Below is my column in The Hill on the growing calls for an organized resistance to the Trump Administration by Democratic governors and prosecutors. They may find, however, that the resistance movement this time around will be facing significant legal and political headwinds.
Here is the column:
The single most common principle of recovery programs is that the first step is to admit that you have a problem.
That first step continues to elude the politicians and pundits who unsuccessfully pushed lawfare and panic politics for years. That includes prosecutors like New York Attorney General Letitia James and politicians like Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, who affirmed this week that they will be redoubling, not reconsidering, their past positions.
For its part, The Washington Post quickly posted an editorial titled “The second resistance to Trump must start now.” They may, however, find the resistance more challenging both politically and legally this time around.
It is important to note at the outset that there is no reason Democratic activists should abandon their values just because they lost this election. Our system is strengthened by passionate and active advocacy.
Rather, it is the collective fury and delirium of the post-election protests that was so disconcerting. Pundits lashed out at the majority of voters, insisting that the election established that half of the nation is composed of racists, misogynists or domination addicts who long to submit to tyranny.
Others blamed free speech and the fact that social media allows “disinformation” to be read by ignorant voters. In other words, the problem could not possibly be themselves. It was, rather, the public, which refused to listen.
That does not bode well for the Democratic Party. As someone raised in a liberal politically active family in Chicago, I had hoped for greater introspection after this election blowout.
Ordinarily, recovery can begin with “a terrible experience” when someone hits rock bottom.
After a crushing electoral defeat and the loss of the White House and likely both houses of Congress, one would think that Democrats would be ready for that first step to recovery. However, those hoping for a new leaf on the left do not understand the true addictive hold of rage.
In my recent book, “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage,” I explore rage and our long history of rage politics. There is a certain release that comes with rage in allowing people to do and say things that you would never do or say. People rarely admit it, but they like it. It is the ultimate high produced by the lowest form of political discourse.
Over the course of the last eight years, the U.S. has become a nation of rage addicts.
For months, Democratic leaders denounced Donald Trump and his supporters as fascists and neo-Nazis. President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris and others suggested that democracy itself was about to die unless Democrats were kept in power.
Just before the election, New York Gov. Kathy Hochul called those voting for Trump “anti-American.” By Hochul’s measure, over half of the American electorate is now “anti-American.”
James is the face of lawfare. She may have done more to reelect Trump than anyone other than the president himself. She ran on nailing Trump on something, anything. In New York, she was joined by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg in this ill-conceived effort. They fulfilled the narrative of a weaponized legal system. Every new legal action seemed to produce another surge in polling for Trump.
Yet there James was, soon after the election, with another press conference promising again to unleash the powers of her office to stop Trump’s policies.
Then there was Pritzker, doing the community theater version of “The Avengers” and declaring, “You come for my people, you come through me.”
New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy (D) added that he too will “fight to the death” against Trump’s agenda.
Rather than lower the rhetoric, these rage-addicts ran out for another hit.
Our prior periods of rage politics were largely ended by the public in major election shifts like the one this month. Things, however, are different this time around both politically and legally. The problem for the resistance is the very democracy that they claimed to be saving.
Democrats lost after opposing policies supported by an astonishing share of the public at a time of deep political division. That effort included opposing voter ID laws favored by 84 percent of the public, among other things.
They are now committed to opposing policies central to this election blowout, including deportations of illegal immigrants, which is favored in some polls by two-thirds of Americans.
Likewise, Democrats have already doubled down on attacks on free speech, including blaming their loss on the absence of sufficient censorship. On MSNBC, host Mika Brzezinski blamed the loss in part on “massive disinformation.” Yet, according to some polls, free speech ranked as high as second among issues on Election Day.
According to CNN, Trump’s performance was the best among young people (18-29 years old) in 20 years, the best among Black voters in 48 years, and the best among Hispanic voters in more than 50 years.
Harris actually lost a bit of support with women, and Trump won handily among some groups of women.
None of that seems to matter this time. We have an alliance of political media and academic interests wholly untethered to the views of most of the public. Yet, with both houses of Congress under Republican control, the investigations and impeachment efforts that hounded Trump throughout his first term will be less of a threat in his second term.
For that reason, the center of gravity of the “second resistance” will shift to Democratic prosecutors like James, Bragg and Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who was just reelected.
Various Democratic governors are also pledging to thwart Trump’s policies despite the results of the election.
The “second resistance” will try to use state power to oppose the very issues and policies that led to this historic political shift. That means that there will be a legal shift in the focus of litigation to inherent federal powers versus state powers. That battle will favor the Trump administration.
In fairness to these Democratic politicians, they are certainly free to go to the courts, as Republicans did under Biden to argue for limitations on federal powers. But the promise of California Gov. Gavin Newsom to “Trump-proof” the state is easier to make rhetorically than it will be to keep legally.
Indeed, Trump will be able to cite a curious ally in this fight: Barack Obama. It was Obama who successfully swatted down state efforts to pursue their own policies and programs on immigration enforcement. Obama insisted that state laws were preempted in the area and the Supreme Court largely agreed in its 2012 decision in Arizona v. U.S.
Congress may even seek to tie the receipt of federal funds to states cooperating with federal mandates. For this reason, Democrats, who campaigned on the promise to end the filibuster for the good of democracy, suddenly became firm believers in that Senate rule right around 2:30 a.m. last Wednesday.
As the majority of the country walks away from the party shaking their heads, many activists are left only with their rage. Instead of reappraising the years of far-left orthodoxy and intolerance, some are calling to tear down the system or take drastic individual actions, including for women to break up with their boyfriends and husbands or to cut off their hair.
They will actually keep their rage and dump their relationships. Now that really is an addiction.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. He is the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
I’ll say it for you, Professor.
It’s not rage. It’s Dementia. Rage is but a symptom.
J
Now President Donald J. Trump MUST pull a full “Lincoln” and close the border, impose martial law, prosecute a war against the communist rebellion without a formal declaration, shred the Communist Manifesto and irrevocably extirpate all principles of communism in America, implement the “manifest tenor” of the Constitution and Bill of Rights including absolute freedom, absolute free enterprise, absolute free markets, and absolute private property including a fully constitutional dearth of taxation and regulation, eliminate the Departments of Labor, Education, Agriculture, Energy, HUD, and EPA, issue the “Deportation Proclamation” deporting all illegal aliens, past and present, including those who illegally pursued citizenship as criminal border crossers and “asylum” seekers who all made false and fraudulent claims of phantom, nonexistent persecution as foreign citizens with no U.S. rights, establish coherent voter qualifications by State legislatures per the Constitution, declare English the sole official language of the United States, suspend habeas corpus, smash opposition printing presses, networks, podcasts, social media platforms, etc., and throw anyone and everyone who opposes him in prison to Save the Union until America is placed squarely back on the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Now President Donald J. Trump must grab the bull by the horns and lead America.
In 2026 it will fall upon the voters in New York, Illinois, and California to come to terms with what they want their governors to be and how they wish for them to act. Hopefully, the voters will have tired of their governors’ unseemliness by then. They should not be so foolish as to think the movement away from progressive illiberalism will have abated by then. As Trump proves himself ever more amenable to moderate democrats, they will be best advised to clearly understand that they are next up for being turned out.
@Ron
I think so too.
The idiocy of their governance will be in stark relief to the rest of the prosperous country, even when their state freedoms are perfectly in tact; their profitable residents will have fled, and I suspect the rest of the Western world will take note (trust me: the WEF or UN or EU or whomever you’d like to name on the globalist docket absolutely care about the flow of dollars, and that is about to end. Anyone that thinks they were ever ‘humanitarian’ or ‘scientific’ is about to get a big wake up call).
No matter what happens henceforth – everything’s very different now, and it will not be a happy time for anyone that opposed honest freedom in every regard since 2008, and I mean that through law and geopolitical policy, not the juvenile and brain dead violence in the street of a city, perpetrated by a small minority of its residents (if they even are. Often the protestors are brought in from other states), the modern left espouses.
Even if there is never a mea culpa per se – the modern left is going to regret everything that has transpired since at the very least, the lock downs of 2020, but more likely, since 2008. It may very well be, even though he was awful, that Jimmy Carter was our last, honest, dem politician. They did not take Reagan’s overwhelming victory well back then, they will not take this well, either. If you must, go back to Nixon.
