For years, the mainstream media has been criticized for open political bias, including repeating false narratives and claims. There is little evidence that that will change despite falling revenues and audiences. That was evident this week as leading journalists continued to raise a dubious claim about the Trump Administration deporting children, including cancer patients.
The media has been promulgating a false claim that children as young as four are being deported. The Administration immediately stated that the decision rested with the mothers on whether they would take the children or leave them in the United States with family.
Many of the same figures accused of promulgating false stories quickly picked up the spin from the Washington Post.
On NBC’s Meet the Press, Kristen Welker pursued the narrative with Secretary of State Marco Rubio:
KRISTEN WELKER: Let’s talk now about some new reporting that came in overnight. I want just to go through it with you and for our audience. Three U.S. citizen children have been deported with their mothers. Now this is according to The Washington Post. The family’s lawyer says one of them is a 4-year-old with Stage 4 cancer, deported without medication or ability to contact doctors. The family’s lawyers are also saying their clients were denied communication with family and legal representatives before being deported, and it’s raising concerns about the issue of due process. That it’s being violated. So let me ask you, is everyone on U.S. soil, citizens and non-citizens, entitled to due process?
MARCO RUBIO: Yes, of course. But let me tell you, it looks- in immigration standing, the laws are very specific. If you are in the country unlawfully, you have no right to be here and you must be removed. That’s what the law says. Somehow over the last 20 years, we’ve completely lost this notion that somehow- or completely adopted this idea that yes, we have immigration laws but once you come into our country illegally it triggers all kinds of rights that can keep you here indefinitely. That’s why we were being flooded at the border, and we’ve ended that. And that’s why you don’t- you see a historically low number of people not just trying to cross our border, trying to cross the border into Panama, all the way down in the Darien Gap. I mean- i it’s been a huge help for those countries as well. On the headline- that’s a misleading headline. Okay? Three U.S. Citizens, ages 4, 7 and 2 were not deported. Their mothers who were illegally in this country were deported. The children went with their mothers. Those children are U.S. citizens- they can come back into the United States- there’s- their father or someone here who wants to assume them. But ultimately who was deported was the mother- their mothers who were here illegally. The children just went with their mothers. But it wasn’t like- you guys make it sound like ICA agents kicked down the door and grabbed the 2 year-old and threw them on an airplane. That’s misleading. That’s just not true.
That would ordinarily leave a journalist looking at their shoes in embarrassment, but Welker decided to double down and add the claim that children are being denied “due process”:
WELKER: Just to be clear, because I do want to get to the overhaul at the State Department. Is it the U.S. policy to deport children, even U.S. citizens, with their families- and I hear what you’re saying- without due process? Just to be very clear there.
RUBIO: Well- no, no, no. No, no. Again, if someone is in this country unlawfully, illegally, that person gets deported. If that person is with a 2-year-old child or has a 2-year-old child and says “I want to take my child with you- with me,” well then you have two choices. You can say yes, of course, you can take your child whether they’re a citizen or not because it’s your child or you can say yes, you can go, but your child must stay behind. And then your headlines would read, “U.S. holding hostage 2-year old, 4-year-old, 7-year-old, while mother deported.”
There is a great deal of litigation working through the courts on the level of due process required for deportations. The public overwhelmingly supports the deportation of unlawful immigrants and elected Trump based on his pledge to carry out such deportations. Unlawful immigrants often spend years in this country despite orders of deportation or removal. The level of review depends on their status. If they have previously entered unlawfully, they are subject to expedited removal.
The critical point, however, is that the children were the ones being deported. If they were born in this country, they are still treated as U.S. citizens (though the Administration is challenging birthright citizenship in the courts). Having a child in the United States does not make parents immune from removal or afford them special legal status over other deportees.
Over at CBS, Margaret Brennan (who was criticized for her “fact checks” in the presidential debate) also jumped on the narrative in interviewing Border Czar Tom Homan on Face the Nation:
MARGARET BRENNAN: On Friday, there were three American citizen children, born here, who were deported along with their mothers from Louisiana down to Honduras. And according to advocates, one of them is a 4-year-old child with Stage Four cancer. A rare form of metastatic cancer who was sent back to Honduras without getting to talk to a doctor and without medication. I understand this child’s mother entered this country illegally. But isn’t there some basis for compassionate consideration here that should have allowed for more consultation or treatment?
TOM HOMAN: Well, it certainly is discretionary. I’m not aware of this specific case. But no U.S. citizen child was deported. Deported means you gotta be ordered — reported by the immigration judge. We don’t deport U.S. citizens.
BRENNAN: The mother was deported along with the children.
HOMAN: These children- Children aren’t deported. The mother chose to take the children with her. When you enter the country illegally and you know you are here illegally and you choose to have a U.S. citizen child, that’s on you. That’s not on this administration. If you choose to put your family in that position, that’s on them. But having a U.S. citizen child, after you enter this country illegally, is not a “get out of jail free” card. It doesn’t make you immune from our laws. If that’s the message we send to the entire world, women are going to keep putting themselves at risk and come to this country. We send a message: you can enter the country illegally, that’s okay, you can have due process at great taxpayer expense, get ordered to move, that’s OK. Don’t leave, but have a U.S. citizen child and you are immune from removal? That’s not the way it works.
BRENNAN: So you don’t think there should be compassionate consideration for a 4-year-old child undergoing treatment for cancer?
HOMAN: I didn’t say that. I said ICE officers do have discretion-
BRENNAN: That was the question.
HOMAN: ICE officers do have discretion. I’m not familiar with the specific case. I don’t know what facts surround this case. I was just made aware of this when you mentioned it this morning. I was not aware of that case.
Brennan correctly noted that a court recently found a lack of due process in a child’s case. However, Holman had a reasonable response in citing the mother’s election in this one case to leave with her child.
BRENNAN: On Friday, a federal judge who was appointed by President Trump said a 2-year-old American citizen child had been sent to Honduras with the mother. But the judge said, quote: “there was no meaningful process.” So again, this is another similar situation and dynamic. Shouldn’t there be special care when the deportation cases involve small American-born children?
HOMAN: First of all, I disagree with the judge. There was due process. That female had due process at great taxpayer expense and was ordered by an immigration judge after those hearings. So she had due process. Again, this is Parenting 101. And you can decide to take that child with you or you can decide to leave the child here with a relative or another spouse. Having a child doesn’t make you immune from our laws of the country. American families get separated every day by law enforcement- thousands of times a day. When a parent gets put in jail, the child can’t go with them. If you are an illegal alien and you come to this country and you decide to have a U.S. citizen child, that’s on you. You put yourself in that position.
BRENNAN: Well, when it came to this particular case, you just pointed out that they could have made arrangements. The father tried, actually, to make arrangements as we understand it through our reporting. But he and the mother who were separated, since she was in detention after showing up for her appointment, was only allowed a very brief phone call. The father tried to petition to get the child handed over to an American citizen relative. So the mother had to make this decision and took the child with her. It just seems like there could be some more time frame here around due process allowed. That’s what the judge is saying, is saying- there should have been more of a process here.
HOMAN: There was due process. The 2-year-old baby- the two year old baby was left with the mother because the mother signed a document requesting her 2-year-old baby go with her. That’s the parent’s decision. I don’t think the judge knows the specifics of this case. The 2-year-old went with the mom. The mom signed a paper saying, “I want my 2-year-old to go with me.” That’s a parent’s decision. It’s not a government decision, it’s a parent’s decision.
BRENNAN: The father wrote a note. Anyhow, we have to leave it there, Director. Thank you for your time today. We’ll be right back.
It is important to note that these are two very different cases that were blended into the coverage. In the second case, the government insists that there was no prior arrangement for the child to be left with the family and that the mother made this decision.
ICE should endeavor to accommodate such requests and there should always be an inquiry into allegations that these women were prevented from making arrangements for their children to remain in the country. However, there will also be practical limits in addressing those issues in the midst of a removal.
If Holman is correct, the mother was in the system long before the actual removal. The father “sending a note” at the end of that process is worth looking into, but it is hardly surprising that the removal proceeded with the mother’s consent.
