Gettysburg College in Pennsylvania has been struggling for years with falling revenue and difficulty attracting applications. It has had to reduce faculty and even shutdown a historic journal to stay afloat. Students have raised the alarm of how their institution is “slowly inching toward a financial precipice.” In the midst of this crisis, the college is now facing a new controversy after its admissions counselor and representative for Long Island and New York City went on a tirade against any supporters of former President Donald Trump as “pieces of s**t.”
Lupe Lazaro previously featured on the college website as a “first-generation student” who came to Gettysburg and was wowed by being able to see stars: “it was the first time I’d ever seen the stars. I love the stars, but I live in New York City. On my bus ride home, I applied Early Decision immediately because I knew [seeing the stars] was my sign.” That feature appears to have been removed from the website but can be seen here at another site.
If the claim seemed a bit hyperbolic, it was downright restrained given her recent tirade on Instagram. Lazaro notes that “[n]ot all Trump supporters are xenophobic. But they all decided that xenophobia wasn’t a deal breaker.” She added that “homophobia . . . misogyny . . . rape . . . [and] overthrow[ing] democracy” are also not “deal breaker[s].” According to the conservative site Campus Reform, she accused Trump supporters of having little problem with “misogyny,” “rape,” “homophobia,” “xenophobia,” attempting to overthrow democracy or trying to “lynch the vice president.”
She declared that “You are no different than the piece of s**t human you stand behind.”
Pennsylvania is famously divided right down the middle between Trump and Harris supporters. Long Island also has some of the highest numbers of supporters for Trump in New York. It is difficult to see how some applicants would feel that they had a fair chance with the college if they are openly supporters of the former president.
The fact is Lazaro is just a counselor and her views should not be ascribed to the college. Moreover, I have long supported the right of academics to speak on social media and outside of their institutions, even when they espouse hateful views.
The problem has been a double standard that often seems to apply to controversial statements from the left as opposed to the right. As previously discussed, such statements include professors writing about “detonating white people,” abolish[ing] white people, denouncing police, calling for Republicans to suffer, strangling police officers, celebrating the death of conservatives, calling for the killing of Trump supporters, supporting the murder of conservative protesters and other outrageous statements.
We also discussed the free speech rights of University of Rhode Island professor Erik Loomis, who defended the murder of a conservative protester and said that he saw “nothing wrong” with such acts of violence. (Loomis was later made Director of Graduate Studies of History at Rhode Island).
Even when faculty engage in hateful acts on campus, however, there is a notable difference in how universities respond depending on the viewpoint. At the University of California campus, professors actually rallied around a professor who physically assaulted pro-life advocates and tore down their display.
When these controversies arose, faculty rallied behind the free speech rights of the professors. That support was far more muted or absent when conservative faculty have found themselves at the center of controversies. The suspension of Ilya Shapiro is a good example. Other faculty have had to go to court to defend their free speech rights. One professor was suspended for being seen at a controversial protest.
I just finished a debate at Harvard over that school’s lack of diversity among the faculty and the maintenance of an academic echo chamber. The vast majority of faculty today run from the left to the far left.
The difference is that Lazaro is the face of the college for new applicants and the snarling social media posts send a message of intolerance at the college. If you are one of those little Trump-supporting “pieces of s**t,” the controversy may lead you to think twice about applying.
I am still opposed to sanctions for students and faculty generally for social media postings expressing their political views. Lazaro is a representative of the college and has added obligations as part of that public role outside of the university.
As a recruiter, the college can ask for Lazaro to avoid public comments that denigrate or abuse groups of applicants. It can also issue a statement that these views are not those of the institution. However, it does not appear that Lazaro’s comments specifically referred to students or applicants and she should be allowed to be actively and vocally involved in this election.
It is admittedly a tough line to walk as an administrator, but labeling all Trump supporters as democracy-killing, rape-supporting, women-hating people is not exactly conducive toward drawing more applicants to the struggling school.
It does not help an already tarnished image for the school. Gettysburg College ranked a dismal 217th on the annual ranking of colleges and universities on free speech. The school is already viewed as intolerant of opposing viewpoints by many and this does not help. Yet, it will have to establish a clear guideline on how public comments are addressed on social media for admissions personnel.
