After returning recently from speaking at the World Forum in Berlin, I testified in the Senate Judiciary Committee and warned about the building threat to free speech from the use of the European Union’s Digital Services Act (DSA). House Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan has taken up the issue and received a letter from the EU’s Vice-President for Tech Sovereignty, Henna Virkkunen. The letter is both evasive and deceptive.
In my book, The Indispensable Right, I detail how the DSA has been used to allow for sweeping speech investigations and prosecutions. In direct contradiction to past statements by the EU, Virkkunen denied any effort to regulate speech or enforce the DSA outside of Europe.
What is particularly maddening is the false claim that the EU remains “deeply committed to protecting and promoting free speech.” Many in the free speech community view the EU and the DSA as the greatest threats to free speech in the West.
In his letter, Jordan correctly raised the concern that the DSA could “limit or restrict Americans” constitutionally protected speech in the United States by compelling platforms to crack down on what the EU considers “misleading or deceptive” speech.
In her response, Virkkunen bizarrely describes the DSA as “content-agnostic” while insisting that the DSA “applies exclusively within the European Union.”
That is not what EU officials previously said or what the law itself allows. Articles 34 and 35 of the DSA require all sites to identify, assess, and mitigate “systemic risks” posed by content, including any threats to “civic discourse”, “electoral processes,” and “public health.” It is up to the EU to define and judge such categories in terms of compliance.
The act bars speech that is viewed as “disinformation” or “incitement.” European Commission Executive Vice President Margrethe Vestager celebrated its passage by declaring that it is “not a slogan anymore, that what is illegal offline should also be seen and dealt with as illegal online. Now it is a real thing. Democracy’s back.”
Some in this country have turned to the EU to force the censorship of their fellow citizens. After Elon Musk bought Twitter and dismantled most of the company’s censorship program, many on the left went bonkers. That fury only increased when Musk released the “Twitter files,” confirming the long-denied coordination and support by the government in targeting and suppressing speech.
In response, Hillary Clinton and other Democratic figures turned to Europe and called upon them to use their Digital Services Act to force censorship against Americans. (Clinton spoke at the World Forum and lashed out at the failure to control disinformation).
The EU immediately responded by threatening Musk with confiscatory penalties against not just his company but himself. He would have to resume massive censorship or else face ruin.
This campaign recently came to a head when Musk had the audacity to interview former president Donald Trump. In anticipation of the interview, one of the world’s most notorious anti-free speech figures went ballistic.
Former European Commissioner for Internal Markets and Services Thierry Breton issued a threatening message to Musk, “We are monitoring the potential risks in the EU associated with the dissemination of content that may incite violence, hate and racism in conjunction with major political — or societal — events around the world, including debates and interviews in the context of elections.”
The EU has long been one of the most aggressively anti-free speech bodies in the world. It has actively supported the evisceration of free speech among its 27 member states. The EU is not “agnostic” when it comes to free speech; it has long championed a type of free-speech atheism. We have faced EU officials engaging in Orwellian doublespeak for years. Nevertheless, Virkkunen’s letter to Jordan stands out for its sheer mendacity.
For George Svelaz and the rest of the ‘ignorami’
Brazen ‘migrant influencer’ who flashed cash, urged other illegals to squat in US homes deported to Venezuela — after causing uproar on flight
The brazen “migrant influencer” who infamously flashed around wads of US government cash handouts and encouraged other illegal border crossers to squat in American homes has finally been deported back to Venezuela — after causing uproar on the flight back.
Leonel Moreno, who encouraged illegal migrants to “invade abandoned houses” in sick TikToks, was sent back to the narco state this week, after President Trump resumed deportation flights to the country. …
Moreno also said he used his 1-year-old baby, a US citizen, to boost his social media presence and boasted that he and his wife didn’t pay anything for their daughter’s birth thanks to “Papa Biden.”
This underscores the critical need for the United States to push back on the censorship movement of the Left, and remain a bastion of free speech.
We came very close to losing that right, when social media aligned with Democrats in government to censor conservatives.
