“Get Violent and Fight”: Tennessee Minister Defends Violence to Stop Trump

Clearly, Dr. Steve Caudle of Greater Second Missionary Baptist Church in Chattanooga is not the “turn-the-other-cheek” type of minister. Caudle called upon his flock to choose violence in responding to the policy changes in progress in Washington with the new Administration. It is a further escalation of the rage rhetoric from Democratic politicians and pundits.

In a sermon live streamed to YouTube on Sunday, Caudle denounced Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) for threatening to “steal” Americans’ information and money, and said that a violent “conflict” will be coming:

“In this nation, I’m worried that we are on the verge of bloodshed. This is an attempt to take us back to a day that we do not want to go, and we will not go. Therefore, there will be conflict. I pray that the peace of God will win out and overcome the madness that is attempting to take over this nation.”

“And I will say to you, beloved: no one likes violence, but sometimes violence is necessary. When Elon Musk forces his way into the United States Treasury, and threatens to steal your personal information and your social security check, there is a possibility of violence. Sometimes the devil will act so ugly, that there is no other choice but to get violent and fight!”

Invoking Matthew 11:12, he added:

“… Why not talk this way? Because Jesus did… Jesus said in this key verse… ‘The kingdom of Heaven suffers — what — violence. And the who — the violent — take it by force. The kingdom of God is a warzone, it is a battlefield. You did know this, right?”

There is a normalization of such violent rhetoric with mainstream figures. The result can be a sense of license for some willing to turn to violent forms of expression, particularly when given the patina of moral justification.

As I have previously written, rage rhetoric has long been a part of our political process. However, when religious figures rationalize violent action, we cross a dangerous Rubicon in the use of such rhetoric.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”

 

 

 

433 thoughts on ““Get Violent and Fight”: Tennessee Minister Defends Violence to Stop Trump”

  1. Federal courts should back off and let President Donald Trump do what he wants, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) said Tuesday.

    WOW. Impeach the SOB. The courts rule what the law is, not the President or Congress. Don’t like it? Pass a new law or update the Constitution.

    1. “. . . what the law is . . .”

      Say hello to the Judge Merchan school of law.

      Where we state emphatically that a law was broken. But we don’t tell you what that law is.

        1. At least someone named the law, finally.

          Now on to the constitutional challenges (under Article II) to that Watergate relic. Or it’s repeal.

        2. At least someone named the law, finally.

          Now on to the legal challenges. Or its repeal.

          BTW, if Biden, via EO, can *spend* federal dollars (to pay off student loans), why can’t Trump, via EO, *cut* federal dollars?

          Careful of citing SCOTUS. The Biden administration found a “work around.”

  2. For starters, the IRS should revoke the tax exempt status of this political church making their real property subject to property taxes and their congregation’s donations NOT tax deductible.

    1. “This political church”? So not any of the the political churches that supported Trump?
      Fascist.

    2. No one should be getting a tax deduction for running an organization devoted to worshipping an invisible man in the sky.

  3. I hope this half-wit urban jungle preacher realizes the other proverb – ye shall reap what ye sows! Careful what you wish for idiot and remember the 1985 MOVE riots in Philly and how that turned out for the rabble rousers!!

  4. I find this very interesting. It looks lime a job for Agent 00Bondi. Do any of our local JDs care to break it down for the simple folk?

    “@DOGE, a single district judge has issued a ruling blocking the executive branch from access to Treasury data. There’s a simple fix: DOJ should demand injunction bonds. 1/
    This will be a repeat problem for the Trump administration, just like it was in the first term, unless something is done to rein in frivolous injunctions. Activist judges could single-handedly gum up the entire Trump/DOGE agenda. 2/
    Under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65(c), judges can issue injunctions “ONLY IF” the suing party posts a bond to cover potential damages if they’re wrong. But guess what? This rule is hardly used! 3/
    When I was in the White House, in Trump’s first term, I suggested this, but DOJ didn’t make it happen. Imagine if we had applied this to the travel ban – activists would think twice before blocking policies with potentially billions at stake. 4/
    The government has expert economists who can easily price out the cost of policies like birthright citizenship or wasteful spending. Price injunction bonds fairly, and frivolous lawsuits become a financial risk, not a free pass. 5/
    Without injunction bonds, the American people bear all the costs of activists and judges blocking the agenda they voted for.  Why should activists and judges get to overrule the American people with no penalty if they’re wrong? Our system wasn’t meant to work this way. 6/
    For national injunctions, we’re talking bonds in the hundreds of millions or even billions. It will become prohibitive unless the activists have a slam dunk case. 7/
    If a judge tries to lowball the bond amount, it’s a quick and easy reversal given the unambiguous language in the federal rules. 8/
    The best part? This doesn’t block activists from court; it just stops them from using preliminary injunctions to pause government action based on arguments that might not hold up in an appellate court.”

