared moron ?
You have throw everything you have at him. You have indicted him, Tried him in civil and criminal court – even convicted him in what you will not admit was a sham trial,
AND STILL Trump is ahead.
Is Biden really so bad that half the country will take nearly anyone but Biden again ? Yes,
But Trump successfully won th GOP nod – despite the fact that really good people ran against him and that the establishment republicans really wanted him to fail.
Trump has succeeded in residential real estate, Comercial real estate Global Real Estate, Gambiling and Casinos, Beauty pagents, Reality TV, Golf, Hospitality and politics.
Winning the presidency first time out of the gate.
You can get lucky once. Success is almost always an indicator of high intelligence – it is the strongest correlation in social science. Multiple successes do NOT happen by luck
Biden is not demented because he mistates on occasion. He is demented because he pretty much NEVER knows what is going on.
Which do you think are Biden’s most popular policies with the voters?
Weaponizing the justice system to jail his political enemies?
Putting praying grandmas in prison for YEARS? But letting VIOLENT leftist thugs go free?
More wars?
Reckless spending?
Out of control inflation?
Out of control crime?
Border invasion?
Raging jew-hatred anti-Semitism on college campuses?
Registering illegal aliens to vote and making it illegal to require Proof of Citizenship in order to vote in our elections?
How about Biden’s debt forgiveness program?
The Supreme Court told Biden he had no authority to do it.
But Biden went on to saddle working class Americans with half-a-trillion dollars in other people’s college debt anyway — even bragging “they (the Supreme Court) won’t stop me!”
Yes, everything was better under Trump –for everyone.
Biden’s policies are popular with the people? Nope. Not one little bit.
Biden’s policies are awful. Biden is despised. So is his wife, the DOCTOR.
That’s why Democrats need to cheat and try to steal yet another election.
Tax cuts that benefited the top 83%
So all taxpayers, not just the rich
Half the debt was covid related passed by the democrat house
Gigi,
You say that no other politician is as dirty as Trump – but you FAILED to make that case.
Even if Trump was actually guilty of the charges – they are nothing. They are the equivalent of misclassifying an expense on your taxes – while Still paying your taxes correctly.
Even as Charged the crime is calling an indirect payment to Daniels a legal expense or a retainer or a reimbursement rather than ….. What ?
There is no FASB code for “hush money” – NDA’s are legal, Paying for them is legal, Calling them legal expenses is perfectly fine.
That is atleast part of why no one case about this.
Rather than prove Trump is a crook, you have proven that you were able to “get Trump” for something most of us have little doubt you could “get anyone” for.
You have ranted for almost a decade that Trump sold out the country to Russia – yet it is during the Clinton Administration that Putin invaded Checknya.
It si during the Bush administration that Putin invaded Georgia, it is during the Obama administration that Putin invaded Crimea, and during the Biden administration that Putin invaded Ukraine.
There was war in the mideast during Bush, During Obama – despite promises to end it all, and there is again war all over the mideast under Biden.
No new Wars under Trump and the old ones were wound down.
What is it that Putin got from Trump ?
Europe would be in deep $hit right now regarding energy – except that Trump guaranteed European Natural Gas and got out of the way of creating the infrastructure to deliver – something that takes 3 years minimum. When Biden found himself having inadvertently started a war in the emideast – the US was able to ramp up energy – LNG shipments to Europe to replace everything Russia shutdown. Europe would have stayed out of this and Ukraine would have been overrun but for Trump.
Regardless it is the Bidens who are getting paid off by every country Joe has ever visited. It is the Biden’s collecting Diamonds and sports cars from oligarchs everywhere – including Russia not Trump.
Neither Trump nor his children have million dollar a year crack, coke alcohol and prostitute habits. Neither Trump nor any of his children talked their relatives into a crack addction.
Neither Trump nor any of his children have slept with their brothers widow. Neither Trump nor any of his children have grandhildren or Children they refuse to acknowedge.
Neither Trump nor any of his children are profiting off of lobbying the US government for foreign countries.
I can go on and on and on.
Most people do not beleive you, the media, the left, or Democrats anymore. And that is why you are losing to an alleged felon.
