Former J6 Committee Co-Chair and Rep. Liz Cheney has long been criticized for her role in creating a one-sided and at times erroneous record of what occurred on January 6th. That includes editing out Trump’s call for supporters to protest “peacefully,” burying evidence on Trump’s offer to supply National Guard support for that day, and highlighting a false account of Trump in his presidential limo that was directly contradicted by witnesses.
She now stands accused of unethically contacting a key represented witness to get her to change her testimony. In my view, ethical proceedings are unlikely after the disclosure of ex parte communications with former Trump aide Cassidy Hutchinson. However, the evidence seemingly contradicts public accounts of how Hutchinson decided to fire her counsel and change her testimony.
Hutchinson was represented by Stefan Passantino, who some clearly viewed as a stumbling block to getting Hutchinson to turn against Trump. Hutchinson would claim under oath that Passantino pressured her to stay “loyal” to Donald Trump and coached her responses to support Trump despite her conflicting accounts.
However, newly disclosed evidence allegedly contradicts that account, including Hutchinson telling former Trump aide (and now The View co-host) Alyssa Farah Griffin that “[Passantino’s] not against me complying.” Griffin reportedly responded “I actually agree with Stefan’s approach and think it’s accomplished everyone’s goals. I am happy to tip liz off.”
Hutchinson would later dump Passantino and testify to allegations that have been challenged as untrue. That includes the limo allegation that was repeatedly raised by Cheney and others. Hutchinson recounted the story that Trump allegedly grabbed the wheel of the vehicle after the Secret Service allegedly refused to take him to the Capitol.
Cheney and the Committee were aware that the account was directly and clearly refuted by the driver of the vehicle. However, they buried his account and highlighted that claim in its final report as being credible.
The new allegation concerns the communications leading up to that changed testimony. Rep. Barry Loudermilk, R-Ga., chairman of the House Administration oversight subcommittee has released the new evidence while alleging that Cheney used an encrypted phone app to evade defense counsel in speaking with Hutchinson.
Under Rule 4.2 of the Rules of Professional Conduct, “a lawyer shall not communicate or cause another to communicate about the subject of the representation with a person known to be represented by another lawyer in the matter, unless the lawyer has the prior consent of the lawyer representing such other person or is authorized by law or a court order to do so.”
Cheney is a D.C. licensed lawyer.
At the outset, in my view, Cheney was acting as a member of Congress in this matter. That has always been a rather grey area for lawyers who are also members of Congress. The bar has taken a broad view of the need for lawyers to adhere to these ethical standards. However, it is not clear politically or ethically if the Bar officials would be inclined to pursue Cheney, who has been lionized in Washington for her role in the investigation.
Yet, the record does indicate that Cheney was not just aware of the represented status but the policy of the House to respect the rules governing represented parties. In one message Griffin tells Hutchinson, “Her one concern was so long ad [sic] you have counsel, she can’t really ethically talk to you without him.”
That did not appear to prove a barrier. Before Passantino withdrew as counsel, Cheney communicated secretly with Hutchinson. A later message was sent to Cheney reading on June 6, “Hi, this is Cassidy Hutchinson. I’m sorry for reaching out this way, but I was hoping to have a private conversation with you (soon), if you are willing.”
Cheney responded, “I would be happy to. Let me know what time works for you.”
A few days later, Hutchinson fired Passantino, who told Just the News that “I absolutely had no knowledge at the time that Congresswoman Liz Cheney was communicating with my client behind my back – either directly, through her staff, or through cutouts.”
However, Cheney has claimed that it was Hutchinson who reached out to her and indicated that she was severing her counsel. As an investigating member of Congress, she had an institutional interest, if not a duty, to pursue witnesses.
In her memoir, Cheney said that it was Hutchinson who contacted her directly after her third interview and added “I was very sympathetic to her situation, but I did not want our committee to be advising her on what she should do next…I told Cassidy that she could consult another lawyer, and seek his or her independent advice on how best to move forward.”
We have previously discussed Passantino’s defamation lawsuit against MSNBC legal analyst and former Mueller aide Andrew Weissmann.
Once again, I am doubtful that this would rise to a formal Bar ethics investigation. However, the evidence shows the communications leading to Hutchinson’s firing of her counsel and changing of her testimony, including accounts later challenged by critics.
Hutchinson, Griffin, and Cheney have been reportedly campaigning together this month in support of Vice President Kamala Harris.
In the end, there are ethical concerns raised by these communications. Cheney should have worked through new counsel and proposing alternative counsel raises additional concerns given the interest of Cheney in having the witness “flip” against Trump. She could have waited for new counsel to communicate with her and the Committee.
Alternatively, Hutchinson could have fired her counsel and formally contacted the Committee as an unrepresented party. The ethical rules are designed to avoid this type of murky representational posture. Nevertheless, I am doubtful that this will result in any ethical proceedings against Cheney.
Just another swamp-dweller who chose the professional political class over her constituents. There is no need to bring this harpy back into the public eye.
You got that right!
The cult leader, DJT, told everyone to get out and vote
“If everything works out, if everybody gets out and votes on January 5th…”
I will certainly do that. Thanks demented Don.
ATS – not that it matters – people make small errors like that all the time.
But YOU have no credibility.
So Why are we to beleive you when you make a claim like this ?
When and where did Trump allegedly get the month wrong ?
Do you have video ?
The full context ?
Regardless, Trump is capable of articulating complex matters using 7th grade english without a telepromproter
for hours at a time and does so every single day.
Yesterday at the Chicago Economic Club he eviscerated the editor in cheif of Bloomberg over his feeble attempts to challenge Trump’s economic platform. Most of he thousands of economists and businessmen present cheered him on has he dismembered
the bad economics of Bloomberg.
Harris does not have an economic – or any other platform – beyond trust me I have unicorns and fairies to do my bidding,
And magically it will all work out and we will be happy.
