Yesterday, Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes became the latest Democratic prosecutor to suggest a possible criminal charge against former President Donald Trump. Mayes suggested that Trump’s controversial statement on Liz Cheney going to war could constitute a criminal threat. It is absurd and Mayes knows that any such charge would collapse before any remotely objective trial judge.
The promise of a criminal investigation by Mayes may hold a type of thrill-kill enticement for voters, but it would constitute a major assault on free speech in criminalizing political rhetoric.
I have often criticized Trump for his rhetoric and particularly his personal attacks on opponents and critics. However, the question is not whether you like the Cheney comment but whether there would be any meaningful limits on criminalizing political speech.
Critics charged that some media outlets were accused of misrepresenting the comments by cutting off part of what Trump said.
Drudge Report ran a banner reading “TRUMP CALLS FOR CHENEY’S EXECUTION.” It then linked to the partial quotation on MSNBC and CNN:
“I don’t blame him for sticking with his daughter, but his daughter is a very dumb individual. Very dumb, she’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK? Let’s see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face.”
However, they cut off the lines that followed. Here is the whole quote with the removed lines in bold:
“I don’t blame him for sticking with his daughter, but his daughter is a very dumb individual. Very dumb, she’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK. Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face. You know, they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, oh, gee, we’ll, let’s send — let’s send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy.”
The quote is clearly a reference to Cheney going to war and how she would feel about it.
The usual suspects ran to X to decry a threat of violence, including Harvard Professor Laurence Tribe. Tribe previously called for Trump to be charged with the attempted murder of former Vice President Mike Pence. Even though no prosecutor has ever suggested such a charge, Tribe assured CNN that the crime was already established “without any doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond any doubt.” Tribe also previously declared that there was evidence supporting criminal charges of witness tampering, criminal election violations, Logan Act violations, extortion, espionage, attempted murder, and treason by Trump or his family.
Once again, I do not like the tenor or the name-calling. However, it is most clearly not a criminal threat.
What is most striking about Mayes’s promise is that no competent prosecutor would believe that such a political statement could constitute a crime. As I discuss in my book, “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage,” people do not like to admit it but they like the rage. It is addictive and contagious, even for prosecutors.
We have been here before with Trump. After the January 6th riot, there was an overwhelming consensus that Trump could be charged with incitement. After the riot, District of Columbia Attorney General Karl Racine was widely praised when he announced that he was considering arresting Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Rudy Giuliani, and U.S. Rep. Mo Brooks and charging them with incitement. So what happened to that prosecution? The failure of Racine to charge Trump was not due to any affection or loyalty to the former president. It was due to the paucity of direct evidence of a crime that would hold up in court. Supporters of this theory also often cut off the quote before Trump told his followers to protest “peacefully.”
Mayes will also likely drop the matter in time with no action. The important thing was to convey to Democratic voters a desire to prosecute Trump. It is now the bona fides of every Democratic prosecutor.
Even under Counterman v. Colorado, the Supreme Court ruled that criminal threats must be based on a showing of a culpable mental state. It cannot be based merely on a claim that words are objectively threatening. At a minimum, it requires the person to recklessly disregard a substantial risk that his words could be perceived as threatening. In so holding, the Court sought to offer “‘breathing space’ for protected speech.”
The need for such breathing space is even more significant in the context of a presidential campaign. For example, after his controversial garbage comment, Biden was accused of wanting to drown Trump. He has previously spoken about beating up Trump. None of that could be reasonably viewed as actual threats.
Even some figures on the left called out the media for misrepresenting the statement. The Young Turks’ Cenk Uygur wrote “Donald Trump did not call for the execution of Liz Cheney. That is a bald-faced lie.He was making a point about how she is a chickenhawk. But also, Trump shouldn’t talk about guns being ‘trained on her face,’ especially in a time where we’re worried about political violence.”
Vox correspondent Zack Beauchamp added his objections: “Folks, Trump didn’t threaten to execute Liz Cheney. He actually was calling her a chickenhawk, something liberals said about her for ages. Look at the context — Trump is talking about giving her a weapon. Typically, people put in front of firing squads aren’t armed.”