Suffice it to say: the writing is on the wall.
New Jersey, as well, Surprisingly, the last tally I saw showed that 46.5% of NJ voters picked Trump. That is a pretty good start, considering recent history here.
Even in states where Trump lost in 2020, he’s doing better now. The trend is moving in Trumps direction slowly. Four years from now the world will be a different place.
The Donald is a felon, 3 times over, in New York state law, where these particular crimes are of import due to Wall Street.
This is not merely so-called lawfare.
@David
Uh-huh. That really doesn’t work anymore. And from the supposed party of felony forgiveness, no bail, catch and release, defund the police, abolish the courts, the filibuster, and the electoral college, no less. Too late to try to assume some kind of moral high ground. Much too late. Quite literally no one outside of your echo chamber is listening anymore. You guys have fun fighting with each other in there. 😉
This is not merely so-called lawfare.
Yeah, go with that. Take your time. The longer you drag out your escape from reality, the more time will pass where you’ll become more and isolated in increasingly diminished numbers.
On Nov. 6 the most importnt jury in the country rejected the verdict of the Manhattan Jury.
It is only a matter of time before the courts catch up.
Nope.
They at the last-minute discounted the statute of limitations against DJT,
recategorized the charges from misdemeanors to “felonies”,
then held their kangaroo trial(s) JUST to have the pleasure of saying DJT is a “felon”.
Don’t be daft.
Very insightful comment, David. Thanks for contributing!!
“The Donald is a felon, 3 times over . . .”
One million votes per conviction. That explains his margin of victory in the popular election.
Thank you.
One of the funniest episodes of Happy Days was when Fonzi had to say he was wrong. He had to force the word from his mouth. Unlike the Democrats he admitted he was wrong. Unfortunately the Democratic Party is not just a comedy show but is a sitcom that wants to remove the genitalia from children and wants you to pay for it. It reminds me of the Syphilis experiment on black men. There were no proven treatments for syphilis when the study began. When penicillin became the standard treatment for the disease in 1947 the medicine was withheld as a part of the treatment for both the experimental group and control group. The experiment took place from 1933 until 1972. Don’t you understand! It’s all being done for the furtherance of scientific knowledge you hay seed.
Response to “the Resistance”
“Listen here, sweetheart”: Trump ally threatens NY AG Letitia James with “prison”
“We will put your fat a** in prison for conspiracy against rights,” Trump advisor Mike Davis declared
https://www.salon.com/2024/11/08/listen-here-sweetheart-ally-threatens-ny-ag-letitia-james-with-prison/
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Re: “Listen here, sweetheart”…What the Trump team needs is a MAGA version of Mark Elias, a ‘mouthpiece’ bereft of a high moral compass and exemplary of why the legal profession is obliged to be subjected to being the butt of deprecatory jokes. For what he has enabled the Democrat Party and its minions to perpetrate against this nation and it citizen, he deserves to be carbon frozen in perpetuity.
Turley: I’m beginning to feel sorry for you–everything you write is steered in such a way to promote your book, which is obviously not selling very well. Because of the election results, I predict your days as a MAGA pundit are numbered–they don’t need you anymore to convice the gullibles that Trump is a victim, or that Biden is taking away Constitutional rights, or that the prosecutions of Trump for stealing classified documents and starting an insurrection based on lies are invalid and based on politics, instead of respect for the rule of law.
You engage in extreme hyperbole–the election was not a “blowout”, a “crushing defeat” and the Democratic party has not “hit rock bottom” either. Nixon did much better–winning 49 of 50 states, and he didn’t lie like Trump or play the racism, xenophobia and misogyny cards. Obama did much better than Trump with the Electoral College. The election results were still very close, and you can’t deny that Trump lost the debate, refused to debate a second time, rambled and mumbled about nonsense like Hannibal Lector, Arnold Palmer’s penis and simulated fellatio with a microphone. You know that he lied about many things, especially migrants being murderers, rapists, overruning small towns and stealing and eating pets. Trump made ridiculous promises–like personal wealth will soar and grocery and housing costs will fall precipitiously–all without any plan–just like “Mexico will pay to build the wall”. You can’t deny the horribly racist and misogynistic lies that were told about Harris, either–AND this is the reason for resistance. Trump and his conduct are UNAMERICAN. Democratic governors have the right to refuse to use state resources to carry out what may well be illegal–summary arrest and deportation of undocumented people.
Turley sez: “We have an alliance of political media and academic interests wholly untethered to the views of most of the public.” WHAT “views of most of the public”? Trump’s approval rating was far south of 50% and Harris had a higher approval rating. Trying to claim that Trump won because people agree with him is intellectually dishonest–polls prove that most voters decide how to vote based on their economic interests—MAGA media managed to lie about the status of our economy–saying it was bad–even though all indicators proves that it is booming. Republicans pushed the false claim that higher grocery and housing costs means that we are on the brink of a depression, which is not true. Polls pre-election indicated that most Americans believed that our economy was in trouble and that America was headed in the wrong direction–all based on MAGA and Republican media lies. From “The Independent”:
“Inside a Pennsylvania arena, President-elect Donald Trump promised voters their incomes and net worth “would soar.”
The economy was among the top concerns for voters in the 2024 presidential election and the Trump campaign’s messaging cut through. As of this morning, more than 73 million Americans have voted for him to return to the White House.”
2024 was not a battle between valid opposing views on key issues–it was a battle between lies, misogyny, xenophobia, all driven by hatred, doing anything necessary to obtain pardons for crimes committed by Trump versus a vision to continue the progress started by Biden to continue growing our economy and helping the middle class succeed, create intergenerational wealth, helping first time home buyers and first time parents and getting corporations to pay their fair share of taxes. And, Turley, you KNOW that migrants who come here seeking asylum are NOT “illegal”–they have been assigned court cases. It is not illegal to come to America and ask for asylum. But for Trump getting Republicans to ditch the Border Security bill, we would have more judges, and more Border Patrol agents and be on the way to helping clear the backlog of cases–but Trump calls these people “murderers, rapists, criminals, animals and vermin” and wanted to run on this fake issue, so he got Republicans to refuse to vote for it. He promises to, somehow, spend $350 billion of our money to arrest, incarcerate and deport them. Just today his “border czar” said that if children of migrants were born here, that families will be separated or the children, who are American citizens, will have to be deported, too. Turley hasn’t addressed Trump’s BS lie that he can sign an Executive Order to take away birthright citizenship from this children-but, the Constitution is clear–he can’t. Turley tries to make the case that “rage” all comes from Democrats–but are Democrats the ones who start insurrections when they don’t get their way? Do Democrats refused to relinquish power, refuse to cooperate with the transition and refuse to attend their successor’s inauguration? But, now, Turley has a book to sell, so he has to keep up the attacks–I’d start saving if I were you, Turley, because they’re not going to need you much longer to support the swill Fox serves up.
* prof Turley, gig ee here is AI. please delete her posts and thank you
Naw, she’s been around on this blog a lot longer than AI has been widely available (and she’s too stupid to work inside the AI market). One of the ugliest, hateful, vengeful, and dumb HUMANS on this site. Projects a great deal about her own self image by the insults she hurls. Transparent as all hell.
Re:” prof Turley, gig ee here is AI. please delete her posts and thank you” Did it even come up for air!?!?!
Marxists disguised as Democrats will continue to promote their values, and conservatives will continue to promote theirs, in spite of the election.
However, there’s one big distinction: conservatives must do battle with two political foes, i.e., the Democrat Party and the GOP. Such is the greatness of Trump’s brand of Americanism that he doesn’t really identify himself with any label such as conservatism, or nationalism, or even Republicanism, other than acknowledging that the Republican Party was the only viable vessel through which he could champion and effectuate his agenda of common sense by putting “America First,” and by instituting a return to the values that made America great.
Oh geesh, Gigi.. we should all have such time.
Turley’s book is rated 4.7 on Amazon 4.5 on goodreads, #4 in constitution
Seems to be doing fine.
I didn’t see it on the NYT Best Sellers list. Ratings come from those who purchased the book–that doesn’t have much to do with whether the book is selling well.
You can find the book on Amazon and you can find its sales data on Amazon.
Once upon a Time the Times Best Sellor list ACTUALLY had something to do with sales.
It has not for some time.