The same narrative was playing over at ABC as Martha Raddatz had this exchange with former DoJ spokesperson Sarah Isgur:
MARTHA RADDATZ: Sarah, I want to turn here to some information that has been in The Washington Post about deportations of very young children who are American citizens. A 2-year-old, a 4-year-old, a 7-year-old sent back to Honduras. Is that legal?
SARAH ISGUR: This is something our immigration system deals with nearly every day. U.S. citizen children have to make that decision with their parents of whether they’re going to stay. The parent has the decision. We do not allow illegal alien parents to stay just because they have custody over U.S. citizen children, and at least one of these cases with the 2-year-old, the mother was the one who made the decision to take her daughter with her. The father is the one saying he wanted the daughter to stay here. Often times, it’s going to look more like a custody dispute than an immigration question.
Again, as Isgur correctly points out, this is the election of the parents who are being removed.
Critics have pushed back on these interviews, noting how the media seemed only marginally interested in thousands of children lost in the system under the Biden Administration as millions poured over the border. Thousands of unaccompanied children were pushed over the border and then lost by the government, according to the Trump Administration. Many may have ended up with sex traffickers or criminal gangs.
The coverage suggested that children were being thrown on planes to be dumped in some foreign land.
The Washington Post, which is cited for the story, has been repeatedly accused of pushing misleading or false narratives. There was a recent riot in the newsroom when owner Jeff Bezos demanded that the newspaper return to more balanced coverage.
The most telling condemnation came from Post columnist Philip Bump, who wrote “what the actual f**k.” Bump has been repeatedly accused of false claims and previously had a meltdown in an interview when confronted about past false claims. After I wrote a column about the litany of such false claims, the Post surprised many of us by stating that it stood by all of Bump’s reporting, including false columns on the Lafayette Park protests, Hunter Biden’s laptop, and other stories. That was long after other media debunked the claims, but the Post stood by the false reporting.
We have previously discussed the sharp change in culture at the Post, which became an outlet that pushed anti-free speech views and embraced advocacy journalism. The result was that many moderates and conservatives stopped reading the newspaper.
In my book on free speech, I discuss at length how the Post and the mainstream media have joined an alliance with the government and corporations in favor of censorship and blacklisting. I once regularly wrote for the Post and personally witnessed the sharp change in editorial priorities as editors delayed or killed columns with conservative or moderate viewpoints.
Last year, that culture was vividly on display when the newspaper offered no objection or even qualification after its reporter, Cleve Wootson Jr., appeared to call upon the White House to censor the interview of Elon Musk with former President Donald Trump. Under the guise of a question, Wootson told White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre “I think that misinformation on Twitter is not just a campaign issue…it’s an America issue.”
The baby hoax shows that little has (or likely will) change. In the meantime, the public is moving on. New media is rising as mainstream media audiences shrink. Journalists and columnists are increasingly writing for each other as polling shows trust in the media is at an all-time low.
Robert Lewis, a British media executive who joined the Post, reportedly got into a “heated exchange” with a staffer. Lewis explained that, while reporters were protesting measures to expand readership, the very survival of the paper was now at stake:
“We are going to turn this thing around, but let’s not sugarcoat it. It needs turning around,” Lewis said. “We are losing large amounts of money. Your audience has halved in recent years. People are not reading your stuff. Right. I can’t sugarcoat it anymore.”
It simply does not matter. The media continues to vigorously saw on the branch upon which it is sitting.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
There is NO mainstream media, mainstream reporters, or mainstream journalists. In the mainstream media, reporters, journalists, or other such professionals DO NOT exist.
Today, the mainstream media consists solely of PRESSTITUTES.
MSM also tends to out themselves as part of still existing Operation Mockingbird. Just type “Maryland Man” into google “news” tab and see the same chorus all across. As to social media, they outed themselves on an international scale, after DOGE dismantled USAID, and propaganda gravy train with it. All of the sudden agents cry for donations to stay afloat.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/kyivindependent-launch/donate?source=btn_story_donate
Propagandists and Indoctrinationists.
Propagandists and Indoctrinationists!
This is how the left manipulates everything just to attack Trump. Based on their headlines he would have to assume that there was a deportation order for a US citizen, which would make no sense how that would ever come about
And equally valid headline would also read
illegal immigrants kidnap American children, and leave the country
If Donald Tump said it’s a good thing to pet a golden retriever puppy. The democrats would tell you to kick the puppy.
Independent Bob.
I am sure this is a great story and good comments – but as mom of three girls I aM relieved and pissed. I’ve been parenting in fear – but rfk just solved all the child trafficking. they weren’t going to kid nap and sex trafficking my kids. Apparently it was the feds with minors for all the stats. Yet they made me S mom fear like a peep every corner. Turns out nog! Who can I sue all this distress?
And you are polite and articulate indeed.
Jonathan: I don’t know what “polls” you are relying upon. A WP-ABC-Ipsos poll found 53% of Americans now disapprove of DJT’s immigration policies. A breakdown of the polls shows Americans believe immigrants should not be deported without due process rights–the right to a hearing, especially for those who have committed no crimes.
All the TROs and injunctions around the country prohibiting the renditions of immigrants to the prison in El Salvador without affording them of their due process rights has presented the DJT regime with one big headache. On top of that is the disastrous news news headlines reporting of ICE agents rounding up undocumented mothers and their 2 yr. old US citizen children and being put on a plane to Honduras. It is illegal to remove a US citizen from the country without a court hearing. And the mother and her family were denied that. It’s same with the mother of 3 children–all of which are US citizens. The 4 yr. old suffers from stage-four cancer and was not allowed to take medicine on the plane. All these rushed renditions have prevented affording the families with fundamental human rights afforded under international human rights laws. All of these actions show the DJT regime is acting cruelly and lawlessly!
This is why a number of courts around the country have ordered that all detainees are entitled a 21 day notice in a language they understand, the right to speak to attorney and the right to a hearing. That was all denied in all the cases you mention. All this shows the DJT regime is desperate to show its base that is deporting the “worst of the worst, the rapists, murderers and gang members”. But 2, 4 and 7 yr. old’s can’t possibly be in that category. DJT’s deportations are not working and they will fail!
What a load of B.S. where do you come up with these crazy ideas?
What I think is that you and the Democrats are afraid of is America succeeding with good sound policies. Because if America succeeds then you cannot continue to irrationally hate a single human being with such venom.
The Democrats have no solutions, no ideas, no willingness to collaborate. The party embraces criminals, promotes vandalism. What is their alternative? To throw tantrums and stir up strife.
There are no “good ‘ol days” of Joe Biden’s tenure as “President.” Unless, it is 9% inflation and $5.00+ gas, endless wars, shameful withdrawal debacles in Afghanistan, open borders, unhindered drugs, corruption and incompetence.
The President is promoting policies once held by sound, fair minded Democrats of yesteryear. The Democrats are scared and lashing out.
E.M.
Well said and spot on. Democrats have nothing other than “We are ABOVE the law!! Criminal Illegals FIRST!!!”
Aside from opposing everything Trump says or does, many of which are what Americans voted for, Democrats offer nothing of substance. We rejected them in 2024. We need to reject them again in the mid-terms and in 2028.
He counts illegal aliens, beginning with those illegally and unconstitutionally admitted to become citizens on January 1, 1863, all the way up to and including those born in America but not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States (i.e., eligible for jury duty).
Dennis almost no one is interested in your cherry picking of push polls or polls by sources that were often off as much as 10pts through much of the 2024 election.
Reputable polls still put the support for deporting illegal immigrants at super majority levels.
Support for deportation does not drop below a majority level unless ALL of the following are true.
The illegal immigrant has been here for over a decade.
They have strong tines to the community
They have a job
They pay taxes
They are not receiving government support.
They have a family
and they have no criminal activity over the past 10 years.
I would hope that 100% of americans demand due process in any govenrment action.
But the criminal due process required to send someone to prison is NOT the same as that required to send an illegal immigrant home.
The entire purpose of due process is to reduce error.
