Rage and the Republic: Turley’s New Book is Now Available for Pre-Order

Simon & Schuster has announced the upcoming release of my new book, Rage and the Republic: The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution. The book is now available for pre-order and will be released on February 3, 2026 for the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. If you want to be among the first to receive the book, you can now preorder with Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Target, Walmart, or other suppliers.

The book examines the American democracy and the unique elements that came together to create the world’s most successful and stable political system. The book discusses the meaning of democracy, from Athens to the EU. It focuses on the dangers of democratic despotism and why, as shown vividly in “The Terror” in France, revolutions (like the legend of Saturn) devour their own. The greatest exception to that seemingly inexorable pattern proved to be the American Revolution.

The first half of the book looks back at the American Revolution and compares the sharply different course taken by the French Revolution just a few years later. The book explores this contrast through the story of Thomas Paine, one of only two major figures who played a substantive role in both revolutions. (The other being Lafayette). Some of the facts shared in this book may surprise you, including how corset-making may have saved the American Revolution.

From privateer to pamphleteer, Paine may have been the quintessential American who came to these shores to reinvent himself after a long litany of personal and business failures. He was also arguably the most revolutionary of his American contemporaries. Paine rejected many of Madison’s “auxiliary precautions” and lived to see the dangers of democratic despotism play out in France to a horrific degree. Indeed, it came very close to killing him in Paris.

The second half of the book looks forward to whether American democracy can survive in the 21st Century. The book explores the impact of economic, social, and technological changes, including the rise of robotics and the impact of AI. The world is about to experience a shift in economic conditions that has not been seen for centuries. Those changes may bring about a large, stagnant unemployed class living off a universal basic income or other forms of state support. The book explores how the United States can maintain a “liberty-enhancing economy” to minimize greater class separation, wealth stagnation, and individual dependency. The success of the American democracy was due in no small part to the publication of Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations at the time of the Declaration of Independence. Many of the same political economic principles embraced by the Founders could hold the hope for the future of American democracy as this uncertain century unfolds.

Synthesizing sources from history to philosophy to the arts, the book explores how the lessons of the past can guide us through today’s “crisis of faith” in democracy and see us into the future.

“From redcoats to robots, our challenges have changed. Yet, we have remained. Our greatest danger is not forgetting the history detailed in this book, but forgetting who we were in that history.” Jonathan Turley, Rage and the Republic

 

245 thoughts on “Rage and the Republic: Turley’s New Book is Now Available for Pre-Order”

  1. Real Americans that support America’s model of government should stay optimistic. Even many, maybe most, Republicans in Congress oppose Trump’s subversive actions attempting to subvert the constitutional rule of law.

    Trump – a lame duck president (can’t run for re-election) has run out of time. Election season starts in less than 6 months and the Republicans in Congress won’t tolerate Trump’s antics very much longer.

    If Republicans stick with a constitutionally-subversive and lawless president, Democrats will sweep the 2026 elections with a lame duck president. This lame duck 34 time convicted felon added to his rap sheet since January 2025. Democrats will likely control both houses of Congress in 2026.

    The good news: Congress right now is creating “Post-Dictator Reforms” for a lame duck president getting weaker by the day. In the longterm, Trump’s subversive and lawless practices could be the catalyst for really healthy reforms to deter future dictators! Such reforms would greatly benefit our children and future generations.

    1. Put another way. Trump is sort like the “velociraptors” in the movie Jurassic Park continually trying to find the weakness in constitutional-fence to destroy America’s model of government.

      1. How is Trump pushing the constitution or failing to abide by the rule of law ?

        We litterally have democrats rioting at the moment BECAUSE Trump is enforcing US immigration law.

        Absolutely Trump is as President obliterating unpopular left wing nut policies imposed by force right and left.

        But he has done so entirely lawfully.

        What is it that Trump has done that violated the law or constitution.

        Please be clear. Please cite specific actions and the provisions of the law and/or constitution that were violated.
        AND explain why nearly identical conduct by democrat president was constitutional and lawful ?

        YOUR problem with Trump is NOT that he violates constitutional norms and the law.
        But that he FOLLOWS them.

      2. In some ways it’s a good thing Trump became president. MAGA’s are on their way to being pariahs in society. Think about it. He’s a complete sleaze and lacks the moral and ethical character to be a leader. That’s not even debatable. Trump has attracted a core base of about 30 million who identify with and like his sleaziness. What’s the difference between Trump and other Republican leaders who could easily be president and do the conservative agenda? Those other Republicans would never go on a radio show and say their daughters were a piece of ass. Trump did. The Trump supporters on this comment board LOVE that about Trump and consider him a moral and ethical man.

    2. ATS
      In what world do you live in ?

      Trump is NOT subversion of the constitution and rule of law – he is the restoration of it.

      Our laws such as immigration laws are being enforced.

      Once again Citizens control the government – not the other way arround.

      If you do not like our immigration laws – you are free to work to change them.
      If you do not like our constitution – you are free to try to amend it.

      But once again we are safe because the laws and constitution of the people are being followed by the government
      Rather than the whims of left wing elites who have taken power and ignored our laws and constitution.

      Yes there are republicans standing up to Trump – nearly all of them want MORE spending cuts, even LESS government.

      If you think there is some republican challenge to Trump from the left you are NUTS.

      According to Rassmussen – Trump’s approval remains above 50% – and has for most of his 2nd term, that is better than any recent president.

      You are correct – and election is coming.

