“Get Violent and Fight”: Tennessee Minister Defends Violence to Stop Trump

Clearly, Dr. Steve Caudle of Greater Second Missionary Baptist Church in Chattanooga is not the “turn-the-other-cheek” type of minister. Caudle called upon his flock to choose violence in responding to the policy changes in progress in Washington with the new Administration. It is a further escalation of the rage rhetoric from Democratic politicians and pundits.

In a sermon live streamed to YouTube on Sunday, Caudle denounced Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) for threatening to “steal” Americans’ information and money, and said that a violent “conflict” will be coming:

“In this nation, I’m worried that we are on the verge of bloodshed. This is an attempt to take us back to a day that we do not want to go, and we will not go. Therefore, there will be conflict. I pray that the peace of God will win out and overcome the madness that is attempting to take over this nation.”

“And I will say to you, beloved: no one likes violence, but sometimes violence is necessary. When Elon Musk forces his way into the United States Treasury, and threatens to steal your personal information and your social security check, there is a possibility of violence. Sometimes the devil will act so ugly, that there is no other choice but to get violent and fight!”

Invoking Matthew 11:12, he added:

“… Why not talk this way? Because Jesus did… Jesus said in this key verse… ‘The kingdom of Heaven suffers — what — violence. And the who — the violent — take it by force. The kingdom of God is a warzone, it is a battlefield. You did know this, right?”

There is a normalization of such violent rhetoric with mainstream figures. The result can be a sense of license for some willing to turn to violent forms of expression, particularly when given the patina of moral justification.

As I have previously written, rage rhetoric has long been a part of our political process. However, when religious figures rationalize violent action, we cross a dangerous Rubicon in the use of such rhetoric.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”

 

 

 

433 thoughts on ““Get Violent and Fight”: Tennessee Minister Defends Violence to Stop Trump”

  1. The Democrats remind me of a case I once had. I represented a dude who wasn’t paying his child support. The baby momma (with her mother’s help and encouragement) sued him.

    So, I got the mother-in-law on the stand, and forced her to admit that every time my client got a job, she made it a point to call up his employer to say bad things about him, and get him fired. The judge was not too happy with her unclean hands.

    Same thing with the Democrats. Trump and Musk are working overtime, to reduce the deficit, in part to help lower inflation. Then, the Democrats intervene through activist judges, to stop them – and then complain that Trump isn’t lowering inflation. Talk about unclean hands!

    1. You “represented a dude who wasn’t paying his child support.” Explanation, please. How were the mother (i.e. baby mama) and her mother culpable in pursuing sustenance for a baby and its mother? How could a reputable attorney facilitate a deadbeat?

      1. Because you can not impose a duty on someone and then deprive them of the ability to meet that obligation.

        If you call up someones employer and trash them, you threaten their ability to meet their duty to pay child support, and therefore you assume that duty yourself.

      2. You do know that ALL attorney’s are obligated to seek the best itnerests of their client – with in the law.

        Reputable attorney’s represent serial killers, child abusers, sexual preditors, …..

        The best representaiton the worst of us gets is the most any of us can expect.

    1. I’m sure they would want the law to mean what it says when it comes to protecting THEIR rights and interests.

    2. I am not at war with my neighbor.

      Trump just announced he had a hour and a half long conversation with Putin. It called it “highly productive.” Looks like a lot more progress towards peace then anything Biden did.

      1. King Donald, a consistent pathological liar, claims he had a “productive” conversation with Putin—-without disclosing any facts— and you BELIEVE that the King has made more progress with peace than Biden?

        Biden imposed sanctions and got our allies to join in. That dealt a serious financial blow to Putin. Biden pulled together our NATO allies to present a united front against Putin and Finland and Sweden joined NATO. Biden got fighter jets to Ukraine and trained pilots on how to use them. He delivered weapons, including rockets, to Ukraine, too. Putin’s army is so devastated that he had to import North Korean soldiers—but the lying hog you worship claims he had a “productive talk” with Putin and you automatically believe he did more than Biden?

        Do you comprehend why we non-MAGAs don’t respect you MAGAs and think you are morons? The sanctions, NATO and arming Ukraine has hobbled Putin and will get him to be reasonable— not the so-called “charm” that King Donald believes he exudes.

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  2. Any land trade deal with Russia would be dead on arrival because its terms would be
    a violation of international law, in which the borders of Ukraine and Russia are already
    defined.

    1. “international law, in which the borders of Ukraine and Russia are already
      defined.”

      +++

      Where is Prussia today? How about Danzig? Yugoslavia? Czechoslovakia? Austo-Hungarian Empire? Ottoman Empire?

      Maybe ‘defined’ boundaries can change.

      1. John, who enforces any law? The one with the biggest guns, whether it be local, state, federal or international. Whether the system is based on balance of power or hegemony, it is always the same.

        1. The relation of nations to each other is the prefect example of working anarcho capitalism.

          Constantly people like to say there is no real world example of libertariansim.

          That is false because many nations are more libertarian in nature than anything else.
          Because the more a nation slides to socialsim the more it fails and the more it mores towards libertarianism the more it succeeds.

          But aside from that – the relation of nations to each other is a real world working example of the most extreme form of libertarianism – anarcho capitalism.

          Is it perfect – certainly not. But in the 300,000K years of human existance it has yet to be replaced by something “better”.

          You are correct that ALL law is enforced by Guns.

          But there is no world govenrment – and there is not likely to ever be one. There is no world police force.