Turley is a reputable tenured law professor at GW
He is a practicing lawyer
He is a paid expert used by the media – Fox, the Hill, NewsNation and others – he used to be used byt eh MSM but they do not want views they do not like anymore.
He is a published writer.
He is a paid columnist.
Any of these likely provides a decent living.
You seem to think he is going bankrupt.
But then you thought Trump was going bankrupt.
Turley is NOT respected among all legal professionals–just read the blog “Above the Law” and its frequent criticism of Turley. He is on MAGA media now because he must need the money and mainstream media doesn’t want him.
I don’t think Turley is going bankrupt, and I didn’t say that he was–I said that if I were he I would not count on the MAGA media income much longer because they don’t need him anymore to sell the story that Trump is a victim of “lawfare”, or that Biden is censoring MAGA media.
Trump HAS gone bankrupt-6 times so far, and because he lies about his assets on loan applications and financing statements, many economists believe that his assets are underwater–meaning that he owes more than they are worth.
Turley is NOT respected among all legal professionals…
Who said he was? Clearly there are those in the legal profession that have a different worldview of the law than JT. I would argue however that they do respect him in the same way our foreign adversaries respect President-elect Trump vis-à-vis President Biden.
Olly: tell us, WHAT “foreign adversaries” ever claimed to “respect” Trump or disrespect Biden? Trump is in bed with Putin–proven by the fact that Putin helped him cheat in 2016, Trump sided with him in Helsinki over his own head of intelligence, and Trump tried to bully the G7 into taking Russia back–they refused. He embarrassed the US when he pushed ahead of other leaders for a photo at a summit, and when he pushed ahead of Queen Elizabeth, which is a serious breach of protocol. Biden, on the other hand, pulled together our EU and NATO allies to form a united front against Putin–something Putin didn’t count on. They also enacted sanctions against Russia. Trump insulted our NATO allies and kisses up to former KGB officer Putin.
🤔 Hmmm? Under what administrations did Russia invade Ukraine territory? Let me see, that’s right, Obama and Biden. I guess that was a clear sign they didn’t respect Trump enough to invade during his administration. 🤪
No Putin did not help Trump cheat in 2016 – you are clueless – AFTER all the dust settled and the Truth finally came out – Only Clinton actually colluded with Russians, and the ACTUAL National Intelligence Assessment made BEFORE the election was that Putin favored clinton.
Yes Trump rejected the advice of US government intelligence experts – The Trump WH was paying US Private Intelligence experts – people like VIPS who CORRECTLY estimated NK’s nuclear capability when CIA was totally off base.
Trump did not “side ” with Putin. He sided with the FACTS – when the CIA was WRONG.
Or is it your position that the president MUST follow the CIA blindly no matter what ?
Like when they told us that Sadam Hussein had WMD’s ?
When they blew it on the bay of Pigs ?
When they Missed the Tet offensive ?
When they Missed the Yom Kippur War ?
When they Botched the Iranian Revolution ?
When they botched the Soviet invassion of Afghanistan ?
When they Botched the collapse of the USSR ?
When they botched indian nuclear tests ?
When they botched 9/11 ?
Need I go on ?
Do you know anything at all about ANYTHING that you write about ?
Can you name a SINGLE time the CIA was RIGHT ?
From the collapse of the USSR forward – Rather than trying to expand NATO US policy SHOULD have been to get Russia to Join Europe.
Absolutley Russia is problematic – so are other US allies like Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
The reason that Russia was not brought into Europe is that the Cold WArriors in the US “deep state” lose power if there is no global adversary.
It was necescary to have a boogey man for the US to keep fighting.
And it was necescary for it to be Russia – because the most important desks in US intelligence and foreign policy were the USSR desks,
and none of them spoke mandarin.
Russia is a beligerant nation with way too many nukes – we have plenty of allies that are no better than Russia.
They are a failing state and but for their nukes will be irrelevant in a decade.
The largest global threat today is China. The Ukraine invasion is inconsequential compared to what would with certainty be a DIRECT super power conflict with China should Xi try to invade Taiwan.
The most likely potential global conflict that is ACTUALLY in US interests – would be Xi invading Taiwan.
You can cheer on Ukraine – but whether Ukraine topples to Russia has no effect on US national security
Everything about Taiwan does.
The good news is that China is likely in collapse too. Though the collapse of China is Far more dangerous than the collapse of Russia.
It has not been a week since Trump was elected.
The Houthis have ended their attacks on Shipping in the Red Sea.
Qatar is throwing out Hamas Billionaire leaders.
Iran is ratchetting down.
Zelensky and Putin are in the preliminaries of peace talks with Trump.
Mexico has sent troops to the border at Trump’s request and has reimposed a defacto remain in mexico policy.
The EU announced they are buying even more LNG from the US rather than Russia.
These are just a FEW of the foreign policy shifts that have taken place as a result of Trump’s election.
And it has not been a week.
BTW there are ALOT more.
I have no idea what your definition of “respect” is.
What I do know is that the mere thought of Trump as president causes leaders all over the world to toe the line in ways favorable to the US.
I do not give a schiff if they LIKE Trump.
I care greatly that the US gets what is best for the US.
Trump delivers on that.
Except for the fact that Biden torpedoed the possible peace deal in March 2022, and blew up Nord II Biden has done Squat.
The US has come up with the lions share of resources.
And Ukraine is a national security issue for EUROPE not the US.
Of course the Europeans united. We could have stayed out of this and they would have united.
Has Above the law been right about ANYTHING ?
Above the law is respected by left wing nuts who read into the constitution and law whatever they want. They ARE the problem.
The FACT that you consider idiots who have NEVER been right aboutr ANYTHING to be respected legal scholars exposes you as a complete moron
Except we already KNEW that.
You might as well be here defending Pol Pot.
You are completely clueless – you constantly hold in high regard idiots who have been WRONG about absolutely everything.
Please cite a signle legal scholar that has been CORRECT as frequently as Turley ? I can name a few – but you would not know any of them – they are not left wing nuts.
I would note – that I actually have a clue in this area. I have not met or corresponded with Turley directly – but I have met or coressponded with people like Larwrence Tribe – who before he was sucking up to Obama to get on the supreme court was a good though left leaning Constitutional schollar. I have read his text on constitutional law, and the position that I have argued HERE on abortion is the one he argued in his Con Law Text. Of course like so many credible liberals two decades ago – he is now either red pilled of a left wing nut. Paul Krugman actually earned his Nobel – before he went nuts
I have met people Like Bryan Stevenson, or even Larry Krasner. I know many of the leading law professors from UofP – I have talked with Elizabeth Warrne when she was a business law professor at Penn – and not a let wing nut politician. I know personally most of the very best civil rights, criminal defense and constitutional lawyers in Pennsylvania.
I followed Elie Mystal before he fell off the left edge of the world. He was in an excellent debate on Free speech sponsored by the EFF – before he became a lunatic left wing nut and though he lost, he made several excellent points.
I have corresponded with and debated people like Lawrence Lessig.
Every single person I mentioned above is a LIBERAL. A few have fallen off the left edge of the world.
I have also corresponded with libertarians Rischard Epstein and Randy Barnett.
Turley is one of the most respected constitutional scholars i the US – and he has been FOR DECADES.
he has had articles published in The New York Times, The Washington Post, USA Today, the Los Angeles Times, and the Wall Street Journal.
He often is a guest on Sunday talk shows, with more than two-dozen appearances on Meet the Press, ABC This Week, Face the Nation, and Fox News Sunday. He served as a contributor on Countdown with Keith Olbermann from 2003 until 2011 on MSNBC, and later on Current TV in 2011 and early 2012.
Since the 1990s, he has been a legal analyst for NBC News, CBS News, the BBC and Fox News, covering stories that ranged from the Clinton impeachment to presidential elections. He is on the board of contributors of USA Today and is a columnist with The Hill.
He has been testifying before congress – as a DEMOCRAT witness for decades until recently.
Are you going to say that Alan Derschowitz – one of the most famous living liberal lawyers in the country is MAGA ?
Gigi,
You had better hope you never need a lawyer – because your idea of competence will get you a life sentence.
The good professor’s book is so popular, it is on it’s fourth printing and the publisher is struggling to keep up.
“You engage in extreme hyperbole–the election was not a “blowout”, a “crushing defeat” and the Democratic party has not “hit rock bottom” either. ”
The election was NOT a blowout – the other adjectives are correct.