      The historical norm is that the party in power LOSES in mid terms.
      Maybe that will happen, but increasingly it looks like the odds are that republicans will expand slightly their control of the house and senate.

      The Betting odds of Democrats taking the Senate are 28% today. It is unlikely they will do better in the future.
      That is about the same as the current odds of republicans holding the house.

      YOU have ranted repeated about all the court cases that Trump has lost.
      But you have been told repeatedly that is only at early stages with biased judges in a tiny number of jurisdictions.

      Trump was won nearly ALL appeals. You rant about the idiotic show trial in NYC – you can expect that to be overturned soon enough

  2. More swill for the MAGAs. Here’s an excerpt of the NYT book review for Turley’s first book, which was NOT a bestseller. Piece is dated 6/18/24:

    “The end of days, by Turley’s accounting, was foretold at the start. The framers established the freedom of speech “in absolute terms” and then — the “original sin” — corrupted it by equating dissent with incitement in the Sedition Act of 1798, passed by Federalists in Congress and signed by John Adams.

    Turley is hardly alone in depicting the act as a vindictive, partisan instrument or Thomas Jefferson as an inconstant champion of the free press. (“A few prosecutions of the most eminent offenders would have a wholesome effect,” he mused to an ally in 1803.) Neither is Turley the first to deplore the crackdowns on “disloyal” speech during times of national crisis, real or imagined.

    Where he diverges from the consensus, and sharply, is in his portrayal of more than two centuries of free speech doctrine as a virtually unbroken betrayal of first principles. “Free speech demands bright lines,” Turley proclaims. In their place we have “trade-offs and concessions.”

    The tests and distinctions of First Amendment law — the heightened protection of political speech relative to “low-value” forms of expression like obscenity; the balancing of free speech with other interests like privacy or public safety — are anathema to Turley. He views these as a cynical game, rationales for repression. The First Amendment, he says, is “objective” in its meaning and defines speech as he does: as an instrument of self-actualization. “Free speech is not about perfecting democracy,” he writes, “it is about perfecting ourselves.”

    This is less a constitutional argument than a kind of wish fulfillment. It is far from clear what the framers intended, but they did leave clues (among others, their indifference to the prosecution of blasphemy) that they did not envision an unfettered right. The text of the amendment, as legal scholars such as Geoffrey Stone point out, is only “seemingly absolute”: It invites — it requires — interpretation.

    While disdaining “ambiguity and uncertainty,” Turley fails to explore what the near-total deregulation of speech would look like in practice. Even so, he makes manifestly clear which speakers he is most eager to protect — and which he is not. There is not a word of solicitude here for the rights of physicians to confer with patients about abortion, or of schoolteachers to discuss gender identity and race, but there is a good deal of concern for the small number of Jan. 6 rioters who were prosecuted for seditious conspiracy.”

    I’m surprised any publisher would bother to publish a second steaming pile of the sort of selective distortions of reality Turley publishes every day. But, if they refused him, he’d probably go to Trump who would seek vengeance, just like Trump tries to intimidate any person or organization who doesn’t go along with his authoritarianism.

    1. “It is far from clear what the framers intended . . . (their indifference to the prosecution of blasphemy) . . .” (Jeff Shesol in the NYT)

      John Adams on blasphemy:

      “I think such [blasphemy] laws a great embarassment, great obstruction to the improvement of the human mind. Books that cannot bear examination certainly ought not to be established as divine inspiration by penal laws. [. . .] I wish they were repealed.”

      That statement is pretty “clear.” Adams is a “framer.” He, and others, were certainly *not* indifferent to the “prosecution of blasphemy.”

      What was that about “wish fulfillment?”

      So much for the former Clinton speechwriter’s understanding of free speech and the Founders.

    2. ATS – while you are LOOSELY correct that our founders were inconsistent in their absolutism on free speech.
      Which Turley DOES note, that is NOT the same as supporting the vast censorship regime that the left seeks to impose.

      The FACT is that government censorship – government supressing speech it does not like – does not work.
      Our founders MOSTLY understood that. But 250 years later we have NO EXCUSE for not grasping the importance of free speech ALL speech.

      https://heterodoxacademy.org/resources/all-minus-one/

      If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.
      John Stuart Mill

      Mill is not technically a US founder, he is a contemporary of the generation that followed.
      He is the most significant thinker and philosopher of the 19th century and the culmination of the scottish enlightenment that is the foundation of our country

  3. Typical libs.
    Nancy Pelosi unconvincingly tried to blame cars being engulfed in flames on ‘the exuberance of the moment.’ Because, of course, she did.

    1. Busted

      Governor Newsom falsely claimed President Trump never called him about the L.A. riots in an effort to discredit him. So, Trump shared the call log with John Roberts proving he did call “and they spoke for 16 minutes.”

      1. A call log doesn’t say anything about what they said. He only showed that there was a 16 min. call. Newsome tried to talk to trump about other issues that were more pressing. Trump just wanted to send troops regardless of what Newsome wanted to talk about. The LAPD has it under control. Trump. just wants to show he is in charge by sending troops to just stand there and do nothing but guard federal buildings.

        1. LAPD said they were overwhelmed! So George thinks HE knows from a call log- but NOT FROM THE SOURCE the LAPD! Ha ha ha. Nothing to do? Stop watching the cartoon channel and CNN- BOZO!!

        2. In what world do you live in – the LA Sherriff’s office AND the LAPD declared publicly that they had lost control of “peaceful protests”
          “peaceful protesters” were attacking police, looting, committing arson, destroying cars, breaking windows.

