“You Don’t Listen to the Press . . . I’m Telling You”: Post Columnist Philip Bump Strikes Out at Those Questioning Prior False Claims

I recently wrote how the Washington Post issued a statement that declared that the newspaper was “standing by” columnist Philip Bump on his proven false claims on subjects ranging from Lafayette Park to Russian collusion. Bump’s prior claims have not only been conclusively shown to be false but other major media outlets have now rejected those claims. However, the Post claimed this week that they are in fact true in response to one of my earlier columns.

Now, Miranda Devine at the New York Post has written about a meltdown by Bump in a podcast interview with Noam Dworman, owner of New York’s own Comedy Cellar. Dworman had asked Bump to explain some of his claims and Bump offered one of the most vivid examples of the new media and it is chilling. After declaring that “I’m gonna lose my mind,” he stormed out of the interview after refusing to address the contradictions and dubious claims in his prior columns.

Dworman’s podcast interview stands as one of the most revealing and vivid examples of how the media has changed in the age of rage.  Bump moves quickly from the conversational to crazed when simply asked about the basis for his claims in the Washington Post.

Dworman was asking about the mounting evidence and contradictions in the Biden corruption scandal. Some of us have said that there is evidence of obvious corruption and influence peddling, but more investigation is needed to establish any basis for impeachment or criminal charges involving President Biden.  Bump, however, will have none of it. The Post writer (who demanded investigations of a wide array of Republicans on false stories with little evidence) is vehement that there is nothing to see here . . . and the public just has to take his word for it.

Dworman remains polite and pushes Bump to simply engage him in explaining some of the countervailing evidence. Bump responds “I just I’m gonna lose my mind. I’m gonna lose my mind.”

As the interview shuts down, Dworman asks “is there nothing we can talk about … half the country believes this stuff.”

Bump: “I know, because half the country doesn’t actually dig into the issues.”

Dworman: “Here’s your chance to disabuse people. They don’t read the Washington Post.”

Bump will have nothing of it as Dworman continues to try to get him to explain his controversial writings: “There’s just no point, because all you want to do is you want to have me here as the putative expert so that you can present me with things that have been debunked multiple times that I’ve written about.”

Dworman: “What’s been debunked?”

Bump: “These, these claims. I’ve written about this, this argument about his dad calling him. I’ve written about this. Did you read what I wrote?”

Dworman: “It’s not debunked. Neither of us were there.”

Bump: “Well, I debunked it in the standpoint that I’ve already addressed this and presented the counterarguments to it.”

Of course, Bump has been repeatedly shown to have pushed false claims and then refused to admit to his errors. Moreover, he has repeatedly been criticized for not honestly presenting the counterarguments.

Dworman makes another valiant effort: “I have two issues here. One is Joe Biden’s behavior and one is the issue of the press. The press actually bothers me more than Joe Biden.”

Bump, however, has all but left the building: “Because you don’t listen to the press. I’m sitting here and I’m telling you, you’re wrong about these things, and you don’t listen, and you continue to insist upon things that are, you know, parsing of language. And it’s just, it’s this is why I keep saying it’s silly.” He then says that he is leaving.

Dworman responded “Well, it’s a shame because this is a good conversation.”

Bump: “It’s not a good conversation, because you refuse to listen to what I’m saying to you. You asked me on to present evidence. I keep telling you.”

However, what he “keeps telling” Dworman and the public is to just accept his conclusions and not question his support and analysis.

Bump then walks out with a statement that captures perfectly the new media. He first attacks independent journalist Matt Taibbi and says that he has “an agenda.”

Dworman delivers a haymaker in response and states “You have no agenda.”

That is when Bump delivers his exit line that foreshadowed the Post statement on my column: “I do have an agenda … My agenda is to do my best to try and present accurate information to the public. And I have an institution behind me to hold me to account when I don’t do that, which I think is an important consideration.”