“So Why are we to beleive you when you make a claim like this ?”
It’s a small easily confirmed quote. He said it. So what do you mean by “are we to believe you”?
“Regardless, Trump is capable of articulating complex matters using 7th grade english without a telepromproter
for hours at a time and does so every single day.”
You have got to be kidding me? The guy rambles for hours incoherently I loved his dance moves though, Perhaps that is how he will convince Putin to leave Ukraine, have a dance off.
trumps economic policy of tariff everything is a disaster. Trump isn’t capable of talking about anybody in anything other than 3 year old name calling. The guy clearly has dementia. You love a president with dementia, go for it.
John Say,
“Regardless, Trump is capable of articulating complex matters using 7th grade english without a telepromproter
for hours at a time and does so every single day.”
ROFL! You mean when he rambles incoherent nonsense. Trump cant keep his train of thought on the tracks after two sentences.
“Yesterday at the Chicago Economic Club he eviscerated the editor in cheif of Bloomberg over his feeble attempts to challenge Trump’s economic platform.”
Eviscerated? More like stumped and shocked at the fact that Trump was not saying anything. He was rambling nonsense and not once answered a question. His “answers” were day trips into irrelevant subjects sprinkled with gripes of the day. It was a disaster.
You can’t even mention what he proposed or what his policies will involve because he was incoherent
Liz Cheney, ha ha, ha-ha. I remember when her tyrannical warmonger father attempted to connect with the commoner going hunting. Probably where Waltznuts got his idea. Ole man Cheney goes out bird hunting no less, and winds up shooting his hunting buddy. At least Waltznuts didn’t shoot anyone on account he couldn’t figure out how to load is weapon of war.
Jonathan: Your latest hit job on Liz Cheney does not pass the smell test–let alone your claim Cheney violated Rule 4.2.
First, it’s pretty clear from the record that when Hutchinson found out her attorney, Stefan Passantino, was being paid for by DJT to influence her testimony, she reached out to Cheney. It was not the other way around. Cheney told Hutchinson she should probably seek independent legal advice. After Hutchinson fired Passantino and obtained another attorney that is when Cheney and the Committee began further interviews that ultimately led to Hutchinson’s bombshell public testimony. Nothing Cheny did violated Rule 4.2. You even admit this in your column. So why do you keep pushing a non-issue?
Second, what is really bizarre is that you start your column by falsely accusing the J.6 Committee of “burying evidence of Trump’s offer to supply National Guard support for that day”. FACT CHECK: That claim is FALSE. Former acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller and Joint Chiefs Mark Milley testified before the Committee that they never received any request to deploy either the military, the National Guard or any other law enforcement to prepare for Jan. 6. Even Keith Kellog, Pence’s former national security advisor, testified that DJT never asked for any law enforcement response.
Despite all the evidence to the contrary you are still peddling DJT’s lies–all in an effort to re-write the history of Jan. 6. You are stuck on DJT’s call for his supporters on Jan. 6 to act “peacefully”. You omit the part where he tells his supporters to “fight like hell or you won’t have a country any more!”. Revisionist history is not your strong suit!
Unlike Dennis, for whom revisionist history is a strong suit. You might say it’s his stock-in-trade.
Dennis,
As usual, you are incorrect. In fact one of the WELL DOCUMENTED REASONS that Hutchinson flipped – if you can call hearsay tall tales that are entirely irrelevant to anything “flipping”, was because she was desparately contacting Team Trump and the RNC looking for dinancial help with her legal expenses and she was advised that they could not help as it was a conflict of interests and advised her to start a “go fund me”
Which BTW was a very appropriate recomendation – because Anyone can contribute through a “go fund me” without violating conflict of interest rules, because the recipient is insulated from those allegedly trying to influence them.
So NO Trump was NOT contributing to Hutchinson or anyone else’s legal defense.
And in fact that is part of the purpose of democrat lawfare – is to bankrupt those they go after or get them to flip to reduce legal costs.
They did this with Gen. Flynn.
John Eastman has had multi-million dollar legal costs – he receives donations to cover his legal expenses, and he has won every single effort at Democratic lawfare against him – and is building the evidentiary and legal record for others. Eastman actually won against Lawfare in California – that is more impressive than Trump winning in NYS.
With respect to Cheney violating the rules – it is actually Turley’s efforts to defend her that fail.
If Cheney was NOT a lawyer – but still chairing (or just sitting on, or just house staff) on a committee conducting an investigation, she should NOT be contacting a represented witness without going through their lawyer.
The rule in question applies to lawyers, but even more so to judges, ALJ’s or those conducting an investigation.
The institutional interests Turley tries to raise are resolved by subpeona’s and/or offers of immunity for testimony.
This is even more disturbing because Cheney acted unethically, to secure Hutchinson’s hearsay testimony to actions that has been contradicted under oath by direct witnesses, and that even it True would be entirely meaningless.
Trump promised his supporters at the elipse that he would be going to the capitol. Seeking to actually go there would be consistent with those remarks. It also likely would have brought an instant end to any violence. At the same time Secret Service had no oportunity to sufficiently secure the capitol for a visit by the president. There is absolutely ZERO possibility that they would have allowed Trump to go to the capitol on J6, and if necescary would have physically manhandled him elsewhere had he tried. That is unique to the current president – SS can NOT override the wishes of any other protectee. But they are by law bound to keep the president of the United States safe whether he likes that or not.
As too Cheney – frankly I find the democrats reliance on her Delicious. The Cheney’s have been both a powerful and embarrassing force with respect to the Republican part for Decades. I think many many many conservatives are ecstatic that they are now a millstone arround Democrats necks.
If you really want to defend and celebrate Darth Vader – be my guest.
With respect to “burying evidence of Trump’s offer to supply National Guard support for that day”
YOU are completely Wrong and vastly uninformed.