          What is it that you think was more pressing that Newsom could have talked to Trump about ?
          The current state of “snail darters” ? CA’s high speed rail boon doggle ?

          Regardless if the only thing the NG did was protect federal buildings – that is fine.

          Why were those of you on the left destroying them ?

  4. Breaking: GM is investing $4 billion into American manufacturing, moving some manufacturing from Mexico to the US, because of tariffs. American Jobs! MAGA – Winning!

    (I realize the words “MAGA” and “winning” will make some heads explode, at least among TDS sufferers. Cuing in 3, 2, 1 …)

    1. Just when we thought we knew who our enemies were:

      In Video, Leader Of Al-Qaeda In The Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) Calls On American Muslims To Assassinate President Trump, Vance, Rubio, Hegseth, And Musk; Attack Jews In Europe And The United States

      Al-Awlaki also called on Muslims in Europe and the United States to attack Jews and Americans with impunity to avenge Gazans.

      https://www.memri.org/reports/video-leader-al-qaeda-arabian-peninsula-aqap-calls-american-muslims-assassinate-president

      He likely got his ideas from Democrats in America considering the Democrats foment violence against Americans 25/8.

    2. That’s nothing. Gov. Newscum is investing $70 billion into a nonexistent choo-choo-train and $150 billion into providing, food, clothing, shelter, and drugs for criminal illegal aliens. Gov. Newscum is a true IslamoCommuNazi leader, unlike that Dictator Trump.

      Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum, Newscum in 2028!

      Only Newscum, Ray Epps, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, James Boasberg, Kamala Harris, Letitia James, and Arthur Engoron can Save America and Preserve our Democracy!

        1. What drugs? The Democrat Party is my only “drug”! That gives me devine, spiritual rights and duties.

    3. “. . . because of tariffs.”

      “We give them a little bit of time before we slaughter them if they don’t do this.” (Trump, on using the threat of tariffs)

      When a private citizen says and does that, it’s the crime of extortion. When a president does, it’s legalized extortion.

      You might also have mentioned that GM expects to lose $4-$5 billion because of those tariffs. And that its car prices are expected to rise some $2,000/vehicle. Why? Because of those lovely, confiscatory tariff-taxes on steel and aluminum.

      And, yes, GM’s CEO loves tariffs. It’s called rent-seeking.

      “MAGA – Winning!”

      That is the crowing of a person staring at a piece of bark on a tree in the forest.

      1. Extortion is the act of obtaining something of value by the use of threats, force or abuse of authority.

        To be a crime the threat, force or use of authority must NOT be justified.

        “If you do no pay your bill, I will call the police” is NOT extortion.
        “If you do no pay your bill, I will break your kneecaps” is extortion.

        Very few threats constitute extortion.

    4. Yawn. GM is manipulating Trump’s lame tariff “deal” and moving some assembly to the US. The company already makes 90 percent of its vehicles in the US at 50 plants around the country. This is a news story for 1 person, the Orange Idiot, who’ll take it and tout it as a win.

      1. She used not only her fists and elbows, but her belly, as a deadly weapon. The videotape does not lie.

        1. Oldman Yes! I wouldn’t want to come up against that belly in a dark alley! A’feared for my life I would be.

  5. Jonathan: In my previous comment I argued “DJT is now using the national guards and the military to suppress dissent and to expel brown and Asian immigrants because they are ‘poisoning the blood’ of white Americans” [6/10@10:26am]. Need the receipts to back up my claim?

    At a business investment round table today in the WH DJT blamed Gov. Newsom and Joe Biden for allowing hundreds of thousands of immigrants to flood the country and “they’re taking up your health care, you’re spaces in your schools and they’re taking up your hospitals…”. DJT blames immigrants for all the problems white people face. That’s DJT’s racist mantra and scapegoat. But the reality is quite different. Immigrants pay taxes that support the schools, the health care system and the hospitals. They are not taking away the rights of white people.

    Authoritarians often get into power through the ballot box. They get power by making promises they know they can’t fulfill. So when they fail to deliver they try to cling to power by blaming others–immigrants and their political opponents. When the courts refuse to endorse their anti-democratic policies the dictator uses the military to remain in power. It’s an age old problem for dictators who lack popular legitimacy. That’s what DJT now faces in the early stages of his second term. His policies are opposed by the majority.

    This Saturday millions will march around the country in opposition to DJT’s dictatorial policies. And DJT’s response? He threatens that any protesters at his $45 million military parade “will be met with very big force”. A sure sign the emperor has no clothes when he has to threaten military force against the people!

    1. Brown and Asian?? ILLEGALS came from over 125 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES!!(MANY WHITE!) MORON DENNIS!!!

    2. Dennis,
      With all due respect, you need to take a vacation and unplug whatever warped propaganda you listen to.

      ICE agents are federal officers. They went to apprehend criminals with arrest records and a plethora of heinous, violent crimes.

      Impeding a federal officer is a crime. Allowing paid, violent agitators who damage public property and attempt to harm a federal officer is a crime.

      Period.

      Biden’s administration (the Autopen) let 8000 illegal in per day.

      The result of 14 million more illegals since 2020? Housing shortages, school space shortages, healthcare shortages, etc.

      A dermatology consult where I live (VERY blue state) will take until 2027, the GI doctors are booked out until 2026. Tax paying citizens are held up from receiving care in the university hospital because it is the only place that will see illegals for certain procedures. The list goes on.

      To say otherwise is rebellion against the United States of America.

      The rent a thug crowd are not organic protestors. They are funded by extreme, anti American mercenaries.