Indeed, the Post would then stand entirely behind Bump and claim that all of his false statements were true.  Even when other media have acknowledged that these claims were false, the Post insists that they remain true. Thus, the Post is now saying that the following are true despite findings by inspector generals and special counsels to the contrary: (1) Bill Barr did order the clearing of Lafayette Park for the Trump photo op, (2) Barr also lied when he denied the use of tear gas by federal personnel in Lafayette Park, (3) there was never any spying on the Trump campaign by the FBI, (4) Hunter Biden’s laptop was seeded with Russian disinformation, and (5) the Clinton campaign was not behind false Russian collusion claims. It is all now deemed true by the Post. It appears that, if “Democracy dies in darkness,” journalism more often dies in the light of day.

After all, the problem is not that they are false but that people just “don’t listen to the press. I’m sitting here and I’m telling you, you’re wrong about these things, and you don’t listen.”

Update: Bump later objected to the coverage as misleading and unreflective of the interview as a whole. In the interview, he states that the interview had gone longer than originally planned. I added this video version of the interview posted by Live From the Table to help viewers reach their own conclusions. Notably, around the 13 minute mark, Bump is asked about how the Ukrainians were supposed to take the involvement of Biden’s son on one of the most corrupt companies in the Ukraine and a company then under investigation for corruption. Bump admits that the “entire reason that Hunter Biden was on the Burisma board was absolutely too present the image of the Bidens being involved in Burisma.” Bump also admits that this was an influence peddling operation by Hunter and others, but insists that there is no basis to suggest that President Biden was part of the scheme.

154 thoughts on ““You Don’t Listen to the Press . . . I’m Telling You”: Post Columnist Philip Bump Strikes Out at Those Questioning Prior False Claims”

  1. It’s much easier to present the truth than it is to present a series of lies. The truth simply has one version.

    Sadly, we are seeing a case of a reporter with a significant newspaper telling complete lies to make the world believe that he is presenting the truth. I am shocked that he still has a job with The Washington Post. He should have had his desk cleaned out long ago. Does the Post care about its reputation?

  2. Biden used fake email names to hide his crimes. The national archives is fighting their release, 5400 of them, and perhaps thousands more.
    Why would Biden do this, the emails are in the archive, so what’s the crime claim the demoncrats.
    Well no one could discover them if they don’t know what they are, so the crimes are hidden in the archives.
    Unfortunately, pedopete’s drugged up crack addict son left his laptop at a repair shop abandoned, and the fake biden email mob boss corrupt deal names were discovered.

  3. “…it was a campaign call”
    ROFL
    Yeah, after the votes were cast, after all the running was over with…. makes sense, do a blind deaf marlicin tweedlebug

  4. ‘𝐂𝐫𝐨𝐨𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐂𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐞’: 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐞𝐝 𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐛𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐡 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐚 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬-𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐩𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧, 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐥𝐨𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐲
    ,,,But to some people in Coffee County, deep in southern Georgia and far from interstates, the alleged crimes were merely the latest chapter in a local history of failing to secure the rights and votes of residents. And they worry it’s a history that will repeat. ,,,
    By Elle Reeve and Samantha Guff, CNN ~ September 2, 2023
    [LINK://] cnn.com/2023/09/02/politics/georgia-coffee-county-breach-voters/index.html

    𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 − 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐧’𝐭 𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐲
    On June 20, 2023, Hunter Biden, the second son of President Joe Biden, entered into a plea agreement with prosecutors related to tax-related charges and the illegal possession of a firearm.
    On July 26, the plea agreement was challenged by the judge in the case. She wanted to know more about any immunity being offered, given that Hunter Biden is under several federal investigations.
    By Joshua Holzer – The Conversation ~ August 31, 2023
    [LINK://] rawstory.com/special-counsels-are-intended-to-be-independent-but-they-arent-entirely/

    𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩-𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐆𝐞𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐢𝐚 𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐛𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐡 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐢𝐫𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐞 𝐚𝐥𝐚𝐫𝐦𝐬 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐝: 𝐫𝐞𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭
    Long before Coffee County, Georgia became a central focus of accusations of attempted election tampering in the 2020 presidential election, there have been accusations from locals claiming there have been problems with the election officials who were recently indicted.
    By:Tom Boggioni ~ September 2, 2023
    [LINK://] rawstory.com/trump-georgia-election-tampering-2664793515/