          Whether international law is enforced with respect to Russia and Ukraine is dependant on whether we want this war to end,
          and whether the US is willing to risk nuclear war to do so.

          The left here rants about Gaza. The thought that Gazan’s might be removed and someone else might take over seems incomprehensible to them.

          They would rather have 2M Gazans live in poverty and rubble for the next 75 years and repeat this all over again in a few years.

          Trump’s remarks helped clarify the thinking of Arab nations.

          For Gaza to be rebuilt – the Palestininas will have to be REMOVED. There are many ways to do that – one proposal is to persuade Egypt to put them up in part of the Sinai. Another is to ship them off to other arab countries.

          Europe took in 2M Ukrainian refugees as a result of the war.
          Arab nations have taken 100,000 Palestinians.

          I doubt that the US is going to occupy Gaza. But we are likely to foot the bill to rebuild – and we should get some benefit from that.

          I also suspect that Trump was trying to get Arab countries to grasp that Gaza has great value – but for the palestinians.

          Trump is trying to get Qatar and SA to think of Gaza as an investment. But AGAIN the problem is the palestinian people.

          No nation on earth wants them – and for good reason.

          Building them a luxury refugee camp out in the middle of the Sinai – the worst idea – except all the others.
          Suddenly becomes more appealing.

          Regardless, Gaza can not be rebuilt with the Gazan’s in it – ignoring approaches like – keeping all the Gazans in the south while rebuilding the north.

          1. John, libertarianism is a natural way for people of the world to function, but when people meet on the edges, they need rules of behavior. This necessity is well appreciated by most, but such rules should be rules of law, not compassion. Even the Torah notes that compassion can be destructive to the law, so when creating those who would rule on the law, compassion was not one of the desirable traits.

            The community of nations didn’t deal with the rule of law in settling the Israeli-Gazan situation. They didn’t even use compassion except as a weapon to protect terrorists who killed civilians from being killed themselves. They used political greed in the worst possible way and obtained the worst result.

      2. I think most international law is better compared to private contracts than to law within a sovereign jurisdiction.

        Countries enter into those agreements because the advantages outweigh the disadvantages and disputes can be settled without recourse to more harmful means. When the agreement is too imbalanced, as with the Versailles Treaty, expect it to be broken when opportunity allows just as private entities will seek to exit a contact that becomes too undesirable.

        Hence enforcement is by mutual agreement until it is not.

    2. If you ever find “international law” to hold dominion, please collect the $250 trillion (to be increased) that China owes 195 nations as the party liable for the deliberate or inadvertent release of “China Flu, 2019,” from the Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China, a fact that is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by a preponderance of evidence that it was more likely than not the pandemic initially occurred there.

  3. Jonathan: At yesterday’s Oval Office press briefing DJT also was asked under what authority he thought he could take over the Gaza strip. DJT responded with this non sensical answer “US authority”. Say what? There is absolutely no “authority” in the law or the Constitution for such an action–unless DJT were to declare war against the Palestinians. And there is little reason to believe Congress would approve such a resolution. The Palestinians have not attacked the US. They have not invaded Delaware or Maryland.

    But your friends over at FoxNews seem to think DJT has ample reason to take over Gaza. Yesterday, Fox host Jesse Waters said the population of Gaza is “hostile, uneducated” and “their birthrate is explosive”. Waters claimed, without any evidence, that the average birthrate for Palestinian women is 51/2 babies. The average birthrate for Israeli women Waters claimed is only 21/2 babies. So, for Waters, “demographically they’re a threat”.

    We’ve heard these racist arguments before. Hitler claimed the Jews were a threat to the “purity” of Aryan Germans because Jewish women were having more babies. That’s why Hitler claimed the “Final Solution” was the only way to solve the problem. Waters has now descended into the rancid propaganda of the Nazi purists to justify the expulsion of the Palestinians from Gaza!

    Of course, DJT’s big talk about the US taking over Gaza is just a distraction from his promise to bring down inflation. USA is reporting today that inflation in January jumped 3%–from food to energy. Eggs and used cars were big contributors. Last month egg prices jumped 15.2%. Bacon jumped 4.1%. And DJT’s insane tariffs will make almost everything more expensive. We need to keep our eyes on the ball. DJT is not going to invade Gaza. That’s a distraction from the big lie–that DJT promised to bring down the cost of groceries as one of his first acts and he failed to deliver!

    1. ” Say what? There is absolutely no “authority” in the law or the Constitution for such an action”

      It sounds as if you want the law to prevail. I’ll buy that. Gaza, under the law, is part of Israel. Thank you for your agreement.

    2. “There is absolutely no “authority” in the law or the Constitution for such an action”
      So how is it that the 13 original states expanded from cost to coast ?

      What is the authority by which Puerto Rico became US territory ?

      Dennis – PLEASE Think before you post .

      1. John, the international law under discussion, was agreed upon in the 1920s and has helped maintain peace despite infractions such as Nazi Germany. Most Middle Eastern boundaries were created at approximately the same time, except for Arab desires on Israel; those boundaries have been maintained. Presently, all boundaries in the Middle East are set by international law. Jordan stopped its illegal occupation decades ago.

        1. SM I am not pissing on international law.
          Just Dennis’s idiotic view that it is somehow immutable or even very similar to national law.
          It is not.

          I would separately note that I think that Ukraine and Russia can agree to anything and eventually Ukraine will get back the territory it has lost – particularly Crimea.

          Russia can and MIGHT hold rhe oblasts it has taken near the Russian border. There are enough russian people in them and they are sustainable and defensible as part of Russia.