We do not live in a perfect would – everyone makes mistakes – Government makes lots of mistakes.
It is estimated that about 2.5% of people in prison did not commit the crime they were convicted of.
I think we should do better than that – but perfection is NOT possible.
So there always be some mistakes.
The required due process in government proceedings is proportionate to the consequences of error.
Criminal convictions are difficult to impossible to reverse. if we err and put 2.5 innocent people out of 100 criminally convited into jail for decades – that is a serious harm.
Conversely we have very little due process for a parking ticket. You do not get a jury trial. The burden of proof on the meter made is incredibly low. receiving a parking ticket wrongfully costs you some money.
People being deported are being sent HOME.
If we accidentally deport someone we should not have – they can go to a US embassy get their passport and return to the US.
It is NOT going to take decades to correct the errors.
I also have no idea where you get your information.
everyone deported was provided an immigration hearing – often many of them.
Even if they skipped those hearings, after they are arrested on a deportation order, they sitll get a hearing before an immigration judge.
Like traffic court – those hearings are usually short – there is no criminal penalty and the consequence of an adverse decision is that you are sent HOME.
Even TdA members are getting a Habeaus hearing if they want one.
While we prefer – and this administration is prioritizing illegal immigrants that are also likely criminals. Illegal Aliens who are likely criminals do not get criminal due process unless that are charged with a crime – in which case they go to prison not home.
We rapidly deport people who are LIKELY criminals – people who are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt go to prison – not HOME.
“All the TROs and injunctions around the country prohibiting the renditions of immigrants to the prison in El Salvador without affording them of their due process rights has presented the DJT regime with one big headache.”
There are no such injunctions – because that is not being done – TdA members get a habeaus hearing if they want one.
Pretty much everyone else gets at the minimum one and usually several hearings before an Immigration Court Judge prior to being deported, and after an IJ decides to deport you – you can still file a habeaus petition.
Most of this due process is accomplished quickly – again like traffic court.
“On top of that is the disastrous news news headlines reporting of ICE agents rounding up undocumented mothers and their 2 yr. old US citizen children and being put on a plane to Honduras.”
Did you even read Turley at all – that is just not what is occuring.
“It is illegal to remove a US citizen from the country without a court hearing.”
False it is illegal to deport a US citizen from the US PERIOD.
The only way to deport a US citizen is to revoke their citizenship – and that is extremely difficult and can not be done at all if the person was born in the US. There have only been a very small number of instances of citizenship revokations and these are people like Nazi Prison guards or Drug Cartel leaders.
“And the mother and her family were denied that. It’s same with the mother of 3 children–all of which are US citizens. The 4 yr. old suffers from stage-four cancer and was not allowed to take medicine on the plane.”
True or false – and very few trust you or the media – a child who is a US citizen only leaves the country at the choice of one of their parents.
And if as you claim that child was somehow improperly removed, the child can be taken to a US embassy and brought back to the US by a relative that is a US citizen. Children who are US citizens can enter or leave the US as their parents or legal guardians please so long as they are accompanied by someone who can legally bring them into or out of the US.
” All these rushed renditions have prevented affording the families with fundamental human rights afforded under international human rights laws. All of these actions show the DJT regime is acting cruelly and lawlessly!”
Then you would be able to cite actual law he is violating.
“This is why a number of courts around the country have ordered that all detainees are entitled a 21 day notice in a language they understand, the right to speak to attorney and the right to a hearing.”
All of which they had PRIOR to an order for deportation being granted by an IJ court.
These TRO’s are taking requirements that already exist and doubling them.
With the exception of those who have already been deported ONCE, ICE MUST get a deportation order to remove an illegal alien.
When Trump took office there were 1.3M pending deportation orders – with more added every day – these are people who have had LOTS of due process prior to a deportation order being granted. The due process required before a deportation order is issued varies – but the MINIMUM for those who do not agree voluntarily to leave is 30days usually held in detention before a hearing before an IJ judge with a lawyer provided for people detained within 100 miles of the border. For those who come to a port of entry and ask for asylum – it can take years before their asylum request is denied.
These TRO’s are not because there was no due process. It is because these judges are pretending there was none when there was a great deal and adding additional requirements that are not in the law.
i.e the judges are lawless.
“That was all denied in all the cases you mention.”
False
“All this shows the DJT regime is desperate to show its base that is deporting the “worst of the worst, the rapists, murderers and gang members”.”
Really it shows that the left is deparate to try to find examples where Trump has deported someone who is NOT a likely criminal.
“But 2, 4 and 7 yr. old’s can’t possibly be in that category.”
Correct – and they were NOT deported.
AGain as all the people Turley cited said clearly – YOU CAN NOT DEPORT A USE CITIZEN.
They only leave at the request of their parent or guardian.
“DJT’s deportations are not working and they will fail!”
About 150,000 people have been reported since Jan 20,2025.
You have a handful of incredibly poor examples that you claim are problems and you seek to stop all deportations because of a few cases that were handled lawfully and with extensive due process.
#. The ENTIRE problem began with Barack Obama aka Barry Sotero. It was in the 2nd term people began saying WTH? Who is this? Adopted son in Malaysia, Kenyan citizen by derivative by father, and derivative citizen US by mother. People then understood it was a criminal hoax scheme to raid, loot and destroy the US to remain in power in North America.
The answer to it all is unspeakable.
The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)
Emmerich de Vattel
BOOK 1, CHAPTER 19
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
Don’t you grasp the fact that it is BECAUSE the mass media is propagating false &/or misleading information that the citizens express disapproval in that same media’s polls??
Gen Z Now Makes Up Third Of X’s Audience – Driven By Authenticity, Free Speech, & Memes
“The growth is really coming from Gen Z—I think that’s a surprise to a lot of people in the room. Gen Z now makes up 31% of our audience. Since they value authenticity, they come for the humor, real-time information, memes, and trends,” Yaccarino told the audience.
She continued: “They’re projected to have $36 trillion in spending power by 2030. So when you consider all of that—the power of X, our presence in the real-time zeitgeist, and this accelerating growth—we’re pretty excited about the future of X.”
“X has bypassed—or leapfrogged—legacy media because the new generation is fueled by technology and unrestricted access to information. The way data and content are consumed has changed forever,” Yaccarino said.
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/matrix-cracks-gen-z-now-makes-third-xs-audience-driven-authenticity-free-speech-memes
Gen Z, like more sane and normal Americans value authenticity and free speech. Something MSM fails at over and over again and again.
Loomer has now revealed a massive conflict of interest involving U.S. District Judge Jennifer L. Thurston, a Biden nominee. Thanks to her, we know Thurston’s husband, Marc, is a multifamily real estate broker in California who has clients who are illegal aliens. This means that the Thurston family is getting rich off illegal labor, and she would almost certainly get an earful back home from her husband if she dared jeopardize the gravy train. How convenient that she limited her ruling to only areas that impact the family business. Marc Thurston also makes Instagram videos about how Trump’s mass deportations and immigration policies are bad for businesses like his. Loomer also included one of the videos in her X post.
https://x.com/i/status/1917811081818378497
A Few Good Men, that is what we need but leftists are more concerned with protecting illegal rapists and murderers. Let’s remember the good old days before these people arrived when the left held the doors open.
https://www.prageru.com/video/girling-the-boy-scouts?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_13380410&recent=&donor=
LINCOLN, GRANT, AND BUSH DID IT!
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AI Overview *
The George W. Bush administration suspended the right of habeas corpus for certain individuals. The Military Commissions Act of 2006, signed into law on October 17, 2006, suspended habeas corpus for individuals designated as “enemy combatants” in the Global War on Terror. This act granted the President the authority to establish military commissions to try these individuals and suspended their right to file writs of habeas corpus. The constitutionality of this suspension was highly debated, with some arguing that it violated the Suspension Clause of the Constitution.
Military Commissions Act of 2006 (MCA): This act was a key piece of legislation enacted during the Bush administration that dealt with the detention and trial of “enemy combatants”.
