Below is my column in the Hill on the murder of Charlie Kirk, the latest victim of our age of rage. The evidence of Antifa scribblings and indoctrination of the shooter came as no surprise. For months, some of us have been warning Democratic leaders about their dangerous rhetoric and how it would be received by the most radical elements in the Antifa movement.
Here is the column:
“Prove me wrong.”
For years, that tagline of Charlie Kirk and his group, Turning Point USA, enraged many on the left. In “an age of rage,” nothing is more triggering for the perpetually angry than an invitation to debate issues.
Indeed, someone has now killed him for it.
What is most chilling about the assassination is that it was not in the slightest degree surprising. This follows two attempted assassinations of President Trump and the killing of a pair of Minnesota politicians.
I heard of the assassination in Prague as I prepared to speak about the age of rage and the growing attacks on free speech. I was profoundly saddened by the news. I knew Charlie and respected his effort to challenge the orthodoxy on college campuses. We all have received regular death threats (and Charlie more than most), but there is still a hope that even the most deranged will leave these threats at the ideation rather than the action stage.This killer left Charlie’s wife, Erika, and her two young children as the latest victims of senseless violence against someone who refused to be silenced.
We do not have to know much about the shooter to recognize the rage. The person who killed Charlie did not view him as a father or even as a person. That is the transformative, enabling effect of rage.
In my book, “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage,” I write about rage and the uncomfortable truth for many engaging in rage rhetoric: “What few today want to admit is that they like it. They like the freedom that it affords, the ability to hate and harass without a sense of responsibility. It is evident all around us as people engage in language and conduct that they repudiate in others. We have become a nation of rage addicts, flailing against anyone or anything that stands in opposition to our own truths. Like all addictions, there is not only a dependency on rage but an intolerance for opposing views. … Indeed, to voice free speech principles in a time of rage is to invite the rage of the mob.”
Charlie was brave, and he was brash. He refused to yield to the threats while encouraging others to speak out on our campuses.
He was particularly hated for holding a mirror to the face of higher education, exposing the hate and hypocrisy on our campuses. For decades, faculty have purged their ranks of conservatives and libertarians. Faced with the intolerance of most schools, polls show that a large percentage of students hide their values to avoid retaliation from faculty or their fellow students.
Charlie chose to change all that. TPUSA challenges people to engage and debate them. The response from some on the left has been to trash their tables and threaten the students. Recently, at UC Davis, police stood by and watched as a TPUSA tent was torn apart.
Charlie is only the latest such victim, and he is unlikely to be the last.
For months, some of us have warned about the rise in rage rhetoric. Some believe that they can ride a wave of rage back into power. House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D., N.Y.) has called for people to take to the streets to save democracy and posted a picture of himself brandishing a baseball bat.
Likewise, California Governor Gavin Newsom (D) declared, “I’m going to punch these sons of bitches in the mouth.”
Various radical groups welcome such rage rhetoric, particularly Antifa. The most violent anti-free speech group in the U.S., Antifa has long attacked journalists and others with opposing views. In his “Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook,” Professor Mark Bray noted that “most Americans in Antifa have been anarchists or antiauthoritarian communists. … From that standpoint, ‘free speech’ as such is merely a bourgeois fantasy unworthy of consideration.”
Alleged shooter Tyler Robinson, 22, reportedly left telltale Antifa markings on evidence, including marking bullets inscribed with the lyrics: “Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Ciao, Ciao”(from an Italian anti-fascist anthem) and “Hey, fascist! Catch!”
I previously testified in Congress about the dangers of Antifa, and I discuss the group in my book. Despite such warnings, Democratic leaders have dismissed those dangers or actually embraced Antifa.
Former Democratic National Committee deputy chair Keith Ellison (D), now Minnesota’s attorney general, previously celebrated how Antifa would “strike fear in the heart” of Trump. Liberal sites sell Antifa items to celebrate the violent group, including onesies for “Antifa babies.”
Some politicians have privately expressed alarm at the rising violent speech in their ranks. One Democratic member told Axios, “Some of [our supporters] have suggested … what we really need to do is be willing to get shot.”
Protesters are burning cars and dealerships. Even lawyers and reporters on the left are throwing Molotov cocktails at police. Some on the left have rolled out guillotines and chanted, “We got the guillotine, you better run.”
Just before he was shot at Utah Valley University, Kirk rallied the group with its signature chant of “prove me wrong.” Someone responded by killing him.
Of course, the murder proved nothing except that senseless hate is sweeping over our country. Someone preferred to kill Kirk rather than engage with him or others who held opposing views.
It is precisely the lack of debate and dialogue that has triggered this type of violence. For those dwelling deep in the hardened silos of our news and social media, dissenting voices become increasingly intolerable.