Jonathan: There seems to be a disconnect between your columns and reality. For some time now you have complained that the “EU has long been one of the most aggressively anti-free speech bodies in the world”. Yet you have consistently ignored what is going on here by the DJT regime in terms of anti-free speech actions.
In a previous comment we discussed DJT’s series of EOs targeting law firms and their lawyers by name for retribution. One such firm is Perkins Coie that is fighting back with a lawsuit claiming DJT is violation it’s free speech and association rights. In recent weeks DJT has increased his attacks on free speech. He has revoked 300 international student visas and is trying to deport these students. Here are just 3 important cases:
1. Mahmoud Khalil. He is a Columbia graduate who was a chief negotiator during the student protests last year over the genocide in Gaza. He was picked up by ICE on 3/8 without a warrant. ICE says Khalil “led activities aligned to Hamas, a designated terrorist organization”, even though no evidence was presented to back up that claim. DJT claims Khalil is a “terrorist sympathizer”. At the time of his arrest Khalil was a permanent resident with a green card. Khalil’s wife is a US citizen who is 8 months pregnant. Khalil was moved from NY to a detention facility in Louisiana– probably to make it more difficult for his immigration attorney to contact him.
2. Yunseo Chung. She is a Korean-American Columbia student and permanent resident. She was arrested for participating in a pro-Palestinian protest at Columbia. She is also fighting her deportation in court.
3. Resueysa Ozturk: She is a 30-yr old Turkish national here legally on a student visa. On Tuesday she was stopped on the street by ICE agents and taken away. Ozturk was a Fullbright scholar at Tufts University doctoral program. On 3/26/24 she co-wrote an opinion piece in the “Tufts Daily”, a student newspaper. She called for Tufts to disinvest from companies linked to Israel and “acknowledge the Palestinian genocide”. Ozturk was also moved to Louisiana and is represented by an attorney fighting her deportation.
In none of the above cases are criminal acts alleged against the three. Their only “crime” was to participate in protests or to have written an article in support of Palestinian rights. Now we have the DJT regime that is trying chill dissent by trying to deport those who express any sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians. And in the process targeting non-citizens for arrest and removal based solely on viewpoint discrimination in violation of the First Amendment.
And what is your response to these clear violations of “free speech” rights by the DJT regime? Crickets!
Dennis, with all due respect, Donald J. Trump lives rent free in your mind 24/7. I dare you to go a week without mentioning his name or anything he or his administration has done in the past, present or future.
I double dog dare you.
Regarding the foreign political activists, the sooner they are deported and their visas revoked the better.
They can legally apply for citizenship and if it is granted, they are free to peacefully assemble. Until then, visa holders are guests and must act accordingly.
You don’t get to come into our country as a guest and show support for a known terrorist organization. Try getting into Canada without health insurance.
Hard to believe leftists are that dumb, but it gets proven more every day.
After WWII, English became the global language.
The Constitution and Bill of Rights must have similarly become global fundamental law.
If it’s good enough for the greatest nation in human history, it’s good enough for all nations on the planet.
The Digital Services Act should be the First Amendment Freedom of Speech.
There should be but one global problem: The extirpation of the unconstitutional dominion of the Juristocracy.
The EU is socialist.
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“The goal of Socialism is Communism.”
– Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
“The goal of Socialism is Communism.”
Or Fascism or Nazism. All fruit of the same poisonous vine.
European Union, Soviet Union, pretty much the same thing. Except the leftists are now wiping out the caucasians.
Since Trump got elected, the trolls have been crawling all over this comment board. Reminds me of applying Frontline to my cat and watching the fleas go berserk as their nervous systems caught fire.
@Diogenes
No doubt, as has been the case when the Professor has written about certain topics, usually involving legislation or elections. Quite a coincidence, no?
There is no ‘there’, there with the modern left, just hat tricks and deception, and attempts to prey upon weak people’s weaker knee-jerk emotions (thanks, Obama, who codified it). I have not heard one word of policy from them since around 2015. Not a single word, just never ending petulance and teenage-level defiance. Nancy Pelosi is the queen of a gigantic pile of well-funded sh**. And we can all smell it. enjoy your reign over a gigantic pile of rotten excrement, queen.