Political analyst Jonah Goldberg retracted his comments on CNN and now admits that there was no threat by Trump.
The threat from Mayes constitutes political pandering of the worst kind. Suggesting another round of lawfare just days before the election is a disservice to her office and the citizens of Arizona.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
N.B.: Here is the statute:
13-1202. Threatening or intimidating; classification
A. A person commits threatening or intimidating if the person threatens or intimidates by word or conduct:
1. To cause physical injury to another person or serious damage to the property of another; or
2. To cause, or in reckless disregard to causing, serious public inconvenience including, but not limited to, evacuation of a building, place of assembly or transportation facility; or
3. To cause physical injury to another person or damage to the property of another in order to promote, further or assist in the interests of or to cause, induce or solicit another person to participate in a criminal street gang, a criminal syndicate or a racketeering enterprise.
B. Threatening or intimidating pursuant to subsection A, paragraph 1 or 2 is a class 1 misdemeanor, except that it is a class 6 felony if:
1. The offense is committed in retaliation for a victim’s either reporting criminal activity or being involved in an organization, other than a law enforcement agency, that is established for the purpose of reporting or preventing criminal activity.
2. The person is a criminal street gang member.
C. Threatening or intimidating pursuant to subsection A, paragraph 3 is a class 3 felony.
the first amendment is really inconvenient- his rant about cheney, while protected speech, is consistent with his rants against others who have had the temerity to confront donald trump-he’s telling america-again for the umpteenth time-who he is- listen to him-he’s trolling rudy, with his “trial by combat” rant on j6-he is ridiculous beyond words- everytime he opens his yap, he makes kamala seem temperate by comparison -i voted for haley in the texas primary-i’ve already voted for harris in the general-trump is a dangerous cartoon character-its another example of how we, as a nation, are no longer an serious country-harris is not one of my favorite politicians- it has taken the complete aas hatery behavior on trump’s part to render her the most serious candidate in this election – he has succeeded
OT, this is one of the most confusing and confounding things I’ve ever heard. Why would the NY State Department of Environmental Conservation take someone’s indoor squirrel with a search warrant and then murder it? This apparently was the most famous squirrel on earth, had a social media following in the millions, and brought joy to kids all over the globe. Can anyone provide an explanation of why this happened?
https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1852716944153043161
Kansas Elder — The squirrel bit somebody:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/31/nyregion/peanut-squirrel-pet-seized.html?unlocked_article_code=1.XE4.Dpyy.4kR-MmEvGa-0&smid=url-share
I just looked into it a bit more. The squirrel didn’t bite anyone before the police raid. One officer *claimed* to have been bit during the raid, but that could be false. The owner said all officers put on gloves before entering the home, and he claims the squirrel wouldn’t have been able to bite through the material. The supposed bite appears to have been a pretext for euthanization to test for rabies. But the rabies excuse is tenuous because there were no signs of it, and the owner says the squirrel had bitten him before with no adverse effects. The owner is trying to get the medical records to see if any rabies test was actually done.
Also the search warrant was signed off on based solely on anonymous tips, which is highly dubious. How does that constitute probable cause to support a valid warrant to go in and search a private home.
To me this smells rotten. The state appears to have targeted an animal sanctuary and murdered the creature that was the draw for keeping it funded. It’s still too early to be certain, but the state seems to have wanted to shut the operation down. Was there a personal grudge? Was there corruption? Time will tell.
Kansas Elder, in New York state it is a legal violation to keep wildlife, as I understand from TNYT article.
And TNYT is no longer a credible source – you already claimed that TNYT claimed the warrant was issued because the squirrel bit someone – but multiple sources say TNYT has the timeline wrong.
I would note that I doubt there is some broad statute – even in the PRNYS prohibiting keeping of wildlife – that would make zoos, nature reserves all illegal.
It would also be a significant overreach of govenrment power.