    1. Excellent, excellent idea OldFish. What would be the reason that the administration would refuse to demand that an injunction bond not be required for a temporary stay? Yes, doing so would likely require it to be used against the federal government when the feds would plead for a temporary injunction against a party but such a situation would rarely risk a finding of substantial damages. Anyway, the federal government has deep pockets, at least for now.

    2. Old Fish: THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DID NOT VOTE FOR THE DOGE AGENDA. Polls prove that moderates who would not otherwise have voted for the the pig did so because they believed the lie that he would “immediately” bring down the cost of groceries–the fat slob admits this lie put him over in the slimmest margin for the last 55 elections–less than 1.5% margin. The American people did NOT vote for President Muskrat to use his own employees, who do not have security clearance, to go through confidential and classified documents, download information and convey it via unencrypted e-mails. They didn’t vote for federal employees being locked out of their offices or for members of Congress to be barred from entering such offices. And, because you claim to be a lawyer, you know that the judge had to have found a high likelihood of success on the merits in order to grant a temporary restraining order.

      1. I have never claimed to be a lawyer. In fact, if you weren’t so blinded by your leftist rage, you would know that I actually asked for any lawyers on the board to comment on the bond issue.

        I am pretty good at looking at systems and I don’t think that grocery prices, or inflation in general, will be controlled until we cut government spending, lower energy costs, and control immigration. It will take time. Sounds like Trump’s stated policies to me.

        I hope Trump trames these peripheral judicial activists one way or another.

        And YES, I VOTED FOR THE DOGE AGENDA AND I WOULD SAY SO FAR, SO GOOD🤣

        1. OldFish,
          Well said. I too voted for the DOGE agenda to get control of fraud, waste and abuse within the government, transparency and accountability.

          1. WHAT “fraud, waste and abuse within the government”? WHY would you believe that the Inspectors General for these agencies haven’t been doing their jobs? Do you have anything resembling proof? Here’s the thing: Project 2025 said that Trump was just going to start firing people to cut spending to cover the tax breaks for his billionaire contributors. Project 2025 said that he would close down the Department of Education. Trump LIED about Project 2025 being his agenda–it always was.

      2. The “American People” are not a unified voting block? Most voters voted for someone else other than Trump. But the MAGAs who voted for Trump did vote for this. And I hope they suffer for it. Their daughter dies in the hospital parking lot having a miscarriage? I feel happy for her sacrifice to maintain her morals. Farmers go bankrupt because Trump gets more bribes from corporate farms? Yes please. Their children are permanently disadvantaged because they sabotaged their public schools? Good for them. Their children get sick and die from diseases they fought tooth and nail not to vaccinate their kids from? I shall mourn not. They lose their SS and must live in abject poverty? No mercy from me.
        MAGAs are dumb shits and they deserve everything that the bought onto themselves.

        1. No one wants your mercy. Based off your comments, you are a clearly ugly and hate filled person. Us MAGAs at least can define what a woman is, know biological males in women’s sports is wrong, know pornography in elementary schools is wrong. Know a open, unsecure border is wrong. Clearly we are a lot smarter than you.

          1. I celebrate voters getting the polices they want. I applaud the MAGAs for massive self-sacrifice they are willing to make for their views. MAGAs are giving up their own healthcare, education, lifestyle, will pay more to big businesses, and even risk the healthy and lives of their children all because they believe in their philosophy. Quite commendable.