I can’t seem to share this article on X,
They have no ideas or solutions to the enormous problems that are facing this country and the whole world. They love hardened criminals and foreign born gangsters. They love wars, get mad a statues and cars.
They think it is cool for men to play in women’s sports and cling to deindustrialization and failing schools. Open borders, displacement of American citizens from timely access to healthcare and education in favor of foreigners.
They are light years removed from common sense. They get their talking points every day and make a lot of noise because they don’t know what else to do.
These are the same people who abandoned Vietnam and Cambodia to allow the Khmer Rouge to kill 10 million people, for the sake of communism. There is a movie called something like, They Killed My Father First. From the memoirs of a Cambodian girl who had to go through hell.
These people are no longer just sick. They are evil….men in girls locker rooms.
Turley– “The EU has long been one of the most aggressively anti-free speech bodies in the world. It has actively supported the evisceration of free speech among its 27 member states. The EU is not “agnostic” when it comes to free speech; it has long championed a type of free-speech atheism. We have faced EU officials engaging in Orwellian doublespeak for years.”
Contrary to what we believed, did the Soviet Union truly win the Cold War?
Seems like.
Patton had an automobile “accident.”
Hillary Clinton “turned to Europe and called upon them to use their Digital Services Act to force censorship against Americans. (Clinton spoke at the World Forum and lashed out at the failure to control disinformation).”
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Hillary seems to be a sort of political herpes.
M. Vestagar: “It is “not a slogan anymore, that what is illegal offline should also be seen and dealt with as illegal online. Now it is a real thing. Democracy’s back.”
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Between the totalitarians in the EU and those in the Deep State in Washington, they are actually beginning to make “democracy” a bad word…at least as they use it.
Democracy is Greek for rule by the demos, the people, not rule by the increasingly despised ‘expert’ class or, for that matter, crazy Bolshevik judges as the Left would have it.
Former European Commissioner for Internal Markets and Services Thierry Breton issued a threatening message to Musk, “We are monitoring the potential risks in the EU associated with the dissemination of content that may incite violence, hate and racism in conjunction with major political — or societal — events around the world, including debates and interviews in the context of elections.”
The EU’s position is that any policy position they agree with incites violence. If Trump said he favors a top marginal income tax rate of 30%, but the EU believed it should be 31%, Trump’s speech would therefore be “inciting violence and racism.” IOW, they are clowns, but not the ordinary kind: they are fascist authoritarian clowns, showing Europe’s true colors . . . which is why we broke from them in 1776.
George, the government is not cracking down on students because of their protests but because they are taking over classrooms and not allowing the speech of those with whom they disagree on campus. You know this to be true and you expose your character by your argument. Those who frequent this platform on a regular basis know what you’re made of. I make my point to inform anyone who is new to the platform what George brings to the discussion. There is one thing in particular that I must remind the reader that George has defended in the past. This one thing would be defending the presentation of one ten year old boy performing oral sex on another ten year old boy in a book available in a school library in Florida. Just so you know where George is coming from.
It’s probably best if we all start ignoring the ignoramuses. they comment, we ignore, move on with real conversations. they respond on a thread, either ignore it or stop that thread altogether.
When they stop receiving their gratification from “triggering” sane people, they will leave.
Thinkitthrough,
“George, the government is not cracking down on students because of their protests but because they are taking over classrooms and not allowing the speech of those with whom they disagree on campus.”
They are cracking down on students for expressing their political views. Because some chose to engage in violence and others to harrass some students doesn’t mean they can group everyone into the same accusations.
The foreign students are being targeted because they are being accused of guilt by association. The government has zero proof that they engaged in the activities the government claims they did. They are using the pretext of “guilt by association” and claim they are supporting terrorist groups to violate their right to free speech an deport them because the govenment and the right don’t like what they are saying.
You’re doing the same thing by falsely accusing and twisting my words into something I didn’t say to smear me. When you don’t have an argument and resort to defamatory accusations and false claims you already lost the argument.
George…he is using your own words. You are the one who is twisted.
What would Ms. Vestager have to say about about her DSA and this blog? There’s your test bed.