As I discuss in my book, The Indispensable Right, the trust of higher education is at an all-time low. Academics are destroying our institutions with a culture of viewpoint intolerance and orthodoxy.
Gettysburg College is an old and revered institution. It is now struggling like many to maintain its faculty and programs. Administrators seem willing to do most anything but restore free speech and intellectual diversity as part of the appeal to new students.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University and the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
With JTs constant hype on the 1st amendment, you’d think he’d jump on a state that tries to limit 1st amendment protections.
But with JT, silence.
FoxNews covering this ruling? Nope.
How come JT?
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/judge-slams-florida-for-censoring-political-ad-its-the-first-amendment-stupid/
ATS – While I agree with the Judge’s ruling – the foundation of his decision makes all FDA rules regarding advertising unconstitutional – which they are.
I question whether this judge would rule the same when the FDA tells a drug manufacturer to pull adds because of failure to comply with regulations ?
If Abortion is a medical procedure – which it is, and if government is allowed to censor medical advertisements because of public health concerns – then the judge got it wrong.
But his error is that government is not allowed to censor anything – including allegedly false medical claims.
There is a perfectly good tort claim for those harmed by false medical claims.
Love how you base all your knowledge on media headlines. Have you read the actual correspondence from FL DOH to the ad creators and publishers?
Some Ten years ago I was developing a project in a remote high desert area far away from any light contaminate, the sky was clear as ever, nary a cloud in sight and moon at new, all which enhanced the sky and all its wonders. Anyway, I had a new 19-year-old employee who had grown up in Miami and had never ventured beyond. We were standing outside in the evening, and I marveled at the sky and mentioned the Milky Way to this young man. His response was unexpected “Yea if it wasn’t so cloudy” where I ask what clouds, and he pointed to the Milky Way!
I oppose muzzling people like Lupe or causing them to hide online comments. It’s good to know who they are and how vile they are. Let them expose themselves.
Free speech right…
https://atlantablackstar.com/2024/10/18/kansas-man-sentenced-to-more-than-six-years-in-prison-threats-against-black-children/
I’m pretty sure this guy is a trump supporter, most white supremest are. But when he goes to prison, is he going to survive or will he become someones play toy?
“I’m pretty sure this guy is a trump supporter, most white supremest are.”
I’m pretty sure this guy is another anonymous President Biden supporter. Biden would be the Kluxxer who fought for segregated schools, saying he didn’t want his kids in schools full of jungle bunnies.
Same white supremacist who in 2020 told black Americans that if they dared to vote for Trump instead of him, they weren’t black.
Six years for threats…I don’t know what party he’s in, but for sure the judge is a democrat.
6 years of threats without ever doing anything but brandishing a weapon.
This guy almost certainly has mental health problems.
While most of us are unwilling to gamble with our lives and that of others that he is not dangerous – that is NOT the standard from a criminal threat.
To me this appears to be a typical example of treating mental health issues as crimes.
But then we are really bad at dealing wit people with mental health problems like this.
Another example of why you should never point your firearm at someone unless you’re going to use it.
I would bet the person involved has serious mental health issues – that is the norm for this type of behavior.
Further there is no evidence of actual violence despite the fact that this went on for months.
In my state the woman would have sought a protection from abuse order, and if the guy violated it he would go to jail for a short time for each violation.
There is nothing in this case that warrants a multi-year jail sentence.
Actual murders and rapists often do not get 6-8 years.
While his actions cross the line between free speech and prohibited conduct – they only BARELY do so.
The standard for criminalizing threats is that they must be clear, credible and immediate.
Brandishing a gun in the way that he did is a crime – but not one that warrants years in jail.
Threatening violence as he did, is not inherently a crime – the threat must be credible and immediate – these are not.
There is no claim that he ever fired his gun at anyone. Or that he did what he threatened.
He appears to be a garden variety Paranoid Pschitzophrenic who has glommed onto race as his fixation – just as Giffords shooter glommed onto grammar.
I know this is hard for you left wing nuts – but people with mental health issues are NOT reflective of the ideology they hold – if they were all left wing nuts would be in jail.
I recently sat down with my 10th grade son to review a list of colleges for him to research and see if he had an interest in applying or visiting the school. Gettysburg was on the list, not any longer.