Why do you think that any state should be alloud to dictate what animals someone can keep and which they can not.
Would fish farming be illegal ? What about most aquarium’s – public and home ?
How about keeping white mice ? In schools ? in labs ?
What about keeping rats in labs ?
What about rabbits – are they wild life or pets ?
Those of you on the left do not seem to grasp that the entire world faird much better if you just
MYOB
John Say, don’t be more of a fool than you can help. TNYT didn’t state that New York State operatives went after the squirrel because it bit somebody. You ought to have *read the article* to which I kindly provided a link for you. The aricle states that keeping wildlife is against state law. Presumably zoos are licensed operators and I presume that the squirrel’s keepers could have obtained a license.
A tiger was once found in an apartment in Harlem. That is a dangerous wild animal so one would want him removed under those circumstances. But they didn’t kill the tiger. They sent him to a zoo.
The squirrel was part of an animal rescue operation, so the laws should be different.
DBB – in new york it is illegal to keep DANGEROUS wildlife.
There are posts on Twitter right now claiming that if Trump posts on Peanut, that he will win new york.
I did not know anything about this squirrel and raccoon before this event.
Except that it is an example of Government f#$king up – and it appears not so innocently,
there SHOULD not be a political spin to this.
It should be pretty easy for those right and left to join in condemning a baseless police raid for which a warrant never should have been issued targetting an animal rescue group, and then KILLING their primary source of funding.
From what I am hearing the officer who was allegedly “bitten” was wearing leather gloves – a reasonable precaustion when you are going to forcibly take ANY pet away from its owner. My dogs would likely try to bite you if you forceably tried to take them away from me.
Regardless he was wearing leather gloves and it was not even close to possible for the squirrel to penetrate them.
There was no risk of passing ANYTHING much less rabies to the officer,
Further there is no recorded instance of a squirrel ever passing rabies to a human, and it is incredibly rare for squirrels or any other diunral mamal to get rabies.
This was a F#$K up.
No one left or right should be defending it.
The alleged tips that lead to the warrant were “anonymous” – you are not supposed to be able to get a warrant based on an anonymous tip.
The reasons for that should be obvious.
We trust allegations of crimes, because falsely alleging a crime is a crime.
If I report you to the police as a paedophile and they raid you find nothng, worse pretty much prove my allegation was a lie, I will be very lucky to avoid jail.
But if I do the same thing anonymously – the police have no recourse when they find the allegation is false.
This is why we courts are not supposed to grant warrants based on annonymous allegations.
More and More this is sounding like a dispute between the animal rescue and neighbors who were upset over the very existance of a animal rescue in a rural community.
More NIMBY nonsense.
And THAT is where it becomes political.
It is the LEFT that universally beleives that some of us should have the power to control other peoples lives.
Regardless, NYT should have condemned this. You should have condemned this.
Alternatively you could have ignored it.
Instead you doubled down on stupid neighbors not willing to even identify themselves trying to destroy the charitable efforts of someone else, because they wanted to control what their neighbors can do.
You and NYT have been wrong about the facts, and wrong about the law from the start.
And you wonder why today reporting from NYT is “garbage”
Squirrels are diurnal, rabies is almost exclusively spread by nocturnal animals.
I beleive there is no know case of rabies being transmitted by squirrels in the US.
Why don’t they euthanize Biden for biting babies?
DBB – the squirrel bit one of the people trying to capture it and take it away.
If you know anything about pets you know that you should not threaten them.
I will not guarantee you that either of my docile dogs will not bite you if you try to take them away.
This was also an incredibly stupid move – All you have done is in a wierd way confirmed the “Their eating the cats” meme.
Or more accurately – proven the left does not really care about pets.
Just as they do not care about fetus’s
So much for the “save the polar bears” crowd.
John Say, you need to visit with a mental health professional.
David
I heartily agree with that assessment of John Say.
He obsessively comments with insufferably long posts consisting of weird disconnected thoughts in rambling incoherent diatribes.
ATS – do not read if you do not want to.