Suspension of Habeas Corpus: The MCA effectively suspended the right of habeas corpus for individuals designated as “enemy combatants” and held at Guantanamo Bay.
* Generative AI is experimental.
So if one of these zealous judges decides to hold any border patrol agent [or on up] in criminal contempt for doing his job and then Trump pardons him, then what?
I recall that Eric Holder was held in contempt of Congress and then…nothing.
Holder appeared to pick his nose during testimony. I wouldn’t mind seeing a border agent urinate on the judge’s bench [or shoes] and then get a pardon.
It’s time these maniacs in black robes got a look at just how few cards they hold in a power struggle. Their biggest club was public respect for the judiciary and they have squandered that. They look like they have been infiltrated by Antifa or MS-13 or others of their ilk.
Exactly
TDA, MS13 and many of the Cartel are now designated terrorist organizations. The President can legally have them vaporized. It is legal but not politically expedient.
These gangs will kill with impunity.
These extreme right wing judges appointed by Trump are completely out of control.
Something needs to be done about it.
Judge Fernando Rodriguez Jr., a Texas judge appointed by Trump, has certified that the Venezuelans targeted for deportation under the Alien Enemies Act can sue the Trump administration in a class action lawsuit.
These extremist Trump judges are completely out of control !!!!!
Gun 2 his head?
So you’re making a big deal that a judge who supports terrorism was appointed by Trump? That’s your whole point? What a douche.
And that will be overturned. Habeaus claims can not be made as a class they are by definition each unique.
Lets presume as an example that the court certifies a class of alleged TdA members – and selects 5 alleged TdA members facing deportation as class representatives. Now lets assume that one or more of them successfully proves they are NOT TdA members.
That says absolutely nothing about the remainder of the class. The only way alleged TdA members could form a class would be if they all admitted to being TdA members, and if they do that – their habeaus claim is immediately dismissed.
OT
If Americans could take their country from Great Britain, the Indians, and the Mexicans, why can’t they take their country from illegal aliens and communists?
OT
China is liable and responsible for the leaking of “China Flu, 2019” and liable and responsible to 195 nations for $200+ Trillion in damages.
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“‘China Flu, 2019’ originated from a laboratory leak of “gain of function” research conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.”
“‘Gain of function’ research should have never occurred and must cease.”
– Robert Ray Redfield Jr., CDC Director, 2018
Stephen Miller reading the MSM the riot act on how despicable they are in their obsession with “due process” for terrorists:
https://x.com/AlexiLalas/status/1917941308586672220?t=70s
This is what birth tourism and illegal immigration is costing you, me, us, and our government:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/texas-hospitals-hit-with-122-million-bill-for-illegal-immigrants-care-in-single-month/ar-AA1DUCk3?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=e883060123ee480b91e47ea8535c7ff0&ei=76
ttps://macleans.ca/society/health/canadian-doctors-say-birth-tourism-is-on-the-rise-it-could-hurt-the-health-care-system/
https://macleans.ca/society/health/canadian-doctors-say-birth-tourism-is-on-the-rise-it-could-hurt-the-health-care-system/
O T – how much money do rich Democratic women spend on facelifts? Even Hillary is trying to look younger. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14669655/hillary-clinton-unrecognizable-taut-faced-photos-date-night-bill.html Shouldn’t that money be spent on the needs of the poor?
No, it takes a village to pay for them.
Lin – excellent!
It’s their money, they can spend it however they like. They will try to spend our money for their virtue signalling. That makes me angry.
NB: they are wasting it🤣
“Attractive Marxist” is an oxymoron.
MSM – the most corrupt and destructive institution in America. The institution that pushes hoax after hoax after hoax. The institution that fabricates, spins, and lies. The institution that refuses to report events that contradict the deep state narrative. F them.
Talk about “media hoaxes”–From Huff Post, today’s date:
“For the third day in a row Wednesday, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt hosted a special press briefing for pro-Donald Trump influencers, who heaped praise on the president’s policies, cracked anti-immigrant jokes and asked Leavitt for parenting advice as she showered them with compliments in return.
“We are embracing and empowering new media like never before. You are all a testament to that,” she said Wednesday at the third such “influencer briefing,” as she called it.
“The Trump White House will speak to all media outlets and personalities, not just the legacy media who traditionally has covered this institution. Tens of millions of Americans are now turning to social media and independent media outlets to consume their news, and we are embracing that change, not ignoring it,” she said at the first influencer briefing Monday.
“A select group of D.C.-based journalists no longer have a monopoly over press access here at the White House,” she continued.
But the sessions have unfolded less like an auxiliary press briefing and more like a gathering of pro-Trump propagandists and conspiracy theorists licking Leavitt’s boots and parroting Trump’s favorite talking points.
The first question at Monday’s briefing went to right-wing influencer Arynne Wexler, who kicked things off with an anti-immigrant joke.
“I can attest to the deportations in Florida. My Uber drivers finally speak English again, so thank you for that,” she said Monday to laughs in the room before asking a question about how Trump’s administration will punish institutions that defy his executive order about “men masquerading as trans women.”
Others, when given the chance to ask questions about issues that impact millions of Americans, used the opportunity to heap praise on Leavitt and quiz her about her parenting style.
“You’re a very high-profile young mother who seems to juggle and balance it all beautifully. What advice do you have to young parents out there who are starting their careers, having kids, building families and trying to find that balance so desperately?” pro-Trump TikTok influencer Link Lauren, branded by the internet as “MAGA Malfoy,” asked at Tuesday’s influencer briefing. Leavitt responded that Trump doesn’t get enough credit for hiring parents.
Lauren wasn’t the only influencer to praise Leavitt for being a mom. Bo Loudon, an 18-year-old influencer with accounts dedicated to Trump, said she was inspiring to his generation because she’s a young press secretary “who is a wife and a mom.” He reminded his followers of this again after the briefing, writing on X: “She’s a wife, a mom, and has become widly [sic] popular.”
The press secretary returned compliments to the influencers, praising alt-right conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec on Wednesday after he reiterated Trump’s talking points about the “rise of violence” from “the far left.”
“I absolutely agree with the premise of your question, which I usually don’t when I take questions at a podium,” Leavitt told Posobiec.
She offered similar praise to Dom Lucre, a conspiracy theorist influencer who asked if Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton would be investigated over supposed election integrity violations.
“It’s refreshing to actually hear a question on election integrity, because the legacy media would never ask such a question. They’re so out of touch with where the American people are on this issue,” Leavitt responded at Wednesday’s briefing.
In an apparent disregard for journalistic ethics, another new media personality told Leavitt she uses her platform to promote Trump’s policies.
“We love working with the administration to really tout policies that work for families and work for small businesses in this country,” Patrice Onwuka of conservative talk radio station WMAL said Tuesday.
Leavitt’s special influencer briefings come as the Trump administration ramps up its war with traditional media. In February, Leavitt announced the administration would no longer allow the White House Correspondents Association to manage the rotation of outlets in the press pool, and hours later, the White House informed HuffPost’s White House correspondent that he would not be allowed to trail Trump the next day.”
You have to be really deep into MAGAt Land not to see what a total hoax that dumb bottle blondie liar is when she pretends to be qualified to be a “press secretary”. The oligarchs who dreamed up MAGA media to get tax breaks and elimination of environmental regulations are now treated as legitimate journalists.
HuffPost, one of the most biased and DNC talking points. Not credible. No one believes them. Except dupes. Like you.
Huffpost. Not worthy of comment.
However,
“Just look at the simple matter of Abrego Garcia–Trump was ordered by the SCOTUS to facilitate his return, which a now-fired former prosecutor admitted, in open court, was a mistake. MAGA media tries to parse the word “facilitate” into something other than “bring him back”. ”
Gigenius, you are such a moron.
First of all, the word facilitate IS distinctly different than effectuate. SCOTUS made the distinction, not MAGA media. In fact, they specifically went out of their way to make the distinction. They even said that if the judge meant “make it happen”, then the judge was out of line.
Secondly, you are a LIAR. SCOTUS said to “facilitate his RELEASE”. Quote.