It was a complete shock to those on the left, it is an absolute rejection of the left.
Worse still it is part of a trend – Republicans have been consistently gaining about 1M votes/yr since 2012.
Democrats have gained 250K votes/yr over the same period – EXCEPT 2020 – which increasingly looks fraudulently impossible.
It is delf evident to anyone with a brain that Democrats MUST change something.
They are STEADILY losing more and more minority voters each cycle.
Absent a catastrophic failure on the part of Republicans – this is the last national election that Democrats could have won.
” you can’t deny that Trump lost the debate”
I can and do. Trumps numbers went up after, Kamalas went down.
Even Democrat focus groups found that Harris lost ground.
I do not care how pundits scored the debates anymore than I care how the ppolsters who got the past 3 elections wrong did.
” refused to debate a second time”
He got the win he needed.
Harris begging for another debate is a concession that Trump won.
As to the rest of your election claims:
TRUMP WON
PERIOD.
He did not cheat.
All the debates about various remarks and who won the debate and … is all inside baseball for those plotting the next campaign
You are debating the most important moments in a Superbowl – AFTER the game is over.
Interesting, but it does not change the outcome.
“You can’t deny the horribly racist and misogynistic lies”
Not only can I, and Do I, but it is EXACTLY that kind of nonsensical claim that is WHY Democrats lost.
Resist all you want.
The voters have spoken – they voted for the Trump/GOP platform.
“resist” that at your peril.
Should Trump act ounlawfully, unconstitutionally or outside that mandate – I expect nothing less than your full throated resistance and in the unlikely event that happens – I will join you.
” Trump and his conduct are UNAMERICAN.”
Voters decided the opposite – they decided that Democrats were UNAMERICAN.
I would strongly suggest looking at exit polls and the demographics of the electorate.
The #1 issue was Democrats have gone too far left.
#2 The economy – people do not beleive YOU.
“Democratic governors have the right to refuse to use state resources to carry out what may well be illegal–summary arrest and deportation of undocumented people.”
If you are here illegally – your deportation is legal.
” WHAT “views of most of the public”? The 75M people who voted for Trump.
“Trump’s approval rating was far south of 50% and Harris had a higher approval rating.”
So ? They voted FOR Trump and AGAINST Harris.
“Trying to claim that Trump won because ….”
Exit polls tell us WHY people voted for Trump.
We do not need to engage in your specualtion.
#1 – Democrats went too far left.
#2 – The Economy
Those are BOTH reasons the country is headed in the wrong direction.
Trump’s Plaform is quite clear – people KNOW what they gave him a mandate to do.
I would note your idiotic arguments about the economy are STUPID
First People Believe the economy sucks.
Send they are RIGHT
YOU are the one with delusional beleifs regarding the economy
Biden/Harris administration figures CONFIRM that the average family LOST 3500/yr during the Biden administration.
BTW all Trump needed to do to end the lawfare – was to decide not to run.
The lawfare started AFTER Trump started running for president.
Trump does not need any pardons.
Yes Voters REJECTED Harris’s “vision” to continue Biden’s disasterous policies.
You keep talking about what Biden/Harris SAY they were doing.
People are NOT Stupid. Working class americans LOST 3500/yr under Biden/Harris.
They do not beleive YOU
“migrants who come here seeking asylum are NOT “illegal”–they have been assigned court cases. ”
That does NOT make them “legal”. They are only “legal” if they are granted asylum. Normally about 25,000 people a year are granted assylum – that is about 1% of applicants.
The REST are deported.
Even under Biden/Harris it is only 5% that are granted assylum.
The requirements to get assylum are REALLY strict and very few people meet them.
If you do not like that – change the law – just as Trump does now, you controlled the house, the senate and the presidency for 2 years.
You could have changed assylum laws.
BTW Even Fetterman said the democrats Border Bill was garbage and advised Democrats to just pass HR2 – the House Republicans bill.
Democrats could have stemmed the political bloodshed by taking Fettermans advice. If HR2 had been voted on and passed in the senate and signed by Biden there is nothing Republicans could have done.
It is expected that HR2 will be reintroduced in January an reach Trump’s desk quickly.
When you claim it will cost 350B to deal with illegal immigrants – you are ADMITTING that YOU Cost the american people $350B.
Regardless, Homan has been appointed Border Czar and has said that while he may ask for SOME additional resources – that so long as the Border is quickly closed,
ICE is CURRENTLY up to the task of constitutionally and legally deporting illegal immigrants.
Even Obama and Biden with the CURRENT CBP/ICE budget were able to deport 1M people per year.
The problem is NOT deporting people. It is letting millions in each year.
“Just today his “border czar” said that if children of migrants were born here, that families will be separated or the children, who are American citizens, will have to be deported, too.”
Did not say that.
The FEW illegal immigrants that have given birth to children while in the US, will be a special case problem that we will have to deal with.
But it is a SMALL problem.
Assuming there are 10M new illegal immigrants in the past 4 years, and that half of them are women, and that half of them are between 14-44, and that they have 64 children per 1000 woment – the hispanic norm in the US, that is 2500 children who are US citizens per year, or 10,000 total children. Assuming familes of 5 – that is 50,000 illegal immigrants who MIGHT be an issue. – Out of 10M.
Not a very big problems.
I do not recall Trump claiming he can take away birthright citizenship by executive order – that would ATLEAST require an act of congress and probably a constitutional amendment.
Regardless it is not happening.
But the problem is NOT all that large – UNLESS 10-20m illegals are allowed to remain here for a decade.
In the unlikely instance in which an illegal immigrant committs a serious crime – his Family will have to decide whether they stay or return home with him as he is deported.
The child will retain US Citizenship regardless.
“Turley tries to make the case that “rage” all comes from Democrats”
Because it does.
If as you claim the protests on J6 2021 were an insurrection – then the potests in 2017 were, and the likely ones in 2025 were and the kavanaugh protests were, and the portests for 100 straight says in portand were, and all the BLM riots were.
“Do Democrats refused to relinquish power”
If you beleive that Trump is actually Hitler, a Facist, a dictoator, all the other things you said – then you should NOT relinquish power.
You should insurrect.
But you are not going to – because your lying and you know it.
“ Even Obama and Biden with the CURRENT CBP/ICE budget were able to deport 1M people per year.”
No, that’s false. The highest number of deportations was 402,000 in 2012. They never deported 1 million people per year.
First you say the Green New deal and the Inflation causation act funds will take care of the funding problem, but there were no such acts. John Say, you keep making things up. Why the sudden change?
The FACT that the $6T programs that Biden passed that caused inflation to spike have differerent and ironic names does not change that my labels are accurate.
As to deportations – please check out testimony by ICE before congress in both the Biden and Obama administrations.
I beleive the CORRECT figure was 1.42M deportations in the PEAK year. BTW that is CBP and ICE combined.
There were 2.9M deportations in Obama’s first 4 years – that is MORE than 402K/year – it is neatly 1M/yr.
I would Note that Homan would be acting with the full support of CBP and ICE and with people intending on SUCCEEDING as opposed to Obama/Biden who were models of governmnt inefficiency.
The very LEAST that HOMAN can do with ZERO additional resources is match the peak Obama/Biden numbers.
Deportations were LOWER under Trump’s first term – because the border was shutdown and there were not 21M New Illegals.
Right NOW there are 1.3M people that have been sent deportation notices that the Biden admin can not seem to deport.
Regardless I think you will find it amazing what ICE can do when the rest of the executive branch is not thwarting them.
Separately it is the LEFT that estimates the cost to be $88B – but We are currently paying $150B/year in federal funds ALONE for services to illegals.
So there is PLENTY of money.
Personally I do not expect Homan to deport more than 1M people/yr.
Though I do expect much larger numbers than that to “self deport”.
We are already seeing illegals leaving.
If they get out before they are deported they can apply to immigrate legally and have SOME chance of getting in.
If they are deported they will NEVER get in.
Gigi, Democrats – not just Harris LOST, and they lost fairly big. This was a SWEEP election.
The fact that YOU lost, and that YOU did not see this coming, is evidence that you are clueless and do NOT understand the electorate.
Rather than lecture the rest of us as to why – we are all stupid, and the country was duped and your still right.
MAYBE you should think a bit about WHY you lost ?