Charlie is still exposing that hypocrisy. As I prepared to address Charlie’s murder in Prague, anti-free speech groups were already using his murder to justify even greater limits on free speech to combat hate and disinformation. This is the ultimate dishonoring of his life and his legacy. Charlie died in the fight for free speech, challenging speech codes and censorship.
Greater censorship will not make political violence less likely; it will only make the likelihood of another Charlie Kirk less likely. Europe shows that extremists flourish under speech controls. The neo-Nazis are having a banner year in portraying themselves as victims.
It is the rest of us that are deterred by speech codes. According to polling, only 18 percent of Germans feel free to express their opinions in public. Fifty-nine percent of Germans do not even feel free expressing themselves in private among friends. Only 17 percent feel free to express themselves on the internet.
Charlie was hated because he exposed the left’s intolerance of opposing views … all in the purported cause of achieving greater tolerance. By challenging others to debate, he triggered a generation of speech-phobics who are more interested in silencing others than speaking on their own account.
Charlie was hated for stripping away the pretense and self-delusion of those canceling, blacklisting, and attacking others for holding opposing views. He did so by standing in harm’s way.
The conservatives that Kirk coaxed out of the shadows can honor his memory by showing that they will not be silenced. They can step forward and renew his same challenge: “Prove me wrong.”
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of the best-selling “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
This murderer, the recent school shootings and the public displays by these lost souls support the psychological definition of mental illness.
Ask yourself, “How did we get here?”
Communist rules for radicals
For months, some of us have been warning Democratic leaders about their dangerous rhetoric and how it would be received by the most radical elements in the Antifa movement.
Months???? It started just about the time Trump won the election in 2016? You slept through all the Free Hate Speech and political theater of Hollywood actors, comics, singers? Walking around with fake severed heads, thoughts of an actor murdering another president, dreams of blowing up the White House? Too afraid to notice until a few months ago?
I was thinking there might be something new in this column…
I share in the hope that Kirk’s sacrifice will to other conservatives to come out of the closet. But I doubt it. The more appropriate response is to end all state and federal monetary payments , direct and indirect, to “educational” institutions which discourage conservative voices.
And what are you doing about it Edward Mahl?
OK then, what are you doing ANO?
Will this moment be a watershed moment for the mainstream news organizations, or will they continue to drag the United States down towards anarchy? After yesterday’s notice to America and Foreign (large gatherings), Mr. Kirk’s message is sweeping across the Globe, enough of foolish notions of grandeur from blinded fools.
Excuse me, the only event of consequence was in London this past weekend. Then a smattering of …
Had the political activist felled by the assassin’s bullet last Wednesday been a loved one my attitude towards those, like Gavin Newsom, who’ve stoked the simmering coals of their followers’ violent tendencies, would not be safe to put to words. For, as experience has taught me, accurately placed incitement is tantamount to prodding someone else’s finger to pull the trigger. If you doubt that, ask yourself why Gavin Newsom has never spewed similar instigating rage at any of the cold-blooded killers, rapists, and child-abusing monsters in California’s prisons. The answer is simple: he knows, as does everyone, that in the prison environment his words would put convicts at risk. But he also knows he can deny his very real call for violence when the lunatics and halfwits he’s urging on are living outside the prison walls.
Charlie Kirk’s blood is on Newsom’s hands, as well as those of many others.
No it is not. Stop ranting and think. Think about what you posted. Makes no sense. Look in mirror.
I think you just sampled lyrics from about three songs. That’s not a reply, it’s copyright infringement. Get some talent.
Oh, stop it.
Kirk was a bigot who wanted occasional gun killings so he could keep is second amendment ‘rights’.
I’ll ignore your pathetic bigotry allegation, but your accusation about the desire for occasional gun killings is an interesting one, since you seem to believe, and accuse Charlie Kirk of the same, that the 2nd Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights to facilitate gun killings. Is that documented somewhere, perhaps in the Federalist Papers, or did you learn about it watching cartoons?
Wrong again loser. Kirk was a good sole, you not so much.
I agree. Newsom gave a trigger order.
Antifa is a nice group of folks. The people of Portland don’t think so
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Rose City Antifa is one of the nation’s oldest active antifa groups. Members rarely give interviews, but two who say they are part of antifa agreed to speak to “Nightline” as the situation in their city of Portland, Oregon, has become a prolonged and destructive stalemate.
Rose City Antifa members “Milo” and “Ace” use pseudonyms and they asked that their faces and voices be obscured for this report.
“The use of violence is a tactic of how we keep our communities safe,” Milo said.
Key word (The use of violence is a tactic of how we keep our communities safe,) There ya folks.
More left-wing hate
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At what point will Leftists start asking themselves whether they’re the bad guys here?
A grieving Colorado family put up a memorial to Charlie Kirk in their backyard.