    𝐋𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐨𝐰𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐥𝐝 𝐰𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐨𝐧 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐚𝐫 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐫𝐮𝐧𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐞
    Some legal experts have pushed the idea that former President Donald Trump is facially ineligible to even run for president again at all, due to his support for the rioters who stormed the Capitol on January 6 — seemingly contradicting the 14th Amendment’s prohibition on those who “engaged in insurrection” from holding federal office. Two of the most prominent advocates of this theory are retired Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe, and conservative former federal Judge Michael Luttig.
    But unfortunately, that is probably not going to hold water, argued legal analyst Charles Coleman on MSNBC Friday.
    By: Matthew Chapman ~ September 1, 2023
    [LINK://] rawstory.com/cold-water-trump-insurrection/

    𝐄𝐱-𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐜𝐮𝐭𝐨𝐫 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐜𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐨𝐨𝐭 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐛𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐭
    It remains legally unclear whether there is a realistic ability to disqualify former President Donald Trump from the ballot under the 14th Amendment, which has a provision barring insurrectionists from serving in public office. However, former federal prosecutor Joyce Vance outlined what it could look like on MSNBC Friday evening.
    By: Matthew Chapman ~ September 1, 2023
    [LINK://] rawstory.com/trump-2664773238/

    𝐄𝐗𝐂𝐋𝐔𝐒𝐈𝐕𝐄: 𝐇𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐅𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐏𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐃𝐎𝐉 𝐓𝐨 𝐈𝐧𝐯𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐉𝐨𝐞 𝐁𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧’𝐬 𝐀𝐥𝐢𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐀𝐬 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐭 𝐎𝐟 𝐂𝐥𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐟𝐢𝐞𝐝 𝐃𝐨𝐜𝐬 𝐂𝐚𝐬𝐞
    The Heritage Foundation’s Oversight Project is pressing the Department of Justice (DOJ) to look into the aliases Joe Biden used while he was vice president as part of special counsel Robert Hur’s investigation into whether Biden mishandled classified documents.

    Heritage wrote a letter to Hur’s office Wednesday to bring attention to the multiple aliases Joe Biden appeared to use for government purposes when he was vice president, the Daily Caller has learned.
    James Lynch Investigative Reporter ~ August 31, 2023
    [LINK://] dailycaller.com/2023/08/31/heritage-foundation-robert-hur-investigate-joe-biden-classified-docs/

    𝐆𝐎𝐏 𝐈𝐧𝐯𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐬 𝐒𝐞𝐞𝐤 𝐁𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐧 𝐂𝐨𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐈𝐧 𝐁𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐏𝐬𝐞𝐮𝐝𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐦 𝐌𝐲𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐲
    A pair of Senate Republicans want to know if nine boxes of materials retrieved from the Boston office of a personal attorney to President Joe Biden contained any pseudonyms or personal email addresses.
    Sens. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Ron Johnson (R-WI) sent a letter this week to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), asking whether the agency has reviewed the contents of the boxes obtained earlier this year from Patrick Moore’s law firm in Boston after allegedly being moved from Biden’s former think tank office in Washington, D.C.
    By: Daniel Chaitin ~ Aug 31, 2023
    [LINK://] dailywire.com/news/gop-investigators-seek-boston-connection-in-biden-pseudonym-mystery

    𝐅𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐞𝐫 𝐃𝐞𝐩𝐮𝐭𝐲 𝐀𝐭𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐲 𝐑𝐨𝐝 𝐑𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐢𝐧 𝐣𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐚𝐰 𝐟𝐢𝐫𝐦 𝐊𝐢𝐧𝐠 & 𝐒𝐩𝐚𝐥𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠
    By Sarah N. Lynch ~ anuary 8, 2020
    [LINK://] reuters.com/article/us-usa-moves-rosenstein-idUSKBN1Z72EO

    𝐃𝐞𝐩𝐮𝐭𝐲 𝐀𝐭𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐲 𝐆𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐥 𝐑𝐨𝐝 𝐉. 𝐑𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐢𝐧 𝐃𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐅𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐰𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐑𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐤𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐃𝐞𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐉𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐞
    Washington, DC United States ~ Thursday, May 9, 2019
    [LINK://]justice.gov/opa/speech/deputy-attorney-general-rod-j-rosenstein-delivers-farewell-remarks-department-justice