Your claims regarding the testimoney of Miller andMilley are not only false but contradicted by written communications from Miller to the Sargent at Arms for the House – it is even part of the official House sargent of Arms timeline for J6.
And all of the above were known since late January 2021.
More recently however mnmountains of further EVIDENCE has been made availble – Much of it from the J6 committee records that they encrytped and destroyed in violation of house rules. But some of it from the DoD inquiry into J6 and some from a soon to be releases IG report.
Regardless, There is ZERO doubt that Trump ORDERED the NG to be available on J6 immediately on the request of the house sargent of arms. Which is the absolute most that the President is able to do. The President has ZERO authority over the capitol grounds and can not order the military or anyone to do anything at the capitol without the consent of the leaders of Congress – which Trump did not have.
Trump ORDERED the DC NG to be available on J6. That ORDER was conveyed to Sec Def, it was LOGGED By Sec Def, it was transmitted to JCS, and logged by JCS. That ORDER was then conveyed down the chain of commend to Gen. Walker heading the DC NG. All of this occured and is documented as well as testified to under oath by many many people. All of this occured days BEFORE J6.
Not only is it well Documented that Trump ORDERED the NG to be available on Pelosi’s request, but that he WANTED the NG to be there BEFORE the event to protect his people from Pelosi’s CP that Trump did not trust to start something.
Not only do we KNOW beyond any doubt that Trump ORDERED the NG to be made available on Request, But we KNOW they were fully prepared and ready sitting in a BUS at the DC Armory at 7am on J6 and sat they waitin for the order to deploy until 5PM.
Every single tiny little bit of this is now FULLY documented.
We have Testimony of various members of DoD – military and Civilian documenting Pelosi’s direct and illegal contact with them prior to J6.
Her attempts to direct them – also illegal. He rejecting the NG because of the “optics”, We have Sargent at Arms Sund begging for the DC NG repeatedly starting about 11am J6 and more insentently and desparately through the day. We have Sund’s plea finally being accepted arround 2pm, We have the request being Transmitted to DoD and we have it going down parts of the chain of command in minutes – until it STOPPED, with an Army Maj. General who sat on in for a further 2hrs while he put together an unnecescary “op plan” – the DC NG has been to the capital many times for many reasons, Walker had put together an OP Plan days before based on prior deployments. Regardless this Gen. NEVER put together an OP Plan and after delaying for 2 hrs finally relayed the order to Walker.
Again EVERY step of the process is incredibly well documented.
None of this should be surprising – the Military documents, and preserves ALL ORDERS AND COMMUNICATIONS.
I would further note that not only is an ORDER from Trump recorded at DoD several days before, but for absolutely ANY military action of any kind there MUST be a chain of orders that Starts with the President. That is how the military works. Absolutely nothing can be done by the military without an ORDER from the president. Does the President ORDER the military to replace a defective toilet at the Pentagon ? No.
But that toilet ca not be replaced without an ORDER from the president directing the military to maintain their fascilities.
Again Every single thing EVER done by the US military has Orders that can be traced back to the president – if not then the action is ILLEGAL.
It has ALWAYS been absurd to claim that Trump did not order the DC NG to the capitol, and absurd that he did not do so days ahead of time.
As noted before – they were in the Armory on the Bus waiting to go. That absolutely can not happen without orders to do so,
And all military orders in one way or another MUST originate with the president.
BTW – not only are you wrong about Miller and Milley – but ALL of what I stated above is documented by RECORDS, and TESTIMONY before the Cheney/Thompson J6 committee. You have not heard it before – because they gathered the testimony secretly, and only leaked what they wanted people to hear. Then they encrypted their records and deleted them all, and it has taken over 2 years to recover the deleted and encrypted records – either through Technological means or by finding copies that were not encrypted and deleted.
No Trump is not attempting to revise J6 history – Trump is correct. Inarguably so.
I would further note that but for the fact that you are a moron and democrat leaders know you are gullible you have KNOWN all of this in Jan 2021.
The NG can not cross a state line, and the DC NG can not do ANYTHING without a presidential order.
The mere presence of the DC NG at the capitol on J6 REQUIRES Trump to have specifically ORDERED their presence, or to have ORDERED someone else send them if and when they were needed.
Separately No Military forces can be deployed to the capitol without a request by congressional leadership. The president has absolutely no authority at all with regard to the capitol and the capitol grounds.
The appearance of the DC NG at the Capitol would have been a curt marshal offence for anyone who ordered it without orders from a superior.
That requirment goes straight through DoD, Milley., JCS an ends SOLEY with the president.
Again if you were NOT a moron – you would KNOW that Pelosi was on the Phone with the Governors of VA and MD requesting THEIR NG forces – because she did not trust the DC NG as they are under the direct control of the presiden. And those Governors both told Pelosi that they could NOT send the NG outside of their states without an ORDER from the president.
The US military does NOTHING without presidential orders.
Any ACTS that you see by the military ALWAYS mean there is an ORDER going back the chain of command to the president, or there is an act of insubordination.
But you are a guilible moron.
I would NOTE that this is NOT about Trump.
This is about YOU constantly making stupid assumptions, and being oblivious to how things ACTUALLY work.
If something bad happens – you IMMEDIATELY Assume it is Trump’s fault – without bothering to consider have government or the military actually work.
Turley is here writing about Cheney failing to follow institutional rules. He tries to make an exception for house investigations – but not only is there no such exception – but in FACT the burden is HIGHER for those in finder of fact positions rather than those in advocate positions.
A “Judge” contacting a represented witness directly is a far more egregious ethical violation than a prosecutor doing so.
Time and again – you hear Trump and you immediately throw all the rules and laws and procedures and even the laws of nature out the window and presume that Trump Must of have done something evil – even if that is physically impossible.