Regardless, this is a specific thread.
DBB was wrong about the facts,
Wrong about the law,
Wrong about the morality.
Pretty much wrong by the numbers.
While prior experience tells us DBB needs no help getting pretty much everything wrong,
It should have been glaringly obvious to HIM when he was using NYT as a source.
I would further note, this whole thing should not have been a political story.
Red or Blue we should be united on this.
I have no idea if this police force is democrat or republican, if it is an a democratic red community or a blue one.
The actions of the magistrate and the police are an abuse of power.
Just today a child settled a lawsuit for 300K because the state illegally killed her pet sheep.
There is a potentially huge tort against the government here.
I would further note this is a LAW blog.
DBB made FALSE claims about NYS law – claims that did not pass the smell test.
Without looking up the NYS law it was still incredibly likely that DBB’s framing of the law was incorrect.
A law prohibiting keeping wildlife as pets would be constitutionally overbroad,
Further to get a Warrant it would have to be a CRIMINAL law.
States often have very stupid laws, but it is much rarer for stupid CRIMINAL laws. They get far more scrutiny.
Eventually I was able to find out that the real laws bars keeping DANGEROUS wildlife as pets.
That would be lions and tigers and wolves. And I suspect even Wolves are likely exempt unless they have DEMONSTRATED dangerousness.
While I think they are crazy there are a surprising number of people with Wolves as pets.
I would bet some of them are in NY.
Regardless, this is a law blog and as DBB has again demonstrated if you are getting your law from NYT – it is likely wrong.
DBB – so far – you have been wrong by the numbers on the FACTs, and wrong on the law.
I am not the one who is disconnected from reality.
I would further note that you and the NYT appear to be one the wrong side of popular opinion.
I knew nothing of these animals before this post, but aparently they are HUGELY popular raking in enormous amounts of money for this non-profit animal rescue operation.
In what world would YOU think it was a good idea for police to seek a warrant bassed on anonymous allegations targeting a hugely popular animal rescue operation and thn KILLING their main source of funding ?
Are those of you on the left really THAT DENSE ?
And you think I have a mental health problem ? Look in the mirror.
How much whacky weed are you smoking ?
While the popularity of these animals, and the fact that the money was going to a non-profit animal rescue should have caused you and the police and the courts to think twice before acting stupid.
More disturbing is this would still be WRONG if this was not an animal rescure and not a popular socil media pet.
If this squirel was just an ordinary but unusual pet – that is STILL no basis for a baseless warrant or the killing of the pet.
the DOJ estimates that 10,000 pets are killed by police each year.
This has happened multiple times in my community.
Rarely it happens because police raid a drug house and a dangerous dog attacks them.
More commonly they just kill dogs anytime they serve a warrant.
Dogs tied in back yards that are no danger to anyone are shot.
Dogs locked in bathrooms are shot. Dogs that are doing nothing are shot.
I thought those of you on the left cared about unjustified police violence ?
Here is an issue we could have common ground.
But aparently you whig out thoroughly because less than 100 blacks are killed by police each year,
Less than 10 are typically unarmed and less than half of those are not in self defense.
That is still to many, but it is not 10,000 dogs/yr.
John Say
“I WOULD FURTHER NOTE”, that the above rant is clear and convincing evidence of an ongoing mental health issue.
Who in their right mind would obsessively rant at length about a squirrel that may or may not have bitten someone.
You need help.
Kansas Elder, Accoredeing to TNYT the squirrel bit somebody.
No, read the story more closely. See above.
“Accoredeing to TNYT”
That should have been a giant red flag that something was wrong.
This will be the Kamala regime.
* All old movies that were great have been altered by DEI. Hitchcock movies are so destroyed with dubbed scenes not in the originals. Books and novels destroyed by DEI, too.
Just a tragedy really. Witness for the Prosecution destroyed. All of it gone replaced by junk. What a bad bunch.
Enjoy the holidays. Cheers to the Pilgrims!
👋
You need proof of how stupid Democrats think their voters are?