Is Virkkunen running an EU chapter of the Babylon Bee? Headline: Proof the DSA is “content agnostic”: They do not censor any mis, dis or mal-information coming out of the EU.
Turley whines about the European Union’s efforts to regulate misinformation and disinformation, characterizing these measures as infringements on free speech. The EU’s interpretation of specific forms of speech as conduct is their right in the understanding of free expression. However, Turley’s myopic views on free speech overlooks similar actions taken by the U.S. government, which also imposes significant restrictions to free speech. This includes the systematic removal of certain words and terms from official government documents and the termination or suspension of employees for expressing opinions related to Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) or even being associated with it is often labeled as “disturbing” or “illegal.” Such actions demonstrate a bias against viewpoints that may be perceived as uncomfortable for the Republican party. Turley remains notably oblivious or just willfully ignorant on this apparent inconsistency in his comments, highlighting a selective attention with the complexities and nuances of free speech in current discourse. This is why his colleagues don’t take him seriously any more.
“Turley whines about the European Union’s efforts to regulate misinformation and disinformation, characterizing these measures as infringements on free speech.”
They are infringements on free speech.
” Turley’s myopic views on free speech overlooks similar actions taken by the U.S. government, which also imposes significant restrictions to free speech. “
WRONG. This has been explained countless numbers of times, but you are unable to understand the reasoning. That is your problem.
Turley is very consistent where free speech is concerned.
S. Meyer,
““Turley whines about the European Union’s efforts to regulate misinformation and disinformation, characterizing these measures as infringements on free speech.”
They are infringements on free speech.”
Not in Europe. The U.S. Constitution has no power in the EU.
“WRONG. This has been explained countless numbers of times, but you are unable to understand the reasoning. That is your problem.
Turley is very consistent where free speech is concerned.”
You haven’t explained squat S. Meyer. Turley is wildly inconsistent where free speech is concerned. It’s so easy to spot and the reason why it’s easy to criticize.
“Not in Europe. The U.S. Constitution has no power in the EU.”
You fail to understand the context of Turley’s remarks. That is because you involve yourself in sloganeering rather than thinking critically. Turley, as an individual, is calling for free speech everywhere. He is not dividing the world up into its parts.
“You haven’t explained squat S. Meyer. Turley is wildly inconsistent where free speech is concerned.”
Wrong, I, Turley and many on this blog have explained to you many times. It is not the lack of explanation but your lack of understanding. Face it. You don’t have the brain power.
S. Meyer, Turley hasn’t discussed anything about the student cases at all. You haven’t provided anything and others have provided vague references with no clear distinction.
You project a lot of your own lack of understanding on others when you don’t have an argument.
” Turley hasn’t discussed anything about the student cases at all. “
You are again demonstrating ignorance. Turley is a lawyer. He deals with the law. The elements of this case are not sufficiently ripe for his type of discussion. Being on the list for so long, you should know better.
“You haven’t provided anything and others have provided vague references”
There was nothing vague about the references. If you felt they were too vague to be of value, you should have brought it up when they were said. You say it now just so you have something to say. You would have been better off shutting your mouth.
Lies, hostility, and aggression seem to be all our modern left has to offer anymore. Covid was the perfect illustration of what they intend and what would be the outcome if they ever have absolute power ever again. That the will of the people is basically being hamstrung by one biased judge and everything could hinge on one special election next week tells me this is not the time to get cocky. Believe their lies at your own peril, and do not relent. Everything is still on the line.
Such is the totalitarianism of the modern EU and its tendrils, and given they do not have our Constitution, Bill of Rights, or separation of powers over there, I am wondering how they avoid an actual conflict if this all continues unabated. The globalists want caste societies, controlled by them, period, make no mistake.
The left whether in Europe or the U.S. hates free speech. There is one man in particular that they are trying their best to shut up. They are calling him a Nazi because he is exposing their schemes to steal BIllions from the American people. They hate him because he is showing in black and white how they have ripped us off for decades. He is not doing his work from the shadows but is publishing the actions of DOGE for all the world to see every day. If you want to know the extent of the theft here is a link. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6370654580112
James, you have no idea what you are talking about. This notion that they have “ripped us off” comes from Trump’s really crappy understanding of how international trade works. You’re just parroting what he’s saying because you have no idea what international trade and the world economy works.