It wasn’t long before deranged leftists set it on fire and vandalized the cars parked in their driveway. 👇
This isn’t the only case. There was also this creep who vandalized the memorial right in front of grieving people outside Turning Point USA’s headquarters in Arizona:
Note that he wore the same shirt as the accused assassin:
Down in Houston, Texas, there was leftist vandalism on the highway that Sen. Ted Cruz painted over himself:
More vandalism in Austin, Texas:
And from Seattle:
Then there was this memorial on The Graffiti Bridge in Pensacola, Florida, that had to be repainted after being vandalized:
And so what, proves nothing. It rather pitiful of you to steal other media outlets exclusives and the pretend it your. How much hate do you possess?
No hate, just telling the truth. I bet that hurts.
“At what point will Leftists start asking themselves whether they’re the bad guys here?” Answer: When ‘Karma’ causes them physical pain / loss of a limb or two – or (and?) when they’re forced to spend their own money because no one else will donate to their “cause”.
Rabble:
they want their faces obscured? why? They sure as hell want police to be constantly doxxed and their families put in danger. What’s with the double standard here? (sarcastic)
Charlie Kirk was a mainstream conservative. At least half of voters agreed with most of what he said and would find little that was outright objectionable. He was never convicted of a crime. He was never even indicted for anything. He embraced engagement with young people, and judging by the last election, he succeeded.
The Left in media and academia ruthlessly misrepresented his views. They deliberately mislabeled him as far-right, racist, misogynist, a gay basher, etc. so that they could isolate him from his base and make him quietly go away. Going away might mean a rogue prosecutor jailing him, or a false claimant suing him, or… pew-pew. The strategy was to make him politically radioactive so that the methods of getting rid of Charlie Kirk would be free of consequences for the Left.
We are now living in consequence culture. Not cancel culture, consequence culture. It’s a new day.
If you see a Leftist calling for pew-pew or celebrating pew-pew, don’t report them to HR. HR departments are unreliable at best. Report it to OSHA. OSHA will force employers to deal with employees who want to see Americans forcibly silenced. No honest citizen should be afraid of living in America. OSHA works for the American people now.
The Left did all of this to Trump, BTW, and they are still trying to do it to him.
The fact that Kirk was a mainstream conservative, not right-wing, is an important point. If you think of an extreme right-wing fringe, he had none of those beliefs. His beliefs pretty much mirrored the founding principles of this nation, such as limited government, freedom of worship, and freedom of speech. His methods were also non-extreme: renouncing violence or force and encouraging a robust, open debate of the issues, especially with people who disagreed with his views.
When some people consider someone like Kirk to be an extremist, or the media labels him as far-right-wing, or “far right,” or even “right wing,” that is revealing: not as to anything about Kirk, but about themselves. They are so far left, that a mainstream conservative does indeed feel “far-right-wing” to them. It’s like with the old speedometers in cars with a needle: the further skewed the viewer was, the more inaccurate the person’s view of the speed was.
“ If you think of an extreme right-wing fringe, he had none of those beliefs. His beliefs pretty much mirrored the founding principles of this nation, such as limited government, freedom of worship, and freedom of speech.”
Some called Kirk far-right. Some called him a racist, and some called him a bigot. Howver even the extremist far-right didn’t like Charlie Kirk’s views. Tyler Robinson frequented far-right forums and sites sharing the same ideals as Nick Fuentes. That’s where the radicalization for Robinson began. Those groups do indeed succeed in radicalizing young minds like Tyler’s.
The right not wanting to accept or acknowledge extreme far-right influences may have radicalized Tyler would rather shift the blame on the left. It would be harder to admit he was a victim of extremist far-right views he embraced while online. People like NIck Fuentes were opposed to Charlie Kirk’s views and they were incensed when he would criticize Trump.
X/George continued deflecting Some called Kirk far-right. Some called him a racist, and some called him a bigot.
And every one of them your fellow Democrat violent far left extremists and bigots steeped in hatred. Oh… and their Cultural Marxist Useful Idiots like the murderer that wrote the Biden/Antifa “Trump and Kirk are fascists” on his ammunition.
Tyler Robinson frequented far-right forums and sites sharing the same ideals as Nick Fuentes. That’s where the radicalization for Robinson began.
You’re the only one claiming he frequented such forums George – give us a link to your sources.
So George: you claim the murderer picked up his “anti-fascist” hatred from Fuentes??? Not from you Democrats’ Biden/Antifa “anti-fascist” Free Hate Speech? The “anti-fascist” Free Hate Speech that came from Biden’s White House and in the streets and online from the Democrats stormtroopers in Antifa?</b
Tell us what leads you to try and convince us Fuentes endorsed the Obama/Biden Tranny Revolution. Tell us what you have that leads you to try and convince us Fuentes supported the Obama/Biden "Trump and Kirk and their followers are fascists!"