Allred commercial calls Texas’ abortion law, “Ted Cruz’s abortion ban”
WTF does a US Senator have to do with State law????? NOTHING
Here is how the Allred campaign explains it. https://colinallred.com/news/get-the-facts-ted-cruz-is-responsible-for-texas-abortion-ban/
So your source is a political campaign ?
Do I detect a little panic here????
Maybe you are starting to realize that Raphael Cruz, the interloping immigrant from Canada just might go down to defeat at the hands of a fourth generation son of Texas.
A quick search of polls has Cruz between 1 and 10 pts ahead.
The left has predicted Cruz’s demise repeatedly, but he typically wins “close”races by atleast 6 pts.
Maybe lightning will strike this time and some left wing nut wishful thinking will prove true.
But I would not bet money on it.
Would you ?
John Say
Why do you persistently simply make stuff up.
You need to stop listening to the voices in your head.
You say Cruz “typically wins close races by at least 6 pts”. This election is his third, first elected in 2012. His only other election was against O’Rourke in 2018, and he squeaked out a win by less than 3 pts.
Butrack Obongo and Camel Hairya–‘s “democracy” installs a president, bypassing the election process and merely consulting the Communist Politburo (i.e. General Sexretary Willy Brown).
They do things a little differently in Kenya.
Seems like the American Founders had a distinct and independent concept entirely and fully intended to:
“SECURE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO OURSELVES AND OUR POSTERITY.”
Do you see their “THEIR POSTERITY” anywhere around here?
I will never cease to be amazed at how FOOLish, hateful, fearful, vengeful, dumb, stupid, nasty, etc. some Ds will be — especially those with degrees from law schools and those whose egos take them into the political world (because they are not able to practice law in the “real world”).
Harris wins with between 340 and 380 EC votes.
Democrat incumbents hold all their Senate seats.
Rafael Cruz, the Canadian immigrant goes down.
Rick Scott, the biggest Medicare fraudster in history goes down.
Hawley goes down in Missouri.
Deb Fischer goes down in Nebraska.
Democrats flip many House seat, too numerous to list.
someone’s butt plug is not working so he comes here to get the exhilirating sensation his butt plug can not provide for now
Says someone with extensive experience of butt plugs.
Spastic Idiot. NY times has Sheehy up by 8.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha
In other news:
Ron Paul “Revolution” Reignites After Elon Musk Asks Libertarian Legend To Join Department Of Gov’t Efficiency
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ron-paul-revolution-after-musk-asks-libertarian-legend-join-department-govt
Holy Schniekes! Now, where is that 60 IQ braying jacka$$ multiple-simultaneous-partner-$odomy-addicted fool who lectured me yesterday that “If you were a real libertarian, you would never vote for Trump”?
Yeah! Real libertarians vote for illegal alien invaders to takeover America.
How would that go if actual Americans invaded and took over India and Kenya?
Why would Americans invade India or Kenya? The Brits already did that and look where they are now!
Point taken.
* untrue. The British set up a spice trade in Bombay via the consent of the Maharaja and Rajahs. They didn’t “invade”. It was an agreed upon outpost.
Libertarians are for LEGAL immigration. They are also for an end to all government entitlments – both for illegal immigrants and US citizens.
That would mean that there would be no way for immigrants to become a societal burden.
“Libertarians are for LEGAL immigration. They are also for an end to all government entitlments – both for illegal immigrants and US citizens.”
The only question is which comes first!
The usual suspects ran to X to decry a threat of violence, including Harvard Professor Laurence Tribe.
Apparently the Democrat Governor of Washington State, Jay Inslee, anticipates violence for the election. Consequently he activated the National Guard to support “local law enforcement”, what little there remains that is.
Inslee activates some Washington National Guard members to support public safety activities related to the 2024 elections
Our state depends on these skilled individuals for critical support to protect the public health, safety, and welfare…..
https://governor.wa.gov/news/2024/inslee-activates-some-washington-national-guard-members-support-public-safety-activities-related
Washington State Police has had trouble in meeting required number of officers, likely due to WA Democrats demonizing them.