            1. “MAGAs are giving up their own healthcare” Obamacare took healthcare from the middle class who are not insured at work. Not only that, but those are the people who have an unfair burden of costs.

              Education: It is clear that you and the rest of the left on this blog lack facts and intellectual rigor.

              Lifestyle: Yes, I am boring compared to the leftist who is a pedophile or requires child porn to get off.

              I’m waiting for you to provide a discussion based on facts and critical thinking. You don’t have it.

            2. Who is giving up their healthcare? For that matter, RFK just might make MAHA a good movement and we might see improved health. Obamacare, now that cost us! I HAD to get a off farm job to pay for it!.
              Education? More MAGAs are homeschooling which does better than public education. More MAGAs want school choice and opt for charter schools which preform better than public schools.
              Lifestyle? What does that even mean? What part of my lifestyle am I giving up?
              I have tried to avoid big box stores when possible and shop local. No change there. For that matter, small businesses suffered the most from the COVID lockdowns and under burdensome regulations Biden put into place.
              Children. If we can make RFK’s MAHA into a real movement we could see an increase in healthy children. Well, not all those woke leftists who will say MAHA or eating healthy and exercise is bad for you.

      3. The actual American people voted for President Trump and DOGE.

        The anti-American, pro-foreigner, treasonous, and illegal alien communist (liberal, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs, AINOs) parasites voted for the communist candidate to impose communism.

      4. We didn’t vote to pay back student loans, and to let millions of illegals in that WE now have to support from birth until death, but Biden didn’t care. He was making the big bucks and YOU were paying for it. Grow the hell up.

  5. This is a rather liberal space. Unfortunate. I used to be liberal, too. Was so outspoken on some radical topics that I was recruited to run for an open seat in the Texas House. The Party Chairman gave me two books from the Moscow University Press on using the State to take control of children away from the parents and give it to the State and said “This is where we want to go.” That was around ’84. I realized that “the plan” was ludicrous and started questioning my beliefs, ultimately resulting in a firm attachment to Conservatism. I have seen liberalism become criminally toxic over the years, and can clearly see that a tremendous and violent reckoning is at the threshold of America and the world. The Left will continue its demands for social genocide and the Right will genocide them. It is only the Hand of God which stays the battle, but not for long. There are moral absolutes. There is a “God”. Yahuah is His name. He allowed Himself to be crucified for the transgressions to His Law that all mankind is guilty of. You and I. All. Salvation is through His Only Begotten Son – “Jesus”, Yahusha is His name. All who call on Him will be saved. Time is shorter than the world thinks. The time for salvation is now. Seek it.

    1. Jesus outlined the salvation process in Matthew 25:31-46. No if, ands, or buts about it. You either treat others as yourself, take immigrants into your home, visit convicts in prison, take care of sick people, clothe homeless people… or go to hell. Everybody else making a big deal about Christianity is just making empty noise. Read the passage. Pretty clear. This BS about “all who call on him will be saved,” is just Martin Luther’s rationalizing that salvation should take no effort. Jesus never said, “call my name and you’re in.” Go ahead an argue Paul said it. What do you consider more important, what you think Paul said or what Jesus said.

  6. ‘The virtue and efficacy of eloquence is so great, as to be able to render great things contemptible, to dress up trifling subjects in dress, and put off new occurrences in an air of antiquity’: Longinus “on the sublime”.

    Fools scurrying about yelling to the heavens that nothing you do will quench my desire for your acquiesce that the status quo is all that’s needed.

    George W

  7. 1. a minister in Chattanooga is does not speak for anyone by himself and certainly not the Democrats. This is disingenuous by Turley.

    2. Musk is illegally taking over government for his own greed. Our nation is in the process of falling as a free nation. It won’t be long before Musk uses the state to commit violence on the public.

    1. 1. Just adds to mounting body of evidence of leftists calling for violence.

      2. Musk is doing no such thing. Just more of leftist MSM fearmongering.

    2. Yea a multi billionaire is going to steal SS checks. How stupid are you. Illegals use stolen SS numbers and have for decades. smartin up.

    3. He is engaged in free speech – and I am fine with that.
      I disagree with him.
      He is incorrect that violent action is justified in response to Musk.
      But he is correct that as the Declaration of Independence says after long suffering and a long train of abuses – violence may be the only recourse.