  5. OT,
    Was there someone trying to claim the GA Trump trial would not be televised?
    Georgia Trial Will Be Televised
    “A Fulton County judge on Thursday said that all court proceedings in the election interference case against former President Donald Trump and 18 co-defendants will be live streamed and televised.
    Judge Scott McAfee also said he is following the precedent set by fellow Fulton Judge Robert McBurney; all hearings and trials will be broadcast on the Fulton County Court YouTube channel.”
    https://www.ajc.com/politics/fulton-judge-says-trump-court-proceedings-will-be-televised/GNUTN4TYAVCQ7IPMOONTIY6SJM/

    Just FYI.

  6. Bump reminds me of a 6 year old, sticking his fingers in his ears, running in circles, crying,
    “LALLALLLALALALALALAALALALALICANNOTHEARYOULALALLALALALALALALAA!!!!!!!!”

  7. Ooooh, the NYT and WaPo. There you have it folks, it must be true.

    i·ro·ny1
    /ˈīrənē/
    noun

    a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.

  8. While I don’t agree with it I can almost understand why a “reporter” would ruin their reputation going after Trump, even with false accusations, because they have convinced themselves that Trump is Hitler. But how can a guy like Bump ruin his already tattered reputation by defending Joe Biden and Hunter Biden? Bump, and everyone else in DC, have known that Joe Biden is a liar since at least the 1988 presidential election season when he Joe Biden made a complete fool out of himself, and now Bump is dying on a hill of defending a guy he knows is a liar, a guy he has to know is a crook and a guy that is running for re-election with obvious dementia.

    You know that Philip Bump will be reading all of these stories and all of these comments and I hope he realizes that he is now a joke (he has always been a joke to many of us, but now it is widespread) and it is over defending JOE BIDEN. WOW!

    It is one thing for contrarian gadflies and trolls like “Anonymous” and other obsessed commenters to beclown themselves over Biden, but for “professional” writers like Bump it is laughable to crash and burn over Joe Biden. Hey Philip, think what you have done to your career by defending the indefensible.

    1. Agreed,…

      It all boils down to the top democrats and their media shills obsession to create an Orwellian “Ministry of Truth”.. Where they can lie shamelessly, lie often, but it counts as “truth” because it hurts the opposition and they love that.. But ALL opposition to their lies is “debunked”, just because they say so,, “So SHUT UP you heretics.. WE are “TRUTH!!!”…

      like Fauxchi’s claim to BE “science”..

      1. Mark, their definition of debunked is just them saying something isn’t so. In the podcast Bump states, “people just don’t listen to us”. It is absurd.

  9. @charliekirk11

    Joe Biden—has a drawer full of burner phones, 5,400 emails from 3 fake email pseudonyms, conducted 20+ phone calls with Hunter’s foreign oligarchs, and received $50 million in foreign influence peddling income, according to Congressional accounts, into 20+ shady Llc’s via dozens of shady bank accounts, paid out to 9 different Biden family members:

    – 0 consequences.

    Donald Trump—legally contested election results in the courts using precedents established in the 1870s, 1960, and 2000:

    – 4 indictments
    – 2 impeachments
    – 1 mugshot
    – $100 million in legal bills

    ________________________

    May God bless President Trump
    May God bless America
    May God F&ck Joe Biden right into prison where he belongs

    1. May God F&ck Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the psychotic America-hating Communists in the Democrat Party of today.

        1. What?
          You mean obey the law? The same ones you keep claiming he sees himself as “above the law.”
          What a dumb comment.

          1. The mugshot picture is owned by the county, in Atlanta, not by #PO1135809, technically violating copyright law.

            1. FW – I would think that a mugshot cannot be copyrighted by anyone, since it is a public document. A trial transcript cannot be copyrighted.

            2. So now fulton county owns donald trumps likeness. Good one fishlips.

              If you say this stuff out loud before you post, it might help.