Over the past several years, the Washington State Patrol (WSP) has struggled with maintaining its authorized level of 683 field force troopers. Its current workforce is nearly 25 percent shy of where it should be—and the WSP faces more than 100 potential retirements in the next few years.
https://housedemocrats.wa.gov/blog/2024/03/07/fey-bill-sends-bill-to-retain-experienced-washington-state-patrol-troopers-to-the-governors-desk/
so much for “defund the police”
Tribe is way tooo impressed with himself. He should have stuck with editing textbooks for law school students.
“Jay Inslee, anticipates violence for the election. Consequently he activated the National Guard “
If Trump is elected and there is violence he has the experience to handle it on a federal level while transferring his stiff neck to the governors. I think there will be less violence than expected.
If Trump is elected, the violence is likely to begin as soon as it is clear he has won. Biden the incompetent will still be president for another 3 months.
John, I didn’t consider the lame-duck period in my response. Nonetheless, I hope that knowing Trump will be President will help many governors cope with the violence and do a better job.
We can compare the violence from the election to the extended George Floyd riots that lasted far more than the three-month period we have to wait until Trump takes office.
Estovir, nobody in Washington state ‘demonizes’ the State Patrol. The State Patrol attempts to maintain safety on then roads, much appreciated. The staffing problem probably is due to insufficient pay.
DBB in Blue areas throughout the country there has been significant decline in law enforcement numbers – officers are retiring, new recruits are way down,
officers ineligable to retired are moving elsewhere.
Whether you like it or not – police in blue areas throughout the country do not beleive they are appreciated or respected.
This has worked out very well for red areas – because the officers who are leaving or not takeing jobs in blue areas are looking for jobs in red ones.
So we have a surplus of police, and the numbers available are keeping our costs down.
Seems the police – like many people will take lower pay to work places they are respected.
F these gd people. They are about to get what they deserve. 4 years of Trump.
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can’t be counted on to tell us
Who our enemies are
But they’re never the ones to fight or to die
Liz Cheney is a POS, just like her father.
I guess Jackson Browne should be arrested.
Along with Bob Dylan and CCR.
I used to get mad over this childish interpretation of law. Now, I just laugh at the stupid and get back to advocating for Trump. We’re gonna get these punks this time (and maybe we did last time) so be happy and really crush them. But in the spirit of benevolence, here’s a little liquid solace for them:
1oz fine brandy
1/3oz sweet vermouth
dash of bitters
1 Bada Bing black cherry, pitted,
stem intact for garnish
Classic Wisconsin recipe for a Manhattan cocktail.
Save the cinnamon sticks for Manhattans in a tumbler.
I intend to knock back a few on Tues night, when the Dems lose this one.
Hell, I may even invite the neighbors. 🍸
I’ll bring my Makers!
No case, just like the two convictions in NYC? The democrats will do what-ever is necessary
She’s an unqualified and incompetent ditz who did not participate in “democracy” but was installed by the likes of Willy Brown having lost every primary and election.
https://x.com/i/status/1852090414620127381
What are your objective criteria for qualifications for president?
Asking for a friend
Getting a vote?? She didn’t get one. Biden did. Why is he still president if he is too incompetent to be on trial, and run again?? Is Barry installing Kamala this time?? Seems the cheating is already happening in Georgia.
* Nail on the head.
“What are your objective criteria for qualifications for president?”
Does your little friend you’re asking for think presidents and vice-presidents should enforce existing federal laws when they took office? Would that be an objective criteria?
Like immigration laws and laws that provide jail sentences for criminal Illegal Aliens who continue violating federal laws after they’ve illegally and fraudulently entered the USA?
Remind your little friend that these sections of US law were in force when The Border Czar and Bribery Biden swore their oaths of office before walking into the White House:
Coles Notes For For Friends Who Are Useful Idiots Concerning Illegal Aliens
8 U.S.C. § 1325 (Improper Entry by Alien):
Where an illegal alien enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers. Yep, it’s a crime punishable by up to two years in jail as well as a fine. And civil penalties can be levied on top of that.