      1. “ICE agents are federal officers. They went to apprehend criminals with arrest records and a plethora of heinous, violent crimes.”

        You obviously have drank the Kool Aid.

        trump calling the national guard and marines was as clear an escalation if there ever was one.
        To call what is happening in LA an insurrection and the Jan 6 crew was a walk in the park? Your lies are only deceiving yourself.

        Read the Constitution. Under what authority does trump have to call out the troops? This is not an insurrection, this is not an invasion, the LA police and ICE agents could handle it quite well if ICE were to do their job in a manner that did not inflame citizens.

        trump was itching for a fight, He way, way, way overstepped his authority.

        1. “trump calling the national guard and marines was as clear an escalation if there ever was one.”
          Yes, when the police are no longer able to maintain order – governemnt ESCALATES to maintain order.
          The LA Sheriff has repeatedly said on the record that they are stretched past their limits.

          “To call what is happening in LA an insurrection and the Jan 6 crew was a walk in the park?”
          What is happening in LA is lawless violence and rioting. It is not an insurrection.
          J6 was not a walk in the park, but it WAS far less lawless and violent – no molotov cocktails, no rocks or frozen water bottles, no NGO’s delivering tear gas masks on the streets, no arson.

          “Under what authority does trump have to call out the troops?”
          The same authority used by Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson when they called out the troops.

          The US military is barred from civilian law enforcement, they are not barred from crowd control, or supplimenting law enforcement in many roles that do not involve law enforcement.

          ” This is not an insurrection, this is not an invasion”
          Correct, it is just the same are other riots where the NG or military were called in for support.

          “the LA police and ICE agents could handle it quite well”
          Not according to either ICE or LA Police. Again this is nonsense falsified by the public statements of those involved.

          “if ICE were to do their job in a manner that did not inflame citizens.”
          YOUR feelings are your problem.

          Homan and others in the Trump administration have said REPEATEDLY, they are just enforcing US immigration law. Peacefully Protest all you want – but no violence, no intimidation, no threats, no obstruction.

          “trump was itching for a fight”
          Possibly – but so is the left.

          And you have picked one that you will lose.

          “He way, way, way overstepped his authority.”
          How so ? The INA requires the executive to deport illegal aleins.

    3. Dennis

      Trump and the rest of the Executive are enforcing US immigration law as it is written.
      If you do not like that – take it up with congress.

      BTW the US accepts about 1M LEGAL immigrants per year. Nearly all of them are black, brown or Asian.

      While there is a small portion of illegal Asian immigrants it is TINY compared to other immigrant groups.

      The most fundimental feature of illegal immigrants is that they are able to walk accross our southern border,
      NOT the color of their skin.

      And YES, you are not credible and need to back up your claim.

      With respect to you alleged receipts – SOURCES ?
      Preferably video as we have all seen those of you on the left selectively edit.

      Until you provide actual trustworthy sources – it is not worth the effort to determine where you went off the rails between what was ACTUALLY said and what YOU claim was meant.

      With respect to YOUR claims.

      FIRST – we are discussing ILLEGAL ALIENS. I am not aware of anyone who has a problem with the 1M LEGAL immigrants that continue to enter the US every year.

      Illegal Aliens tend NOT to pay taxes, because they can NOT get jobs that are not under the table.
      YOU cited ICE targeting day workers at home depot – exactly how is it that someone who is picked up in the morning and dropped off at night with cash in hand for a days work is paying taxes ?

      A portion of illegal aliens do hold legitimate jobs using forged documents.
      They should not be able to hold those jobs for very long as mandated employer tax reporting will expose invalid or fraudulent social security numbers withing 90 days of employment.

      Most schools in this country are funded by property taxes – and illegal aliens do not own property.

      No illegal aliens do not pay more than a small fraction of the taxes that legal US residents pay.
      Further your claim otherwise is patently absurd.

      Separately the Hospitals in the US are nearly all private – they are NOT tax payer funded.
      They are funded by health insurance.

      “His policies are opposed by the majority.”
      Not according to CNN and other polls who have Trump’s enforcment of illegal immigration laws as having his HIGHEST support – on questions like deporting criminal illegal aliens support is over 80%.
      On the HARD questions – Trump still have over 51% support for his immigration law enforcement.

      “This Saturday millions will march around the country in opposition to DJT’s dictatorial policies.”
      Trump does not have immigration “Policies” – he is enforcing US immigration law.
      If you do not like that – change the law.

      You are free to “protest” if you wish, though if you are serious and want to accomplish something – write your congressmen and stay off the streets.

      Regardless it you are peaceful and do not interfere with law enforcement doing their job – you can protest for or against anything you wish.

      The NG and Marines are in LA because your protests were NOT peaceful.

      The overwhelming majority of americans want illegal aliens removed from the US.

      The law REQUIRES that the federal govenrment remove illegal aliens.

      The Trump administration is trying to remove illegal aliens and YOU chose to fight enforcing the law – often violently.

      1. “Until you provide actual trustworthy sources – it is not worth the effort to determine where you went off the rails between what was ACTUALLY said and what YOU claim was meant.”

        That’s rich coming from you. You don’t provide any evidence show what resources you use to back up your claims.

        What exactly would you accept as a credible source?

        “Illegal Aliens tend NOT to pay taxes, because they can NOT get jobs that are not under the table.”

        A very small portion get jobs that are paid under the table. It’s no different than citizens who do the same thing.