The United States Air Force Academy (USAFA)
usafa.edu
USCGA – United States Coast Guard Academy
uscga.edu
United States Military Academy West Point
westpoint.edu
United States Naval Academy (USNA)
usna.edu
The United States Air Force – Space Force Academy
academyadmissions.com/why/space-force/
US Marshal Federal Enforcement Officer Training Academy
usmarshals.gov/careers/deputy-us-marshals/training-academy
At 10 yrs old: Study for the: The ASVAB Test, AFQT Test (Air Force), etc. (summer school studies) …
West Point suggest:
Step 3. Take College Entrance Exams
Test scores are required, and applicants may choose either the SAT or the ACT. If you are a junior, it is to your advantage to take the SAT or ACT by the end of your junior year.
TIP: Take the tests as many times as you wish. There is no penalty for multiple attempts, and we will super-score your results, meaning we will consider your best performance in each category.
https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/steps-to-admission
Going to be required soon:
https://www.wthr.com/article/news/verify/project-2025-verify/yes-project-2025-recommends-requiring-military-entrance-exams-for-public-high-school-students/536-6d799964-87b7-4cfc-9f1c-4925ab4dc22d
At least do the 4 yrs. of service and get out. You won’t regret the benefits and opportunities thereafter. Particularly if you go into Politics or Banking.
Academies for Lloyd Austin’s hyper-woke LBGTQXYZ military? Surely you can’t be serious?
“Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expresly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”
– John Jay Letter to George Washington, 1787
If they are NOT espousing American values (as enumerated in the Constitution, Bill of Rights and even the Declaration of Independence, then let the market decide!
Actually, Lupe has done a wonderful thing for prospective applicants to Gettysburg College and for their parents who more likely than not will be footing at least some of the bill for their child to attend there. Lupe has provided applicants with a clear warning of what they can expect from their experience were they to be accepted there and choose to attend. She should be thanked for the wake-up call.
What insanity makes these people think we want their hate, or that that is any measure of a way forward? It is impossible not to note that Lupe is of a certain . . . vintage, and woke folks in these cohorts have more than proven by now they are not up to the task of handling anything with maturity, real elan (they just regurgitate), or even basic competence. This is the same temper tantrum she gave her parents in the high chair, just with more and bigger words. It is pathetic. Stop wasting your money.
James,
Our leftist friends have taken a number of beatings as of late. Various cases against Trump dismissed, under question or obviously biased it cannot be ignored.
Biden was supposed to be the one to beat Trump! After a disaster of a debate it was impossible to ignore the obvious mental decline. So, they ditched him and installed Harris.
Now we have Harris.
Her debate against Trump was an obvious three on one debate. The bias of them only fact checking Trump.
All the softball interviews. Avoiding the press. Packed town halls with people already Harris supporters.
Then her one real interview with Bret Baier on Fox did not go well for her at all.
Her polling numbers are not going well. She is losing support from black men and Hispanics in general.
Obama and Bill Clinton campaigning for her has not gone nearly as well as they may have hoped.
The Al Smith dinner, Chuck Shummer looked like he wanted to be anywhere but there. The video Harris sent in her place received at best a luke warm response.
Our leftist friends, well, they are in a panic. They are saying more and more wild and crazy things on MSM. They even resorted to editing various videos of Trump to make it sound like he would use the military to go after people who did not agree with him. I think someone would of called that a “deep fake.”
So, to a degree, their insanity is justified as they are panicking.
How marvelous!
@Upstate
I have not failed to notice, and I agree, it’s just with this particular type and age of person – it’s just seemingly in their inextricably woven into their DNA to be followers.
I do not know what we are going to do with all of them in the future. I think it’s whimsicalmama that repeatedly says we will just have to let them age out because they are not useful in any capacity to a functional society; I tend to agree. The question is, what do we do in the meantime?
Guess the baby steps start with this election. I really, really didn’t used to feel this way, but after 2020, yes, voters, take ten people with you to the polls. Make this election so big they can’t refute it with cheating, because you’d better believe they are going to try to cheat on every level possible. I also tend to agree that if we still had an honest media rather than a DNC Pravda, this would be a win akin to Reagan’s first term. We do not have that luxury in 2024. We must all vote our little behinds off or suffer the consequences.