It’s Bonwit Teller, Nit Wit
Turley, not that I don’t love your overly dramatic ways that you air your grudges and throw temper tantrums in the trump legal realm. I mean, you’re supposedly the most presentable trump attack dog lawyer at fox and all…
But it’s just staggeringly hilarious that, even if NY law is a bit convoluted on what trump was found guilty both in the civil and criminal realm in NY, the fact is those are the laws in that state and people are found guilty of those violations all the time there. It’s not just trump who has found themselves in the same boat in NY.
Better yet, trump is from there and the fact he wasn’t on top of this reality proves how catastrophically short sighted he was. Not a great strategy for someone seeking to top his disastrous term in the oval office.
Can’t we just put trump in charge of the National Enquirer? Manipulating tabloid journalism is what he’s actually good at. With real estate he started off with discrimination violations, went bankrupt a bunch of times and then wound up essentially banned from NY on systemic mortgage and insurance fraud after all.
ZERO Convictions in Manhattan of FBR1 alone.
ZERO
Except for Trump
Is this going to be your MO today, bug? No silly 8 posts, replying to yourself with dad jokes?
People are convicted of falsifying business records in NY (and everywhere) all the time. The fact they don’t pyramid it into election interference while running for president is what makes trump bear all special.
Love your struggle with reality.
Also love your obsession with me. Haven’t posted here in a couple weeks. Been busy at work. So bite me, despicable troll…
On second thought, my guess is you’re sexually cannibalistic…, so never mind.
Funny I knew it was you, troll. You’re also a liar. You admitted posting here last week. Said the same thing then.
Its always about sex with you, isn’t it? I wish you’d get over it. As trump would say, “you’re not my type”.
AS I said, ZERO convictions of FBR1 in Manhattan SANS another charge and conviction. They ALL pyramid into something, dum dum. Thats what makes it FBR1. Are you taking lessons from George?
Reality. Eat it.
Didn’t admit it. Didn’t do it.
Hey, Turley is a trump attack dog. And you’re an attack dog for Turley…
That touches into Norm Macdonalds favorite theme. Assistant crack whore. LOL
https://youtu.be/hWSambXwYGM?si=qPigaa_MW-3Fp9V8
And it’s just so awesome that when I reference ‘sexual cannibalism’ you respond with “you’re not my type”.
You’re awesome cap. Desperate and despicable. In an awesome way.
Mad cuz he was outed^^^^
See, turd magat tommy, your major malfunction is that you project your fever dreams on to anyone who sees things differently than you. Outed for what? And why should I gaf about whatever you think I’m outed from??? On a side note, I love it when you lose discussions and try to back out with lame clichés. Nice to see you’re practicing though. Get used to it.
Mad because he was outed^^^^
Notice he replied to his own post again. Coocoo for cocoa puffs this one
Been busy at work. So bite me, despicable troll…
Bug hates it when he is outed. He gets quite angry. “busy at work”, writing eight clever little replies to his own set up posts. Its no wonder you struggle to gain employment “writing for TV”. Do you try these quips out here before you submit them to Colbert, is that the gig?
^^^Obsessivwly stalking troll^^^
Mad cuz he was outed^^^^
I LOVE it!
It took me 20 seconds to find Svelaz-George’s source for his lie
With regards to the unprecedented nature of this specific high-profile case, McQuade said, “It is true that no case precisely like this one has been brought before, but that is likely because no one has been caught committing this precise crime before. Moreover, according to Norm Eisen, in his book, Trying Trump, Chapter 8, the charge of falsifying business records has been brought by the Manhattan DA 755 times since 2020, with three involving campaign finance violations.”
This is what passes for “research” by Svelaz
This is Newsweek quoting MSNBC “legal analyst” Barbara McQuade, quoting sycophant Norm Eisen.
So when Svelaz puked that up here, it was 5th hand information, unless we assume that Eisen just made it up, then it’s 4th hand. 4th hand information from a book that is on the Fiction aisle at Barnes and Noble.
And all the 755 number proves, since it was a handful of defendants, is that Bragg loves to stack counts upon counts. Nothing to see here.