        The majority of illegal aliens do pay taxes and the IRS provides them with tax ID No.’s to file taxes. They also pay quite a bit into SS, Medicare and Medicaid. Property taxes, sales taxes, etc. They own homes, pay mortgages and even build businesses.

        “Most schools in this country are funded by property taxes – and illegal aliens do not own property.”

        False, illegal aliens are not barred from owning a home or pay property taxes. Those who have been here for decades already own property and also operate businesses.

        In 2022, 39% of undocumented immigrant households in the US owned their homes. This represents about 1.6 million homeowners, according to the American Immigration Council. While the percentage of undocumented immigrants owning homes is lower than the overall US homeownership rate, it’s a significant portion of the undocumented immigrant population.

        “ More than 3.4 million undocumented immigrants are homeowners, according to the Migration Policy Institute analysis of the 2014 U.S. census data. That’s about 31 percent of the undocumented population.
        While some undocumented immigrants pay for their homes in cash, others have been able to obtain little-known ITIN mortgages. ITIN stands for individual tax identification number. ITINs were created to enable tax payment by foreign nationals who are not eligible for a social security number but own businesses or assets in the U.S. But since its creation, the program has also been used by undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. Undocumented immigrants can use ITINs to open bank accounts and pay taxes on their U.S. income.“

        https://www.marketplace.org/story/2017/09/11/american-dream-how-undocumented-immigrants-buy-homes-us

        “ Not according to CNN and other polls who have Trump’s enforcment of illegal immigration laws as having his HIGHEST support – on questions like deporting criminal illegal aliens support is over 80%.“

        Criminal illegal aliens. The ones categorized as murderers, gang members, and rapists. Not those who have not commited crimes or have been here for decades and are already established members of their community. The latter does not have wide ranging support. Even Republicans are not on board with the mass deportations involving those who have been here for years. Conflating all immigrants as the type of criminals among the worst of the worst is hugely disingenious.

    4. “DJT is now using the national guards and the military to suppress dissent and to expel brown and Asian immigrants”

      Nope, protest all you want for whatever stupid cause you want.
      But refrain from violence, arson, looting, obstructing law enforcement or you will go to jail.

      Trump is deporting “illegal aliens” – if you are here legally you have nothing to fear.
      If you do not like that – change US immigration law.

      “they’re taking up your health care, you’re spaces in your schools and they’re taking up your hospitals…”.
      What part of this is false ?

      “This Saturday millions will march around the country in opposition to DJT’s dictatorial policies.”
      How did your last march of millions go ?

    1. Cats out— supremacy clause . The judge would need seriously solid ground. No one did anything about the asylum bs, right?

    2. Young

      Of all the stupid comments you make here on a regular basis, this is the most astoundingly stupid.
      The voices in your head are telling you that Newsom filed suit in the Northern District of California because, ” His clever lawyers may have decided against LA where the judges are likely to be protected by the Guard and may have reasons for keeping them.”

      If you knew anything at all, which you clearly do not, you would know that the lead attorney in the filing, Laura Faer, is Acting Senior Assistant Attorney General, and the Supervising Deputy Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division, which is based in the Bay area.

      This is the appropriate division for this case.
      This office is in the Northern District.
      They filed the case in the District where the appropriate team of attorneys is based.

      1. Anon: You missed the words “may have” in my comment. That clearly leaves open other possible reasons. One of which I considered was that the capital, Sacramento, is in the north and suggests that as a venue just as DC is a venue for many actions touching the federal government. On the other hand there is an argument for filing an action in the venue where the alleged wrong has happened. The left more than most has engaged in energetic judge shopping and I suspect in asking to remove Guards protecting a federal courthouse and the judges therein, they wouldn’t likely choose a judge whose personal safety depends on those guards staying put.

        Meanwhile, this issue with a revolt backed by state and city authorities to some degree is too hot a potato for even a stupid judge to stick his little finger in.

      2. Mmmm, not sure. Filing is done electronically nowadays. I doubt geography is all that difficult for the California OAG to overcome.

        The OAG is based on Sacramento, the state capital. It has other offices in the Bay Area, Los Angeles, Fresno, and San Diego:

        https://oag.ca.gov/contact/mailing-addresses

        The OAG therefore has an office with “appropriate attorneys” in Los Angeles. There was clearly some discussion within OAG about where to file. It would be naive to think the OAG was not thinking strategically during such discussions. Young’s theory is quite reasonable.

        1. OMFK

          The mental gymnastics you MAGA morons go to twist yourselves into pretzels to try to rationalize your insane comments and beliefs is astounding.
          The OAG has offices and attorneys all over the state, but just because they have attorneys in all the offices does not mean all offices are equally equipped to handle all cases.

          The Civil Division that handles these cases is HEADQUARTERED in the Bay Area.
          This office is the one that handles these cases.
          The Supervising Deputy AG in charge of the Division is based in this office.
          The leader of the division and all the expert attorneys in this Division are in the Bay Area office.
          There was no discussion in the OAG about where to file as you insanely suggest.

          The Supervising AG for the Division simply took the case and filed in the District where she and her most experienced team is located.
          It is that simple.
          End of story.

          Your insane conspiracy theories are typical of the disturbed thinking of MAGA cultists.
          Young’s theory is NOT “quite reasonable” as you say.
          It is the insane ramblings and conspiracy theorizing of a disturbed MAGA cult member.

          1. Anonymous – thanks so much for the well wishes and warm, friendly response. Were you personally involved in the internal discussions in the OAG’s office? And you do know that filing is done electronically, right? It’s not like she and her staff had to walk over to the courthouse to hand them physical documents, right?