Sorry for the grammatical errors. Maybe a subscription would come with the ability to edit posts. 🤷🏻♂️
James,
What to do with them in the meantime? Seeing colleges and universities close, companies ditching their DEI departments, wokism getting rejected, they are going to have to grow up and be adults, or continue their careers as baristas and living in mom’s basement. The one thing I think we can all be glad of, is they do not reproduce.
The problem is not th series of supposed disasters of the Harris campaign.
The problem is that people KNOW what they are getting with Trump.
They do not KNOW with Harris.
I do not think the Biden debate was the disaster that it is painted as.
But it was the moment at which the left realized they could not get Biden over the finish line again.
I did not see anything in the Trump/Biden debate that I did not expect. Frankly I thought Biden was MORE competent than I expected.
No one thinks Biden has been running the country. The dementia attacks have worked not because of Biden’s feebleness, but because the children running the country have been a disaster.
Harris is arguably a part of that. She not only needed to explain why she did not speak up about Biden,
But why she did not speak up about the failed policies of the Biden admin – regardless of who authored them.
She needed to demonstrate why she would be better than 4 years of Joe
The problems is not what she said.
It is what she did not say.
And that compounded by the fact that she not only had to say the right things, but she had to persuade people that she would do the right things.
She has not even tried.
It is not what Harris says that is the problem, it is not her laugh, it is not her vapid remarks.
It is that she has not given undecideds any reason to beleive she would be a batter president than Trump or that she would not be as bad as Biden/
To the commenters who keep bringing up the First Amendment and say she has a constitutional right to engage in hate speech against Trump supporters:
Nobody is denying that. That’s not what the article is about.
OldManFromKS,
Well said. My first comment today was that I support her 1stA right. No sarcasm implied. Lets everyone know exactly what she thinks and feels. Could it impact Gettysburg college enrollment? Maybe. But as it has been noted, a number of colleges and universities in the NE have closed due to financial problems.
Upstate – I noticed that and I even had you in mind when I said that nobody is denying that she has a first-amendment right. The anonymous commenter below implies Professor Turley is a “hypocrite” for writing this article and also supporting the first amendment. It’s hard to fathom how shallow and insipid that kind of thinking is. Supporting people’s expressive rights is not the same as approving of everything they say. But our left-wing commenters on this blog can’t seem to get their mind around that very simple concept.
ignorance is bliss
OldManFromKS,
Well said.
I will defend your right to speech but I do not have to agree with it. Dont have to listen to it either. There are some people who are just not worth wasting time listening or talking to.
* Cops would say it’s about a 5150.
Have some heart. She had never seen stars before. Just wrap your head around that.
Those on the left are logical disasters regarding the first amendment – they hold positions that are inconsistent and vary with politics.
The first amendment means GOVERNMENT can not impose consequences for your speech
It means GOVERNMENT can not silence you.
It means GOVERNME?NT can not do the above through proxies either.
If does NOT mean that speech has no consequences.
People RIGHTLY judge you based on what you say.
They make decisions regarding hiring and firing., or even associating with you
They make decisions regarding trusting you.
In other news, one of the world’s worst terrorists is now dead, thanks to the efforts of the IDF. Notably, Kamala had said it would be a bad idea to go into Rafah to find him, adding that she knew this to be so because she had “studied the maps.” Sinwar died alone, fully cognizant he had been bested by the IDF:
https://allisrael.com/hamas-leader-sinwar-died-alone-heavily-wounded-and-fully-aware-israel-had-gotten-to-him
* Then her little speech taking credit for Sinwar’s death and after a no show at the Netanyahu speech before congress where the VP presides by law.
Isreal will continue.
Bill Clinton was correct when he said that Layken Riley would still be alive today if the border was secure. However he failed to mention that Joe Biden cancelled Trumps remain in Mexico policy. Fake compassion by Harris and Clinton is sickening. It’s just collateral damage on the way to power. Hearts of stone.
JT loves his first amendment, unless he doesn’t. Hypocrite much?
“To keep it simple for the State of Florida: it’s the First Amendment, stupid.”
Chief U.S. District Judge Mark E. Walker
^ That made no sense ^
To a. trump supporter your comment is expected. Unless your cult leader says it’s true, it’s not true.
How come JT rarely calls out right wing people/groups that threaten free speech? Book bans, silence, teachers threatened, silence.