8 U.S.C. § 1302 (Registration of Aliens):
Federal law requires all aliens, including illegal aliens, to register their presence if they remain in the United States for 30 days or longer. A crime, punishable by both jail and a fine – and not subject to any statute of limitations.
18 U.S.C. § 911 (False Personation of a U.S. Citizen):
Illegal aliens presenting themselves as U.S. citizens. For example, an illegal alien claiming U.S. citizenship while applying for and/or after being employed. A felony,punishable by up to five years in jail.
18 U.S.C. § 1001 (Fraud and False Statements):
Illegal aliens making false statements to the government or on official documents submitted to purchase a firearm, obtain a driver’s license, benefits, employment, etc. An example would be completing and submitting the I-9 Employment Eligibility form or a form where required to purchase a firearm. A felony, punishable by both a fine and up to five years imprisonment.
18 U.S.C. § 1028 (Fraud and Related Activity in Connection with Identification Documents, Authentication Features, and Information):
Otherwise known as “false ID” as the most common criminal example of this. Simple possession is enough. A felony, with up to fifteen years in jail as the penalty.
26 U.S.C. § 7203 (Willful Failure to File Return, Supply Information, or Pay Tax):
If an illegal alien is working, not filing tax returns, and not paying taxes, that is a crime for them just as it is for legal residents and Americans. Fines and jail…
42 U.S.C. § 408 (Social Security Fraud):
This offence occurs when an illegal alien provides a false Social Security number for the purpose of acquiring a job, to acquire a driver’s license, in order to obtain Section 8 housing, as just a few examples. A felony, punishable by both a fine and up to five years imprisonment, as well as the court possibly ordering restitution.
50 U.S.C. App. 462(a) and 18 U.S.C. 3571(b)(3) (Refusing or Evading Selective Service Registration):
Illegal aliens, male, between 18 and 26. A felony, punishable by five years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines.
Actual American “natural born citizen,” of two parents who were citizens at the time of birth of the candidate, in stark contrast to a foreigner with foreign allegiances real or surreptitious as is the case with the anti-Colonialist, anti-American, African Muslim, Barack Hussein “Barry ‘I-Have-A-Statue-In-Jakarta’ Soetoro” Obongo.
To wit,
Law of Nations, 1758
BOOK 1, CHAPTER 19
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
So according to your theory, Cruz, Rubio and Jindal should have been excluded from consideration in the 2016 primary.
An IQ over 60. Sorry to dash your personal ambition.
An incompetent ditz to be sure, but if you think about it, Willy Brown was the last REAL job that Berkeley Girl had. She actually had to DO something. And old Willie took very good care of her that’s for sure……
OUCH! Skyraider, retract your claws. 😉
* Violence? Turn a TV. Go to movie.
He was referencing war. He is not a hawk. He is a self defender.
In the hoods you just run down people with a car. Right… the great society. Violence? Nungaray’s death. Layken Riley etc al….their lips are moving.
Off the net. Hmm out of the net.
Happy holidays if possible.
This is gibbsrish
* go to a movie, turn on a TV for violence. Only have one arm.
It’s raining cats and dogs. These people are stupid. No one can use hyperbole and just forget metaphor.
This is a shathole 3rd world if half the population is voting Democrat. The US is done. The future is States’ government. The problem is the feds.
There’s no Constitution left. Justice Breyer left the court and personally good riddance. Have children? So you can abuse them? Not on your life.
Gibberish
Life and times in America today definitely reflects the Obama movement to fundamentally transform America was not a fantasy.
* now Obama understands why he wasn’t wanted. It wasn’t racism. He IS a dumpster fire.
It might seem absurd to a lawyer but it has an effect on the minds of the prog/left sheeple and some low-IQ undecideds
The vast majority of commenters here appear to be male.
They also appear to be submissive beta-males, who roll over with their tails between their legs before their orange alpha-male leader.