        2. Duke La Crosse Case

          The Duke lacrosse case was a widely reported 2006 criminal case in Durham, North Carolina, United States in which three members of the Duke University men’s lacrosse team were accused of rape.[1][2][3] The three students were David Evans, Collin Finnerty, and Reade Seligmann. The accuser was Crystal Mangum, a student at North Carolina Central University[4][1] who worked part-time as a strip tease dancer.[5] She alleged that the rape occurred at a party hosted by the lacrosse team, held at the Durham residence of two of the team’s captains, and where she had worked on March 13, 2006.

          Investigation and resolution of the case sparked public discussion of racism, sexual violence, media bias, and due process on campuses. The former lead prosecutor, Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong, ultimately resigned in disgrace, and was disbarred, and briefly imprisoned for violating ethics standards.

          On April 11, 2007, North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper dropped all charges, declaring the three lacrosse players “innocent” and victims of a “tragic rush to accuse”.[6][7]

          Cooper described Nifong as a “rogue prosecutor”; the district attorney withdrew from the case in January 2007 after the North Carolina State Bar filed ethics charges against him. In June 2007, Nifong was disbarred for “dishonesty, fraud, deceit and misrepresentation”, making him the first prosecutor in North Carolina disbarred for trial conduct.

          Seligmann and Finnerty were arrested and indicted on April 18 on charges of first degree forcible rape, first degree sexual offense and kidnapping.[42][43][44][45] The same day, search warrants were executed on Finnerty and Seligmann’s dorm rooms.[46] Seligmann reportedly told multiple teammates, “I’m glad they picked me”, alluding to a solid alibi in the form of ATM records, photographs, cell phone records, an affidavit from a taxi driver, and a record of his DukeCard being swiped at his dorm.[47][48]
          _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

          “Get the hell away from black people.”

          “Black people are a hate group.”

          – Scott Adams, “Dilbert”

  10. @shellenberger
    The foundation of our legal system, “Equal Justice Under Law,” is in grave danger. The Justice Dept. is actively undermining the prosecution of the president’s son while seeking to incarcerate his political rival. Biden is destroying the legitimacy of our democratic system.

  11. @martyrmade
    It’s no longer hyperbole to say that we live under an occupation regime. Learn to live undercover the thumb of a state that is actively hostile to you. Follow its rules enough to stay off their radar, but you owe it absolutely no loyalty and should do anything you can to sabotage and gum up its operations (without putting yourself at risk). When you have to deal with a government agent, you are dealing with an enemy. They would happily send you to jail for life, to leave your children without a parent, and would celebrate if you were shot like Ashli Babbitt. When bad things happen to hostile government officials, do not be tempted into compassion or sympathy. You are under attack. It’s time to get into a war mentality.

    And even as I write this, I have to say, start being careful about what you say on the internet, because the 2 am knocks on the door are not far away.

    1. Not a joke.
      Notice the sentences handed down for NONVIOLENT J6 offenses these past days…17 years…..15 years…..
      Then notice the sentences NOT handed down to leftists, antifa, BLM, for VIOLENT offenses…..ZIPPO…..to maybe 1 or 2 years.

      If you disagree with or oppose, or protest the regime, you will be targetsd, you will be beaten down, you no longer are a free citizen ….not in Biden’s Banana Republic.

      The news is fake, the president is fake, the elections are fake. The prosecutors are corrupt. The Department of “JustUs” is corrupt. The Attorney General is corrupt. The judges are corrupt. The Congress is corrupt and controlled by the corrupt Intel Agencies. We are not a free country, in case you have not been paying attention the past 4 years.

      It is time to get into a war mentality. This is war. Wake up.

    2. If you are a conservative the Biden regime is ACTIVELY HOSTILE to you.
      If you are a Trump/MAGA supporter, the Biden regime is ACTIVELY HOSTILE to you.
      Face the Facts of the country we are now living in.
      United? No. Democratic? no. Soviet? yes. Stalinist? yes. Communist? yes. Marxist? yes.

      1. This is why my basic principle will eventually be my undoing:

        “I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”
        ― Robert A. Heinlein

        That has always been my approach to life and why I am sure the government hates me.

    3. @EmeraldRobinson
      Good morning to everyone in the Banana Republic of Biden! How many Republican voters will the FBI shoot in their homes today?

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