A Federal judge tells Florida that can’t do something because of the 1st Amendment? Silence
Does Fox News carry items damaging to the right wing cause? Rarely. Read news from multiple sources. You will rarely get truth from any one source, you will come closer to truth if you read all sides.
Your complaints about Fox ring hollow when 95% of the MSM is in the tank for Democrats and left-wing causes.
Did FoxNews carry the news that a Federal Judge chastised Florida about blocking 1st amendment rights?
@Anonymous
🥱🥱🥱
How come JT rarely calls out right wing people/groups that threaten free speech? Book bans…
Says it all that they CONTINUE to lie about book bans – while being unable provide a reference to any Republican government list of the books Anonymous Democrats are prohibited from buying to show their kids at home.
Whether it’s Hustler Magazine to show your little girls how to properly do a gaping crotch shot after they grow their first pubic hair:
Amazon.com – All Issues Of Hustler Magazine!
Each issue explicit erotic nudity, and their high-quality, steamy photo spreads
https://www.amazon.com/hustlers-magazine/s?k=hustlers+magazine
or Gender Queer to show your little sons how to properly perform fellatio on other little boys.
https://www.amazon.com/Audible-Gender-Queer-A-Memoir/dp/B0CGBY7HZG
Any idea why not a single Anonymous Democrat, Dennis McIntyre, Gigi, CNN, Rachael Maddow, Border Czar Harris, etc can give a link to “those Republican lists of banned books” they claim exist?
Not even a single Democrat donating unionized public school groomer?
Nope; not one. Just more Lyin’ Like A Proud Biden.
Do you Airborne warfighters yell “Geronimo” when you parachute into combat?
Shouldn’t you Navy boys learn the huge difference between going dirt chute rather than parachute?
How do Navy boys get their Bachi Boys onto their safe boats offshore?
ATS – the FL judges decision is correct as to the actual first amendment.
It is however NOT consistent with current first amendment law.
The FDA is free to censor medical advertisements that provide misinformation.
This case is no different.
While I beleive the court actually got it right.
I doubt this judge would be telling the FDA – “Its the first amendmen, Stupid”
Because he would not, and because YOU would not, that means the decision is political and not principled.
And I would note that People not on the left understand that.
The correct decision is that if you provide false medical information that others rely on to their actual harm,
then you are liable in a tort case. There is no role for Government to apriori censor your speech – not about abortion,
Not about medicine, or medical procedures or used cars.
So that you are clear – Walkers decision means that Drug companies can lie in their advertisements and there isnothing Governement can do about it.
That is actually the CORRECT first amendment decision, but I doubt it is what Walker or those on the left intend.
Friday morning fun.
As I read this post, I was mentally shaking my head, thinking that these professors and staff are role models for youth? How low that academia has fallen, compared to when I went to school!
HA! Then I had a flashback to being a little kid watching older kids and teens on TV “Do the Limbo” rock dance.
Lupe Limbo Lazaro. Has a nice ring to it. “How Low can you go?” says the song.
“Jack be limbo, Jack be quick
Jack go under limbo stick
All around the limbo clock
Hey, let’s do the limbo rock…
“Don’t move that limbo bar
You’ll be a limbo star
How low can you go?”
A guy named Chubby Checker sang it. Ironically, his other big hit was “The Twist.”
Lin,
HAHAHA! Great comment!
Great comment Lin. For Kamala the answers my friend are blowin in the wind. The answers are blowin in the wind.
On blueberry hill…
We’re dating ourselves.
WordPress login is an ordeal to simply “like” a comment. Maybe the publisher of this blog should make it required to post, as well. Test of cognitive ability.
Hey! Sounds like you’re trying to weed-out the dem/marxists. Down with the meritocracy!
I find it interesting that fairly often the leftists who post on this forum complain loudly that their posts are not being shown. They demand their right to be heard here but they won’t condemn Harris, Walz and Clinton when they call for limitations on speech. Anonymous has told us that she works at the Langley Air Force base but she posts here multiple times per day. The only assumption that one can make is that she is employed in the propaganda division of the CIA.
What about DeSantis free speech.
“To keep it simple for the State of Florida: it’s the First Amendment, stupid.”
Chief U.S. District Judge Mark E. Walker
Kamala Harris said that the border is a problem but that’s not what she said before. Quote. “The border is secure, but we also have a broken immigration system, in particular over the last four years before we came in, and it needs to be fixed,” Harris told Chuck Todd during an interview for NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday.