      The problem is that those of you on the left want to jail anyone outside your circle for rhetoric even 1/10th as inflammatory.

      You do not like the speech of politicians of either party – DO NOT VOTE FOR THEM

      When you weaponize the DOJ to go after them for speech – YOU are the criminal.

      1. “ When you weaponize the DOJ to go after them for speech – YOU are the criminal.”

        Trump is already doing that. You didn’t notice?

        Trump is demanding CBS and 60 Minutes be shut down for an alleged edit that is a normal part of media because he thinks they altered an interview. Fox News does this all the time. He’s pushing for the revocation of their broadcast license because of a typical editorial exercise.

        Trump already weaponized his DOJ to work against his perceived enemies.

    4. To Franke @11:54 AM: Musk is doing an AUDIT of government spending; he not “taking over government”.
      “Wandering uterus” is the origin of the word “hysteria”. Do you know to where your uterus has wandered, Franke?

      1. Vincente: “audits” are conducted by CPAs—not computer geeks, who are not qualified to conduct audits.

  8. Caudle doesn’t need to call for violence. Trump’s great divide is working. The wick will get lit when Trump drives the US into his 7th catastrophic bankruptcy as his tards insist he’s a financial genius. Trump’s call to take Greenland, Canada, Panama, and Gaza have zero support outside of his tards and are causing nothing but geopolitical tension. His insistence on a tariff-based economy is dumber than dumb (how about building an educational system in the US that makes us more competitive?). Deporting the cheapest labor on the planet which is the foundation of food prices, home building, and the service economy is utterly stupid (why not turn the lady cleaning hotel rooms into a documented worker???). When the economy tanks there will be mass protests and violence in the streets.

    1. We all know the economy is going to tank. It is due to Bidenomics. The Biden economy was propped up by massive government spending. And in return we got nothing except a even more bloated government. A lot of those jobs were government hiring. Then on the other side, those other jobs went to non-native workers. The Household survey shows more and more Americans have had to work two or more jobs to make ends meet in the Biden economy. Bidenflation, even if it were to end today, we will still be feeling the effects for that failed economic policy for years to come. As I noted earlier under Biden failed energy policies, the cost of electricity went up by 24%. During Trump’s first admin, it went down 1.8%. Wages under Trump went up. The Free Press did an article showing illegal immigrants took jobs from even Green Card holders as they would take jobs for less. One Green Card holder was having difficulty making ends meet as Biden illegals were taking all the jobs. If there are mass protests and violence, it was due to failed Biden policies. And the ones likely to protest and violence would be leftist Democrats. Mental Health experts are seeing a massive increase in “despair and burn out.” https://www.axios.com/2025/02/10/trumps-stress-mental-health-americans
      I am sure the mass fearmongering by MSM is contributing to their mental health crisis.

      1. How dumb are you? Trump’s term was record breaking in terms of the deficit. Biden ran the debt up by $6 trillion. Trump ran it up by $8 trillion. There goes you entire moronic comment.

    2. ATS – you may be right.

      There is a first for everything.
      But I doubt this is it.

      Trump’s remarks regarding Canada, Greenland, Panama, Gaza, … appear to be working.
      Negotiations are progressing. Much of the world is happy that the US has an actual leader – that they are not dealing with
      an alzheimers patient and moronic children.
      I would further note that Trump’s rise is mirroring what is happening across much of the world.
      Whether it is Meloni in Italy, or Reform in UK or National Rally in France of Afd in Germany or Milei in Argentina
      Or pick most any european country. I would note all these right shifts are not the same – National Rally and afd are right wing socialism.

      Trump supporters Take Trump seriously but not literally.
      Trump detractors take him literally but not seriously.

      As to financial Genius
      “Forbes has assessed his wealth, currently estimating it at $6.8 billion as of mid-January 2025. Bloomberg estimates his wealth at $7.08 billion”
      I would be fine with going bankrupt have a dozen times and being worth 7B.
      Trump has succeeded in residential real-estate, commercial real estate, casinos, hotels, international real-estate, hospitality, entertainment, social media, politics ….