          Crimea is NOT. Russia can not even protect its Black Sea Fleet ANYWHERE in the Black sea.

          While they now have a land bridge to Crimea which will help. Crimea still depends on Ukraine for water or its agriculture is unsustainable.

          Geography and resources dictate that Crimea must be part of Ukraine.

          Whatever is agreed to to end the war. it is likely that in a couple of decades Ukraine regains all its teritory.
          Russia is STILL a failing regional power. Ukrain merely needs to wait for Russia to weaken and implode.

          1. “eventually Ukraine will get back the territory it has lost – particularly Crimea.”

            John, what does the word eventually mean in your parlance? Man lives maybe 85 years, and memories except for a few last for only a few generations.

            “Russia can and MIGHT hold “

            We are no longer looking at power. We are looking at how to extract both nations from ruin.

      2. John, Poor Dennis can not think. He crippled his critical faculties many years ago, when he could not admit that the Left screwed up the whole civil rights movement with their Great Society programs. The cognitive dissonance forced him to adopt weirder and more stupid beliefs to not have to deal with that. Now, he is probably too old to throw off the Shackles of Stupidity.

        Dennis McIntyre, and his friends, are like those sorry individuals in a play, The Last Meeting of the Knights of the White Magnolia. A queer friend of mine was playing in it, so I went to watch the play when I was in my 20s.

        The Last Meeting of the Knights of the White Magnolia has a bald, insistent theme: An organization rooted in past traditions, unable to adjust to change, can only degenerate and die. From their peak in 1939, marked by a convention in Tulsa, the Knights of the White Magnolia have been reduced to a ragtag remnant. With the exception of Colonel Kinkaid, the members are a sorry bunch of “good old boys,” petty, mean-spirited, and ignorant. All are in some measure failures, clinging to an old lie because it offers them a barren dignity that in other circumstances would be merely pathetic but, because it is bigotry, is too vicious to engage much audience sympathy. These are men sorely lacking in human decency.

        https://www.enotes.com/topics/last-meeting-knights-white-magnolia

    3. “unless DJT were to declare war against the Palestinians.”

      Oh, so in the Dennis McIntyre Constitution the US can take territory by war ?

      Several posters here have noted that violates international law – of course international law is not actually law, it is just nations agreeing until they decide not to.

    4. “Jesse Waters said the population of Gaza is “hostile, uneducated” and “their birthrate is explosive”.”
      Both true. I do not really care about their birth rate.
      But the fact is absolutely no nation on earth wants the Palestinians – not even temporarily.

      There is a joke that When Israel was negotiating peace with Egypt in return for the Sinia, that Israel called up Sadat and said “we decided to give you back Gaza too”, And Sadat replied – and what are you giving me to take it ?

      Everywhere the Palestinians have gone – EVERYWHERE – arab nations, Kuwait, Jordan, SA, Egypt, Lebanon, they have caused disruptions.
      They assassinated the King of Jordan and attempted multiple coups in Jordan and Egypt.

      In the rest of the world they committed acts of terror.

      Absolutely no one wants the Palestinians – and that is the fundimental problem striking a deal.

      Israel does not want them either.

      One of the realities that is being faced in negotiations is that approximately 68% of Gaza has been destroyed.

      How is it going to be rebuilt ? The Palestinians will not rebuild. Give them aide and they use it for terrorism.

      If the US or any other country goes in to rebuild – they either must bring in significant military and see troops and contractors murdered by the Palestinians for the crime of trying to help them,
      or they must remove the palestinians from all or parts of Gaza while it is rebuilt.

      This is not racism Dennis – it is REALITY, The Palestinians – particularly those in Gaza are violent and they bring violence wherever they go.

      No one wants to exterminate Gazan’s – they just want them to leave in peace ANYWHERE.

      It has been 77 years since the creation of the state of Israel – Israel has made peace with pretty much everyone but the Gazan’s.

      Even West Bank Palestinians who are no prize either are peace loving compared to Gazans.

      “Of course, DJT’s big talk about the US taking over Gaza”

      I have no idea what Trump really means.
      What I do know is that his remarks have caused arab nations to see the problem in batter ways.

      1. “Of course, DJT’s big talk about the US taking over Gaza”
        I have no idea what Trump really means.”

        Trump was changing the dynamics of the discussion and setting limits. The limits were that he would do what he said, or Israel was in total control without interference from the US. The Gazans must now deal with Israel directly or obliterated. No one wants obliteration but Hamas, which lives for death.

        1. I think that many of the things Trump has said recently are highly unlikely.

          They ARE negotiating tactics – but they ARE more than that.

          I do NOT rule out the possibility that the US takes over Greenlad, that canada becomes a state, that the US retakes control of the Panama canal and we convert Gaza into a US resort.

          Trump is NOT altogether unserious.

          At the same time he is NOT saying what will happen – but what CAN happen.

          In Gaza in particular he highlighted for EVERYONE the REAL problem – GAZANS.

          but for GAZANs the problem is easy. But for Gazans everyone would be fighting over who gets to rebuild Gaza.
          In a few words he made SEVERAL things clear.

          Gaza is valuable.
          The gazans CHOSE terrorism, war and poverty over peace and prosperity.
          The have not needed anyone’s help to be prosperous. They are not put upon or abused, they are not victims of Israel in an open air prison
          they hold some of the most valuable real estate int he mideast and they have CHOSEN to make it a living h311 hold.