It is near certain that in January 2021 I made the arguments ABOVE to YOU – because AGAIN nothing happens in the military without ORDERS.
Without knowing anything else, the presence of the NG at the capitol on J6 REQUIRES two things to be true.
It REQUIRES a request from the congressional leadership to DoD, AND it requires an ORDER that must originate with the president.
Anytime you have EVER seen the NG at the capitol – BOTH of these MUST be true.
The only question regarding Trump ordering the NG to the capitol on J6 was WHEN did he do so.
There has NEVER be a question that Trump ordered the NG to the capitol.
And the answer – which many of us were aware of in Jan 2021 was several days before.
BTW you would KNOW that just from the fact that Walker was on a bus waiting to go on J6 at 7am.
What has changed in nearly 4 years ? We have the testimony and the documentation of the ORDERS at EVERY step down the chain.
Again Something that a person with half a brain would EXPECT. The military does two things WELL,
Follow orders,
And keep RECORDS, Especially of ORDERS.
Why ? Because the legality of every single thing that any officer in the military does depends on whether his actions were within he scope of his ORDERS.
That is true of the captain that directs his soldiers to take a bridge.
It is true of the Major that ordered the captain to advance accross the bridge,
It is true of the Colonel who ordered the Major to take a town
It is true of the General who ordered the Colonel to take a sector.
Dennis,
If I tell you to “Go to h311” will you please take it litterally.
Biden told people to put a Bullseye on Trump.
Every democrat politico on the planet says electing Trump is the end of democracy.
There are myriads of examples of democrats using far more “violent” rhetoric than Trump,
This is NOT whataboutism.
It is recognition of the fact that all people speak in exagerated rhetoric all the time.
We do it about politics, about sports, about business rivalries.
We do not assume because a business has told its sales force to “fight like h311” against competitors that they will break the law, much less go after them with automatic weapons.
Immediately following the words you quote, Trump told supporters to vote democrats out of office, and to primary RINO Republicans.
It is with certainty that the reckless violent rhetoric of Democrats is a significant factor in the several recent Trump assassination attempts.
But that rhetoric has not changed – it is protected free speech and democrats are trying to “fire up their base”.
Further – whether it is republica rhetoric or democrat rhetoric – the nutjobs out there will glom onto SOMETHING to justify their acts of violence. The UniBomber was driven by environmentalism. Giffords shooter by a fixation on Grammar.
Many of us have grasped that Trump was winning in 2024 for atleast 2 years. Slowly the rest of the country is coming to that understanding.
Barring some inconceivable unforeseen event a Trump victory has always been baked in.
Democrats have botched
the economy
the border,
foreign affairs.
Pretty much everything they have touched has turned to schiff.
Republicans were going to win in 2024 – with even greater likelyhood than in 2016.
To the extent that there was any question, it was only whether Trump would be the republican candidate.
he is, and he will win.
My expectation at the moment is that it is likely he will not only win in an electoral college landslide as he did in 2016,
but that he will also win the popular vote.
That is actually important – doing so reduces the scale of violence by the left.
Without a doubt there will be rioting by the left,
The only question is how much.
The larger a Trump victory the less violence there will be.
Most of us are not blaming left wing Violence on Biden or Harris or other democrats – who have persuaded large numbers of people that Trump will end democracy and send half the media and the democratic leadership to gulags.
And yes Everyday – leading democrats say things like that and gullible idiots like you beleive it.
You are no more likely to end the violent rhetoric over politics, than you are over football games.
And on rare occasions nutjobs will commit violent acts, guided by that rhetoric.
I choice Guided specifically – because they were going to act violently.
The only question was against who.
The argument that Trump is responsible for the political violence of J6 – which Democrats constantly and with ever declining credibility exagerate, has no more merit than that Biden is personally responsible for the Trump assassination attempts.
The argument for Biden’s responsibility is MORE clear – Biden rarely provides any context that would mitigate his remarks.
your argument is also Stupid – you and so many on the left seem to beleive that Trump can speak in code and thousands of supporters will take up arms and overthrow the government.
That is no what happened on J6. The George Floyd/BLM riots are much closer to that.
John Say,
Lots of words, yet still incorrect.
Simply being a lawyer is not enough to violate the rule. That rule is about conduct regarding court cases and the court. Not congressional committee hearings. Cheney was not conducting the proceedings as a lawyer but as chair. Turley noted the distinction and that it was a flimsy argument.
“This is NOT whataboutism.
It is recognition of the fact that all people speak in exagerated rhetoric all the time.”
It is precisely about whatabaoutism. You’re making assumptions and avoiding the context of what Trump’s speech implied. Everyone knew what he was implying. Even Turley condemned the speech right after it ended.
Every time you try to defend Trump, it gets worse. You distort reality about what happened on Jan 6.
More evidence will soon be made public when Judge Chutkan releases the index Trump is desperate to keep sealed.
Jonathan: Your latest hit job on Liz Cheney does not pass the smell test–let alone your claim Cheney violated Rule 4.2.
Liz Cheney is the one who did the hit job on herself, Lyin’ Dennis. Are you going to continue lying that you’re actually a lawyer – and that your analysis is right and Professor Turley’s is wrong?
While you continue peddling the Biden/Harris lies, here’s an idea for you and Gigi to do a joint effort to REALLY protest:
You and Gigi, Womb Of Lies, shack up for a night of Planned Parenthood sex. (Or did you do that two-three nights ago at that little office party you held that you posted about)?
And then after Trump is inaugurated and Cackled Harris has to go back to selling her ass to make her way in politics, you and Gigi can publicly announce you’re going to publicly celebrate having a late term abortion in Tampon Tim’s state.
You can discuss where you’re going to insert your tampon while Gigi does the Reproductive Freedom late term abortion.
You’re not too bright, are you?