      People who succeed at ONE thing with near certainty have very high IQs. People who succeed at many things have phenomenal IQs.

      “Guys, can we cut it out? Donald Trump is not an idiot. Let me just be very clear. Donald Trump is smarter than me, you, and all of his critics,
      You know how I know? Because he has the White House, the Senate, the House, the Supreme Court, the popular vote,
      There’s just no arguing with his success, winning a presidential election in the face of overt mainstream media hostility and other huge headwinds,
      He has a massive media ecosystem, bigger than the mainstream, built around him, and for him, and a religious fervor in a political movement around him. And his best buddy is the richest person in the history of the world, and the most relevant Kennedy is with him,
      The Democrats’ strategy of hostility toward Mr. Trump and contempt for his supporters is just a losing formula”
      Van Jones

      “Trump’s great divide is working. ”
      Outside the far left – the country is happy. Trump’s approval is at 53 the highest it has ever been and rising.
      The country supports – often 80:20 most of his polices – even democrats.

      you can rant about Musk – but the country overwhelmingly supports cutting waste and fraud from the federal government.
      All the obstruction you are engaging is is purely theater about process.

      “His insistence on a tariff-based economy is dumber than dumb ”
      The US ran or federal govenrment exclusively on Tarrifs for more than half our history.

      ALL TAXES have a negative impact. There is no such thing as a harmless tax.
      The worst taxes are taxes on investment taxes on production and taxes on wealth.
      The least economically harmful are taxes on consumption.
      Taxes on imports are essentially a sales tax on consumption. Like ALL taxes they have a negative impact,
      but they have among the LEAST negative impacts.

      Regardless, you must get the money to fund government somewhere.

      “how about building an educational system in the US that makes us more competitive?”
      Trump is shuttering the Department of education – that is a start.
      But education is primarily a state issue. Many states are funding students not schools, and letting students go where they wish.
      Many places in Europe – such as the left’s beloved sweden do that.
      That is one of the most effective ways of improving education AND reducing its cost.
      Free markets work.
      Among other reasons – the US education system has become one size fits all – most government drives things in that direction.
      But we are individuals – we do not have the same needs.
      My kids were cyber chartered – that worked incredibly well for them, but it is not for everyone. As we saw with the pandemic
      remote education is not for every student, and not something that a state can just jump to without restructuring.
      The existing cyber charters had been doing online education for decades and knew what they were doing.
      Public schools do not. Repeating – one size does not fit all. Oneline education is not right for everyone,
      Nor are traditional schools.
      Religious schools – particularly catholic schools have a long track record of delivering a superior education for about 1/3 the cost of public education.

      “Deporting the cheapest labor on the planet which is the foundation of food prices, home building, and the service economy is utterly stupid”
      How were we able to grow food, build houses and manage Hotels in 2017 or 2009 or 2001 ?
      Regadless the labor of illegal immigrants is the cheapest because they are illegal.

      “undocumented” is just more left win word games. These people came to the US – sneaking in, crossing at night, evading CBP,
      They did not go to a US consulate or embassy and ask for asylum.
      They are not undocumented – many of them are extremely WELL documented.
      They are immigrants who did not go through the legal immigration system – therefore they are illegal immigrants.

      Using wordplay proved you are a deceptive liar.

      My children are immigrants. I favor more immigration. I favor a form of open borders.
      I would have Any citizen or organization can sponsor the immigrant(s) of their choice, from where ever they wanted.
      Aside from CDP verifying sponsorship, health, and excluding criminals and terrorist – Government would be outside the process.
      But there would be NO benefits, no public assistance – that would be the obligation of sponsors.

      But that is NOT our immigration law.
      I do not like our immigration law – but we MUST have some immigration law,
      and the rule of law requires that we enforce the law we have until such time as we can change it.

      I am also not so stupid as you. Like everything else – mass immigration has winners and losers.
      It is overall a long term net win for the country. But it is very bad for the bottom half of the working class.

      This is little different from the discussion above about taxes and tarrifs. ALL approaches have both positives and negatives.
      Tarriffs are economically BAD – all taxes are economically BAD. Wealth taxes and investment taxes are WORSE.