          Again the message is the Gazans are the problem.

          Despite botching things horribly – this war may prove to be a major turning point in the mideast.

          SA and the remaining consequential Arab countries (except Iran) WANT peace with Israel.

          Dennis and others repeat the Saudis rejection of Trump’s remarks.
          But they ignore the FACT that these countries ate AT THE TABLE

          They do not need to be. The Saudis can easily walk away from this – the ONLY effect of this on them is that they WANT a relationship with Israel. The Saudi’s problem is Iran – they do not give a schiff about Gaza or Israel.

          Israel just proved AGAIN, that they are nearly the best military in the world.
          They obliterated Hamas and Gaza, Hezbola was wiped out in days. As Syria collapsed they moved in and took over a security zone that is about 1/4 of the country. and they kicked the crap out of Iran – all in a little over a year.

          If your concern is Iran – Israel is the country you want as an Ally.

          The Saudi’s have the most expensive high tech military in the Mideast. Yet they could not deal with Yemen over the course of almost a decade.

          If you want to contain Iran – you need Israel as a friend – and that is Why the Saudis are at the table.

          The US is leaving the mideast. We are leaving Europe and we are leaving Africa. These parts of the world are no longer in our national interest.

          The diminishing role of he US in the mideast leave a power vaccum. The only European country that has both the will and wherewithal to
          partly replace the US is Britan. Russia is ALSO leaving the mideast. They can not even defend their allies in the Caucuses, Much less the mideast.

          That leaves Israel. As the US leaves the mideast the only power that other Arab nations have to contain Iran is Israel.
          Particularly for other Gulf nations – Iran is a REAL threat. And that means they need Israel.

          Right now Gazans have been pushed into about 1/4 of Gaza. But for the remaining hostages – Israel can say “F#$K IT” and leave them there. It other nations in the world had any influence over israel – they lost it during this war.

          Israel does not care what the rest of the world says.
          The rest of the world is going to side with the terrorists regardless.

          Israel is negotiating wuth the Saudis and Qatar BECAUSE they have something to offer each other.
          France and Germany do not.

          Biden did an excellent job of persuading the Saudi’s that the US can not be trusted.
          They Trust Trump. But Trump will not be president in 4 years. Who will protect them from Iran then.
          Despite their massive military spending – they can not do it themselves.
          They need Israel.

          And Israel needs an answer to the Palestinian problem. And more specifically the Gaza problem.

          The West bank has been notably quiet over the past year.

          1. Mostly agree.

            “As Syria collapsed they moved in and took over a security zone that is about 1/4 of the couisntry.”

            I think a point needs to be made. The security zone the Israelis created is intended to protect the Druze population. The Druze are Arabs and represent a large number of citizens in Israel. They have fought and died for the state of Israel, so protection of the Druze outside of Israel’s borders is a recognition of a community-minded group that has helped maintain the Israeli nation. That piece of land is contiguous with Israel, so along with other things, Israeli airpower can protect them.

            The Kurds also want Israeli help to protect them from what was previously known as ISIS and Al Qaeda. I don’t think Israel can or will help them significantly.

    5. “USA is reporting today that inflation in January jumped 3%–from food to energy.”
      Inflation has been rising for the last 9 months. Trump has been president for 20DAYS,

      Last month Eggs jumped because flocks are quarnatined in two big Egg producing states due to Avian Flu.
      Either those quaranties will be lifted shortly and egg prices will drop, or millions of chickens will be exterminated and it will take 9 months for prices to come down. Regardless they will come down. The increase in Egg prices is not due to inflation.

      The cause of inflation is the FED buying US debt and bloating money supply. They alternative is to sell US debt on the market and watch interest rates skyrocket and likely see a global recession. That is what SHOULD have occurred 2 years ago – But the FED propped up the Biden admin and staved off a recession in order to keep democrats from being completely wiped out in 2022 and 2024.

      High interest rates and a recession are the way the US has successfully reigned in inflation in the past.

      But there is another way – Uraguay did that decades ago, as have many other developing nations – more recently Argentina is very successfully bringing down far worse inflation in the US.

      How – by radical cuts to government spending, reducing govenrment borrowing and eliminating the cause of inflation.

      That is What Trump and Musk are attempting right now – and the left – like you is fighting tooth and nail.

      Ultimately Trump will bring inflation down. He will cut govenrment spending, he will reduce deficits, he will reduce borrowing,. that will lower interest rates and boost the economy. The reducing in regulation – will boost the econony. The reduction in governemtn borrowing will free capital for economic growth.

      Some of this is already starting – some of it started BEFORE The election when the markets decided that Trump was likely to win and investment started to increase.

      But it will not happen overnight – even though Trump promised it would.

      The US has had a spending and debt problem for a long time. Growth int he 21st century – though better than the rest of the developed world has been poor compared to US norms. But Biden made that MUSH worse. Net Growth for 4 years of Biden after inflation may be zero, it may even be negative – i.e. we were likely already in a recession that was being masked by inflation. Regardless the economy under Biden sucked.

      Worse we crossed a dangerous tipping point. Interest payments on the national debt exceeded the cost of the Department of defense – and that is going to continue at a compound rate if something is not done NOW.

      Unless this country gets federal spending under control NOW, inflation will continue to increase.

      There ARE things Trump can do about that – and he is Trying to do them – but YOU are interfering.

      We MUST cut govenrment spending.

      US tax rates are ABOVE the revenue optimizing maximum – that means that higher taxes will NOT bring in more revenue. But lower taxes MIGHT, though not enough to fix our problems.