            Or did you make that walk yourself and can testify from personal experience?

            And are you saying that lawyers never approach litigation strategically, to try to win their cases?

            Thanks, and I’ll await your next highly professional, courteous, warm, friendly response to my questions with lots of substance and absolutely no emotion.

            1. Why are you harping about electronic filing ????
              What does electronic filing have to do with whether the Chief of the division files in the District where she is located.
              This is a very important case that the Chief of the Division is handling personally.
              She is in the Bay area. She filed in the Northern District where she is located.

              Your incoherent and obsessively insane ramblings that somehow electronic filing has any relevance to anything is absurd.
              She could have filed by carrier pigeon.
              It makes no difference.
              The Chief of the Division simply filed the case where she is located.
              It is very simple.

              The only thing you are correct about is that lawyers approach their cases strategically.
              In this case the strategy is that the Chief of the Division and her most experienced team filed the case in the District where they are located.
              The attorneys will have to appear in court hearings to argue their case.
              If the best attorneys in the division are in the Bay Area Headquarters, then that is where they will file.
              It is common sense, which is sadly deficient in the MAGA cult.

              1. Anon– “In this case the strategy is that the Chief of the Division and her most experienced team filed the case in the District where they are located.”

                And yet the “most experienced team” just lost.

                Even without opposition.

                Ex parte means only they dealt with the judge.

                And they lost.

                1. It’s a little like losing to your shadow when you are shadow boxing.

                  It can happen. Does in fact.

                  But the “most experienced team” should know better than to announce and sell tickets to the match when the shadow might win. Hubris. The gods don’t like it.

                  1. Young

                    Yet more insanity and mental gymnastics, by a MAGA mental midget.
                    You MAGA morons never cease to amaze with your stupidity.

                    They didn’t “lose”.
                    A LOSS would be a DISMISSAL by the judge.
                    That would mean the case was over in the District Court.
                    The judge simply granted Trump’s request to file a response to the ex parte motion, and scheduled a hearing for tomorrow so that Trump’s legal hacks can try to make their case.

                    The judge made no ruling whatsoever on the ex parte motion.
                    That ruling will come after the hearing.
                    At this point there is no winner or loser.

                    It is extremely rare for an ex parte motion to be granted, without a response from the defendant.
                    As Yogi Berra said, It ain’t over till it’s over”
                    And this is a LOOOONG way from over.

                    It is truly fascinating that when you realize the astounding stupidity of your original assertions about the venue, you switch to some other cockamamie idea in a desperate attempt to rationalize your bizarre and disturbed thinking that somehow Trump has already won the case.

                    1. wait. wait. wait. you just did the same thing earlier today, bragging about the little federal district court…..

                    2. It is true it isn’t over yet and the court may side with the crackpots, many have of late, but my inclination is to think the best team of California is not going to do well on this.

                    3. What is this insanely weird obsession with winning and losing ?????
                      This is like the first play in a football game where the pass was intercepted.
                      The offensive team didn’t get what they wanted.
                      So what????
                      Has the game been won or lost?????
                      No one has won.
                      No one has lost.

                      It’s just the first play.
                      An ex parte motion is always a risky play that rarely succeeds, just like a Hail Mary pass.

                    4. They lost the first play this time.

                      Lately radical judges have been awarding the first play to the people attacking the administration.

                      But not this time.

                      If the judge ultimately ruled against the administration he will be setting himself up as the stooge who gave the administration the opportunity to spit in the face of the judge and ignore his order with the support of the public. Don’t know if that will happen but the opportunity is ripe for it. A much diminished judiciary will likely emerge from the other side of the mess. The judge would be a fool not to see it, but then….

                    5. Apparently, what you are saying is that the judge should not rule against the administration because Trump will simply ignore the ruling.

                      So you are opposed to the rule of law.
                      You want an authoritarian dictatorship where the President controls the courts.
                      The judge should simply acquiesce to the will of a dictatorial regime.

                      You are a worthless cultist, not worthy of being considered as a true American.
                      I think you would be much happier living in Russia or North Korea.

                    6. Typical MAGA response when they realize how stupid they really are.
                      Change the subject.
                      Ignore reality when faced with the truth.
                      Only listen to the MAGA faithful.
                      Ignore everyone else.

              2. What does electronic filing have to do with whether the Chief of the division files in the District where she is located.

                I thought my point was obvious, but I guess not, so I’ll spell it out for you. Generally people file a lawsuit in the forum where the events giving rise to the harm in question took place (or are still taking place). There has to be some logical connection. In this matter, that would be Los Angeles. Notably, there IS a federal court in Los Angeles. So that would be the logical place to file the lawsuit.

                You said, no no no, the lawyer herself is located in San Francisco, and so of course she filed it there because that’s where she is. That only makes sense if she is somehow incapable of filing in Los Angeles while she is physically located in San Francisco. Why would she be physically unable to file in Los Angeles while being located in San Francisco? It’s too long to walk or drive. So . . . my point about electronic filing is that that doesn’t matter. There are these things called computers and this thing called the Internet which overcomes all those distances. Capiche?

                So I ask again, were you personally involved in the OAG’s discussions about where to file? I’m assuming not, since you didn’t answer that one.

                Young proposed a theory, which by its nature means he is not claiming certain knowledge. You responded with certain knowledge that there were absolutely no discussions about the best place to file. You said, and I quote: “There was no discussion in the OAG about where to file as you insanely suggest.” Oh, that crazy old Young, he is so twisted by his MAGA cult blah blah blah that he proposed a theory.