Tell us how Fuentes would embrace the mindset of a homosexual young man living with his lover – a male tranny in the middle of transitioning, a lover who held a hatred for anything conservative or Republican. You think in bed at night, they spoke to each other about… Fuentes?
You are such a pathetic and feeble liar that your hatred, lies, and bile almost qualify as sick humor.
“Some called Kirk far-right.”
At their extremes, the far right and far left meet: both become authoritarian.
Politically, Kirk was mostly a classical liberal (not Liberal or progressive). He believed in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Unlike many pseudo-Americans seen on this blog, he was American to the core.
How nice. Another racist hater bites the dust
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JUST IN: The Washington Post has fired race hustler Karen Attiah.
Trolls are still trying to deny the shooter was a leftist. But here is what Kash Patel said this morning:
My job as FBI direct is not to speak to motive, but to speak to the facts. . . . His family has collectively told investigators that he subscribed to left-wing ideology, and even more so during these last couple of years. And . . . the suspect had a text message exchange with another individual in which he claimed that he had an opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and he was going to do it, because of his hatred of what Charlie Stood for. Those are factually accurate investigatory findings by the FBI that we’ve handed over to the local authorities and federal authorities . . ..
https://x.com/FoxNews/status/1967560062508978632
Quoting Keystone Kop Kash ??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!
If he tried to investigate why the sun rose this morning he would get the wrong answer.
Ya gotta be kidding
This blog needs a down-vote button for trolls like you.
Diogenes – agreed, their comments are completely worthless. Anyone with an IQ over 20 knows that as the FBI director, Patel has access to much more information about this case than we do. The worthless troll offers no reason to believe she knows better than Patel what facts have been uncovered by the ongoing investigation.
So true
OK loser. enjoy (ano)
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FBI Director Kash Patel says his team have a DNA match at the scene of last week’s assassination of Charlie Kirk. The DNA of Tyler Robinson, the accused assassin currently in custody, was found on a screwdriver and a towel found near the roof where the fatal shot was taken.
“I can report today that the DNA hits from the towel that was wrapped around the firearm and the DNA on the screwdriver are positively processed for the suspect in custody,” Patel said.
Another deluded deep state fool heard from.
OOOOOOOO Did I hurt what little feeling you have ANO.
ATS – do you beleive that Tylers freinds and family told the FBI something different – that Kash is lying ?
Do you beleive that the press which is interviewing family, friends, classmates are all lying ?
The moment the bullet left the rifle, there were only 3 possibilities:
Mental illness
Violent left wing nut
Left wing plot.
No Nick Fuentes did not recruit the boyfriend of an MTF Trans person to take out Kirk.
Push back over something that is with certainty only going to snowball against you is STUPID.
A wise person does not bet on long odds with no return if you win and a large downside if you don’t
Kirk asked other to “prove me Wrong”
Not prove yourself stupid.
So you do not like Kash Patel, and do not trust him
Patel is merely echoing what those being interviewed say and the evidence gathered indicates.
Most of those interviewed are also talking to the press.
Kash is a liar as an argument makes you look like a fool when freinds and family are saying the same publicly.
If he tried to investigate why the sun rose this morning he would get the wrong answer.
And you’re still in grief that Keystone Kop Kash, uncovered and handed to the Republicans the Democrat criminal enterprise that was the Obama/Clinton felony-ridden “Trump-Russia Dossier”.
Those Democrat genius cops like Obama’s Attorney Generals Lynch and Yates, and FBI Directors Comey, McCabe, and Mueller couldn’t hide their Godfather Obama’s RICO criminal enterprise from Keystone Kop Kash.
Got anything else, Skippy?
OldManFromKS,
Thank you for posting that.
>”Trolls are still trying to deny the shooter was a leftist.”
On the contrary, seems to me a lot of trools are still trying to prove the shooter was a leftist.
* I’m ambidextrous.
dgsnowden posted On the contrary, seems to me a lot of trools are still trying to prove the shooter was a leftist.And then there’s wilfully blind dishonest idiots who seem to want readers here to believe that supporters of the Democrat Tranny Revolution and the Biden/Antifa Free Hate Speech of “Trump and Kirk are fascists!” and that isn’t straight out of the leftist/Democrat theology
Well, you’ve certainly convinced me to buy your schtick!
@ Old Man .. . do you know where is Kash Patel/FBI/Fox news is getting that information?
According to a Discord spokesperson, Tyler Robinson did not use Discord to either plan the murder of Charlie Kirk or to hide the evidence.
A Discord spokesperson … “In the course of our investigation, we identified a Discord account associated with the suspect, but have found no evidence that the suspect planned this incident or promoted violence on Discord.”