They stopped short of saying bring him back for a VERY specific reason, moron. They can’t order that. He has NO RIGHT to be present in the US.
Any further deportation action for Garcia will be done in absentia. Because he has NO LEGAL RIGHT to be returned to the US, because he had NO LEGAL RIGHT to be here. He admitted to crossing the border illegally and was denied ASYLUM.
If Garcia returns to the US, he will be guilty of a FELONY, for entering illegally a second time. Anyone who “facilitates” his entering the US will ALSO be guilty of a crime. Some dufus judge cannot make it not a crime.
You, as a MAGAt, are parsing words. Abrego Garcia was not convicted of anything–unlike Trump, who IS a convicted felon. Trump announced that, even though he could do so, he was NOT going to pick up the phone and arrange for his release. His deportation was IN ERROR–Pammie Jo Blondie’s DOJ prosecutor admitted this when asked by a judge why he was deported–and the prosecutor was then fired for telling the truth. YOU are the LIAR here–the issue is DUE PROCESS–not the merits of anything else–and the SCOTUS said he was entitled to DUE PROCESS before being incarcerated out of the country, potentially for life, when he had never been convicted of anything. From “Scotus Blog”, dated 4/10/25:
“The application is granted in part and denied in part, subject to the direction of this order. Due to the administrative stay issued by The Chief Justice, the deadline imposed by the District Court has now passed. To that extent, the Government’s emergency application is effectively granted in part and the deadline in the challenged order is no longer effective. The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. For its part, the Government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps. The order heretofore entered by The Chief Justice is vacated. (Detached Opinion) Statement of Justice Sotomayor, with whom Justice Kagan and Justice Jackson join, respecting the Court’s disposition of the application. (Detached Opinion)”.
Just HOW is “facilitate” different from “effectuate”? It’s clear what the SCOTUS said should happen–“that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.” Trump made clear what he is NOT going to do–anything to get his return, and he even relied on an obviously photoshopped photo to try to make the case that he had MS-13 tattooed on his fingers.
It appears that the “MS-13” characters in the alleged photograph of Garcia’s hand have been added or superimposed.
HOWEVER
that does not prove anything.
It may have been added to show that the superimposed characters above the tattoos are intended to explain or show what the tattoos mean. After all, who would be ignorant enough to tattoo himself with deportable evidence?
That could be what Trump meant (that the tattoo identifying membership is real).
But he could have done a better job explaining it. Instead, he left media to do their own ‘splainin’
The fake “MS-13” was added to give Trump cover for his wrongful deportation of Abrego Garcia, and when the ABC journalist pointed out the obvious fact that “MS-13” was fake–which anyone with grade-school level perception could plainly see–Trump, as usual, doubled-down and kept arguing with him. Trump can never admit he is wrong and refuses to be told what to do by anyone, including the SCOTUS. His arrogance is simply nauseating. From “The Associated Press”:
“During a contentious exchange about deportations in his interview with ABC News’ Terry Moran this week, President Donald Trump brought up — from his perspective — how Moran had gotten into the White House in the first place.
“They’re giving you the break of a lifetime, you know,” Trump said in Tuesday’s prime-time broadcast. “You’re doing the interview. I picked you because, frankly, I never heard of you, but that’s OK.”
Emphasizing again that it was his choice that Moran was there, the president scolded, “You’re not being very nice.”
From an ethics perspective, it’s considered a breach for a news organization to let a newsmaker dictate who will conduct an interview. In the real world of competitive journalism, things aren’t always so simple.”
So if King Donald deigns to allow you to interview him, you are supposed to feel lucky and are not supposed to disagree with him, no matter how outrageous his comments are–even when he makes up lies. If you dare to challenge him over an obvious lie and his refusal to abide by a SCOTUS order–you are “not being very nice”. The issue here is accountability. Trump refuses to be accountable for anything. He can’t defend the wrongful deportation of Abrego-Garcia or losing the issue before the SCOTUS, so he just tries to make up facts.
TO GIGI THE INTELLIGENCE QUOTIENT-CHALLENGED ONE,
Looks like the above comment went right over your head. Terry Moran and Trump appear to be arguing about two different things, whether the photo was real. The Photo WAS real, doctored or not. And Trump may have been referring to the fact that the symbols/images in the tattoos were acceptable or recognizable CODE for MS-13 affiliation. Neither side is proven to be correct at this time, we just don’t know yet.
But your unflappable acceptance of any anti-Trump, anti-Turley interpretation only shows how GULLIBLE you are to confirmation bias.
“Maybe the tattoos are code for MS 13, we just don’t know yet”
What an idiot.
PROVE IT !!
MAYBE pigs really can fly, we just don’t know yet
MAYBE the Tooth Fairy is real, we just don’t know yet
MAYBE Santa Claus is real, we just don’t know yet
MAYBE the Earth is flat, we just don’t know yet
MAYBE Bigfoot is real, we just don’t know yet
MAYBE the Loch Ness monster is real, we just don’t know yet
MAYBE the Easter Bunny is real, we just don’t know yet
MAYBE the Moon is made of green cheese, we just don’t know yet
MAYBE there really is a little man in the fridge who turns the light on, we just don’t know yet
What an idiot,
I never cease to be amazed at the ability of MAGA morons to twist themselves into pretzels to try to normalize Trump’s insanity.
It looks like this is all he was saying.
From Politico
“We asked the White House whether “MS-13” is tattooed on Abrego Garcia’s hand or whether the photo had been altered, perhaps to show that each of the pictorial tattoos represented one of those letters or numbers. The White House did not respond to our inquiry.
“We also asked Abrego Garcia’s attorneys about the photograph and their client’s tattoos. They did not respond.
Looks like he was just allowing for the DEVELOPMENT of evidence.
So YOU are the one who has made up your mind and tried to convince everyone else that your view is the right one,
Gigi – I have no idea if the Tattoo was a fake. Trump has often retweeted memes by others and we all know Trump is not spiderman or superman no matter how many Superman memes Trump retweets.
At the same time – the claim that it was fake – comes from You and parts of the media that told us the collusion delusion was real, that the hunter biden laptop was fake, and that Covid came from bats in a wet market.
People do not beleive you anymore. They do not beleive your lies.
They do not beleive it if you tell the truth.
They do not even care what you say.
There are many sources as well as 3 court findings that Garcia is MS13.
That ship has sailed.
The judge who demands proof is violating the rules of judicial procedere.
The finding that Garcia is MS13 is a FINAL determination of the courts – Garcia allowed his right to appeal to expire.
It is no longer reviewable by other courts.
But if you demand proof – there is plenty if you bother to search for it you will immediately trip over it.
The tattoos on his fingers are real. They clearly observable in other pictures. Especially the selfie he and his girlfriend took standing in front of a mirror. Odd, though that his girlfriend added two red hearts to the picture, trying to hide the tattoos.
Now, googoo, Garcia doesn’t have to be here in the Country for his case to be resolved. So, you can rest easy he will get everything he deserves.
Get a grip fella.
Trump insisted that the photo WAS NOT ALTERED.
He insisted that it was real.
You say the photoshop job does not prove anything.
REALLY ?????
It unequivocally proves Trump is a liar and a conman.
It would have been easy for him to say that the symbols were code for MS13.
BUT HE DIDN’T. !!!!!
HE INSISTED IT WAS REAL.
You are just twisting yourself into a pretzel making absurd assumptions in an outlandish attempt to normalize Trump’s obvious insanity and mental impairment.
It looks like this is all he was saying.
From Politico
“We asked the White House whether “MS-13” is tattooed on Abrego Garcia’s hand or whether the photo had been altered, perhaps to show that each of the pictorial tattoos represented one of those letters or numbers. The White House did not respond to our inquiry.
“We also asked Abrego Garcia’s attorneys about the photograph and their client’s tattoos. They did not respond.
Looks like he was just allowing for the DEVELOPMENT of evidence.
So YOU are the one who has made up your mind and tried to convince everyone else that your view is the right one,
Gigenius,
I dont care about all that angry nonsense, as it just paints you as a
lunatic. But you, as a libturd doubled down on your idiocy with this.