No wonder Svelaz was too embarrassed to cite it.
LOL!!!
Now you know I wasn’t making it up. You didn’t want an article. Yon made that clear. So I gave you a different source so you could infer whatever you wanted.
Waters, you’re hilarious.
Like I said, you can tell when Svelaz has exhausted even his cockroach-like scurrying.
He starts the reply with “LOL!!” Always with 2 exclamation points, in fact.
Yes, you did make it up. It’s fiction.
If I write a song titled, 5th hand news, any chance I will need pay royalties to Fleet Mac?
Pathetic, bro. Seriously.
By the way. How many convictions for FBR1 in Manhattan in the last 4 years, without a conviction of the underlying crime?
Let me save you one of your pathetic google searches. NONE
Lets say Biden wins. Now consider… Who in the Cabinet and White House will stay?
Does it matter? He won’t remember their names.
Joe is looking for little girls in the White House cabinets.
You can bet his grown grandkids will staying, still “jumping in bed” with Joe.
Will Joe stay or leave? He will need someone to guide him, either way.
Will DHS Secretary “Obadee, obadah” be staying? Joe will probably want to replace him with someone named “Smith”
Joe learned his lesson about picking people with 3 syllable names. It will be different this time.
See bug, isn’t that cute? Anyone can do it.
Cute ????
Maybe cute, but not witty.
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed.
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed.
ahhh, fond memories of the 8th grade…thanks for that.
And yet you think your Alito flag “jokes” were witty….
While you were sleeping, dum dum, we’ve been engaged in a battle of wits for months.
You’re just too dimwitted to know it.
My bad, I thought you were trying. You seem to get awfully worked up.
If you weren’t trying, that explains a lot.
All the freaks will stay.
All the Marxist Leftists will stay.
All the Commie revolutionaries will stay.
All the pedos will stay.
All the criminals, liars & psychopaths will stay.
Biden’s destruction of this great country brought to you by: DemonKKKrats.
Aided and abetted by all the oh-so-principled RINOS.
As RFK has said, The democrats aren’t trying to hide their corruption anymore. That’s a paraphrase…
Locusts are destroying the wheat. When nothing is left to feed on, they’ll fly off leaving stubble.
Dear Mr. Turley, I for one, wondered what the Democrats had hoped to accomplish with the relentless media overdrive of spewing lies about Mr. Trump, during his first term? If they had left him alone, and had he won a second term, the show would be over just about now. And they could have moved on to someone else. Instead, in their headlong rush to attack him in every way possible, the Democrats and their media allies, thought they could do him in. Two bogus impeachments, a felony conviction, and many other indictments later, we have Mr. Trump beating Mr. Biden all over the country. His rallies attract 1000’s of people from all walks of life. Mr. Trump is not afraid to take his message of “America First” into the bluest of blue states. People are responding to it. I’m glad for it. Mr. Biden is simply, “an old man with a failing memory”. We have all witnessed this in our own families. At first it shocks us to see our once vibrant parents unable to care for themselves. Then, we come to grips with the magnitude of their failing health and work with other family members to keep them safe. This is what we are witnessing with Mr. Biden. I hope for the best for Mr. Biden; however, he is simply fading right before our eyes.
Wake up! Joe Biden is not “simply an old man with a failing memory”!!!
Biden deserves NO sympathy, NO compassion. None.
That’s their play: the sympathy card.
Joe Biden is a nasty, despicable, evil (yes, evil), corrupt, lying sellout, and all around horrible human being.
Biden always was nasty POS, always will be.
Joe Biden belongs behind bars.
Just stop with the dementia sympathy crap.
His own family and his equally despicable wife, the DOCTOR, are pushing him to do this.
NO SYMPATHY for the DEVIL named Biden.
Svelaz-George the Pathological Liar
Turley is intentionally mischaracterizing NY law. He has to. Because he is required to argue in defense of Trump due to his Fox News contract.
Cite your source for this lie. A link to the contract would be fine.