We have a secure border in that that is a priority for any nation, including ours and our administration,” she added”.
Tell it to Layken Riley. Now she says that the border is Trumps fault. Six prominent Democrats voted against the bill that she said Trump tried to kill. Sleazy lawyer
She said the border is so bad because Trump is “running for office.” Perhaps realizing that made no sense, she added, “Wink wink, you know what I’m talking about, wink wink.” To which Bret responded, “No, actually, I have no idea what you’re talking about.” Neither did the audience.
OldManFromKS,
I thought that was brilliant of Bret. Harris might of been expecting him to go soft on her but the look on her face, I think that is when the panic began to set in, in earnest.
Turley is so concerned about free speech these days that he just “forgets” that a federal judge just stopped Florida and DeSantis from threatening TV stations over ads they don’t like. Or the Dear Leader calling for networks and cable networks to lose their licensees because the Dear Leader does not like what they report. I’m sure it was a oversite by the “good professor” as some call him here, or could it really be that his job these days is to keep the rage going for his diehard trump supporters.
FishWings. How do we know that you never tell the truth? Because you make comments but you never provide a source for your information. Please provide a source or we must come to the conclusion that you are being dishonest. You can rest assured that I will be asking for your source each time that you make a comment in the future.
Look it up, I will not do your work for you. If you don’t know about the deal in Florida or that Trump threatened networks, then maybe you change what you read or see.
If you make a statement you should be able to back it up. It’s your job to prove your claims not mine. You only respond to my question in this manner because you can’t provide a source for your claims or you’re not intelligent enough to copy and paste. I suspect both as do many others on this forum. Weasel words.
“To keep it simple for the State of Florida: it’s the First Amendment, stupid.”
Chief U.S. District Judge Mark E. Walker
FishWings, my go to source of information is Real Clear Politics. I read columns from far left wing sources such as CNN, Salon, The Nation, The Guardian and MSNBC. You simply will not provide a source because you don’t know how to copy and paste. However, if you do know how to copy paste then you are just lazy. If you go to the back of a book by a serious writer you will always see attributions listing the sources that the author has used to come to his conclusion. Such a writer does not expect the readers to “look it up” for Themselves. You are not really trying to inform anyone here but rather to message your ego with some unsubstantiated claim. We know who you are.
You beliefs don’t make you a free thinker. The ability to change your beliefs based on new information does. Change the channel and radio that you watch and listen too, you might just learn something.
Fishdip
Who in this day snd age gets their news source from one channel or network? The internet is forever, there are european networks, Middle East networks, podcasts and a plethora of other information sources. What’s alarming is your own lack of self awareness to this. The other thing you continue to dismiss is our own lying eyes.
FW – one does not change views simply because of new information.
Views change when new information credibly undermines what based on past information you credibly beleive.
Contra those on the left – that is a RARE occurance – especially for conservatives and especially as people get older.
Adam Smith got the entirety of Economics pretty much right – 250 years ago. Since then numerous brilliant economists have apple polished bits, taken small parts of Smith’s work and expanded it with a life time of work.
But in those 250 years, no “new information” has undermined smith – not in part, not entirely.
Marx, Communisim, and socialism are a disaster. The so called nordic social democracy that the left trumpets is at best less of a failure and european leaders are trying to extricate themselves from their mistakes – something that is very difficult.
Keynes was brilliant – but he conflated an implication with an equation, and the results have been decades of politicians doing stupid things because keynesian economists tell them that the communative, associative and distributive properties of math apply to Keynesian equations. But they are implications, not equations and the mathematical properties of equations do not apply.
More recently when have had the absurdity of MMT – how many examples of past regimes debasing their currancies to disasterous effect do we need before we understand how horrible and idea that is.
The core to conservatism – which is NOT an ideology but a historical observation of reality is that most new ideas are failures. that most of the time what is for all its problems is superior to the latest new idea.
That we do not subject the country to “new ideas” by force until we are absolutely certian they work better than what we have
It is the understanding that all the good intentions in the world do not amount to a hill of beans if the incentives of something new are even slightly off.