The constant obsequious adulation and sycophantic bootlicking really is something to behold.
Female here — LOVE THE ORANGE MAN. TRUTH ALWAYS HURTS THE DEMOCRSTS.
You’re Mark Cuban’s wife?
Here we have lawn boy opining again. We lick boots he licks dick
They also appear to be submissive beta-males, who roll over with their tails between their legs before their orange alpha-male leader.
He’s arrived to participate here: Bolshevik Barack, The Mad Marxist Mulatto Clown.
Posting here to threaten black American men that they will be seen as beta males is they don’t vote with him for Vice President DEI Hire.
Nothing says “manly man” more than being the original Crackhead Kid and member of the dangerous Choom Gang, and being proud wife to Moochelle Obama.
Obama Tells Black Men They’re Sexist and Racist for Not Supporting Kamala
I’ve got a problem with that.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/obama-tells-black-men-theyre-sexist-for-not-supporting-kamala/
Old Airborne Dog
Seem to have hit a nerve here.
My comments seem to be a little close to home, so the submissive beta-male has to lash out to prove how manly he is.
Sad and pathetic.
If you steal Airborne valor, do you need an MOS, AWARDS, THEATER, AND CAMPAIGN?
If your service was with the Airsoft Commandos, did you learn those words from your Buggery Buddy?
Valor is an intangible that cannot be stolen.
Democrat beta male projecting again.
The TDS is strong in this one.
Turley,
You are missing the point. This is yet another example of Trump’s violent rhetoric, and it has no place in American civil society.
This is the same type of rhetoric that he used on J6 and it he loses, it will be the same type of rhetoric he will use again to try to take the presidency by force.
If it takes a real politician to speak with civility and cordiality to other politicians with different views, then call me a supporter of the “swamp.” Because without it, we have no real political discourse in Washington that actually lead to compromise.
Any one that calls Kamala a “radical” must look at this behavior from Trump and recognize that there is no reaching across the aisle with him.
Its not violent rhetoric, you fvcking retard. No sane person could interpret someone saying “pick up a gun, warhawk, because we like peace, as violent. Its the opposite of violent. This horseshit isnt even worth discussing
Hear hear
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If it takes a real politician to speak with civility and cordiality to other politicians with different views, then call me a supporter of the “swamp.”
If you’re just a swamper rather than a Democrat in a terminal state of hate and rage, tell us why you didn’t mention at the very least the violent rhetoric of Border Czar Harris?
Clearly your memory is so short term limited that you can’t remember just a few months before J6, when The Mostly Peaceful Insurrection launched an assault on the White House that went on for over a day. So serious that the Secret Service evacuated Trump and his family to an undisclosed nuclear bunker. While Democrats and the Media laughed and mocked Trump while cheering the violence.
If you don’t remember that event (and how could you not?), do you remember the violent rhetoric and absolute lack of civility from Biden and Harris?
Remember when she was the Senator telling Americans that the Democrats street thugs in Antifa and Black Liars & Marxists “… aren’t going to stop their rioting, pillaging, looting and burning – AND NOR SHOULD THEY!”
How can anyone seriously talk about “reaching across the isle” to groups whose stock in trade is channeling their behavior on to others, accompanied with one set of standards and expectations for those they support – and a completely opposite set for those they loath and hate?
That’s a rhetorical question: you can’t. The only thing you can do is crush them on election day, and hopefully Republicans will both win power and then have the spin to clean house of all of taht.
“Rap Game”
”I’ma get snuffed, cause I ain’t said enough to pipe down I pipe down, when the White House gets -iped out When I see that little Cheney -yke get sniped out Lights out, -itch adios, goodnight (-unshot) (AHH!)”
– Eminem
Rap Game
D12
Track 6 on 8 Mile (Expanded Edition)
Featuring
50 Cent
Producers
Denaun & Eminem
D12 express their feelings about the rap industry, and all of the controversy, and hardship that comes along with the Rap Game.
Oct. 29, 2002