      We MUST cut spending and make our debt manageable, or we will go the way of Venezeulla the Weimar Republic, or Greece.

      Trump is OBVIOUSLY trying to address that – and YOU are in the way.

      At this moment the blame for rising inflation rests with Biden. But SOON if you continue to obstruct the responsibility will belong to democrats.

      Ultimately it is highly likely Trump will succeed – the only question is how much YOU will delay the process.

  4. Turley is late with today’s column. Could it be he’s trying to figure out how hard to his mental gymnastics have to be to justify Trump’s current string of court loses and policy failures?

    Turley has plenty of court issues and criticisms that he piled on to Biden that would apply to Trump just as easily. But I suspect he won’t go there since he isn’t keen on upsetting MAGA and therefore his reputation for….ahem….objectivity.

    1. “Trump’s current string of court loses ”

      They aren’t ‘losses’ if you aren’t in the ring.

      Most of the court action has been ex parte [no opponent] TROs issued by judges who think they have the executive power given solely to the President.

      1. They are losses, he’s not exactly convincing judges he’s being honest with what he is claiming. He’s already violated a judges orders and he’s not succeeding in putting forth convicing arguments.

        Turley would call it a loss or a damaging ruling.

        Turley is avoiding any analysis of these cases because he knows Trump doesn’t have a good chance of succeeding and he knows Trump reads his columns. He doesn’t want to be on Trump’s bad side or MAGA’s.

        1. Turley would call it a loss or a damaging ruling.

          Turley is the same guy you daily attack, deminimize, flagellate and beat (because your right hand is just not that into your 3″ pecker).

          You broke my heart when you dumped me for that skank, Svelaz. Now he is a she and we are all laughing at you!!!!

        2. George do you know what ex-parte means ? You can not convince judges unless you are in the room.

          Regardless, these lawsuits are all stupid lose lose for democrats.

          Do you really want to be the party defending waste and fraud ?
          Do you really want to be the party thwarting what 80% of americans and 69% of democrats want ?

          As to the law – Trump is NOT going to win every detail of every single case.
          He will with near certainty lose the Birth-right citizenship EO.

          The courts will NOT likely allow him to completely shutter congressionally authorized departments.

          They will require him to comply with Civil service laws and with negotiated employment contracts.

          But they also will ABSOLUTELY allow him to look for and stop Waste and Fraud.

          They will find that he can fire people for cause and that being openly at odds with the policy of the president is sufficient cause.
          They will find that – so long as he conforms to all of the above – that he can layoff simply as a cost cutting measure large portions of the federal govenrment.
          They will find that he can offer federal employees buyouts and that so long as those are voluntary that they can waive civil service and contract rights.

          They will find that even if he can not elminate departments unilaterlally that he can as Grover Norquist once said.
          Shrink them to the point they can be drowned in a bathtub.

          Trump lost the first and often the 2nd and 3rd round of legal fights over EOs in his first term.
          In the end he wan ALL of them.

          That is where we are headed now.
          Democrats can delay the inevitable.

          But in doing so they put them at odds with the american people AND the law and constitution
          and they expose lots of Judges that need removed.

          If you think this is losing – your an idiot.

        3. Your or the judges beliefs regarding Trump or Musks “claims” are irrelevant.

          There are 2 relevant questions – and Trump only needs to win ONE.

          Does the constitution authorize the president to do any of this ?
          The answer is found in the first sentence of Article II of the constitution.
          The executive power of the united states is vested in the president.

          Do those suing have standing ? the answer is different depending on the plantif, but aside from issues of Federal employment where federal employees are suing – the answer is only congress has standing and congress is not suing.

          There are sub questions – but you can not get to those without getting past both of the above.

          As an example – do the courts have jurisdiction ? And the answer is probably not.

          I know this is hard for left wing nuts – but courts decide the constitution and the law.

          They do not decide what they beleive is the best approach.

          The courts jurisdiction over the executive is limited to the constitution and the law,
          not policies and preferences.

      2. This is a war on many fronts – one the left was stupid to start.
        CBS says Trump is more popular than ever.

        Musk’s popularity is dropping. but that does nto matter. Trump’s is not – that is what matters.

        I am not sure what Musk’s political ambitions are – he can;t be president.
        But he clearly has ambitions.

        He has been apearing at rallies and speaking publicly alot.

        His tweets are great. His public performances are not.

        He did poorly at the WH last night.
        While he had absoltue command of the facts. He did not connect with people,
        and Trump had to keep fixing that.

        But Musk will improve with practice – assuming he continues to want to the the Public face of DOGE.
        Which he seems to want.

        Conversely this will NOT get better for Democrats.

        Teh american people – republicans AND democrats beleive the deficit CAN be cut dramatically by cutting waste and fraud.

        They do not hate govenrment employees – but they do not have sympathy for them either.
        Working class people do not have sympathy for people making six figures.

        Even rational people who are “pro-trans” do not see the basis for paying for Trans operas in Columbia.
        When the Biden admin F#$K up aid to NC – they do not care alot about even reasonable aid in Rwanda.

        Whatever they feel about illegal imigrants – they do not want billions in federal money going to them.

        And eliminating Fraud and Waste is a no brainer to them.

        If Democrats are successful at draging out the legal battles – all they do is keep the issue in front of the american people longer.

        Ultimately no matter what the courts rule – Congress can act.

        Congress is likely to sit on its hands for a while – BECAUSE right now this is a battle between Trump and Musk and democrats.