Dear Prof Turley,
If you can make-up law in New York city, you make it up anywhere. It wouldn’t surprise me if Bragg has a large, framed print of ‘View From 9th Ave.’ hanging above his desk. I know my brother still does. .. he thinks everyone west of the Jersey mud flats is a Qnon Shaman MAGA hat Trumper gone mad (including me!).
I do appreciate your continued attention to the finer points of legal detail, notwithstanding CNN’s legal ankle biters. But this is already ancient history.
The great debate is Thursday, and the contestants are allegedly only allowed ‘pen, paper, water’.. . and a clean slate.
*which is more than they afford other convicted felons and unindicted co-conspirators.
OT, but related to how far Democrats are willing to go to “Get Trump!”
” No, then-President Donald Trump did not call neo-Nazis and white supremacists “very fine people” in 2017. Speaking about a deadly protest in Charlottesville, Virginia, he said those groups should be “condemned totally.” https://t.co/AHjw0mwl3i pic.twitter.com/TtCH1BzZja
— snopes.com (@snopes) June 20, 2024
“While Trump did say that there were ‘very fine people on both sides,’ he also specifically noted that he was not talking about neo-Nazis and White supremacists and said they should be ‘condemned totally.’ Therefore, we have rated this claim ‘False,”
— snopes
Only 7 years later.
Just remember. They said that the pee tape was real and the laptop was fake. If that doesn’t convince you that they will do anything to stay in power I don’t know what will. However, there may be hope when even Chris Cuomo says that the charges against Trump would never have been brought if his name wasn’t Trump. Don’t you understand? We have to take away the peoples right to a fair trial and free speech in order to save Democracy. How Orwellian does it have to get to awaken the woke?
TiT,
Amazing is it not? They claim they are trying to save democracy while they destroy it. Anything to stay in power.
Also known as: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves
JAFO,
HA! Thank you for the laugh!
The pee tape IS real and the laptop IS fake!!
LOL
In the land that time forgot, lawyers make for a nice tasty meal.
I am pretty sick of hearing it. Lawyers braying back and forth while election rigging has gone national. You either stop it or accept it. So far corruption is king. To use a chess metaphor, “I will take your plastic queen and stab you in the eye with it.”
The FEC fined Hillary Clinton in 2022 for submitting reports labeling money she spent on the Steele Dossier as “Legal Services.” This was the the “unlawful means” by which she conspired with Marc Elias to prevent the election of Trump, in violation of New York Election Law. Because a political campaign is an enterprise under New York Penal Law, this means that Hillary falsified business records in the first degree. The Kings County DA must prosecute, bc campaign HQ was in Brooklyn.
DoubleDutch said: “a jury of one’s peers simply means a jury consisting of fellow citizens.”
That would seem to be the only way it can work. The right to trial by jury is rooted in the British legal system, beginning with the Magna Carta. The historical meaning of “peer” in that context was “of equal class or standing”. Since the U. S. was founded as a nominally classless society, the word here would be equivalent to “citizen”. In practical terms, it also seems to me that if “peer” in the context of jury selection was to be more minutely defined, at will, there would be a risk of endless debate during jury selection about whether or not a juror was truly a “peer” of the defendant. Imagine, if you will, the trial of an accused on child molestation charges whose attorney potentially has the latitude to insist that some of the jurors be pedophiles.
Hi DD. When this was first used in the US I always imagined a “jury of one’s peers” meant a jury that was made up of the defendant’s community. They did business with him, they knew his reputation.
Communities were small back then. A fair jury knew all the witnesses and their reputation, too.
I agree, and I thought about that aspect of the question before replying. It raises the question of how you could recast the original meaning into today’s world without introducing so much distortion as to render the concept meaningless, or contradict it entirely. I don’t think you can. Absent addressing the issue with an amendment, “fellow citizen” seems to be the best we can do.
Actually, the example needed work: as stated, it seemed to pre-suppose a guilty verdict at the time of jury selection. The hypothesis could better include a defendant who had a previous molestation conviction. Nevertheless, the principle remains.
America’s very first Stalinesque show trial courtesy of the Democratic party and their ever-supportive mouthpiece the mainstream media. Defendant’s right be damned (unless of course you’re a Biden).