Hint – it was NOT because 75M people were mesmerized by lies by Trump.
Voters Told us WHY they voted for Trump.
#1 – Democrats were captured by their own extreme left.
#2 – the economy
#3 – Endless wars.
If you want to win elections in the future – you need to figure out how to appeal to the people.
The DAY before the eleciton – you and others were telling us all that you KNEW how to appeal to voters.
That Trump and everyone else was wrong and you were right.
The election is over. You got it wrong.
You can keep repeating the claims you made before the election – but they are not any better now than before.
Try figuring out YOUR problem.
It is not everyone else’s job to correct your delusions.
Republicans lost in 2008. Without the financial crisis McCain likely would have eaked out a win – as Bush had done twice before.
But the days of Republicans sweeps were over and Ruy Texiera was correct – without changes the GOP was headed for permanent status as the loyal opposition.
But Some Republicans – immediately after the 2008 election sought to change the party such that it would appeal to the majority of voters. That meant appealing to minority voters.
They did that NOT by doing as Democrats have done – by Pandering to voters based on race and sex, but by appealing to them on policies.
And whether you like it or not – they have been VERY successful at that. Brown surprisingly won Ted Kennedy’s seat in Massachusets – even though he was unable to hold it long.
But that demonstrated that Republicans COULD successfully broaden their base and that democrats had GONE TOO FAR.
The message that Democrats – Obama was out beyond his mandate was entirely missed by democrats,
and you are blind to that today.
Many have tried to tell you you are full of schiff.
75M voters just gave you the middle finger – a large and growing number of them black, hispanic, jewish, muslim. asian.
Resisting American rejuvenation is something the Dems have been doing since November 4, 1980. So they have 44 years of experience. But America somehow manages to rejuvenate in spite of such efforts.
Triage- save what can be saved. 27 States? Good save and ignore the rest.
Have a good veteran’s day
Even California is turning Red again – SLOWLY
We can save all 50 over time.
But it becomes harder and slower each time. We really do need to stop the periodic backsliding, or one day in the not too far distant future, a remedy really will elude us.
* it’s an octopus of dishonesty. It’ll take many years to get the land back from foreign ownership and then self reliance in food supply and fuel. Many hands make easy work.
The left are thieves and murderers and use the poor to distract and ruin. Get manufacturing up and running.
You can do it!
From Monsignor Ronald Knox: ‘Let Dons Delight’, “It is stupid of modern civilization to have given up believing in the devil, when he is the only explanation of it”.
The Democrats are now accustomed to signing the same song over and over and over again, their brain though limited is stuck in a repetitive gear. Edna St Vincent Millay: “It’s not true that life is one damn thing after another – it’s one damn thing over and over.”
The foolishness of the left after wetting their bed to still deny the vote is simply astounding!!!
* Surely you’re aware of Ted Kocynsky the unabomber? He attended Harvard at age 16 as a math genius. He was subjected to humiliation experiments in the psychology department perhaps combined with Harvard professor Timothy Leary and LSD? One could say that’s the devil.
Ted has passed away now. You’re nothing but a rat in the big experiment of life and tv and radio and net noise boxes. Who survives? Huh?
You’re dealing with major problems. Peace, love and joy to you and yours
There’s no question that deportations will cost some money. New York’s Mayor Adams has said that housing illegal immigrants will cost the city four billion dollars and will bankrupt the city. Low skilled illegal immigrants will be on the welfare rolls for many years to come. The same thing is happening in sanctuary cities across the nation. Adams just had the courage to say it out loud. It’s the same old story. How could the Republicans be so cruel? The guilt of cruelty should be with those who allowed it to happen and put the burden of supporting the illegal immigrants on the backs of the American people. It’s not surprising that they try to lay a guilt trip on their political rivals when it was their doing in the first place. The American people are a generous people but they have finally said that enough is enough.
ICE has been deporting 1M people per year under current budgets and law for a long time – well into the Obama years.
If you actually shutdown the border you can REDUCE illegal immigrants by 1M a year with ZERO changes. and no additional money.
But if you let 5M/yr in – then illegals increase by 4M/yr.
Further as Homan notes – toughen things up0 and they self deport – which is the cheapest solution.
Anyone deported loses the ability to come to the US PERMANENTLY.
If you leave without being caught, you can try to get in legally.
“ ICE has been deporting 1M people per year under current budgets and law for a long time – well into the Obama years.”
No, they haven’t. You don’t provide any supporting evidence. Lying about it is not helping your argument.
CNN, Congressional testimony in both the obama and biden administration.
George,
You lost the current election – because people do not believe you.
Your the little boy who cried wolf.
Now the wolf has come.
Absolutely NOTHING you say about immigration matters.
Absolutely nothing CNN or MSNBC or CBS says – matters.
What matters is how the people who voted for Trump respond as deportations scale up.
Few will care about the crying and gnashing of teeth on the left.
Personally I do not beleive that Trump can deport 2/year without too much blowback from his own supporters.
While 75M people voted t deport EVERYBODY who came in illegally in the past 4 years – between 15-21M people.
If Trump/Homan could deport 5M people a year – many of the same people who voted for it would be crying over some of the sob stories on the media.
The really big deal is closing the border. Biden has actually started that process. Trump has already gotten Mexico to stop people at its own southern border and at our southern border.
illegals coming in will dry up fast. getting to zero is impossible, but WAY down. Finishing the wall will be another order of magnitude drop – but that will take time.
There is also a hidden issue – until something raises US birth rates – the US needs about 2M immigrants per year – we only allow 1M legal immigrants.
We need to increase legal immigration – which though Trump has said he supports is likely a nonstarter, or allow some illegal immigration.
But we have a 15-20 year suppoly of excess immigrants from the biden/harris admin – so that is not a pressing problem.
Can and will Trump deport large numbers of illegal immigrants ? Absolutely.
Can and Will he deport 15-21M ? Not a chance.
My guess is we will see 1M actual deportations/yr and another 1M self deportations -probably MUCH more in 2025 and less after.
Those numbers are high enough for Trump to say he is keeping his promise – so long as he slows NEW illegal immigration to a trickle.
Without causing much political blowbak – outside the left wing.
Neither Trump nor anyone making decisions cares what YOU think – or MSNBC.
But they will care when Trump supports start crying over deportations.
That far more than costs will be what matters.
But, J T , the Democrat Party has fundamentally transformed to embrace the ideology of Saul Alinsky, Cloward-Pivens and George Soros. And, there aint no turning back (for now).
I have no idea what the left is planning to “resist”.
In the incredibly unlikely event that Trump proves to be an actual fascist or acts truly lawlessly – I will be joining with all those that seek to reign him in.
If various democrats are preparing for that highly unlikely fight – more power to you.
But if they are seeking to fight against the lawful and constitutional implimentation of the mandate Trump has – that will harm them.
Voters voted for an end to this woke nonsense. That was top of the list in exit polls.
Democrat attempts to thwart that are at their peril and will earn even more of the ire of voters.
Trump has a mandate to take on the “enemy within” – americans know who that is, and they know it is not ordinary people.
Interfere with cleaning house within the deep state at your peril.
Absolutely truly non-partisan civil servants who had nothing at all to do with this idiotic lawfare and censorship of the american people, who competently did their jobs without partisan bias. should have the protections afforded by the civil service.
But if you acted partisan in your job – you should not be surprised to be replaced by a republican partisan.
If you participated in the political weaponization of government power and the censorship industrial complex you should leave now and pray that you are not prosecuted for crimes against rights.
Democrats should read the Trump/GOP platform. That is the Trump/GOP mandate. That is what you can expect those coming into power will be doing.
That is what voters empowered them to do.
John Say resist? You can’t own a car little person. Get a donkey.
non sequitur,
ad hominem
Lighteredknot says: DT should appoint a new AG and then let AG set up GITMO Tribunals and start with Obama (Susan Rice said obama wanted to be kept in the loop) and have prosecution trials of all the coup attempting corruptors. Until the system (DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, NIA, et als) has been purged, it is going to continue with the Deep State”.. DT best stay safe as possible (from assassination attempts) and hire food tasters.
Why are they still voting and counting votes in California? When the counting is over in Calif and Arizona, the Dems will control the HOUSE you can wager on tha
There is a seat left in AZ and one in AK that are not finished yet. Both are near certain to go to Republicans. That will reach the magic 219 number.