This is basic economics and a matter of who makes better products and who can make them cheaper. Trump thinks the EU or China is ripping us off because they don’t accept an equal number of products that we buy from them. It’s a pretty stupid argument. We DEMAND cheap quality products. How do U.S. companies meet this demand AND still turn a profit? We send production where materials and labor is cheaper. That’s China, Vietnam, Mexico, Argentina, etc. We and when I say “we” I mean Republican businessmen, the “free market” advocates are the ones sending all that production overseas. Because they want maximum profit and the lowest production costs.
We can barely afford even the cheap stuff we get from China and Mexico now. We are nickle and dimed by every single company, utility, and our own government. Do you think that by brining back manufacturing and supply chains here will bring us cheap quality goods? We won’t work for $7hr or even $15hr. When we see McDonalds employees demanding $15hr we balk and whine and complain that they don’t deserve that. It’s just flipping burgers.
Building cars entirely within the U.S will raise the price significantly. Because U.S workers won’t be building cars for $15hr and certainly the unions won’t. Manufacturers will whine about lower profits and investers will harp about poor stock prices because labor is more expensive and health insurance is more expensive. People won’t be able to afford a U.S. Made car and with the tariffs they won’t be able to afford a cheaper made foreign car or truck either.
We will be paying more for everything. Trump won the election because he campaigned on the fact that everthing costs more and inflation. He’s not doing anything to fix that by imposing tariffs and having manufacturers come back and pay more in labor and material costs.
@George
Pfft. 😛
“In his letter, Jordan correctly raised the concern that the DSA could “limit or restrict Americans” constitutionally protected speech in the United States by compelling platforms to crack down on what the EU considers “misleading or deceptive” speech.”
That is a very strange claim. The Europeans CAN restrict American’s speech while using social media platforms in the EU. If social media companies wish to operate in the EU they must follow their laws and regulations. We expect platforms like Tik Tok to do th same don’t we? Seems mighty arrogang to demand the EU adhere to our laws while demanding foreign owned platforms to adhere to ours.
We have a more serious free speech problem here. Our own government is cracking down on free speech of college students because they are critical of policies towards Palestinians and critical of Israel. That’s not making an excuse for those who engage in violence and vandalism. Those people should be charged and prosecuted according to their specific crimes. But Republicans and those on the right are accusing the majority of peaceful protesters of supporting terrorist groups and engaging in violence without evidence and making the case that they ar guilty by association.
Khalil and the Tufts student were arrested and set for deportation just because they dared exercise their right to free speech. Just because they are not citizens does not mean they don’t have free speech rights. Here’s something crazy you should considier about Turley’s agument. He’s whining that the EU is denying Americans free speech on social media in the EU. Guess what? Americans are NOT EU citizens. Based on the right’s twisted logic no American should have free speech rights in the EU because they are not EU citizens. The EU has every right to limit, censor, or moderate speech of Americans on social media IN the EU.
Here at home we are setting a bad example of how we treat free speech. Republicans are all about free speech rights, but only THEIR free speech. Everybody else’s is subject to arbitrary restrictions using civility rules, and “support” for terrorist organizations. What a crock.
The ONLY reason Turley is bashing the EU is because the Trump administration is intent on demonizing the EU. We learned thru the ongoing Signalgate scandal that Trump loaths the EU because he doesn’t understand how foreign policy works.
Turley’s massive hypcrisy on free speech is like a festering boil on his forehead that everyone sees but him. The EU is not the problem. It’s the hypocrisy and arrogance of the right and they don’t like being called out on it, because it is THAT obvious.
“Khalil and the Tufts student were arrested and set for deportation just because they dared exercise their right to free speech. Just because they are not citizens does not mean they don’t have free speech rights. “
Again, Free speech is not the issue. The students violated the INA rules and regulations that permits them to be here. That is why they lost their green cards.