        As Sun Tzu says
        When your enemy is making a mistake – do not interfere.

    2. And you george just sit here waiting here all day long like a brainless drone to pounce on his every word. So who’s the idiot here?

  5. (OT)

    Leftists and never-Trumpers condemn Trump for the following:

    “US inflation worsened last month with prices for groceries and gasoline heading higher”

    So here we have a two-pronged denial of reality and of causality:

    For four years, the Biden administration asserted that inflation was a myth, transitory, Putin’s fault, good for you . . .”

    Now it demands to know why Trump, in a whole month, hasn’t fixed a problem Leftists claim didn’t exist.

    Make a person morbidly obese. Then demand to know why the nutritionist hasn’t made him thin in a month.

    See what the reaction is.

    1. Trump threatened tariffs and nearly sank confidence in U.S. treasury notes when he stupidly blurted out that some of them may be fraudulent. That’s dangerous, and anything that will spook the markets into thinking U.S. treasury notes are not valid can easily tank this economy.

      Trump is focused on making himself look good by signing EOs and griping about the poor numbers of deportations and arrests.

      People voted for him to lower prices, and he promised to do so on day one. He hasn’t done squat.

  6. Trump has been in office 23 days. His wins on the international scene are already legion. His EOs on the border, getting men out of women’s competitive sports, ending DEI in governmental agencies, and uncovering massive government waste are overwhelming popular.

    Do the trolls really think they’re making some kind of persuasive argument that Trump is somehow failing because there was inflation in January?

    1. Wins? What wins? He got stuff that was already promised before he even took office.

      Inflation will rise because of the tariffs and his failure to lower prices, as he promised on day one is obvious. He’s hoping you will forget about that while he lets President Elon take over.

      They haven’t found anything worthwhile. Elon’s been lying this whole time. He even admitted it at the press conference in the Oval Office and showed zero proof of what he claims to have discovered.

      Trump made several promises about inflation and grocery prices, but he has done nothing to address those issues.

      1. why are you and gigi focused on grocery prices so much? Are you both afraid that your weights will fall below 300 lbs if grocery prices continue to cut into your budgets?
        Trump made several promises, as you said. He has moved forward on the big ones immediately.

    2. OldManFromKS,
      Just goes to show their lack of critical thinking and understanding of economics. They claim Biden had a great economic recovery from COVID. That he created jobs. No, he did not. The economic recovery was lead by Red states reopening their economies. Blue states lagged in their economic recoveries as they tried to keep the locks downs. CA and NY were the two last states in their recoveries. All those jobs Biden takes credit for, they were not new jobs. Those jobs were there just shutdown to the lockdowns.
      The impacts of Bidenflation will be felt for years. I have state such many times here on the good professors blog. Bidenomics propped up a weak economy with massive government spending. Other failed Biden economic policies have hampered real growth. As we have seen, Biden’s policies caused a 24% increase in electricity. It went down 1.8% during Trumps admin. Many of Biden’s Green Deal ventures have failed and that was before Trump won the election.

    3. OldManFromKS,
      Also, Biden did nothing to bring inflation down. That was the Fed raising interest rates.
      Economists have noted there are two ways to bring inflation down,
      1) Raise interest rates in a 70-80s Paul Volcker shock measures.
      2) Cut government spending

      Obviously no one wants a Volcker shock again. So cutting government spending is the way to go. Which is the exact opposite of what Biden did, which is how we got Bidenflation.
      Another minor but still significant source of inflation is illegal immigration and all the government spending that goes toward to house, feed and provide medical care. That is one of the reasons why the Democrats have lost support from the Black and Hispanic community. A lot of aid they have been promised by the Democrats for years and decades suddenly went to the illegals and the Democrats flaunted it in their faces.

      1. Dems have an agenda to destroy the US. It’s Obama’s transform America. The other alternative is Christians are overdosing people on abject disgusting immorality by using dem behaviors. Take your pick.

    4. King Donald and Real President Muskrat just throw out claims about “massive government waste” without any proof whatsoever and the MAGAS believe it. You talk about “persuasive arguments” but there’s no proof of any facts to back up what they say. It’s just like MAGA media claiming there is a “Biden crime family”. No proof necessary and all efforts to come up with proof fall flat— but you still believe it. King Donald is a pathological liar and bully. It’s just like his birtherism lies about Obama—saying he had “people in Hawaii and you won’t believe what they’re finding.” He told that lie on “The Today Show” in an interview with Meredith Vieira.

      What “wins on the international scene” are you talking about? Trump didn’t tell you MAGAs what he traded for that American teacher Putin turned loose did he?

  7. So much for lowering prices…

    “US inflation worsened last month with prices for groceries and gasoline heading higher”

    That would be January numbers, and prices are rising. trump loves himself and I’m sure he’ll tell you prices are actually going down. What are you going to believe? Your eyes? or trump?

    1. “We’re going to go after inflation and we’re going to get it down fast. It’ll be so easy.” — Donald Trump, 2024 campaign speech in Michigan

      1. Yes, opportunists abound. The opportunity to price gouge until someone undercuts that and with a better product at a lower cost.

    2. ^ Paid DNC crybaby loser troll. Ignore. ^^

      PS. The polls show Trump is more popular than ever. Crybaby retards think they can change that with stupid comments on legal blogs. They can’t.

      1. What does that have to do with the price is eggs? Trump declared he would lower prices. He has not done anything to address that. He’s hoping his Trump chumps will forget he was supposed to.