After that there are 3 seat in CA where the republican has atleast a 1pt win with 25% of votes left, and anothe r4 where the republican is behind by 1pt with 25% of votes left.
These are all in PINK areas of CA.
A GOP house is at this point near certain. How much wiggle room there is , is more of an issue.
Are you saying 219 instead of 218 because of Elise Stefanik?
Sorry – should be 218. So Republicans are 1 seat shy of a majority right now.
RCP says they are +2 right now – that means they will likely gain 2 seats over
Right now (this session) Republicans have 220, democrats have 212 and there are 3 vacancies.
Thus far for 2025 Republicans have 217, Dems have 208 With 10 seats undecided.
Republicans will likely win AK1, AZ6. CA13 CA41 CA45
for a total of 222 – that will give them a 9 seat majority – if there are no vacancies.
Currently they have an 8 seat majority with 3 vacancies.
It is possible that Republicans lose some of those I listed above.
It is also possible that they win some of the CA seats they are trailing but close in that I did not list.
But it is nearly 100% certain they have a majority.
Stefanic will be replaced quickly with a republican.
There will be a special election in NY21 in april and that district is 60% republican.
This is going to be a major factor in Trump appointments.
This is likely Why Trump asked the GOP senators if they would give him an opportunity for a large number of “recess” appointments.
He can put Republicans into positions requiring confirmation Temporarily that are NOT representatives or Senators.
Trump is unlikely to appoint republicans who were elected in close races or republicans where the GOP might lose a special election or whee Democrat Governors can appoint their replacements.
A large slate of recess appointments allows Trump to keep MOST of the senate and house he has.
Pass legislation, and THEN replace acting appointments with permanent appointments from the house and senate.
Accomplished legislators moving from positions in Congress open the field to new Republican blood. This is an excellent idea, demonstrating a person looking into the future. Trump just has to be careful that he moves the right people to the right places and doesn’t leave openings for Democrats.
Apparently the GOP locked the house today.
Now they are growing their majority.
What matters is business! Your gov of bleach blond bad body butch baby girl is a waste of money.
There’s TWO systems: political and economic. What don’t you understand?
The first appt of chief of staff is a little too identity politics right now. It’ll look bad when gramma is YOU’RE FIRED happens.
I’d like to call out the big merchant chiefs to STEP UP.
It turns out that it wasn’t Trump who put the nation through hell for the last nine years. The voters have come to realize that it was the resistance from the Democrats that kept the nation on edge. It was all orchestrated by one of the most vindictive women to enter politics in American history. Her legacy will always be remembered as the RussiaHoax that she birthed from thin air. America filled in the ovals pressing harder and making sure that the ovals were completely filled in with their anger pressed to the paper. Never forget what they did to you.
First they lied about the Russia collusion hoax.
Then they lied about Covid 19.
Then they lied about Joe’s mental senescent.
I was supposed to believe that Kamala sharp and popular.
Perhaps I am beginning to catch on.
Senescence.
The progressive ideologues of this nation, starting as far back as the first “progressive” president woodwrow wilson, have managed to create a society half-filled with citizens who have the emotional age of a toddler and act accordingly. Others, such as Dr. Spock, Madalyn Murray O’Hair and Betty Friedan helped destabilize the essential family unit and code of civilized behavior and now we have university level charlatans preaching all sorts of unproven progressive theories for reasons of ideologically absurdity and to stay relevant in a whirlwind of progressive fever. That “fundamental transformation” that obama bragged was on the horizon has proved to be bridge too far for the sane, stable middle of America
… half-filled with citizens who have the emotional age of a toddler …
I realize you are speaking in approximate terms, but I just want to say, thank God it is 48% instead of more, and that 51% are mature adults (I’m not sure about the other 1%).
I settled on 50% since you can never count on that squishy, dithering middle of undecideds. They are like Xmas eve shoppers grasping at anything at the last moment and you might get a great gift or you might get something truly odious.
* it’s more 80 to 20 split. The 2020 and 2024 election need serious analysis. 80 % of the people are actually sane and well intentioned.
I would hope that you were correct but we must conclude that almost every college student within the past 5 decades has had their minds polluted almost past the point of salvage with progressive claptrap, plus add in all those parasites that require government handouts (and by this I include all those who facilitate all the crazy progressive agencies at all levels of all governments who produce nothing towards our GDP but suck at the teat of the taxpayers) and then there are those who vote while dead or without benefit of government ID.
Turley’s current analysis about the Democratic party’s angst and soul searching about what went wrong. What will become evident in the long run is the fact that now it will all be about the Republicans and Trump. There would be no excuse to if things do go wrong or don’t go the way many Trump supporters expect.
Ironically it is already happening albeit in a subtle way. Fox News Host Bartiromo asked questions she should have been asking prior to the election. How will Republicans pay for the mass deportations? It is reported it will cost 88 billion dollars to deport, process and apprehend just 1 million. That question was met with deflection and obfuscation. It’s going to be costly and Republicans are always worried about costs and adding to the debt and increasing deficits.
There will be little to no guard rails this time and the full effect of Trump’s policies and claims will be seen and felt. Democrats have been criticized for not paying attention to how voters feel about the economy and how it has not seem to have improved for them despite the fact that all metrics show a healthy economy. Inflation is where we want it. Unemployment is where it supposed to be. Wages are up and corporate profits are at record highs.
Trump is not going to improve that with the kinds of policies he’s pushing. Mass deportations will affect local tax bases, employers will not have enough workers to meet demand. Tariffs will eat away at businesses profits and bottom lines. Then there’s the extra tax cuts for corporations which in theory would mean higher wages for employees, but we know that’s not going to happen.
Republicans have historically failed on the economy when they get control of all branches of government. They fail to govern effectively once they get the chance. This time around Democrats have at least one small advantage. They can’t be blamed for the policy failures of Trump and Republicans. There are already questions from Trump supporters asking how are these policies going to work? How much will they really cost and the answers are still vague and deflectionary.
The rage Turley talks about will eventually come from Trump supporters who will slowly come to the realization that what they have been promised and what they expect will not align.
Svelaz the moron ignores the fact that 75 MILLION people said “get ’em outta here” and “your immigration policies stink”, and thinks he has the winning message that the democrats didn’t. Bwahahahahahahaha what a stooge.
75 million people will not tolerate more debt, inflation, and higher costs associated with deportation and the effect it will have on the economy.
Republicans are good at making things look scary and claiming moral authority. But they have a very poor record when it comes to governing and the economy.
75 million people will tolerate some debt, inflation, and higher costs associated with deportation and the effect it will have on the economy.
Democrats are good at making things look scary and claiming moral authority. But they have a very poor record when it comes to governing and the economy.
Lin, voters chose Trump because they believed their personal situations did not change. At least that is what Trump kept telling them. Now it will be up to Republicans and Trump to prove it through their policies. Already there are questions from Trump supporters on Fox News asking how exactly these policies will work and how much will they cost.
Any of the new policies implemented by Republicans and Trump’s administration will be judged as their policies. Can’t really lay blame on democrats when they are not in a position to create policy and the effects they create.
Imposing tariffs in everything including the alleged 200% tariff on auto imports from Mexico is not going to go over well with Trump voters who complained about higher prices and cost of living. Those actions will not make it cheaper to live. Republicans have a solid history of gaining power and failing to govern while making a mess of the economy. Only time will tell, and there are already some signs these ideas and policies are going to be much harder and more costly to implement then they let on.
George: “Any of the new policies implemented by Republicans and Trump’s administration will be judged as their policies.”
lin: Ah, but George, the new policies implemented by Republicans and Trump’s administration will simply consist of voiding the many failed policies and directives of the previous administration. Trump needs a new rubber stamp, i.e., “Return to Sender.”
-Once that stage is completed, it will result in a pre-Biden, pre-Covid homeostasis, one fertile for new growth. Then, more focused new policies will take over.
Lin, George has a way of viewing success and failure in reverse, seeing failure as success and success as failure.
LIn, the current policies did not fail. They worked as intended. Trump’s changes will add to the costs. “Voiding” other policies will not decrease the costs when they are adding things like increased resources and manpower to implement mass deportations.