Much as it pains me to have to confirm FishWings, it is true about the State of Florida being reprimanded about their attempt to silence critics of the ballot measure:
https://reason.com/2024/10/18/its-the-first-amendment-stupid-federal-judge-slams-florida-for-threatening-tv-stations/
Thank you Ellen, it pains me to say, but looking up facts is not a Trump supporters strong suit.
As I have pointed out to you repeatedly – While Walkers decision is correct, it MUST also apply to the FDA,
And there is no doubt that Walker or you would constrain censorship of medical advice by the FDA.
Wherefore all you and Walker have done is demonstrated that “Its the hypocracy, Stupid”.
But that is the core problem with the left.
I did not expect FL to win this case – though they actually are on the correct side of current first amendment law.
I would note that FL has mostly won all the other 1A challenges those of you on the left have lobbed.
I would be more supportive of your challenges to FL – if you were not such huge hypocrits.
Where is the equivalent of Walker ruling against he FDA, the FBI, the DHS ?
The first amendment is not a political weapon for lefties.
Ellen Evans: It pains me to say that, while you intended to be honest, you might have failed to understand WHY and UNDER WHAT JUSTIFICATION the FLorida State Dept of Health sent out these warnings.
Here is a copy of that actual letter: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25194950/fl-doh-letter.pdf
Notwithstanding, I would agree that, in lieu of that “warning’ correspondence, the Health Dept should simply paid for a TV ad explaining this.
FW we are aware of those things.
And for once our system worked relatively correctly and fast.
Government has no right to censor medical claims – not FL, not the FDA.
Though I doubt Judge Walker is going to say “Its the first amendment Stupid” to the FDA anytime soon.
DeSantis was wrong – HOWEVER – despite Walkers conclusion the state of curren first amendment precident is that Govenrment can censor medical misinformation.
And BTW it is NOT the role of the courts to decide what is and is not misinformation.
As to Trump’s remarks – Trump has said things like this before
When he had the power to do so – he did not even try.
Conversely the Biden Admin is threatening the crap out of people, and censoring them.
The First amendment means Trump can SAY any stupid thing he wishes.
But he can not actually censor, regardless of what he wishes.
We get this lunatic rhetoric from the left all the time, that Trump is Hitler that he will censor and jail people that he will abuse power against political enemies.
Yet as President he did NONE of that. But Biden/Harris did ALL of that.
People care about what those looking to get elected SAY.
But thy care far more what they will DO,.
Fishstick, once again I have to point out the obvious to you. The good professor is not keeping the rage going for anyone. He is merely pointing out the rage expressed, clearly, by leftists. Like Ms. Lazaro. No one, not the good professor, forced her to post those things to her instagram account. She did so all by her own free will. Which I fully support her 1stA rights. We know what she thinks. As a result, some may then choose not to go to Gettysburg College if they feel the college does not represent their best interests.
UpstateFarmer, you’re one of the people here who say it’s better when users have screen names
but then you disrespect some of those who do by repeatedly calling them a different name.
Does that help add to a ‘sane and normal’ discussion or is it acting like a troll?
Does that help add to a ‘sane and normal’ discussion or is it acting like a troll?
It is acting like a troll to claim that when FishAnus disrespects other posters here with insults i.e. calling them cult members, those he directs his insults towards must treat him with respect in response?
And if they don’t, one of FishAnus’s fellow trolls will justifiably claim that by doing that, they’re also being a troll?
The ol’ Democrat Different application of standards: one for FishAnus and the completely opposite standard for those who reply to him and his fellow Democrat trolls?
Turley clearly did his job on promoting rage on you by writing in your words, not his, “clearly, by leftists”….. so your rage shows don’t it? Why would Turley leave out important stories that concerns a whole state or country about censorship and point out one persons view? He got you to show your rage didn’t he?
Fishstick, that is not rage. That is common sense, deductive reasoning and applied logic. Simple.
Well then, common sense, deductive reasoning and applied logic would make you what? A fascist? By calling someone’s opinion “leftist”. So, in your view, there’s only one way, your way.
Wow. You really are failing here if that is what your common sense, deductive reasoning and applied logic came to that conclusion. Where did I ever say my way was the only way? As I have stated earlier today in the comments section, I fully support Ms. Lazaro 1stA rights to express herself. Lets us all know what she thinks and feels. Okay. Does not take a genius to figure out that sounds awfully like a “leftist” opinion.