        1. Trump “has not done anything to address” inflation.

          BS.

          Cutting government spending (which the Left is mucking up) *reduces* inflation. (That’s Econ 101)

          As does cutting government regulations and controls, which Trump is currently doing.

        2. Opportunists. Would you rather take care of a million chickens with a lot of eggs at lower prices OR fewer chickens with eggs at higher prices? The variable is labor. Less work of course. Don’t buy eggs.

    3. “US inflation worsened last month with prices for groceries and gasoline heading higher”

      Pretty sure that means January — the month after 4 years of Biden’s inflationary policies.

      It takes longer than that to clean a flooded basement.

    4. We are still feeling the impact of Bidenflation. We will be feeling it for years to come. As I and other economists have noted, the damage of Bidenomics and Bidenflation will take years if not a decade to fix. Bidenomics set us up for a recession in the coming year. Cutting government spending, fraud, waste and abuse could mitigate a recession. Which is why the Democrats are so against it. They knew all their government spending was propping up a very weak economy. They did not believe Trump would win and that Musk and DOGE would be so effective in cutting spending, exposing the fraud, waste and abuse which mostly benefited Democrats at the expense of American taxpayers.

      1. “if not a decade to fix. Bidenomics set us up for a recession.”

        Upstate, your words are valid. We can slide by a recession, but the Democrats hate the nation. They are doing everything they can to prevent the correction for political reasons. They want to win in the midterm and figure that a lousy economy will help them. I am hoping the American people are smart enough to recognize that Democrats and Death are more common than just the first letter.

        They are trying to block everything, including the discovery of fraud and abuse. I think and hope they will lose and that the leftist idiots on the blog are outliers.

      2. We’ve been feeling the impact of immoral food pricing by opportunists. It’s sold by the ounce. It’s simple immorality. It’s not American.

    1. Zelensky is proposing a land trade deal with Russia to end the war. Trump reportedly has spoken with Putin about how to end the war.

      “I am sending Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent to Ukraine to meet President Zelensky. This War MUST and WILL END SOON — Too much Death and Destruction. The U.S. has spent BILLIONS of Dollars Globally, with little to show. WHEN AMERICA IS STRONG, THE WORLD IS AT PEACE,”

      — President Trump.

      1. Upstate, the biggest problem for peace is the egos of Putin and Zelensky. Of course, Biden caused this war in the first place. Peace could have occurred long ago if the US had pledged that Ukraine would not become a part of NATO. Even later, the war could have stopped if the US had wanted that to happen. The most critical land transfers that could lead to peace were Ukraine recognizing the Donetz region as semi-independent under the control of Ukraine, with the Russian language not restricted and a land bridge for Russia to Ukraine. Today, it appears Zelensky will be forced to give up more.

        “WHEN AMERICA IS STRONG, THE WORLD IS AT PEACE,”

        Absolutely. As a hegemon, no one wishes to go to war for minimal benefit. There was a regional balance of power when Ukraine was not perceived as a threat to Russia. Once that perception changed, the balance of power shifted toward the West, which pushed Putin to act, leading to this senseless war that is at the feet of Biden and the Democrats.

        1. S. Meyer,
          Zelensky has the problem that public polling of Ukrainians show they are tired of the war and want peace. He also still has a manpower issue and now even more so then previously a troop desertion problem. I have mentioned in the past what needs to happen is to get both sides to the peace table and hammer out an agreement. Neither side will get everything they want and both sides will have to give up something. Had not Biden squashed the tentative peace deal at Istanbul in the spring of 2020, the Ukraine would of kept most of it’s territory. Now, well, they stand to lose a lot more. Fact is, if they can agree to a cease fire and peace deal, there will be cheering on both sides of the battle lines and many EU countries will breath a sigh of relief, namely those military aged men.

          1. Today, the only thing that prevents peace is ego. If Putin got everything he desired and Zelensky got everything he desired, at this point, both would be big losers.

  8. Jonathan: Did you watch the really bizarre press conference yesterday in the Oval by President Musk and DJT? While DJT sat silently President Musk held court with his kid on his shoulders–as a prop. Musk took a few Qs. One reporter said she fact checked Musk’s claim that 50,000 condoms were sent to Hamas in the Gaza strip and found it to be FALSE. In response Musk admitted he lied: “Some of the things I say are incorrect–they will be corrected”. The Q is whether anything Musk says can be believed.

    DJT and Musk are mad that so many of the EOs are being blocked by the courts. Like the following:
    –Birthright citizenship order–BLOCKED
    –Federal funding cut off–BLOCKED
    –Illegal feds resignation plan–BLOCKED
    –Firing 2000 USAID workers–BLOCKED
    –Drastic NIH grant cuts–BLOCKED
    –Removing public health websites–BLOCKED

    In response to this wave of court orders President Musk bizarrely posted this: “Truly absurd. Judges as website editors? We should at least ATTEMPT to fire this junky jurist. The notion of having a judge job for life, no matter how bad the judgments, is ridiculous”. As a transplant from South Africa Musk doesn’t understand how the Constitution works. Under our system federal judges are appointed for life. They can only be removed by way of impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate. Musk added that “judicial dicktatorship is wrong!” He signed his post “Harry Bolz”–apparently Musk’s new moniker. But maybe Musk will get DJT to just fire judges whose decisions they don’t like. That’s the insanity we see playing out in the new Musk/DHT administration. And it’s only going to get worse!