                So now I ask you: how do you know that’s not the reason? How do you know there were no internal discussions within the OAG? Were you there? Note: you’re not merely proposing a theory that they somehow forgot to have that conversation. You’re stating it as a fact. HOW DO YOU KNOW?

                I’ll wait.

                1. OMFK

                  The point is NOT whether or not the DAG is CAPABLE of filing in Los Angeles.
                  The obvious point, to any rational observer, is that the DAG and Chief of the Division, who is personally handling the case, along with her team is located in the Bay Area.

                  They will have to appear in court to make their pleadings.
                  Obviously it is much more convenient for them to do that in the Bay Area where they are located, rather than travel to Los Angeles.
                  They could probably avoid travel by appearing remotely by Zoom, but any experienced trial lawyer knows that it is best to appear personally. All legal proceedings are to some extent a theatrical performance, and any skilled attorney knows the importance of putting on a good show. It is very difficult to do this by Zoom.

                  It is obvious to any rational, sane person that the DAG would prefer to bring the case in the Bay Area, simply for convenience.
                  If Trump’s team does not like this they can move for a change of venue.
                  Until that happens the DAG should simply do what is most convenient, which is what she is doing.

                  You pose the question, how do I know there were no internal discussions within the OAG about the venue.
                  Well, how do you know that there WERE discussions.
                  You are just guessing, and theorizing.
                  How do YOU know that the OAG had internal discussions about venue.
                  HOW DO YOU KNOW ???????

                  Have you heard of Occam’s razor ???
                  The simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation.
                  Your fanciful conspiracy theories are absurd, and a window into the MAGA cult mind.

                  1. (1) The OAG has lawyers in Los Angeles. I doubt Laura Faer, as a supervising deputy AG is going to go to court personally. I’ve dealt with the OAG in another state and it’s uncommon for the high-up supervisors to do the grunt work of physically going into court. She can have OAG lawyers in LA do so. Unless there is some other reason she wants it in SF.

                    (2) You didn’t answer my question. I pointed out that Young (and myself) are theorizing, not claiming certain knowledge. In my experience these kinds of discussions on strategy are par for the course, so I don’t know for sure but it would be surprising to me if no conversation along those lines took place.

                    You, by contrast, claimed certain knowledge that no such discussion took place. I’m still waiting for an answer on how you know that. Of course you don’t know, which is why you keep avoiding answering my question. Again, I’ll quote you: ““There was no discussion in the OAG about where to file as you insanely suggest.”

                    Got that? You said “There was no discussion.” Not a theory on your part, but a claim of certainty, and a claim that anyone who thought otherwise was “insane.” HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE WAS NO INTERNAL DISCUSSION?

                    Again, I’ll wait, but not much longer because it’s obvious you just said there was no discussion without really knowing it. Pffft.

                    1. There is little point in arguing with you.
                      You have made up your mind that there is some nefarious reason for filing in SF, based on the ludicrous idea that the OAG is worried that judges in LA will rule against them because they are afraid of the protestors.
                      There is a much simpler explanation, which I have described, Occam’s Razor and all that.

                      However, for the sake of argument let’s go with your stupid theory.
                      Let’s say the judges in LA really are afraid of the protestors and therefore may rule for the administration.
                      If there was any rational basis for that, then the OAG would have a perfectly rational and viable basis to file in SF.
                      It would not be some nefarious, underhanded move by the OAG.
                      It would be a genuine effort to ensure a fair and impartial venue.

                      Now, the administration may very well move for a venue change to LA.
                      In that case, by your theory, if the judges are afraid in LA, then the OAG could easily defeat that motion.
                      So YOUR theory gives the OAG a perfectly viable defense to a venue change.

                      Your theory is that the judges in LA are afraid of the protestors and therefore may rule against the OAG.
                      However you also believe that the OAG should file in LA, which you are already presuming to be a tainted venue in favor of the administration.

                      The only possible conclusion is that you want the case heard in a tainted venue because that will produce the result that you and the rest of the MAGA mob want.

                      So much for equal justice before the law.
                      If you really are an attorney, you should be ashamed, and turn in your license.

          2. ATS – no one cares – it is just more lawfare.

            The problem is NOT where you filed.
            It is that you are stupid enough to seek to thwart federal law enforcement from enforcing the law and detaining and deporting illegal alien criminals.
            And that having rioted to make that more difficult, you seem to think that the LA police should be left high and dry unable to defend themselves, much less enforce the law.

  6. OT

    President Trump says he is going to restore the names of Confederate generals to American forts. Partly he is doing it is because American soldiers since the Civil War have enshrined those names with sacrifice and glory.

    But I also like it because those generals and the men they commanded fought with courage and honor. That is particularly true of Robert E Lee. I read that President Eisenhower had pictures of five great Americans on the wall in the White House. One of them was Robert E Lee.

    I have been making my way through Douglas S. Freeman’s biography of Lee and am increasingly impressed with him. Like many prominent Southerners Lee didn’t care for slavery but didn’t see an easy way to disentangle from it. He reflected that until it could be gently undone at least they were better off in America than in Africa. Keith Richburg, author of “Out of America, A Black Man Confronts Africa’ agreed with Lee’s assessment. Near the end of his book in which he reflects on his visit to Africa he says something like, “I know slavery is bad and all that but I am glad my ancestors were brought to America.”

    No objective reader studying the Civil War can help but admire the honor, courage and tenacity of the Confederate generals and the men they commanded. We are still allowed to respect great Indian warriors like Red Cloud, Quanah Parker, Chief Joseph, Crazy Horse and others who fought against us. We need to return the reputations of great Confederates to our temples.