The statement goes on … “The messages referenced in recent reporting about planning details do not appear to be Discord messages. These were communications between the suspect’s roommate and a friend after the shooting, where the roommate was recounting the contents of a note the suspect had left elsewhere.”
‘It was me’: Suspect in Charlie Kirk shooting appeared to confess in Discord chat
“‘Im sorry for all of this’ read a message from the suspect’s account, according to two people familiar with the message and screenshots obtained by The Post.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2025/09/15/charlie-kirk-shooter-suspect-discord-chat/
What is disturbing is that we still have idiots who want to sell nut case theories like TR was a Gropyer.
But then these are the same people who think there is a Pee Tape, the laptop is russian disinformation and Biden is competent.
Further – it almost does not matter.
It is not Fuentes out joyfully celebrating Kirks assassination.
You can not have it both ways.
You can not claim that extreme right wing nuts did it – not you. But that it is a really wonderful thing that Kirk has been assassinated.
We can debate whether you should be fired for cheering an assassination.
There is no debate that you are not a good person if you are celebrating assassinations.
Dear Prof Turley,
Charlie Kirk was wrong about a lot of things. We all are, at one time or another. I can prove it*.
The willingness to debate, sincerely and honestly, implies a willingness to accept better arguments and opinion. A cursory review of Charlie Kirk’s debates, over time, suggests he was willing to change his mind.. . about a lot of things.
Of course, there is no remedy for dishonest debate. According to Son Sue, ‘deception is the basis of war’. .. politics by other means.
Charlie Kirk’s cowardly assassin, for whatever reason, was not willing to argue or debate.
*The Socratic method (also known as the method of Elenchus or Socratic debate) is a form of argumentative dialogue between individuals based on asking and answering questions.
dg
dgsnowden was wrong about a lot of things. Fixed it for ya.
I know that man has done a heck of all lot of good, you ever will!
Calm down Dusty. .. don’t get your panties in a wad.
All I’ve ever asked of my Marines is for them to obey my command like the word of God.
*we’ve got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over .. .
You post a stupid move.. Yeah real truth.
Something or someone told Robinson to kill Kirk. He’s staying quiet but the type leaves some evidence wanting the fame.
Drug testing, it could have been his radio or in a dream. Was he ever in a foreign country? Was he ever in another State or has he ever disappeared for a few months?
The assassin referenced a the song Bella Ciao. It was a song about the takeover of the nation by the fascists. ANTIFA means anti facists. This group believes that conservatives are fascist and compare Trump to Mussolini and Hitler. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3HsartoltcE&pp=ygUKYmVsbGEgY2lhbw%3D%3D. They fancy themselves as freedom fighters and openly declare that violence is justified. If the assassin wasn’t an anti fascist why did he reference this song. Some posting here say that it’s only gaslighting when the man himself let us know what his thoughts are. One thing we know for sure is that they didn’t try to kill Biden and they haven’t tried to kill the socialist Mamdani in New York City. You can tell who a woman is by knowing who her friends are that go their bail like Kamala Harris with her Gofund me page.
“When fascism comes to America, it will be in the guise of antifascism.”
Thinkitthrough
The O Bella Ciao meme has been used by the Nick Fuentes Groyper Army to mock Charlie Kirk.
Fuentes has been feuding with Kirk for years, accusing him of being insufficiently conservative, and even a covert leftist.
Since conservatives like to label leftists as fascists, the Groypers have co-opted the anti-fascist O Bella Ciao anthem as an ironic insult aimed at Kirk. They would often go to Kirk events and try to disrupt it by singing the song or simply chanting “O Bella Ciao”.
The song has also been found as a re-mix with Groyper themes on a playlist of songs on a Groyper Wars playlist.
‘The Italian partisan song “Bella Ciao”—a staple of leftist resistance, has been Groyper-fied. Once a hymn against Mussolini, it’s now chanted ironically at events to troll figures like Kirk, whom Groypers accused of “fascist” pandering to donors. “It’s a groyper anthem now… ironic co-opting and the groypers specifically targeted Kirk with this song,” noted an X observer. The flip? It mocks conservatives as the real “fascists” for not being extreme enough.”
https://x.com/BreakingNews4X/status/1966905427494580264
See also:
https://bylinetimes.com/2025/09/13/deadly-memes-tyler-robinsons-far-right-groyper-ties/
The O Bella Ciao meme has been used by the Nick Fuentes Groyper Army to mock Charlie Kirk.
How many times have the Democrats’ Tranny Army and Biden/Antifa “anti-fascist” Army supported Fuentes, versus demonizing him as they did Kirk. He ever receive death threats from any of you?
Were Fuentes and his followers also mocking Kirk because he was too conservative to join them in supporting the Democrat Tranny Revolution and the Obama/Biden/Antifa Free Hate Speech of “anti-fascists”?