“Just HOW is “facilitate” different from “effectuate”?”
Why don’t you ask the Supreme Court? THEY made the distinction, or did Rachel Madcow not tell you that when she was giving you your opinion?
fa·cil·i·tate
/fəˈsiləˌtāt/
verb
make (an action or process) easy or easier.
ef·fec·tu·ate
/əˈfek(t)SHəˌwāt/
verbformal
put into force or operation.
Do those look like synonyms to you? If so, then we cannot have a
discussion, because you are a moron.
SCOTUS SPECIFICALLY SAID that they don’t mean the same thing.
But one thing is obvious, even to a moron like you:
RELEASE and RETURN are not the same thing.
The AG cannot “put into force” the RELEASE of Garcia. He could
potentially facilitate it.
But he cannot RETURN him. Which is why SCOTUS DID NOT say RETURN him.
He cannot come back here. He has NO LEGAL right to be here. It does not matter that he has not been charged with a crime. He crossed illegally and was denied asylum.
Do you not even know the very basics of immigration law??? It would seem that you do not. Or else you just like to rave like a lunatic. He was denied asylum. Do you not know what that means?
Garcia had his day in court. He was DENIED ASYLUM and left with NO LEGAL RIGHT to be here.
When they “handle his case as it would have been” it will be in absentia. The only way they can handle it “as it would have been” is if he is not here, because otherwise they would be handling it as a felony re-entry.
and he will be
deported to a 3rd country, OR…
the ATTORNEY GENERAL, who has the SOLE AUTHORITY to DECIDE (the EXACT
words are “if the Attorney General DECIDES), that Garcia was a gang
member, can in absentia decide to deport him to EL SALVADOR. Look it up. You rely on Rachel Madcow too much.
8 USC 128.16 Gives WHO the authority to DECIDE if Garcia was in a gang? The District Judge??? A jury??? The Supreme Court???
Look it up, moron.
Gigi, Please READ the SCOTUS order you cite. If you have to strain to reach your hoped for meaning – then your reading is wrong.
Absolutely nowhere does it say return. BTW Garcia was “released” from CECOT and Bukelle put him into a different prison
You say Trump could have asked Bukele to return Garcia.
Which he could – but Trump made clear he does not want Garcia.
And Bukele knows that.
That means all YOU are trying to do is to force Trump to LIE to Bukele, and even if you succeed in getting Trump to do so.
Bukele will KNOW that Trump is lying, that he does not want Garcia returned.
This is one of the problems with the use of FORCE – maybe you can control peoples ACTS, but you can not control their hearts, their wishes.
To get Bukele to return Garcia SCOTUS must actually remove Trump. You can order people to lie. maybe you can make them lie.
But you can not make them or others beleive the lie.
The courts have significantly overstepped. They quite litterally do not have the power to do what they seek to do.
The do not have it constitutionally.
And they do not have it practically – There is a reason that foreign affairs is the exclusive domain of the executive.
Because since the courts can not control foreign leaders and governments, they also can not control those who negotiate with them.
Either the courts must do something they do not have the power to do – replace Trump as president and substitute themselves,
or they can not get what they want.
Again you can order people to lie, but you can not kake others beleive the lie.
I think googoo should fly down there, break him out from wherever he is, bring him back, proudly cross the border and right into the hands of the waiting CBP & ICE. Who can then, prosecute googoo, and deport Garcia right back to his native land…tout de suite…
@Gigi
Pbbbbbbblt. 😛😛
So What ?
The constitution has no requirement to be a journalist.
Most new media journalists have more integrity and are better educated and more honest than a radonmy selected WaPo or NYT reporter.
Harris spent Millions to get interviewed by “Influencer Whose your Daddy.”
There is absolutely a war between the legacy media and the new media – and the new media is winning.
BTW the new media is pretty representative politically – Glen Greenwald, Alan Derschowitz, Matt Taibia, Micheal Shellenberger are all democrats.
Regardless if Trump wishes to only take questions from Brietbart – that is their perogative.
The traditional media can and will report the news with their typical far left spin regardless of Levitts choices.
If the MSM has actual consequential influence – Trump and Levitt will have to give them the lionshare of time or lose their ability to be heard.
Conversely if people are relying primarily on new media – it is the job of the MSM to figure out how to get their market back – not the WH press secretary.
There you go again, stinking up the comments section with your vile emesis.
#. Welker repeatedly says, an American born child. She’s attempting to get Rubio and Homan to acknowledge birth right citizenship. No, Welker, the citizenship is inherited from the known citizen father. Where are they? Alleged citizens…it’s nothing but a set-up. Minors and infants are with the custodial parent. In fact Welker, if one parent is a citizen the child can be born in Timbuktu. Inheritance.
I’d put a tail on these 3 after deportation and note where they go and where the child is. I’ve learned cynicism. Believe nothing.
Some people are so depraved including doctors they’ll say a child has cancer, treat the child until the child dies just to collect and split insurance money. Vile creatures.
The borders will need to be militarized here forward. Coast guard for water and –airports. This is cartel territory that has taken over Latin America and spread here. Vile.
^^^AND the 14th has been so misconstrued 😂. Slaves had no other nationality. I PRESUME the 3 mothers do have a nationality, Mz Welker…
Take care
Old Nan ^^^
In all of these immigration cases, the Left yammers on in vague generalities about “due process,” court hearings, judges, appeals, proper notifications and arrests, “illegal” deportations, ad nauseam.
They clearly know nothing about the particular immigration laws that govern such cases.
They might try reading the 1996 “Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA),” signed into law by Clinton. They might learn something. Not that it will matter.
The general masses think due process means the oj Simpson trial. 9 months, sequestered for—> show me your passport and visa.
For years, the mainstream media has been criticized for open political bias, including repeating false narratives and claims.
The Left hate truth, hate women, hate freedom, hate Democracy. They are loathe to criticize authoritarian zealots especially Islamic extremists inciting violence in America or abroad. It is after all what Democrats advocate in America. Democrats / MSM facilitated (to use a trendy word) the rise of the Taliban in Afghanistan after Biden’s disastrous pullout from that country. It is where American servicemen died, Afghans literally dropped from the sky and plunged to their death as they clung to a departing US military aircraft in flight, Biden admin left $7 billion in military equipment in Afghanistan, and true chaos surged thereafter in Afghanistan. Since then Afghan women have been beaten, killed, treated like slaves, traded as property and some commit suicide instead of being forced into marrying a Taliban. No wonder Democrats / MSM would rather change the subject and distract from their handiwork
Democrats / MSM create a narrative that Trump has created chaos (in their political careers) in order to ignore the chaos they facilitated in places like Afghanistan. AG Pam Bondi cant charge them with the crime of cowardice because there wouldnt be enough Democrat Federal Judges who would violate their masters in The Resistance™ nor enough prison space to lock them up. Export them to Afghanistan especially the Democrat women Federal Judges and Members of Congress. They would look better in a burka (Arabic: برقع).
Young Woman Burns Herself to Death to Escape Forced Marriage to Taliban Member’s Brother
KABUL, AFGHANISTAN – A 20-year-old woman in Afghanistan’s central Ghor province has died after setting herself on fire to escape a forced marriage to the brother of a Taliban member, according to local sources.
The victim, identified as Abida, ended her life on Sunday in Taywara district. Local sources said she used petrol and wood to burn herself. A video obtained by KabulNow shows people attempting to extinguish the fire, but by the time they reached her, her body was fully burned.
The tragedy highlights the increasing number of suicides among women and girls in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, many linked to forced marriages. Rights groups say Taliban members are often involved in such coercion.