Trump has never been known for consistency and sticking to what he says. Never. When things do go wrong it’s never his responsibility or that or republicans. This time around Republicans are not going to be able to blame democrats for their policy shortcomings and lack of results. There’s lots of expectations and confidence. But that can change just as quickly and voters can be finicky with their expectations. Trump will not be able to blame the “deep state” or Biden. I’m sure he will try to blame democrats or their policies when they can’t explain why their won policies are not producing results.
” tariff on auto imports from Mexico is not going to go over well with Trump voters”
Tariffs vs Taxes:
$100 in taxes is ~= to $100 in tariffs
A person cannot stop paying taxes on their income but they can delay the purchase of a new car.
Tariffs done correctly lead to more American employment which leads to more tax revenue.
S. Meyer, you don’t understand how Tariffs work. They increase prices on goods. Tariffs are paid by the importer and then passed on to the consumer, you. That doesn’t incentivize them to bring jobs here if they can just pass on the cost to you. If you expect a manufacturer to bring jobs back they products they will make will still cost more because now they have to pay higher wages and more in benefits to produce the same product. YOU will still pay more which is what voters were complaining about when they chose to vote for Trump. Inflation will rise as a consequence of implementing massive tariffs on everything coming into the country. YOU will end up paying more for everything as a result.
Your understanding is shallow. When $100 in tariffs is imposed, it can reduce the need for an equivalent amount in tax revenue. If managed carefully, especially with a focus on trade with China, the U.S. gains $100 in revenue. Meanwhile, China might lower the product’s price to offset the tariff, so consumers don’t bear the full cost. This balancing act between taxes and tariffs involves a range of economic factors beyond what’s mentioned here, making it a nuanced and complex issue.
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“ Your understanding is shallow. When $100 in tariffs is imposed, it can reduce the need for an equivalent amount in tax revenue.”
No, that’s not how it works. When $100 tariff is imposed, it’s imposed on U.S. companies. Not China or the exporter. That increased cost is passed on to the consumer. Tax revenue doesn’t change. The consumer, you, pays more. You complain about high prices and why things cost more and Trump’s tariffs will increase them, not decrease them.
It’s clear you don’t know what you are talking about. China can impose tariffs on U.S. products in retaliation. China will not reduce prices to lessen the impact on tariffs China is not the one paying the tariffs. U.S. companies do. The purpose of tariffs is to make it more expensive for importers, U.S. companies to pay more for imported goods than the domestically produce products. U.S. companies deliberately send manufacturing overseas because it’s cheaper and more profitable. Bringing back manufacturing will cost more and require U.S. companies to pay higher wages and benefits. They don’t want that. Furthermore, we don’t have the manpower and resources to manufacture products as fast and as cheap as China does and we are going to deport 20 million people because they are illegal immigrants who ARE currently working and paying taxes.
I recommend addressing each point you disagree with in my argument, line by line, rather than dismissing it outright. While some of your points are valid, you’re missing the full scope of what I’m saying and the subject matter. Perhaps it’s just a bit beyond your current perspective.
George. I am waiting for you to respond line by line so that you don’t get so confused.
75 million people will not tolerate more debt, inflation, and higher costs associated with
deportationillegal immigration and the effect itwill haveis having their security and on the economy.Ultimately, the total cost for cleaning up this Democratic party immigration mess will pinned on the Democratic party itself.
The cost will be pinned on republicans. They will be in control of spending, budget, and legislation. They will have the responsibility to figure out how to keep inflation low, prices low, employment, and keep the gdp growing when Trump imposes 10%-30% tariffs on everything and reducing taxes on corporations further and paying for a wall and mass deportations. Keep in mind that those millions of illegal immigrants are also spending money and paying taxes. Removing a huge chunk of people will affect the economy and will increase inflation.
The cost will be pinned on republicans. They will be in control of spending, budget, and legislation.
While there will obviously be costs attributed to Republicans for pursuing this agenda, the costs associated with states fighting a policy supported by the majority of our citizens will be carved out, with the responsibility pinned directly on those states. Those costs won’t simply be in $$$. The heinous crimes committed by the illegal migrants will continue to capture the attention of our citizens and any opposition to restore an expectation of safety and security will absolutely be reflected in the midterms.
So go ahead. The Democratic party will own every violent crime committed by illegal immigrants and the costs associated with any resistance to remove them.
“those millions of illegal immigrants are also spending money and paying taxes. “
The illegal immigrant receives welfare benefits, education, and other subsidies.
They can be replaced by legal immigrants and green card holders, reducing these additional costs.
And yet they did under Biden.
Regardless, deporting illegals is only costly in left wing nuts heads.
Homan is claiming to do it inside current ICE budgets.
Where will we see cost SAVINGS nearly immediately ?
Kiling the Green New Deal will be huge.
Killing the Inflations causation Act will be huge.
Reduced costs to local government from illegals is huge – something like 4B in direct payments in NYC alone. That is the cost of a couple of hunderd miles of border wall.
Eliminate the FEMA nonsense paying illegals.
Reducing the supply of illegals for jobs will increase wages and jobs for citizens.
Math does not appear to be one of your competences.
“ Kiling the Green New Deal will be huge.
Killing the Inflations causation Act will be huge.”
There never was a Green New deal and an Inflations causation act” What are you talking about? Obviously you are making things up. When was the Green New Deal enacted? The Inflations causation act?
Regardless, deporting illegals is only costly in left wing nuts heads.
Homan is claiming to do it inside current ICE budgets.“
Claiming to do it is one thing. Actually making it happen is another. Remember, talk is cheap. Actually implementing and executing policy is more costly in reality.
“ Reducing the supply of illegals for jobs will increase wages and jobs for citizens.”
Unemployment is already low. Businesses have been struggling to find MORE people, not less. Reducing immigrant work force will only make things worse since they work the jobs most Americans do not want. Increasing wages will also increase inflation and costs for everyone else. When companies see more people getting paid more they increase prices well above inflation and wage increases to “benefit” from those increases. That’s why so many didn’t see the benefit of wage increases under Biden. It wasn’t biden’s policies, it was greed and price gouging at the supermarket.
“ Eliminate the FEMA nonsense paying illegals.”
FEMA is not paying illegals. That’s been shown to be misinformation from rumor mills like fabebook and x.
Yes, George – voters now expect Trump and republicans to deliver.
They also do NOT expect Democrats to obstruct.
Again Read the Trump/GOP platform.
Voters expect that – interfere at your peril.
Should republicans fail to deliver on their promises – which includes peace prosperity and an end to woke nonsense lawfare and the censoship industrial complex,
Then you can expect voters to punish them in 2026.
Democrats should reflect on why they lost hugely. While the reasons are obvious to most of us. Democrats must do their own soul searching.
If they do not understand and fix why voters rejected them – they can expect that rejection to continue.
You noted Bartiromo asking how deportations would be paid for. Homan – now Border Czar – answered:
ICE is perfectly capable within the constitution and within existing resources.
Further deporting illegals will SAVE money – DEMA ran out of money because of what it was spending on illegals.
NYC and other states have financial difficulties in the billions because of what they are paying for illegals.
Under Obama ICE deported approximately 1M people per year. Shut down the border and let ICE do its job,
and the number of illegals will be reduced by 1M/yr – so long as we are not behind the 8ball because 4m new illegals are getting in each year.
It is likely that a republican congress may have to reallocate some funds – that is NOT new funding, it is just taking Billions spent keeping illegals HERE and using them to send illegals home.
Homan and other have noted – that millions will be encouraged to and likely self deport.
If you are deported by ICE – you go to the back of the line and you will NEVER get to immigrate legally to the US.
If you leave on your own, you can apply for asylum or other legal immigration status and you MIGHT get it.
We have already seen dramatic reductions in the flow to the southern border.
Trump called SheinBaum and mexico has deployed troops to the border defacto reinstating “remain in mexico” NOW – that is 3 months before Trump takes office.
We are seeing all over the world that Trump is ALREADY the Defacto president.
Hamas, Hexbolla, Houthis Iran are all trying to wind down hostilities BEFORE Trump takes office.
Qatar is deporting Hamas Billionaire leaders
Ukraine and Russia are in the preliminary stages of negotiating. I expect a cease fire shortly to allow the dying to stop while the negotiations continue.
Businesses are reshoring from China, DEI and ESG programs are being shutdown.
China is talking about cooperating with Trump.
The EU has announced it will by LNG exclusively from the US as a good faith measure to avoid Tarrifs.