    1. Great. The erasing of history is a Marxist technique and smacks of the woke mind virus. Time to cure the disease.

    2. Yea, let’s celebrate insurrectionists. trump sure loves them, he pardoned the Jan 6 insurrectionists.
      Sorry, they were “better off here than in Africa”? Do you know how many died in the crossing?
      Slavery is an abomination. Those fighting to keep slavery are and were an abomination.
      This move by trump is as racist as anything any racist A hole has ever done.
      The scales should come off anybody paying attention. trump is a racist and he is showing his colors.

      1. Trump is enforcing immigration laws. Trump is deporting violent criminal illegals Biden let in. Only Democrats want violent criminals on our streets. Democrats support those committing violence against LEOs, tried to get a court order to remove the NG and the military from assisting the overwhelmed federal agents and LAPD.

        Anti-ICE protests fueled in part by CCP-linked Communist revolutionary org and a tech millionaire
        “Leftist groups funded by shadowy Marxist multi-millionaire who lives in China are linked to the Communist Party that is financially supporting the anti-ICE protests in Los Angeles.”
        https://justthenews.com/government/security/ccp-linked-communist-revolutionary-org-fuels-anti-ice-protests-la-and

      2. Baby: “Slavery is an abomination.”

        Slavery still exists in parts of Africa and the wider Muslim world.

        Are you doing anything about it?

  7. This is a bought-and-paid-for riot. Brand new gleaming riot shields, $60.00 each, being delivered by the truckload; professionally-made signs that all look the same. There is a lot of money behind this. Is that you George Soros?

  8. OT

    Newsom has filed an ex parte emergency motion to get rid of the National Guard but he has filed it in the Northern District, safely away from the riots.

    His clever lawyers may have decided against LA where the judges are likely to be protected by the Guard and may have reasons for keeping them.

    That aside, Newsom and Bass are making comments that support an argument for a declaration of insurrection in California…open local government defiance of federal law.

    They seem to be handing all the cards to Trump. Also, their paid Brownshirt rioters in LA are producing gorgeous images to support Republican political campaigns. They look like posters for the old Road Warrior movie of a society in anarchic collapse. Is that Humungous on the destroyed Waymo car, barechested and waving a Mexican flag? Seems like.

    1. Newsom has filed an ex parte emergency motion to get rid of the National Guard but he has filed it in the Northern District, safely away from the riots.

      His clever lawyers may have decided against LA where the judges are likely to be protected by the Guard and may have reasons for keeping them.

      This is the type of content I appreciate the most on this forum. You, OMFK, Lin, Daniel and a few other of the resident lawyers comment on legal matters using legal verbiage in an effort to educate those of us who are not lawyers. Medicine is very straight forward: symptoms, scientific data, connect the dots, diagnosis. It’s the waffling of legal opinions by supposedly intelligent judges that I can’t understand. The split 5-4 decisions rendered by SCOTUS are baffling. Also, the fact that the 5 “originalists” split with each other and some go with Sotomayor, Jackson, Kagan is even more baffling. Sometimes I think Judicial opinions are just fiats from wanna be authoritarians. So when folks like you explain why Newsom may have filed in N Cal, presumably because the Judges there will be unaffected by the riots, helps. If they are unaffected they are brain dead but that’s besides the point

      OMFK is right on the mark. Everything DNC/MSM cultists are doing is digging themselves deeper in the eyes of the majority of Americas. I only hope they keep on digging…all the way to China.

  9. It appears free speech ala misinformation is an untenable business model. If it were not for billionaire Leftists like A.G. Sulzberger (NY Times owner), Jeff Bezos (Washington Post owner), Wesley Edens (Gannett Co., largest U.S. newspaper publisher) and others keeping them afloat, their “free speech” would not survive the free market of ideas. CNN is seeing its LOL last days. They should have read Professor Turley’s blog

    😎

    Cable Cut: CNN’s Parent Company To Spin Off Struggling Network

    It is unknown how the split will affect CNN’s own streaming platform, which was announced last month three years after its catastrophic $300 million first attempt at streaming. CNN’s finances and ratings have cratered in recent years. The liberal network’s revenue tanked around $400 million in three years, according to financial metrics revealed at a defamation trial in January. Primetime ratings have plunged 62 percent since 2020, while total-day viewership has dropped 58 percent overall and 71 percent among the key 25–54 demographic.

    https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/cable-cut-cnns-parent-company-to-spin-off-struggling-network/

  10. The professor certainly stays busy. A second book in a year, daily columns, and daily TV appearances, not to mention whatever he does for GWU.

  11. Maxine Waters actually said the riots have no violence at all, zero, nada, not a single violent act.

    Meanwhile, there are countless burning cars, smashed windows, large rocks and pieces of concrete thrown at officers, injuries and bloodletting.

    This is typical of the Dems. Just bald-faced lies. They never stop lying. Everything they say is a lie.

    And meanwhile literal Marxist organizations are behind this. This is an attempted Communist revolution.

    https://x.com/SKDoubleDub33/status/1932091423030985056

    1. The wife walks into her bedroom and sees a strange woman in bed with her husband. The woman gets up, gets dressed, and walks out. The husband says, “There was no woman. ”The wife nods. “Oh. Okay.”

      We see the same with Maxine Waters, who describes the riots. There are burning cars and flying bricks while she calmly declares there is no violence.

      Reality: engulfed in smoke
      The Left: “Must be a heatwave.”

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