      “When the economy tanks there will be mass protests and violence in the streets.”

      Trump has inherited a historic mess – much worse than Obama in 2009.

      Adjusting for inflation there has been almost no growth since 2020.
      Bidenflation dropped from 9+% to 2.4% but then started rising again in 2024. It was 2.9% in December.

      There are only two known ways to actually beat inflation – the Volker approach which is to raise interest rates and drive the economy into recession to clear inflation. That was very painful but resulted in 30years of strong growth.
      Or what Milie is doing in Argentia which is RADICALLY cut government spending.

      The current situation is not sustainable. Why we are EARLY in the process of a downhill slide into Greece, interest on the national debt has risen from 100B/yr under Obama, or 200B/yr by 2017 to 600B/yr in 2024. Interest on debt is experiencing compound growth. If that is not brought undercontrol quickly – that WILL result in hyper inflation.

      The left wing nut fixation on identity and oppression has damaged US productivity, strong growth requires that government, business, and individuals focus on merit.

      We are also in the midst of a period of deglobalization. There is an extremely high probability that China;s economy will collapse in the next decade – possibly even the next month. While Russia is capable of winning a war of attrition with Ukraine – this is Russia;s last gasp.
      Its problems are not as large as China’s but Russia can not survive as it is for another decade. But unlike China collapse will be slow not sudden and unpredicatable. Most of Europe is dealing with the same problems as Russia though not as severe. Europe is deindustiralizing.
      Net Zero combined with the Ukraine war would have resulted in a severe societal disruption in the EU – but for Trump’s getting LNG fascilities started in his first term. Europe is liming along with US LNG replacing about half the energy lost from Russia. That Russian energy is NOT coming back anytime soon – even if there is a peace deal. Russia can not repair its energy infrastructure. A significant part of the leverage Trump has over Russia – is the US can rapidly rebuild Russian Energy. No one else can do so rapidly and few can do so at all. Russia has vast energy in Siberia and China desparately needs it – but there are no pipelines from Siberia to China – because neither Russia nor China have the ability to build them. If Russia had theability to transport oil easily to China – the way that Canada and Alaska send oil to the US – the Ukraine war would have been won by Russia years ago.

      Regardless the relations in the world are changing.
      Like it or not the US is going to be increasingly disinterested in Europe – except for the UK. Europe is going to be responsible for itself, checking Russia, the Mideast and Africa – with few exceptions those are NOT US interests anymore. The US does not need mideastern oil anymore – Europe does. The US has NEVER had significant ties to Africa. We were never an African colonizer. We do not care or need to care about africa.
      Africa has massive potential but massive problems. France has more decent ports on the Mediterranean than Africa has on the entire continent.
      Africa has vast natural resources and pretty much no way of delivering them to the world, and this is NOT a trivial problem. Some of the few ports in Africa are only usable half the year. Regardless Africa is a European problem.

      The US focus is shifting First to Canada and Mexico. Whatever you think about Trump’s talking about Canada as a US state – the FACT is that Canada really is no longer an independent country. Canada is close to entirely dependent on the US – and WE are NOT dependent on Canada.
      Whether Canada enters some union with the US it will be subject to the Whim of the US for decades to come. Trump is dictating policies to Canada and fundimentally they have no choice but accept.

      The sitution is similar with Mexico – except that while Mexico has a growing economy and is striving to move from the 3rd word to the first world it is concurrently teetering on the edge of being a failed narco state. Biden’s avbsolutely stupid border policies have VASTLY empowered the Cartels. They made more money trafficing people than Drugs in the past 4 years. These were boom times for the Cartels and that is a MASSIVE threat to Mexico as a country. It is also likely as Trump closes the border to Cartels that we may see open warfare – either with Cartels and US or Mexican border forces. There are reasons beyond just stopping illegal immigrants and drugs to move both US and Mexican military to the border. Absent those forces – the Cartels likely would have engaged in large scale violence. Regardless, Biden’s disasterous border policies have destabalized Mexico. It is quite possible that the US may get sucked into conflicts in Mexico aiding the Mexican government in fighting Cartels.