It is not even a week after the election and we are already seeing that Trump’s platform is being implimented
“There will be little to no guard rails this time”
Of course their are. If Trump acts illegally or unconstitutionally – their are courts, and even the GOP congress will balk.
“the full effect of Trump’s policies and claims will be seen and felt.”
EXACTLY – THAT everyone expects. Voters DEMANDED it.
Again READ the Trump/GOP platform – THAT is what is about to happen.
And THAT is going to be VERY HARD to stop – and Democrats can try to interfere at their own peril risking the ire of the electorate – which CLEARLY you did not understand.
” Democrats have been criticized for not paying attention to how voters feel about the economy ”
Correct – but THAT was only ONE issue. The TOP issue according to exit polls was that democrats kowtowed far too much to the woke extreme left”.
“how it has not seem to have improved for them despite the fact that all metrics show a healthy economy. Inflation is where we want it. Unemployment is where it supposed to be. Wages are up and corporate profits are at record highs.”
All you are doing is proving how CLUELESS you are.
Yes, the US economy is the strongest in the world – the economies of the world SUCK.
Being better than schiff is not good.
Inflation – though far lower than it was is STILL double to tripple what the FED targets and what we SOULD have is MILD deflation. That is the norm -0 absent central banks and that is GOOD.
Regardless inflation is NOT where we want it.
No Jobs are NOT good – if you factor out jobs to illegal immigrants – we have LOST jobs under Biden.
Wages ARE up – by HALF of inflation, So most families are LOSING $4K/yr compared to 2020.
Corporate profits are DOWN when adjusted for inflation.
You keep ignorting the FACT that all the supposedly great economic metrics you tout are NOT adjusted for inflation.
The stack market has had almost no growth – except inflation. GDP has had little growth – except for inflation.
Wage growth is HALF of inflation. Spendable income is DOWN.,
“Trump is not going to improve that with the kinds of policies he’s pushing. ”
You are free to beleive whatever you wish.
“Mass deportations will affect local tax bases”
Not much. Illegal immigrants to a huge extent work under the table.
To those who do not local tax revenues are dwarfed by increased costs – education, overburdened infrastructure.
“employers will not have enough workers to meet demand.”
So they will automate – as they were doing before. Or they will solve problems another way.
Or they will lobby for and get more LEGAL immigration.
Trump has said he strongly favors increased LEGAL immigration.
“Tariffs will eat away at businesses profits and bottom lines.
No Tarrifs do not eat away at profits – BTW “the bottom line” is PROFITS.
They are the same thing.
Tarrifs change the economics of WHERE things are produced.
Regardless Trump uses Tarrifs to alter foreign policy – particularly TRADE policy.
They EU has already agreed to buy a significant amount of additional LNG from the US,
in the hopes of avoiding Tarriffs on exports.
European Economies are also going to be doing more of what the japanese did to survive their dmographic problems – and BUILD their products in the countries they sell them.
Airbus is already making aircraft in the US. Most Japanese cars sold in the US are made in the US or mexico or both.
Germans started doing the same.
Trump is going to do – as he did in the First term use Tarriffs as a lever in foreign policy.
One of the HUGE changes is that the US IS reverting to an “America First” foreign policy.
That is the End of the post WWII Brenton Woods era where the US guaranteed access to SU markets to the world, in return for control of global foreign policy and joining the US in the fight against communism.
That era is over. The US will remain the worlds sole superpower. But we no longer need to make tradeoffs to unite the world against a common enemy.
Both Russia and China are failing Superpowers – we need to deal with their collapse in the near future, and the dangers that poses.
But we are no longer in a fight to “save the world” from communism.
“Then there’s the extra tax cuts for corporations which in theory would mean higher wages for employees, but we know that’s not going to happen.”
Why do we “know” that is not going to happen.
The FACT is that the US tax structure is not only well above the gdp optimizing maximum rate it is about the even higher Revenue optimizing max.
After Trump’s first tax cuts – the economy boomed, wages rose, AND Tax revenue increased.
“Republicans have historically failed on the economy when they get control of all branches of government. ”
A left wing nut myth. The economic benefits of changes in govenrment typically take 2-3 years to accrue.
“They fail to govern effectively once they get the chance.”
Again a stupid Myth. Voters just voted Trump back into office because they KNOW Trump did much better than Biden.
“This time around Democrats have at least one small advantage. They can’t be blamed for the policy failures of Trump and Republicans. ”
So long as they are not obstructive – absolutely correct.
Trump and Republicans MUST deliver – on that you are correct.
But most people expect that – with good reason.
Trump delivered as president before.
“There are already questions from Trump supporters”
None that I am aware of.
“The rage Turley talks about will eventually come from Trump supporters who will slowly come to the realization that what they have been promised and what they expect will not align.”
If so – then the Republicans will face a serious backlash in 2026.
But the problems right NOW are from democrats who even though they still have no clue why they last, are busy marshalling opposition.
Have fund with that.
“ They also do NOT expect Democrats to obstruct.”
Fortunately Democrats are not pushovers. They are entitled to obstruct just as Republicans did. It’s the nature of our nations politics.
Inflation is where it’s supposed to be. Expecting inflation to be near zero as it was during Obama’s years is never going to be forever. You’re already making excuses for the upcoming issues and problems Trump’s policies will bring.
Trump’s platform is useless. When has Trump adhered to policies and plans from Republicans? He diverges whenever he feels it’s in his best interest. Project 2025 will be used as a guide and as a template for many policies in the Trump administration. Remember LYING is an issue for you. Trump lying and not meeting his promises will be excused as soon as he makes them.
Tariffs will increase prices on voters and companies. They are not good for the economy and they are certainly not good for free the free market. Tariffs are essentially anti-free market. Tariffs are punishment for smart business decisions where cheaper, better and more profitable production can be achieved.
Bringing jobs back here will not improve profits for companies if they are forced to pay more for their employees which so what republicans do not want. They want more profits and they can’t have that when they have to pay for higher wages and better benefits here.
Mass deportations will affect the economy and force companies to send jobs overseas because that’s where the cheaper labor is. It’s what republicans always want. Cheap labor, low overhead and higher profits. Trump is not going to last long if these policies on the platform are implemented without factoring in where the money will come from and how will it reduce the debt or deficit. Republicans will ignore the debt and start deficit spending like crazy to fulfill their agenda. Only then when things are bad and once again the economy is a mess will voters chose a democrat to lead. History is a good indicator on how this republican administration and Congress will fare.
George
Democrats can do an honest job of trying to figure out why they lost – I have seen very little of that so far.
Or they can lose even worse in the future.
As to Trump/Republicans – he is answerable to the 75M people who voted for him – NOT you.
Given that your posts here daily make it clear -you do not know schiff about Trump voters.
your analysis is meaningless.
For you and democrats to become relevant again,
YOU must figure out what you did wrong and correct it
AND Trump must fail those who voted for him.
He did NOT in his first term. He got more votes than in 2016. And but for Biden’s 20M magic votes – which even democrats are wondering where they went,
Trump would have been re-elected.
The REAL story of the 2024 election is the disapearance of the Biden 20M. Trump percormed better in 2020, that 2015,
and slightly better in 2024 than 2020.
Democrats have followed a trend line since 2012 that had them losing in 2016 and thereafter. Except that 20M votes were magically injected into the 2020 election
That is not happening again.
Floyd, Senator Kennedy just summed up the voters’ message from Tuesday night: “Republicans aren’t perfect, but the other side is crazy.”
* The View and MSN are happy with president Trump’s announcement re free speech as they used reverse psychology with arrest Elon Musk. They’re happy their noise has been solidified. U
Yeah but, thanks to the democrats the Nation doesn’t really have any mental health program. Oh there are Peanut’s type Nancy head-shrinks like those at Harvard, who pander medical advice such as divorcing one’s family, presumably not going on to turn them in to the Gestapo for transport to Bergen-Belsen. And there’s big pharma who with the governments assistance hands out cocktails of mind altering drugs, the effects of which increasingly seem to lead to mass shootings. Hard not to put those dots together as they all seem to be (1) on the FBI watch list, and (2), taking psycho mind altering drugs issued by some quack somewhere.
“For this reason, Democrats, who campaigned on the promise to end the filibuster for the good of democracy, suddenly became firm believers in that Senate rule right around 2:30 a.m. last Wednesday.”
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