You are all for terrorists, murderers and rapists as long as the left lets them in.
S. Meyer, what rules did they violate? Even you can’t articulate exactly what those rules are.
Accusing them of supporting terrorists without any evidence is just that, an accusation. They are being denied their day in court by quickly deporting them before any court has a chance to weight in. That’s the Trump administration’s strategy and the courts are well aware of that. It’s why they are issuing TRO’s against deporting them.
Kahlil has no crimnal record. He never engaged in violence and negotiating on behalf of students is not a crime or a violation of INS rules. The Tufts student only wrote an op-ed critical of Trump’s adminitration. She didn’t engage in violence or supports terrorists. They were both targeted because of their speech. The government still has to prove that they indeed engage in supporting terrorists. Passing flyers and writing op-eds is not evidence of support. It’s their exercise of their free speech rights.
“what rules did they violate?”
You were provided with the INA rules and the web address, yet you do not know where they can be found. OK, I guess intellectually, you can’t read a simple set of rules.
In Khalil’s case, it seems he lied on his entry questionnaire more than once. Lying on those forms means the green card can be revoked. He associated himself with Hamas directly or indirectly. Since Hamas is a terrorist organization, he can lose his green card. He was associated with violence and threats, all reasons for losing a green card. With the lies on his application, he should never have been let in.
S. Meyer,
“You were provided with the INA rules and the web address, yet you do not know where they can be found. OK, I guess intellectually, you can’t read a simple set of rules.”
You didn’t provide anything. You say that when you can’t produce what you claim.
“In Khalil’s case, it seems he lied on his entry questionnaire more than once.”
Now you’re making stuff up. You don’t know what he said on a questionaire. The government has not produced any evidence that he lied.
“He associated himself with Hamas directly or indirectly. Since Hamas is a terrorist organization, he can lose his green card.”
Where’s the evidence? If you are saying he associated himself with Hamas directly or indirectly then you must have seen the evidence proving that claim true. Since you will not produce or cannot produce the evidence you will be doing exactly what I said is the problem. The accusation that he is associated with a terrorist group is your evidence. An accusation is not evidence.
“ He was associated with violence and threats, all reasons for losing a green card. With the lies on his application, he should never have been let in.“
Do you realize how stupid you sound S. Meyer. If the government knew all this BEFORE Khalil ever entered the country of course he would never have been allowed in. But he wasn’t associated with violence and threats or lied on is visa or green card application. He has no criminal record.
Guilt by association is extremely difficult to prove in court. Especially when the government has no direct evidence. The rules require the he directly engaged in violence and committed a felony, and provided actual support like sending money or supplies to Hamas or any terrorist group. None of that is in evidence and you have no argument.
“You didn’t provide anything.”
Go back and read what I said. Is your memory terrible, or is it your reading comprehension?
“The government has not produced any evidence that he lied.”
The newspapers listed that as one of the reasons for its desire to remove his green card.
“Hamas directly or indirectly then you must have seen the evidence proving that claim true. “
The media also mentioned that and reported on this blog. Why didn’t you take issue with that? That reason was listed on the blog many times.
” The accusation that he is associated with a terrorist group is your evidence. “
It is not my evidence; it is the government’s. Khalil has an attorney who makes the opposing case.
“Do you realize how stupid you sound S. Meyer. If the government knew all this BEFORE Khalil ever entered the country of course he would never have been allowed in.”
You sound stupid. If Khalil lied on his form and was let in, the government would not know there were lies on that form until after he came in. It is part of the law that lying on the form can lead to expulsion. Khalil can try to prove it wasn’t a lie.
“He has no criminal record.”
But that has nothing to do with the claims against him and the attempt to remove him from the country. You talk a lot about irrelevant stuff. You may be unable to discern what is relevant and what is not.
“Guilt by association is extremely difficult to prove in court. “
He is a visitor, so his status is not secure. You draw all sorts of conclusions despite your complaint that no one listed the reasons for his detention. You contradict yourself and demonstrate an inability to think critically. You make things up.
“The newspapers listed that as one of the reasons for its desire to remove his green card.”
The newspapers are not the government S. Meyer. Since when do rely on msm for facts?