      This is going to be problematic – Mexico MUST disempower Cartels to continue improving its standard of living. But the mexican government is incredibly corrupt and infiltrated and has had policies of detente with Cartels for decades. This must end. And it is likely that Mexico can NOT do that on its own.

      Regardless US relations with Canada and Mexico will be the most important in the coming decades.
      After that US interests will focus on the Pacific Rim. Trump built incredible relations with Taiwan, Japan, Philipines, Vietnam,Malysia, austrailia,
      during his first term – while Biden did not squander those he did neglect them. There are two different aspects of this. The first is containment of China. China is the most fascist country in the world right now. The parallels to Nazi Germany are huge. Worse it is a failing country. It is HIGHLY likely to invade SOMEBODY in the next decade to distract from troubles at home. That is a stupid move. But failing fascist states do stupid things. China’s immediate neighbors are ALL unified in seeking to contain it. The second facet is that China is declining as production center for the US and the world. It is going to be replaced by pacific rim countries – that is going to take time. AND the US is going to be re-industrializing at the same time.

      You want to talk about what may happen to all that illegal immigrant labor – the US is likely to see significant increases in manufacturing over the next decade. While much of that will be highly automated manufacturing, it will still require some labor, and not all will be highly automated.
      If there is a large low skill pool of immigrant labor – and it is possible to legally make use of it – US businesses WILL do so.

      One of the reasons that Trump’s tarriffs – if they even occur, will not matter much is because the US is re-industiralizing.
      The US has the cheapest energy in the world. We have the largest economy in the world, and the largest markets in the world.
      The advantage that China has had in labor costs are no longer sufficient to overcome the supply chain costs – moving alot of manufacting to the US makes economic sense even with higher US labor costs – especially with greater automation.

      The last significant focus of the US is going to be on the western hemisphere.

      Both Asia and South america will be more important to the US that Europe, Africa and the mideast.

      If the US can prevent our public debt from triggering a massive greek style meltdown the US future is incredibly bright.

      The early parts of all of this will be occuring under Trump.

      If he reigns in inflation and Debt – the economy will take off and the future will be bright.

      I would further note that the US with near certainty is going to need ATLEAST 2M legal immigrants a year – and probably as much as 3m.

      If the left had been rational – they would have allowed this to happen naturally. They would have waited for demand to require new immigration laws. Further they would have thought rationally about immigration.

      If we must have 2-3M immigrants a year where should they come from ? Some are likely to come from Central and south america – but we are also likely to want more immigration from China, and india, and asia generally.

      But the left does not actually think past the first order effects of ANYTHING

      1. John Say, no one reads this —-! You really need to stop with these ridiculous reams.

        1. I read what John Say writes. I agree with 95% of what he says. But if you don’t like what he says, then don’t read it.

        2. I too read what John Say writes. It is very interesting and he easily points out actual facts or the lies of our ATS, Dennis and Gigi.

    3. Hussein was the great divider. He is REALLY mad now, that his 4th term went KABOOM, and he and all of his rats are jumping ship and blaming the delusional puppet.

  9. Musk (worth $400 billion) is trying to steal someone’s social security check?

    When you have to lie to make your point, then you do not have a very good point.

  10. Dear Prof Turley,

    Another Preacher preaching to the choir. So I’m not that worried about any fracases – real or imagined – with these born-again holy warriors. (*the Snake Handlers of Greater Appalachia pick up ‘deadly serpents’ before breakfast.)

    In any case, the five-alarm code red Constitutional CRISIS you may have read about recently in the NYT, WaPo et al, has really been going on for quite some time.

    Long before Trump . .. and long after Hitler.

    *In the beginning, G.W. Bush and Dearth Lord Cheney tortured some folks and begat Barack ‘uncle Tom’ Obama on the promise of hope and change. And so it was, Uncle Tom Obama begat the 1st Trump Apostle on the promise of MAGA. The first Trump incarnation, for reasons beyond His control, begat Joe ‘poor memory’ Biden who finally beat Medicare and begat the 2nd Coming of the TRump Apostle.

    .. . and what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Jerusalem to be born?