That was in response to an idiotic comment. Right when I clicked “Reply” they deleted the comment and then put my response up top. Go figure?
Since the Democrats have nothing left all you’re going to hear until election day is January 6. Never mind that the 2016 election of Trump was denied as legitimate for four years by the leaders of the Democratic Party. One of the Democratic election deniers was Nancy Pelosi who is third in line to be President if something should happen to both the President and the Vice President. Now Bill Clinton in anticipation of Trumps winning the election is suggesting that the votes might not be fairly counted. The following link shows all the times that the Democrats denied that Trump was a legitimate President. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYB6N8fBKQ. It’s the only card they have left after the dismal failure of Kamala Harris to explain what she stands for.
@Thinkitthrough
And honestly, the DNC are doing the same damn thing with Kamala that they did with Hillary in 2016: trying to make her seem relatable, posting on the popular digital media of the day, going on TV shows, etc., etc. – that resulted in Hillary losing bigly. Let us pray history repeats itself. Let us win in numbers they can’t refute.
The party of ‘education’, my a**. The party of elitist ignorance and arrogance and entitlement – absolutely.
The cheneys, john bolton, soros AGs, and abortion industry – the death-for-profit cult is complete, nice work democrats.
Well not quite yet, Canada has beat them to the assisted murder by suicide racket (and I believe in Canada it’s taxpayer funded to boot).
I had to laugh when doddering old Bill Clinton tried to white wash the illegal alien invasion as being a good thing on account of we don’t have enough slave labor in the Nation to offset the demands of paying a fair wage for American workers, on account of no one is having enough babies in America.
“The last year for which the CDC reported a yearly national total for abortions is 2021. It found there were 625,978 abortions in the District of Columbia and the 46 states with available data that year, up from 597,355 in those states and D.C. in 2020. The corresponding figure for 2019 was 607,720.”
“The last year for which Guttmacher reported a yearly national total was 2020. It said there were 930,160 abortions that year in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, compared with 916,460 in 2019.”
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/25/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-us/
War is coming. It is in the air now that Democrats run the Feds.
DOD DIRECTIVE 5240.01
DOD INTELLIGENCE AND INTELLIGENCE-RELATED ACTIVITIES AND DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE COMPONENT ASSISTANCE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND OTHER CIVIL AUTHORITIES
EFFECTIVE: September 27, 2024
Reissues and Cancels: DoD Directive 5240.01, “DoD Intelligence Activities,” August 27, 2007, as amended
Purpose: This issuance:
• Implements Executive Orders (E.O.s) 12333 and 13388, and Title 50, United States Code (U.S.C.).
• Establishes policy and provides direction for DoD intelligence and intelligence-related activities.
• Assigns responsibilities and provides guidelines for Defense Intelligence Component intelligence assistance to law enforcement agencies and other civil authorities.
https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodd/524001p.PDF?ver=UpTwJ66AyyBgvy7wFyTGbA%3d%3d
KNOW THE ENEMY THAT IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU
STOP SUCCUMBING IN EVERY BATTLE
___________________________________________
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.
If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
____________________________
“The enemy is in front of us, the enemy is behind us, the enemy is to the right and to the left of us. They can’t get away this time!”
– Five-Star General Douglas MacArthur
…And just like that. Boom!
Posse Comitatus Act, what Posse Comitatus Act?
They were for the Posse Comitatus Act, before they were against it.
Remember when the leftist extremists got the vapors about President Trump discussing the use of the Insurrection Act, after the propaganda media did all it could to incite the George Floyd riots, and murders, and looting’s, and arson’s and widespread anarchy in major cities across the Nation with little to no accountability? That would be the same regime who today wets it’s pants over Trump pondering the use of the military to deport the illegal alien invasion.
And now look who it is that wants the military to use lethal force against American citizens? Oh gee, not it’s not Trump. It’s ole Uncle Joe Stalling and his side kick Kamala. This is not the National Guard their authorizing, no this is the Marines, Army, Navy and Air Force. Who knows, maybe the Space Force, Coast Guard, and the Tim Waltz Pheasant Hunting Club, and of course, the F-15’s he spoke about using against us.
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-president-gun-control-rights-f15-jet-afghanistan-pennsylvania-viral-comments-1738356
Anonymous, perhaps they are getting prepared to deal with the inevitable onslaught of illegal migrants once the Border Patrol agents walk off the job, if Harris wins.
Border Patrol agents are warning of a mass exodus from the critical federal agency if Vice President Kamala Harris wins the upcoming presidential election.
https://ticklethewire.com/border-patrol-agents-threaten-mass-exodus-if-kamala-harris-wins-election/
Well lookie here, even the Secret Service is getting in on the act:
The Secret Service released a comprehensive blueprint on Wednesday, aimed at helping local and state law enforcement agencies prevent tragedies like mass shootings, assassination attempts, and other acts of targeted violence.
https://ticklethewire.com/secret-service-unveils-blueprint-for-stopping-mass-violence/
But, but, but, what about the dangerous sloped roofs? Obviously, we’re going to have to ban sloped roofs. These high capacity roofs of war cannot be allowed to endanger our security. I mean to be clear, anyone can just go out and buy a sloped roof. I mean, look at those 2nd Amendment sloped roof cult types, they can cause all manner of mayhem using those dangerous roofs. I might have to call out the F-15’s.
What is hilarious to me about dems latching onto these ‘conservatives’ is not only are they the warmonger fools from W’s administration, but even back then we all knew W was part of the uniparty, big time. He and Obama were not that different when one removes the outer trappings and hyperbole. I thought it was ironic in the extreme when people that denounced Bush and Cheney voted for Obama with glee. These are not intelligent people, and I suspect they presume we are as stupid as they.
But hey – Obama walked on water because he was ‘blue’. 🙄 Liz made her bed, I hope she enjoys it.
Not really.