An earlier report by the Afghanistan Human Rights Center (AHRC) found that 51% of forced and underage marriages were linked to Taliban fighters and local commanders. The report noted that some women opted to marry ordinary men to avoid being compelled to wed Taliban members.
https://kabulnow.com/2025/04/young-girl-burns-herself-to-death-to-escape-forced-marriage-to-taliban-members-brother/
Estovir,
I was deployed to Afghanistan for a year. I saw what and how they treated women. The men saw woman and girls more like livestock. Something to be traded or bartered for. One man raped his cousin, claimed she did so by wearing a burka that showed her ankles. They stoned her to death. We tried to set up a school for young girls. The Taliban poisoned them and killed a number of them. We gave them small pox vaccines. The Taliban saw the small pox scar, would amputate the arm. Not all Afghanistan men were like that. Just the extreme orthodox Taliban or those who attended Iran madrassas. I was not fighting for some kind of bringing democracy to the third world of third world countries but for those women and girls.
Biden failed them. And they are suffering since.
Upstate, thanks for your service. How long do you think Gigi, George S. and the drunk would remain alive in Afghanistan? Everything they stand for gives advantage to such enemies of civilize people.
S. Meyer,
I will not lie, I have a degree of PTSD over what I saw them do to women and girls. To this day, it sets my blood on fire. There is right. There is wrong. And what the modern left Democrats represent is wrong. Them, defending illegals, rapists, murders is wrong on so many levels.
Gigi in Afghanistan would be raped and stoned to death for just even speaking her mind. I may not agree with what she says, but I would fight and do everything I could to protect her from those Taliban insurgents. No one, and I mean no one, deserves to be treated like livestock. We need to protect our women and children.
I have known Muslims, broken bread with them, I work with them, even dated a Palestinian woman decades ago. Taliban are not Muslims. They are terrorists. They use religion as a smoke screen to commit brutal violence. No one who believes in Allah would do what the Taliban do to people in general.
Democrats are worse than Taliban: they use women, people of color like you and me, folks who are on the margins, the downtrodden, anyone who they can manipulate to vote for them. But if these folk step out of line, they are as good as dead, figuratively and/or literally. I recently read a joke that applies to politicians like Democrats:
Idolizing A Politician is Like Believing The Stripper Really Likes You
https://www.amazon.com/Idolizing-Politician-Believing-Stripper-Really/dp/B0BHC7JYMM
As S. Meyers will tell you, I have visceral hatred for Marxists, hence my often passionate comments on here re: political affairs in America. David Horowitz died yesterday. May he rest in peace. I learned about him back in the 1990s when I was in medical school at the University of Florida, where Commies gathered regularly on campus. His comment back then is more applicable today than ever
“Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out.”
― David Horowitz
PTSD is difficult. It is my understanding that some folks with PTSD use a daily prayer life, meditation and their Faith to put it in check. From a medical point of view there is much comfort and harmony in having a daily life of ritual. Since you’re a farmer, I’m sure you get that: farm work is a ritual in many ways.
Cheers
typo: From a medical point of view there is much comfort and harmony in having a daily
life of ritualritual in one’s lifeEstover & Upstate – thank you both for sharing your thoughts and experiences! That’s one of the things I like best about this blog, when we get to learn a little about each other and share helpful and insightful information and commentary.
Recently I found myself watching some news blooper reels on YouTube. Some were so-so, but a couple of them had me laughing out loud and put me in a giggle fit. I then remembered something about Art Linkletter and looked up health benefits of laughter. Mayo Clinic had quite a bit on it, e.g.:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/stress-management/in-depth/stress-relief/art-20044456
It seems to me one of the easiest “therapies” in the world to simply look up laugh-inducing videos on YouTube. Estovir if you have anything to add from a medical standpoint, I’m all ears.
We can not control external stressors but we can control our response to them. I have posted several times readings from the Liturgy of the Hours, a Catholic daily devotional that goes back to the Early Church. Priests, bishops, nuns pray the LOH twice a day. It is my daily ritual upon waking, and it helps me connect with God but also to recalibrate my stress. Throughout the day I will take a few minutes to meditate – sometimes just standing in a hallway for 30 seconds, other times closing the door to my office for a few minutes and reassessing how I am responding to the stressors of the day. The lay term is called “mindfulness” but it comes from monastic origins known as “centering prayer”. Whatever you wish to call it, such a daily practice can have immense benefits physiogically as to hypertension but also psychologically. Stress is connected to hypertension. Below is a citation that is fairly recent. Hypertension has historically been said to be caused by unknown origins. We are now learning in cardiology that society stress manifests itself in the CV realm: inflammation, heart attacks, hypertension, sleep apnea, etc.
Whatever your religious persuasion, or non-religious, I can’t recommend more strongly the practice of adopting a daily ritual of meditation, focusing on the “big picture” and approaching life accordingly.
UpStateFarmer has his own monastery in the great outdoors. You don’t need to go to St. Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican to pray. UpStateFarmer can do it on his own property, and tackle his PTSD accordingly. It might not cure it but it will definitely arm him with tools.
I hope this helps
Walther, L.M. and Wirtz, P.H., 2023. Physiological reactivity to acute mental stress in essential hypertension—a systematic review. Frontiers in Cardiovascular Medicine, 10, p.1215710.
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/cardiovascular-medicine/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2023.1215710/full
Thank you Estovir.
Here is another article but this one is based on original research whereas the one I posted yesterday is based on literature review. They both have their strengths and limitations. The one below also has broader application to general health, not just hypertension. Inflammation at the molecular level is driven in large part by the innate immune system (myeloid cells) and is the starting point of many medical pathologies like heart disease
UpstateFarmer, take note
Collectively, our findings suggest that Psychological Stress primes the reprogramming of myeloid cells to a hyperresponsive inflammatory state, which may explain how PS confers inflammatory disease risk.
Barrett, T.J., et al. (2021) Chronic stress primes innate immune responses in mice and humans. Cell reports, 36(10).
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(21)01033-0
Free link PDF download
Estovir,
I thank you for your kind words. I do what I can to put that anger behind me. It is sometimes not easy. Being a farmer, with nature helps. I only wish I was stronger to overcome the darkness. But I am doing better.
Thank you.
“David Horowitz died yesterday.”
Estovir, thank you, I didn’t know he died. I have known of him since he wrote and published Ramparts magazine. He was fascinating, a red-diaper baby with Stalinist parents who never changed. After Khrushchev revealed Stalin’s atrocities to the world, he distanced himself by becoming an intellectual leader of the New Left. That is where communists changed their looks while remaining the same.
He remained on the left, advising Huey Newton and the Black Panthers, but suddenly disappeared as he went quiet and reappeared as a conservative icon. The bookkeeper who he recommended was killed (not proven) by the Black Panthers. I’m sure our leftist friends would disagree on our characterizations on the left.
On the right, he was a prolific writer and debater. I spoke to him several times, and though you may never have seen him, you can read his books. His series, The Black History of the American Left, will take you on his journey from Marxism to conservatism, with different books discussing different themes, is just a fraction of his written works. He will be missed.
Gigi in Afghanistan would be raped.”
Upstate, does she care about those who rape and murder, here or abroad? Not a bit. Just listen to her. She defends the indefensible. You’re a better man than I am, because I wouldn’t lift a finger to protect her. She’s not the solution. She’s the reason we need one.
There’s no cure for PTSD. R&R. Replace what are old memories with good events now. The farm and its pleasantries…
NotReallyaFarmer
Now I know for sure that you live in a make-believe fantasy world disconnected from reality.
The last recorded case of smallpox was in 1977.
It was declared eradicated in 1980. No further cases have been recorded.
The vaccine is no longer given to the general public.
However, US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq were vaccinated against smallpox in case of a biologic attack with this virus.The vaccine was in very short supply and there was a struggle to provide enough for all the troops.
There absolutely was NEVER enough vaccine available to distribute to civilians in Afghanistan.
And there would be no point in doing so because the only chance of infection would be from a biologic attack.
Your story about amputations of arms with a smallpox vaccine scar is an old urban legend.
This story of yours is just as imaginary as your farm.
Loser,
Then why do I have the small pox scar on my left arm? It was required to deployment. So goes the anthrax vaccine.
BTW, my general also got the vaccines. He was a good man.
You, loser, not so much. Always remember, you are a loser.
Did you read and comprehend my comment???
I clearly stated that US troops deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq were vaccinated against smallpox in case of a biological attack with that virus.