Just come out like George/X, and claim Kirk was murdered by a person who you would consider to also be a far right extremist. All the “anti-fascist” messaging the murderer took the time to write on his cartridges was just a distraction.
Just like the Biden Bribery Laptop was just a Putin election misinformation deception…
Antifa is unique in one sense: it is the only organization that opposes itself.
TiT,
Protesters sung the song written on the bullet casings which killed Charlie Kirk at the vigil mourning his death tonight at NYU.
They also threatened to kill NYU College Republican Club president Ryan Leonard.
They’re not looking for peace. pic.twitter.com/m9x8vuPHID
— NYU College Republicans (@nyurepublicans) September 15, 2025
Could say that the normalization of riots, social unrest, inciting violence and the lapse of law & order have given life to the act of eliminating individuals who speak publicly with the ideals & values sanctioned by the constitution. America has fundamentally transformed enough . . .too much.
Looks like head of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church),
President Russell M. Nelson is steering clear of making any comments.
He serves as the prophet, seer, and revelator for the Church, having been ordained and set apart as its 17th president on January 14, 2018
There was an LDS mission president shot in Mexico during a robbery, August 2025.
Looks like head of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church),
President Russell M. Nelson is steering clear of making any comments.
Kind of like the Pope just steers clear (yet again) of making any comments when Catholic former students of Catholic schools, return to those schools to commit mass murders? Like the earlier Tranny murders less than two weeks ago?
Why not come out of the closet and tell us what you really want to say about those Mormons?
Minneapolis Catholic school shooter’s life marked by chaos before mass killing
https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-catholic-school-shooters-life-marked-chaos-before-mass-killing-timeline
Charlie Kirk assassination is: tragic to his generation and immediate family, senseless in regard to our values as Human beings, and to the point of What is Right and What is Wrong, This was wrong.
As the domestic ‘rage’ ferments and the Snowflake’s fairytales melt in the heat of the coming War, the chess board pieces have been moving into place, WW·III is coming. Your denial and salient censorship will not prevent it. The Forces behind these causes are much bigger than Freedom of Speech. They will push the agenda to completion.
We can not afford to allow this Act to be Windows Dressing, a distraction to the deaths occurring every day in the theater of the East/West Eurasian Front.
Johnathan, what did the Czech’ have to say about the Ukraine-Russo War theater?
These are the things Free Speech should be concerned about today. Focus[.] the War Machine is rolling.
F.Y.I.:
Czech Republic:
The Czech Army (Land Forces) comprises around 13,000 soldiers, making up a part of the total Czech Armed Forces, which had approximately 30,334 active personnel and a significant number of civilian employees and active reserve members as of a recent estimate. The overall Czech military is currently facing personnel shortages, with a strategic goal to increase its total size to over 37,500 troops to meet NATO commitments and growing security concerns.
Slovak Republic:
The Armed Forces of the Slovak Republic were divided from the Czechoslovak Army after dissolution of Czechoslovakia on 1 January 1993. Slovakia joined NATO on 29 March 2004.[5] From 2006 the army transformed into a fully professional organization and compulsory military service was abolished.[6][7][8] Slovak armed forces numbered 20,982 uniformed personnel and 4,500 civilians in 2025
[Approx:38,000 Czech + 26,000 Slovak = 64,000]
Russia:
There is no single number for Russian forces on a “western front” as the term can be ambiguous, but as of May 2025, over 600,000 Russian soldiers were deployed in the ongoing war in Ukraine. This number reflects the military focus on the Ukrainian conflict, with reports from May 2025 indicating that the Russian forces in Ukraine had doubled since the beginning of the war.
Re. History repeats itself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Front_(Soviet_Union)#/media/File:Eastern_Front_1941-06_to_1941-09.png
Finnish President: Today’s World Echoes “1918, 1945, Or 1989”
Finnish President Alexander Stubb told Bloomberg’s Francine Lacqua in a recent interview that today’s global landscape resembles a “1918, 1945, or 1989 moment in world history.” In other words, Stubb argues the world is at a critical juncture where the existing world order will inevitably give way to a new one.
By: Tyler Durden ~ Sep 15, 2025
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finnish-president-todays-world-echoes-1918-1945-or-1989
Using WIKI for truth is about as bad as you can get.
Using -Zero- citation to support your argument Dustoff is even worse. Put some effort into it will ya Pal.
Ano
Even the owners of WIKI have said their site is open source, so anyone can add lies to it
Evenn Wiki Articles have ‘Citation’ call Footnotes and References,
and ther reader is free to refute them as they wish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa#References
Now that you have our complete attention, we’re waiting on waiting on pins and needles for you to tell us,
Where are we going Dustoff? Where are we headed? You hold the Com, You’re at the Helm…
Answer the Questions with substance. What’s next Dustoff? What’s to come?