I wonder if “fishwings” holds the same criticism towards the left-wing media as he does here in his comment. It seems as though folks on the right are not allowed to make an argument or a case without the left saying just what “fishwings” said here regarding Mr. Turley “earning his paycheck”. Attention to those on the left: allow us to have our thoughts and write it in platforms such as this without your collective attacking, mocking or threatening us.
One….I do not like MSM or the “corporate press” and they are hardly left-wing when their owners and board members are all hiding their money in the Cayman Islands. And you must be new to this site because if one even dares to criticize the Dear Leader it is they who will get attacked. Two….Turley claims to be for free speech, so you and I should be free to speak out on subjects that concern us. Three….Turley has done nothing to show he is “free and balanced” since his employment by Rupert Murdoch.
Fishstick, once again, we have to remind you that the good professor also writes for other outlets like The Hill, The NY Post, USA Today. He is a tenured professor at GW University and author of a high successful book that is now on its fourth printing. Your lame assertions that the good professor is influenced by any outlet is clearly wrong.
And I’m sure his paycheck from FOX reflects just a small part of his views. Now, you would like to buy a bridge? Got a nice one in Brooklyn…….
Fishstick, the good professor has proven time and time again he is clearly an independent thinker, commenting on legal issues that arise. It is not his doing or fault there are Democrats who are conducting themselves in unethical ways. It is not his doing or fault there are Democrats calling the 1stA a threat to our country. It is not his doing or fault there are Democrats calling for Musk to be everything from arrested to deported. It is not his doing or fault there are Democrats calling for packing the court. He is merely pointing out their rage. And to a degree their crazy.
I fatfingered my login.
That ^^ was me.
@Fish
You are so boring. Every day. Enjoy your own paycheck from ActBlue or however the heck it is, I honestly don’t care. I doubt it’s worth it, ultimately. It sure isn’t influencing anyone. 🙄
Now, you would like to buy a bridge? Got a nice one in Brooklyn…….
FishDick, did you buy that bridge before or after you eagerly bought “the Russia Dossier” and “that isn’t Biden’s laptop, it’s just Russian election disinformation”?
Are you so stupid as to fail to grasp that I am sure that Bloomberg or Sorros or …. would be happy to pay Turley far more to write reflecting their views.
You are deluded to think that Turley’s writes what murdock wants – in any sense other than that Murdock wants Turley’s writing to make money for both of them, just as those whose paycheck comes from the left want their writing to increase their paychecks and that of their employer.
Right now, in this election – and most recent past elections – the left is outspending the right 2:1 – and they are still losing.
It is not an absence of money that is crushing your political views – it is your failure to persuade others.
I do not beleive your idiotic claims that Turley is some Murdock puppet – nor do I care.
What I care about is that what he writes is mostly correct.
Upstate: you begin your post with insulting FishWings by mis-stating his name and talking down to him; also, by implying that you speak for “we:–which you don’t. These are cues you get from MAGA media–Trump deliberately mis-pronounces Kamala’s name, and you MAGAs do the same thing. And MAGA media pretends that it speaks for “most” Americans–it does not because most of us voted against Trump and Republicans. If Turley’s book is “high succesful” why isn’t it on the NYT Best Sellers list? I’ve checked–it isn’t. The NY Post is a Murdoch-owed publication, and he is the counter-opinion writer for The Hill and USA Today. Turley sold his soul a long time ago and his career is headed for the toilet, which is where everyone’s career ends up who sides with Trump. Today’s little toilet piece is another example. Cassidy Hutchison made clear that the lawyer the Republicans hired for her wanted her to lie–so she fired him. He told her to say she didn’t recall–but she DID recall. Also, the story about the incident in the limo is DISPUTED–that does not make Hutchison a liar.
Upstate: you begin your post with insulting FishWings by mis-stating his name and talking down to him
Gigi, Womb Of Lies, who does nothing else than specifically come here to talk down to Professor Turley, “Magats”, et al
And gets nothing but derision and contempt in exchange. Certainly doesn’t get any other reaction.
It must be a masochist thing with Gigi.
Yeah right, only conservatives hide their money in the Caribbean.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/11/02/sam-bankman-fried-convicted-fraud/71429793007/
FW
Criticizing people is free speech.
No one here has “attacked” you.
No one has punched you, hit you with a baseball bat knifed you or shot you.
They have criticized you – and frankly deservedly so.
Nothing beyond your ego has been harmed.
you need not go to the hospital,
or get a band aid.
The only thing that has occurred is Your Free speech had drawn others to criticise you with their free speech.
That is how free speech works.
That is how freedom works.
If you are free to speech but no one can criticise – that is not free speech, that is not freedom.
This site is an excellent example of “free speech”.
You are correct – it is NOT an example of balanced speech.
Free speech and balanced speech are near polar opposites.
Freedom litterally means we are NOT required to share the same views – or to divide equally on those views.
You personally have exactly the amount of time and effort you choose to spend to convey your message.
Those who disagree have the amount of time they choose.
If you want to bask in the glow of idiots who think exactly like you – go to TPM or Daily Kos.
This site reflects the views of those who freely post here to the extent they are willing to spend time posting.
That is free speech.
If you want more left wing nut presence hre – persuade your friends at Daily Kos to come here to post.
FishWings – I do not care if you think Turley is influenced by Murdock.
What I am interested in is whether Turley is RIGHT and he usually.
If he is concurrently shilling for Murdock – which is an absurdly stupid claim, and he is still RIGHT about what he posts,
Kudos to him and Kudos to Murdock for getting the truth printed.
In reality Murdock wants Turley to post an say things that will make both of them money.
Murdocks outlets lean slightly to the right – because long ago Murdock recognized a very large unserved market on he right.
And he has gotten very wealthy as a result. Meanwhile the MSM is being obliterated – because the market for left wing swill is much smaller than they presumed and they are shocked that the majority of people do NOT want that hog slop.