  11. Tell me you and your ‘church’ have been taking slush fund money under the table without telling me.

  12. Jonathan: When a Baptist minister in Tennessee calls on his flock to “get violent and fight” you know we have crossed the Rubicon. DJT and Elon Musk are like the schoolyard bullies we may have encountered in our youth. We learned early on that being passive in the face of threats and bullying did not work. We had to get in the faces of bullies. When directly confronted they usually backed down. The courts are now doing that by striking down DJT and Musk’s illegal and unconstitutional orders. Judges now recognize they must stand up to the bullies.

    Our neighbors to the north are also standing up to DJT. Yesterday DJT announced 25% tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum to take effect on 3/12. This will hurt Canada’s economy but it will hurt even more US manufacturers who depend on Canadian steel and aluminum. It’s a lose, lose situation on both sides of the border. Canadians are not willing to cave and become our 51st state. Canadians are fighting back. They are boycotting American products–including now the tourist industry. In the winter Canadians like to travel to sunnier places like Florida. They are now cancelling those trips which will have a devastating effect on the tourist industry here.

    And push back is not just coming from Canada. Leaders in Australian, the UK, Ireland and Scotland are also getting in DJT’s face. They are saying what no foreign leader has ever said about the US. One Australia leader put it in stark terms: “If you can’t see the slide into fascism that’s currently happening in the United States you are simply not paying attention…The United States is sliding into fascism under Donald Trump”. Other Australian leaders have expressed similar views.

    So, yes, when confronted with a fascist bully backing down is not an option. We can’t allow a convicted felon and sexual predator to turn our country into a fascist dictatorship!

  13. # That church must steal a bunch of soc sec checks. What a thing to think that Musk is stealing your soc sec checks. Snidley whiplash Musk. More like Mr. Monk…

  14. Hey Liberals/Democrats, any issue with FEMA and Social Security money going to NYC to the tune of 59 million in order to house illegals in hotels?

    Odd that the above doesn’t bother dems/libs/media but looking for it does.

  15. If a white Baptist preacher said something like this, the country would be up in arms. Sadly, too many black “Baptists” are just political shills.

    1. We don’t call them “black” or use the N word any more. They’re called “DEI.”

  16. This is ridiculous! A Baptist preacher who has a flock that has a bunch of unwed mothers, and high STD rates, and other problems, like being gluttons for sugar drinks and sweets, and this is what he wants to fight over??? Not to mention that his party can’t murder babies fast enough, and promotes mutilating children. Here’s some stats, from Chattanooga:

    https://health.hamiltontn.org/Portals/14/DataPublications/Docs/2019%20Report%20Final%202019-02-28.docx.pdf

    Whatevah! Here’s an Irish Poem for this bozo!

    Pardon Me, Boy, Is This The Chattanooga Cuckoo???
    An Irish Poem by Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

    There once was a preacher named Caudle,
    Who wasn’t one likely to dawdle!
    He was full of bombast,
    Though his thoughts were half-a$$ed-
    And his sermons were chock-full of twaddle!

    Note 1. There is a famous old-timey song called Chattanooga Choo Choo, which I made a word play on:

  17. Hey, if we are going to pile on this “agitator” for suggesting violence, where were those who should have found much more potential for violence within the jeramiah wright’s damning of America or any slew of islamists burning our flag under cover of their so-called faith. I am all for sweeping up this pastor for his stupid calls for violent resistance but let’s be fair and round up all those of any stripe who threaten violence in place of our constitutional processes. Let’s not discriminate with regards to faith – tax everyone of them as a media promoting unlawful behavior and send them to Gitmo.

  18. A lunatic peddling lies. There is nothing wrong with an audit. It should be happening every day as part of a compliance program. But why would the government follow its own OIG compliance requirements?

    1. # is it 3 trillion per quarter now? Anyone would say 🤔 I’m not getting much in return? It’s like ordering groceries and spending 100 dollars and an empty sack is delivered?

      1. # ^^^^ oops too low, 9-10 trillion 1st quarter. ANYONE in their right mind would say where’s it all going. OHN , freeze it all. The Treasury is auditing itself at President Trump’s demand and Mr. Monk concurs. That would be secretary Bessent of the treasury as his dept prints all da moneez.

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