Beh-Bye
Speaker Johnson Blocks Massie’s Attempt To Repeal The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act
‘… Passed in 2012 as part of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013 (FY2013 NDAA), the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act repealed a ban on the dissemination of state-sanctioned propaganda by the federal government domestically. Its passage has served as a symbol of the distrust the American people have in the federal government. As terms like “misinformation,” “disinformation,” “fake news,” and the like have become part of the lexicon making up the modern American political discourse since its passage, the impact the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act has had on the distortion of reality that has served as the catalyst for the widening rift between Americans has come under increased focus in recent years. Like Massie, fellow critics of the law view its repeal as being necessary to realizing the increasingly dismal hope that trust between the United States government and its citizenry can be restored. …”
By: blueapples ~ Sep 15, 2025
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-09-15/speaker-johnson-blocks-massies-attempt-repeal-smith-mundt-modernization-act
Ref: Thomas Massie @RepThomasMassie
https://x.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1967227762592338048
Opinion: 1-Trillion Dollar Military Budget + the ICE expulsion of Counter-Revolutionary Insurgents (Immigrants) + the Digital Identification of Domestic Anti-War Factions and Personnel + Secured Trade Lines (Tariff Agreements) + Military and Economic U.S. Isolationism (Secured North American Hemisphere) = War is immanently being prepared for.
There are 6 more week until November when Winter weather begins to move in on the Northern Hemisphere, the Ukraine-Russo War will be in full action before winter hits. Volodymyr Zelenskyy is Our man (U.S Asset) that will be the one to spark it off. – It’s Coming –
Interesting development… An internet posse.
‘Expose Charlie’s Murderers’ Website Receives Over 50,000 Submissions of Leftists Celebrating Murder of Charlie Kirk — Declares Itself the ‘Largest Firing Operation in History’
by Ben Kew Sep. 14, 2025 8:40 pm
Excerpts:
“A website dedicated to exposing the sick leftists celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk has received over 50,000 submissions.”
“Expose Charlie’s Murderers is seeking to hold leftists accountable for their violent rhetoric following his murder.”
“This website is a lawful data aggregator of publicly-available information,” it states. “It has been created for the purposes of public education.”
“The idea behind our organization is simple: dangerous individuals with dangerous ideas shouldn’t be in positions where they can endanger others.”
“Those glorifying Charlie’s murder shouldn’t be doctors, law enforcement, lawyers, judges, or teachers.”
— Expose Charlie’s Mvrderers (@forcharliekirk1) September 14, 2025
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/expose-charlies-murderers-website-receives-50000-submissions-leftists/
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–Oddball
“Take it easy Big Joe, some of these people got sensitive feelings.”
Cliodynamics. A new science using data analysis predicted, in 2010, an outbreak of violence (crime, civil unrest and war) beginning in 2020 lasting 10-15 years and peaking in 2024. Peter Turchin, the scientist who developed this, believes it is due to an oversupply of elites competing for a finite number of available positions in society. The cycle is roughly 60-70 years and is observable over the historical record. Last cycle was in the 60s. Why no pundit, journalist or scientist has discussed this science in the context of current events is a mystery to me.
I predicted it in 2008. Didn’t need a degree. Or setup a Inc. to do it.
Tell us who you are.
Cochrane: I’ll engage. I never heard of Cliodynamics and there is no “definition” or explanation of the word “elites” in your comment.
If I personally define “elitists” as highly-educated and highly-moneyed, I would see our future as less of a game between haves and have-nots, and more of a game between elitists (who are “competing for a finite number of available positions in society”) who invest (for power and control) in proselytizing the have-nots to rise up against their (the elitists’) competition.
“Of course, the murder proved nothing except that senseless hate is sweeping over our country. Someone preferred to kill Kirk rather than engage with him or others who held opposing views.”
yes, it does prove that hate IS sweeping over our country, but I would not classify it as “senseless”. It was quite intentional, planned, reasoned and moralized. and this sweeping of hate and anger certainly has its sources….specific people, and mostly the media who have and continue to narrate falsely that people like Charles are racist, supremacists, bigots, misogynistic, homophobic,
they use these narratives in order to lay claim to some “other” moral advantage, but never bother to consider that yes, there is never going to be a compromise over certain fundamental issues. homo/trans, pro abortion, anti-constitutional rhetoric is simply incompatible for not only the population at large but the very foundations of a good a decent society. The media chooses the radical progressive if it feels good do it agenda because it prefers to remain anti-god. Prefers to denounce anyone in a leadership position whether public or private who openly claims to be a Christian. The hate has its source and we should stop pretending not to understand how that forms. When you reject God, and attack the very moral principles upon which millions of Americans depend on for their faith, balance, health both mental and physical, you are representing evil things. the Bible explains this in great details if you take the time to read it. Refusing to accept God is one thing. Publishing and insisting that God does not exist, that believers in God are some product of mass delusion effects is quite another. Satan is very real. Evil does exist. Satan’s goal is to influence people through sin, that rejecting God is the correct choice and the anyone who refuses to agree with that choice or rejection is to be attacked. It is no mystery we would find that a trans and sexual perverted relationship between two men would result in violence toward someone like Charles. it was not coincidental. when you combine that kind of perversion there is no good that can come from it.