Kamala is trotting out Liz and Dick Cheney as her supporters. I can remember when during the Bush Administration the left was saying that Dick Cheney was the waterboarding devil. It could be very possible that Dick and Liz will be the Republicans in her Presidential Cabinet as she has promised. At one moment despicable torturer and in the next moment her new found buddy buddy. Kamala has found it very convenient to have a very short memory. Like father like daughter.
She is on record, from the debate with Trump, as being in favor of forever wars – which is really the only thing Washington’s governing class produces. And it’s very lucrative, as evidenced by the fact that many of the wealthiest counties in the country are the DC suburbs. All that money goes in part to electing politicians like Kamala and Cheney who will keep the wars going. As the saying goes, money is the mother’s milk of politics.
OT: left-wing terrorist tears down Greek flags outside restaurant while mindlessly reciting the “genocide” canard. She thought the flags were of Israel. Nobody is accusing the Hamas-supporting young American leftists of being intelligent or well informed.
At least they had the colors right. Watch out, Finland!
And waving Confederate flags on J6 while storming the Capital was a sign of pure stupidity. And looking at video and pictures of J6 there was more Trump flags flying than American ones. Goes to show where the loyalty was on J6.
You never see American flags at your riots. Just black ones.
But muh! Trump! Wa wa wa!
Turley is earning his paycheck today by evoking rage on Liz Cheney by Turley’s own Trump base. Of course they have forgotten that Liz Cheney voted for Trump policies when she was in Congress. But the one thing that will really get their rage and hate going is that Liz Cheney respects the constitution and the rule of law, which Trump supporters do not. And for that fact Liz Cheney deserves the respect of the American people that she is willingly putting country over party, again something that Trump supporters will not.
Your delusional. You don’t care what anti-Trump people do to get rid of him. Everybody knows that Trump told people to protest peacefully, but the January 6 committee kept that out of their proceedings. Chaney’s unethical behavior in talking to a represented party without the consent of that party’s attorney is also easily forgivable by you as a means to an end.
“protest peacefully”………….”while the attack was happening, he was handed a note. the note said…a civilian had been shot…he put it on the table in front of him, and he continued to watch the attack…that’s depravity. And that person can never be near the Oval office again” Liz Cheney
No Fishstick. Unproper and possible unethical acts taken by Cheney have been uncovered. It is in the regular news. Not being pointed by just the good professor. But he is pointing it out. If Cheney respects the rule of law so much, why the unethical conduct? Why the sham committee?
“rule of law”…….”unethical acts”……. you have heard of one Donald Trump right?
When Fishstick is losing an argument he always resorts to “whataboutism” and then runs away.
She’s just doing the bidding of her daddy, a capo in the Bush mafia. The Bush mafia has never forgiven nor forgotten the spanking Trump gave to heir apparent Jeb Bush. For that, he must be destroyed.
So, essentially, this is just a bunch of unverified allegations of an ethics violation that even Turley admits is sketchy. This is likely an attempt to alter the narrative through insinuations and unconfirmed allegations to sow doubt about the J6 hearings.
There is no proof that Chaney initiated the communication. That’s alleged, but they prove Hutchinson reached out to Chaney. Turley claims this is from a second communication, but none of the evidence presented shows any communication showing Chaney first reaching out to Hutchinson. To make matters more suspect, Turley’s source is “just the news,” which is known to be heavily biased against Democrats.
Turley is just peddling the allegations that Rep. Barry Loudermilk is putting out to undermine the results of the J6 hearings. According to Turley, there are many problems with his claims, and the first is his sloppy work tying this ethical issue, which is really a non-issue. He debunked the allegations when he admitted that the rule being used to cast a pall over Chaney does not apply to her since the ethics rules are about lawyers in court, not congressional hearings.
I’m sure most posters here who are already jumping to conclusions and making wild assumptions won’t bother to do a little research and find out that this is essentially a nothing burger. It’s chum for the gullible and the naive.
can’t even spell Cheney. Four times, not a typo.
No, they have the Receipts. receipt. However the corrupt in Washington, DC never are held accountable.
I always wonder if you’re reading the same articles with the details clearly laid out as the rest of us are. You either have a reading comprehension problem or You suffer from Turley the arrangement syndrome.
texbender (Davey, Anonymous), nope. You still have reading comprehension problems. That is never going to change.
You’re right, George.
Maybe Turley should have focused more on Liz Cheney’s unrefuted “editing out Trump’s call for supporters to protest ‘peacefully,’ burying evidence on Trump’s offer to supply National Guard support for that day, and highlighting a false account of Trump in his presidential limo that was directly contradicted by witnesses” instead of just mentioning it.
Let me apologize on behalf of the good professor for not focusing on other conduct by Cheney which might be considered more egregious by others.
(^^from lin. yours truly but in a hurry)
Lin, editing? That’s an issue? Everyone knows what he said, and the committee’s desire to focus on context instead of one phrase, ‘peacefully,’ to deflect from the overall tone of the speech shows that Republicans still try hard to ignore the fact that Trump was indeed encouraging the crowd to march to the capitol after also telling them to “fight like hell” and promising them he would march with them.
It’s funny how Republicans want to avoid even talking about that part of the speech. Remember, it was so bad that Turley condemned it while Trump was still delivering it. Turley knew what Trump was trying to do, and he wouldn’t outright admit it, but he always emphasized that he condemned the speech as it was being delivered.
“. . . the committee’s desire to focus on context instead of one phrase, ‘peacefully,’ . . .”
So they wanted to preserve context by dropping context.
That’s a new one.
It’s irrelevant if Chaney reached out to Hutchinson first. It’s the communication with A represented party that is prohibited, not the initial contact.