Fish Wings, don’t waste your time arguing with the trolls.
@Anonymous
That is the funniest thing I’ve heard in a while. And anyone who has read this site for more than a year is probably enjoying a similar guffaw.
Yes, better spent drinking more kool aid. What’s a woman? How long would it take to print $35 trillion in $500 bills, say 36”x72” sheet, 144 bills per sheet. Assume 100 presses with a Print rate per press 3seconds per sheet.
Get back to me.
Hint: A hundred generations will be long dead before the print job is finished.
Person A (Turley) makes a point about a failing college Pennsylvania. Person B (FishWings) responds with an unrelated word salad about Ron Desantis in Florida.
The only “Dear Leader” I am aware of is the doddering fool in the WH.
DeSantis’s efforts to silence deceptive abortion adds in FL is no more a violation of the First Amedment as the FDA having any say in drug advertisements.
Is Walker prepared to tell the FDA “Its the first amendment, Stupid” ?
He is correct in his ruling, but no one expects he would be consistent if it were challenges tot he FDA.
This is the problem with left wing nuts.
You only care about rights when it is YOURS that are being violated.
First they came for school parents
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a parent
Then they came for pro-lifers
And I did not speak out
Because I was not prolife
Then they came for the catholics
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a catholic
Then they came for MAGA
And I did not speak out
Because I was not MAGA
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
It’s Friday at 10:00 and therefore time for selected Bee headlines:
– ABC News argues 9/11 overblown as it was “only a handful of buildings”
– ‘Oops, we meant to say UP,’ explains FBI after months of saying crime is down
– NASA baffled at how Elon managed to succeed without as many gay Muslim female dwarfs of color as they have
– Washington Post gives entire staff day off to mourn loss of Hamas leader
– Hamas brings back casual Fridays to draw new recruits
– Harris complains she was not informed the interview would include questions
– Democrats wonder if it’s too late to go back to Joe Biden
– After interview Kamala calls McDonald’s to ask if her old job still available
– Healthiest man alive just does opposite of whatever the government recommends
– Starbucks makes up for coffee being crappy by heating it to one million degrees
– Racist cop in Virginia refuses to allow Black woman to murder him
– Ohio cats take to the streets to protest illegal immigration
– New York City mayor declares Texas a sanctuary state for illegal immigrants
– Dems promise next Trump assassin will be a woman of color
“ABC News argues 9/11 overblown as it was ‘only a handful of buildings.'”
That’s a beauty. Wished I’d thought of it! 🙂
How about, “Martha Raddatz’s house burned to the ground, but the fire department didn’t come because it was only one home.”
I’m pretty sure that was a Babylon Bee story.
I fully support Ms. Lupe Lazaro 1stA right to express herself and to let all know her thoughts and feelings. The 1stA works to everyone’s best interest when everyone knows others position on a given topic. Then we call can make sound judgements as to where we spend our money, spend our time or what businesses we support.
It has been noted that many small colleges in the NE have been failing. Perhaps Ms. Lazaro’s point of view may hasten Gettysburg demise.
JT has provided multiple examples of public, private, large and small colleges and universities that are openly hostile environments for conservative students. I’ll call them “no-go” schools. I don’t recall JT writing a post about schools that are similarly hostile to liberals. Is this an oversight by JT? Or is it something else altogether?
OLLY,
Are you suggesting there is a trend here that the good professor just might be pointing out? 😉
However, seriously, there is one college bucking the the illiberal trend and that would be the University of Austin. We need more colleges and universities like them to counter the illiberal echo chambers, get back to real academics and higher standards.
I saw a brief write-up about UofA, and frankly I am skeptical about it. Why would anyone start a conservative-leaning college in the heart of the very bluest part of predominately red state? Until I see a cogent explanation of that, my assumption is that this is some kind of scam.
Upstate, there is most certainly a trend. Given the Left’s pattern of excusing their behavior by finding fault with those on the Right, I find it very telling they haven’t identified such a school hostile to Liberals.
Well Olly, if Ms. Lazaro would have come out wearing a T-Shirt stating there were only two genders, there would have a massive uproar in the media and Gettysburg College would have fired her on the spot. Trashing Trump supporters though ? Not a problem…..
Honest question. Are there any universities that are hostile to liberal students?