    Finally, it looks like the business community is starting to turn on the Presidential duo. Hedge fund billionaire Ken Griffin says DJT’s “bombastic” trade wars are a mistake that’s eroding trust in the US.

    1. Is it true or not that there was a multimillion dollar budget item for “condoms” (to buy rocket parts) to be sent to Gaza? Probably not true in that exact form. Has the US been funding absurdities in its foreign aid budget? Hell yes. Has some of that aid found its way into the hands of factions killing US personnel and our allies? Most likely. Let Musk keep digging. A picture will form and get more clear over time.

      Meanwhile, why the F are my tax dollars funding 2000 refugee resettlement jobs in Denmark and thousands more jobs in Jordan?

      https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news/2025/02/11/danish-refugee-council-announces-emergency-termination-staff

      https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-trumps-suspension-of-usaid-has-already-caused-loss-of-35000-jobs-in-jordan/

      There are 195 countries on this planet. I think the American people have a right to know how many embassies and bases there are and how much money is being spent in each country and for what purpose.

      And I’m calling our government’s classification of such information BS. It’s pretty clear that classification and obfuscation are 98% about butt covering not national security.

    2. “. . . bizarre press conference [. . .] President Musk . . .”

      DM and the rest of the Left have a new psychopathology:

      Not TDS. But DDS (DOGE Derangement Syndrome)

    3. Can we trust anything Dennis McIntyre says? Unequivocally, no. At best, he provides erroneous spin. The rest are lies.

      The complete quote from Musk is as follows: “Some of the things I say will be incorrect and should be corrected,” Musk replied. “Nobody is going to bat 1,000. We will make mistakes, but we’ll act quickly to correct any mistakes.”

      “I’m not sure we should be sending $50 million dollars worth of condoms anywhere… I’m not sure that’s something Americans would be really excited about. That really is an enormous number of condoms,”

      As Musk says, people make errors, but unlike Dennis, as soon as the mistake was discovered, Musk immediately set the record straight. Kudos for Musk’s honesty. To the h-ll with Dennis’s lack of honesty.

      But if one reviews Musk’s mistake, it was a simple error. Condoms were sent to Gaza Province, Mozambique, not the Gaza Strip—easy and correctable mistake.

      1. S. Meyer,
        That is the difference between Musk and Democrats/MSM. Musk addresses the issue and sets the record straight. Democrats/MSM just pretend when they make a mistake it never happened, move on, and when someone asks them about their mistake, they point and yell, “Squirrel!!”

  9. (OT)

    Biden’s Pen to Spend Versus Trump’s Pen to Cut

    Here we have yet another, obvious Leftist contradiction:

    With the mere stroke of a pen, Biden can *spend* federal money to pay off student loans. And even after SCOTUS struck him down, he devised other means, via a stroke of his pen, to *spend* federal money to pay off student loans.

    Yet the Left now asserts that it is wrong for Trump, via the stroke of his pen, to *cut* federal spending.

    So the *same* presidential act was for Biden constitutional and lawful, but for Trump is now unconstitutional and illegal.

    Leftists: Pick a lane.

  10. A comment like that in the Biden Administration would cause the minister’s church to lose tax-exempt status and cause said church to be put on the terror watch list, just under the “conservative” Catholic Churches.

  11. Tucker twice now pointed out he was over in Europe in several areas and they were filled with Ukranians with million dollar sports cars buying the luxury items and living in the highest end suites – he emphasized he saw it with his own eyes and ears and it was literally flooded with them.

    It’s clear we have the same type of scammers in DC, but we don’t have a war zone knocking them out to other nations so they are not easily identified in the same foreigner manner.

    It is far worse than we have already found out, and that has brought us from mild to severe and unbelievable already.

    1. Please be aware that Carlson is a media personality. He will say things to get attention. Anything to make money … his job BTW.
      I seriously doubt Carlson had any direct access to those people and and most likely persons feeding him false facts.

    2. Tucker Carlson? A paragon of truth.
      Wow, quit drinking the Kool Aid. Your brain will thank you for it.

      1. I don’t understand this current crop of Republicans that mock freedom fighters instead of admiring them. It makes no sense.

        1. Of course you don’t specify what in the living f**k you’re referring to. But are you equally baffled by the current crop of Dems who love war, hate Jews, hate government transparency and accountability, love censorship, and love agency capture by huge corporations?

  12. Dr of what instigating ignorance Dei Discrimination exclusion in equity I’ll bet you got your payoff doctor. We’ll see how long before you’re in jail.

  13. Tens and tens and tens of millions of dollars spent by the last administration on high end hotels, transportation, medical and food for illegal aliens (what has been found so far).

    Yet, the people in disaster areas are still living in tents.

    I was in the airport in Indianapolis in November on my way to Houston. There were at least 20 or more illegals on the plane. How do I know? Many didn’t know how get in the right line, they were taking photos of the clouds, of the airport, etc. a significant part of them were put in the Economy Plus section that we mere citizens would need to pay an extra 50-75 dollars per seat.

    The bizarre fraud and reckless abuse of my tax dollars is egregious and indefensible. The cockroaches are scrambling!

    Boom!!

    1. E.M. LIAR. TRUMP IS THE PRINCE OF HIGH END HOTELS

      TRUMP STILL SUCKS

      MUSK SALIVATES OVER HIS SPAWN

      DARK AGE OF TRUMP WILL BE MERCIFULLY SHORT

          1. Biden lost because his successes were inordinate inflation, illegal alien invasion, and the irrational promotion of perversion.

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