The communication. is not prohibited. Turley admitted that there would be a problem with the rule since it’s about a Lawyer communicating with a witness. Cheney was not acting in the capacity of a lawyer. She was acting in her capacity as committee chair. The hearings were not a court of law, and Hutchinson contacted them. Not Cheney, as alleged. Turley or Rep Barry Loudermilk do not show evidence that Cheney initiated contact with Hutchinson. That’s why they are being reported as allegations and ‘possibles.’ It’s a weak set of claims with no concrete evidence to support them. It seems to be the same BS game of allegations before evidence like the Biden impeachment inquiry often put out. We all know how that turned out.
Hutchinson recounted the story that Trump allegedly grabbed the wheel of the vehicle after the Secret Service allegedly refused to take him to the Capitol
I don’t believe it happened, but if it did, then Trump is that much more boss (by contrast Biden wouldn’t have been able to find the steering wheel). Trump is becoming more like Chuck Norris every day. Even the fake stories they tell about him make him look good. He’s an alpha male who gets results in favor of America and Americans while the feminized beta males of the other party pee their pants whenever they’re in his presence.
Meanwhile, the village idiot who is currently the Dem candidate for POTUS, in her spare time while she is not opening the border for tens of thousands of murderers and rapists to come in and victimize Americans (as Bill Clinton recently emphasized), is reciting a meaningless word salad about constellations and crime, or school buses, or Venn diagrams, or AI being “fancy,” or Ukraine being “country” next to a “bigger country,” or being “unburdened by what has been,” or some other completely meaningless BS. And while that is happening, her even-dumber running mate is bragging about his friendships with school shooters, telling men they have to be able to cry in front of their horse, or saying we “can’t have four more years of” Biden – which is actually true, but hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
P.S. About that pro-Walz ad with men crying in front of their horse, the ad makers couldn’t even find six men who actually support Kamala. They had to use actors – ha!
OldManFromKS,
I watched that video. Not only did they have to use paid actors, the actors were not even very good or convincing.
Upstate – no they weren’t. They were just cringy.
https://jennasside.rocks/p/the-cringiest-political-ad-ever-no
* It’s attempting to have men identify as men and not to identify as women. Smart
The Presidential limousine (aka “Cadillac One” or “The Beast”) is allegedly built on a standard GM pickup truck frame; in any event, it is gigantic, dwarfing even a Chevy Suburban. The seats are in a 2-3-2 configuration: the front seats for the driver and (presumed) Secret Service passenger; three middle seats for “second class” passengers (more SS, or possibly less entitled dignitaries); and the two lounge seats at the far rear for the primary passengers (POTUS and wife, or another top-level dignitary). The idea that Trump, from one of those rear lounge seats, could have “leaned” (more like unbuckled and crawled several feet) forward and grabbed the steering wheel in an attempt to change the course of that vehicle is ludicrous, at best. Anyone who is aware of the interior layout and is not intoxicated by whatever potent hallucinogen permeates the drinking water inside the Beltway should have been aware of that. Most of our exorbitant extorted taxes go to the direct support of such stupidity on steroids. Time to drain the Swamp and decline to resuscitate the denizens who can no longer breathe ordinary air.
Everything We Know about the New Presidential Cadillac: It’s Yuge!
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15342445/everything-we-know-about-the-new-presidential-cadillac-its-yuge/
Here is another article on the limo. This is the previous rendition, but the layout is allegedly the same. Note in the photo that there is at least one table in between the rear reclining lounge chairs and the three middle seats (not shown) that face the rear. Can you really imagine a passenger in one of those loungers reaching the steering wheel? Ridiculous!
A Look Inside the Presidential Limousine
https://www.thedrive.com/article/1633/a-look-inside-the-presidential-limousine
* Able to dodge bullets, too.
Cheney could have easily avoided conflict. Was she always just a spy? A wolf in sheep’s clothing?
How does this affect the Passantino defamation?
rhino-rhino-rhino
Were liz and nancy twins separated at birth?
“Were liz and nancy twins separated at birth?”
Separated? More like pried apart from a Kama Sutra “69” position…
Just saw that the Harris-Biden administration authorized the US Military and law enforcement to use lethal force against US citizens on US soil. A memorandum issued in September, a totally unconstitutional act worthy of immunity removal from office.
Immediate
Tell us more about this, please.
I saw it on Newsmax today with Chris Salcedo and it was verified on air by military sources. A memorandum issued by the Harris-Biden administration in mid September, reportedly a memo authorizing use of lethal force against civilians.
WTF? This administration is preparing to go to war with the American people!
https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodd/524001p.PDF?
That has always been a rather grey area for lawyers who are also members of Congress. The bar has taken a broad view of the need for lawyers to adhere to these ethical standards.
Now we’re getting somewhere. Lawyers that get sworn into Congress are subject to less or different ethical standards than what they swore to become licensed. Why? Are the bar’s standards insufficient? Or are they too ethically binding for congressional work?
Lastly, if the conduct of a member of Congress violates the ethics rules for their license, why isn’t their license suspended or revoked? Let me guess, same ethics rules for other oathtaking professionals in Congress?
Makes me think of this exchange in Paper Moon:
Moses Pray: “You know what that is, scruples?”
Addie Loggins: “No, I don’t know what it is, but if you got it, it’s a sure bet they belong to somebody else!”
Liz Cheney’s star-studded J6 performance is a lifetime vaccination from prosecution for anything. Criminal, Civil, Administrative, anything. Like James Comey, another D.C. attorney who lied on three FISA affidavits, Cheney answers to a “higher calling”.
“Like James Comey, another D.C. attorney who lied on three FISA affidavits, Cheney answers to a “higher calling”.”
I would be ecstatic if someone delivered the two of them directly to their “higher calling”, tout de suite. Appreciative, not accessory, after the fact…
I think the ethical issues raised by Professor Turley and Olly should be evaluated by the House Ethics Committee.