There was barely enough vaccine for the troops, and certainly none was given to civilians.
Ask me how I know this.
Your story is an urban legend and you are delusional.
You are a liar and a loser. It is that simple. I was there.
I have no doubt that you were there.
I have no doubt you received the smallpox vaccine.
I also know with absolute certainty that there was never enough vaccine to give to the civilians.
We barely had enough vaccine for the troops.
There was reasonable concern at the time about a biological attack using smallpox
You are just repeating an old urban legend.
You are delusional.
Loser, civilians are not a DoD issue. US military are. We are and were government property. If anyone is delusional it is you.
I have absolutely no idea what this comment is supposed to mean.
You seem to think that I am denying that you got the vaccine.
I am not saying that you did not get the smallpox vaccine.
I am explicitly acknowledging that you got the smallpox vaccine along with the other troops.
YOU said that YOU gave the smallpox vaccine to Afghanistan civilians, and that the Taliban cut off their arms when they saw the scar.
That did not happen.
There was barely enough vaccine for the troops.
The vaccine was not given to Afghanistan civilians.
You are delusional.
You are just repeating an old urban legend that you have heard.
I’d like to know how you know, because it sounds like you dont. But thats not unusual.
The availability of additional smallpox and anthrax vaccine will allow for vaccinating all servicemembers assigned to U.S. Central Command, and many serving in U.S. Pacific Command, said Dr. William Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs. This includes troops assigned in South Korea.
Dr. Winkenwerder said he could not provide the numbers of troops affected by the policy change, other than saying “tens of thousands” would be vaccinated. The policy change, he said, was not precipitated by a definite threat increase.
https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/136600/dod-expands-troop-anthrax-smallpox-vaccination/
https://medcoeckapwstorprd01.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/pfw-images/dbimages/Baghdad%20to%20Bagram%20Final.pdf
Here is an excerpt:
“One of my jobs at Camp Udari was to update all of the soldiers’ vaccinations. The smallpox vaccine was a critical one and in short supply. We had to execute this vaccination mission quickly as we would soon be leaving to go to our staging area. All 900 soldiers in the battalion were subsequently vaccinated, and I thought the mission was accomplished—until the unit ballooned to 2,000 soldiers when we became a task force. Suddenly, a large number of soldiers needed vaccines and we did not have enough. The day before we were to assemble at the staging area, I still had about 70 soldiers who needed to be vaccinated. I went to the CSH, and after some negotiating with the pharmacist, I arranged to have enough vaccines for all of our soldiers. We got what we needed, and I was a success in my commander’s eyes. That night we were served steak for dinner, and we prepared to leave for the staging area.”
There was NEVER enough vaccine to give away to civilians.
It was a struggle to get enough for the troops
^^^ your comment doesn’t make sense I’m sorry to inform you, anon.
In what way does it not make sense ????
Kindly elaborate, instead of making stupid, baseless, unsupported statements.
https://x.com/Shariakill/status/1917485697222537454
Our glorious Left will push tolerance, make legal room for sharia, and make muslim holy days federal holidays.
As soon as enough Americans wake up they’ll realize this is a war.
Instead of training the Afghan men to fight, we should had trained the women to fight. Because they had a hell lot more to lose than the men. Maybe then the Taliban would had never regain control of Afghanistan. Perhaps I was being a bit hyperbolic with that statement of mine but I feel there’s some truth in what I said. : )
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Are we (the taxpayers) financially supporting any persons no longer living in the USA? If those deported were receiving any government (federal or state) aid, were those benefits discontinued or are they being continued?
“The Baby Hoax: Reporters Repeat False Narrative Over Child Deportations”
– Professor Turley
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Those aren’t “reporters” or “journalists,” those are anti-freedom, anti-American, communist propagandists and indoctrinationists.
Where is Joe McCarthy when you need him?
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“[We gave you] a republic, if you can keep it.”
– Ben Franklin
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You couldn’t.
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“We the People of the United States,…secure the Blessings of Liberty to OURSELVES AND OUR POSTERITY….”
– The American Founders
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You didn’t.
We shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that the purpose for the existence of politicians is not necessarily viewed in the context of the purpose for the existence of government. Of course governments and those we elect to them have a purpose, but the purpose for the former has largely been subordinated to the purpose for the latter. As a result, over the last 30 or so years we’ve created a political sport dominated by two teams playing a zero sum game. Until President Trump came along, under unwritten rules long established, bipartisanship was always a win-win for politicians, and potentially a tangential win for the people. Now that this administration is reestablishing the rules for commonsense, constitutional “good governance”, bipartisanship is viewed as a defection from one team to another. And a win for one team is viewed as a loss for the other. This dichotomy of purposes is best reflected in the 80/20 divides among the people on major policy issues like illegal immigration and crime.
OLLY,
That is a very good comment and interesting analysis. Thank you. I would only add that those on the the 20%, Democrats, are all for lawlessness, corruption and power. The rest of the 80% stand firmly against them. As the far left wing woke leftists and Democrats continue to amp up their violent rhetoric to 11, we, the sane and normal ones, need to remind them we will not go quietly into the dark. If they want to go there, we will oblige them. With regret it came to that. But it needed to be done to save our Constitutional republic and restore law and order.
The gas light party.
Independent Bob,
Correct. That describes the modern Democrat party and MSM to a T.
I would only add that those on the the 20%, Democrats, are all for lawlessness, corruption and power.
Upstate, I believe that’s entirely the result of the Trump administration changing the rules of the game as I previously stated. Trump did something that neither “team” had dared do for decades…actually end the bureaucratic stranglehold of government, end the waste, fraud and abuse of taxpayer money and literally put the interests of the United States and it’s citizens first. This is not that complicated. We may call it TDS, but President Trump is playing an entirely different game than the Democratic party. One that on major issues, 80% support. Democrats aren’t even in the same stadium. At this point, they’re acting as hooligans on the outside and all they need to do is recognize and accept the new rules of the game that the 80% support. Once they do that, they’ll be back in the game and the electorate will help them rebuild “their” team that is competitive within a restored, constitutionally-limited form of government.
Ignoring the Constitutions and federal law is not a “game” that Trump is playing. Nor does his EOs change the “rules of the game”. What Trump is doing is fascism.
Franke, we’ve already established you don’t know what fascism is. At this point, you’re just broadcasting brain-dead takes that actively harm the country. Every post is empty, like static noise with no signal. I genuinely wonder what’s it like drifting through life completely unmoored from thought?
S. Meyer,
Is that not the narrative, that is failing, of the leftists Democrats? Franke is nothing more than a stupid leftist Democrat. Please, Franke you useless fu$k, you and people like you will continue to lose elections.
How marvelous!
^^^^ UpstateFARner?
What Trump is doing is fascism.
Franke, since you’ve not provide any concrete examples to prove your assertion, nor have you provided your operational definition of fascism, I chose to ChatGPT a definition that we may work from:
A widely accepted objective definition of fascism—drawn from political science and history—identifies it as:
A far-right, authoritarian ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy, often combined with militarism and belief in national or racial rebirth.
Key Features Commonly Agreed Upon:
Authoritarianism – Centralized, autocratic leadership with little or no democratic input.That would be your ilk. ✅Ultranationalism – Exaltation of the nationor raceabove all else; emphasis onethnic or cultural purity.America First – ✅Militarism –
GlorificationA commitment to ourof themilitary and readiness for conflict. ✅Suppression of dissent – Through censorship, violence, or police/intelligence control.That would be your ilk. ✅Cult of personality– A leader isreveredhonored as a heroicor infalliblebut fallible figure. ✅Anti-
liberalsocialist and anti-communist –Strong opposition to democracy, individual rights,Again, that would be your ilk. Marxism,and pluralism.✅Mass mobilization – Use of
propaganda andrallies to unify the public underonean America First identity. ✅MythReality of national rebirth – Promises to restore the nation to a former greatnessor purity.✅I can’t tell if you are trying to prove or disprove US fascism. But whatever you motivation is, you did demonstrate that the US under Trump is fascist.