“It is not my evidence; it is the government’s. Khalil has an attorney who makes the opposing case.”
An accusation is not evidence. They haven’t presented any evidence. What does Khalil having an attorney have anything to do with your stupid argument? Everyone knows he has an attorney.
“ If Khalil lied on his form and was let in, the government would not know there were lies on that form until after he came in.“
Your only evidence that he lied on the form is that the newspapers said so. That is not evidence.
“But that has nothing to do with the claims against him and the attempt to remove him from the country. You talk a lot about irrelevant stuff. You may be unable to discern what is relevant and what is not.”
That one went right over your head.
“ He is a visitor, so his status is not secure“
He’s a legal permanent resident you dipshit. He has permanent status. He’d not a mere visitor. Learn the difference.
“ You draw all sorts of conclusions despite your complaint that no one listed the reasons for his detention. You contradict yourself and demonstrate an inability to think critically. You make things up.“
Your projection of your shortcomings onto others is hilarious. That’s when you know you have no argument.
“The newspapers are not the government S. Meyer. Since when do rely on msm for facts?”
I don’t rely on your media, but some outlets get it right. I listen to those sources. You listen to the MSM that gets it WRONG. We have to deal with what is available.
“An accusation is not evidence.”
Evidence is what is behind the accusation and gathered over time. You should know that, but it seems you don’t.
“They haven’t presented any evidence.”
They have, but you listen to the WRONG news and, therefore, come up with the WRONG evidence. The place for evidence is in court.
“That one went right over your head.”
No. That quote permitted you to step one and fall on your head. It lacked substance. You are being silly.
“He’s a legal permanent resident you dipshit. He has permanent status. He’d not a mere visitor. Learn the difference.”
You have to be stupid to make that comment. The INA rules exist for those who are not citizens. He has permanent status unless he violates INA rules. That is the situation, so he can leave the country with many of his friends when all the legal fights are over. You can go with him if you want. The country will be better off.
“That’s when you know you have no argument.”
Each of my replies to you contains an argument and data that you have not responded to in a timely manner. Why? Because you are a nincompoop who knows nothing and cannot think.
@George
https://screenshot-media.com/technology/social-media/what-is-professional-trolling/
James – there is no doubt in my mind that George is a paid troll. I occasionally spot-check his comments, and they fit the profile exactly. Always take a position against Trump and against Turley, when shown any weakness in his position he doubles down on error. He hangs out here all day every day. Etc.
Everbody here is a troll. Regardless it’s still people expressing a different point of view and rebutting others. It’s why this blog exists. To have lively debates, disagreements, critcism, even uncivil discussions, insults, and smearing of character, and my personal favorite, personal attacks.
I’m not paid, I’m not a troll either. I just engage in criticsm or counter a point of view like everyone else. Sometimes a subject Turley brings up begs a more passionate disagreement from me, sometimes in increasing rarity I agree with is points. Sadly he’s been posting pointless articles avoiding more serious discussions because he’s afraid of the backlash given the current authoritarian bent of this administration.
@Anonymous
Same here. It is utterly transparent. I do not know why these people (the higher ups) are wasting their money, or as it perhaps turns out, *our* money. George is to be taken as seriously as stepping on a crack in the sidewalk and what that portends. Idiocy. the time he seems to have on his hands to do nothing but exclusively harass us every day confirms the theories.
Truly, truly stupid. There is no other word for it. Just *stupid*. Sane people do not entertain blatant stupidity, they do their best to reign it in, and failing that, let the stupid flail while the rest of us get on with things. No more professionally made signs or prearranged piles of bricks and fireworks with no USAID. Cry, trolls.
George may be a cantankerous and crusty oldster who still thinks Woodstock was last week, but he could equally be some 25 year-old collecting a check. No way to know. What we can know with certainty is that they are to be safely ignored, there is no authority or majority there.
Believe it or not, trolls, some of us are not fragile snowflakes, and we do not fear the future because we know we are capable of doing and dealing with things. That is what agency and autonomy are about, and we are better at it than you. And we will outlast you, ten to one.
FAFO.