we have to stop pretending that any of these sexual pervsions are normal. They are not. The behavior only leads to ruin and misery and as we have begun to realize there is definite volume of violence that is being released from this kind of behavior. Accepting or normalizing this behavior will not improve this condition, nor will ignoring it.
the reality is quite clear to me: there are at least two elements of our society that are wholly incompatible with one another. The element of our society that chooses God, believes in moral and good things and behaves itself away from the failed experience of a sexual perverted lifestyle. and then “other”.
the two simply cannot possible find a common ground.
the “other” have made it clear…violence is the way to gain power and control. this is what they want.
the war wasn’t triggered by Charles’ murder, but it sure has made people open their eyes and become more aware of the dangers that being conjured up by the radical left progressives, who have little use of any moral principle, much less God and faith to follow. They want to become God’s themselves…as Satan has influenced them to believe. if it feels good, do it.
unless our society can reform itself and place serious restrictions on this kind of behavior we are going to continue to see the violence continue to grow from this diseased segment of our society. you can bank on it.
God Bless America
Another crazy on the blog folks.
Like you too?
Just asking
Professor Turley,
It is absolutely incorrect, at this point, to claim that Robinson was extreme left, extreme right, or neither/both.
You selectively chose facts to argue that he was Antifa, but you left out a lot. Anti-gay bullet casings, for example. A photo surfaced of Robinson dressing up as sitting on Trump’s shoulders for Halloween in 2017. Numerous references from his family that he thought Kirk wasn’t conservative enough. Dressing up as a Groyper meme. The list goes on.
To write this article without even referencing the mountain of conflicting evidence is very troubling. The kid likely did not have a coherent political philosophy, as is the case with most of these shooters (like the Buffalo shooter, for example).
By failing to give your readers an accurate account of the available evidence, you are merely fueling the Age of Rage.
HAHAHA FBI does not agree with you. He has been posting all kinds of hate on-line.
Another crazy leftie
Dust bin, is that the extent of your intellectual contribution? Look in a mirror. See what crazy and hate looks like.
Naaaaaaaaa. I’ve saved far more lives then you ever will.
If you were a dustoff pilot, crew chief or corpsman, thank you. So others may live ….Some have no idea of what a dustoff slick is.
Subsequent empirical data definitively proves that Mr. Kirk’s shooter indeed did subscribe to far Leftist ideology.
In a WSJ interview, Utah governor Cox confirmed Robinson had been indoctrinated in leftist ideology. A relative to Robinson said, “He hates conservatives and Christians,” the relative said. “He hated us. He was not raised that way, but he, over the years, has become really detached [and] been radicalized.”
“He has obviously gotten progressively worse the last year or two,” the relative said, adding that he’s “always very angry.”
If so, why the anti-gay bullet casings?
You posted that can’t be proven. Try a website next time
I think Professor Turley has described him well. He may have come from a conservative, even MAGA if you want to call them that, he may have even been a Trumpist in the past but we know what he is today and was the day he decided to kill Charlie Kirk (allegedly) a leftist anti-free speech antifa convert. There is not conflicting evidence about that.
Why leave off the anti-gay bullet casings? How is that not conflicting evidence?
Mockery
“A photo surfaced of Robinson dressing up as sitting on Trump’s shoulders for Halloween in 2017. ”
That was eight years ago when he was what, 14 years old? You don’t think someone’s views might change between when they were 14 and when they are 22? I remember a similar issue with the assassin in Butler. Nearly all the data about him was from when he was in High School, years before the shooting. To a 50 year old, eight years ago isn’t so long. To a 22 year old, eight years might as well be half a lifetime.
All of the recent data on Kirk’s assassin points to leftist ideology. The idea that was default republican in high school, then became radicalized to the left in college makes the most sense.
Let’s just admit it. We all tend to hang around with people who share our own opinions and interests. Who wants to take the time to “debate” or engage with, or even listen to– someone who disagrees with you.
We applaud and admire Charlie Kirk and his legacy for his doing just that: invitation, debate and engagement.
But I ask that we also applaud and thank those young students in his massive crowd of supporters-who might NOT have agreed with all he said, but nonetheless came and sat quietly and respectfully–and took the time to LISTEN and CONSIDER what he was saying, —thereby leading to their own critical thinking and formulation of opinions/views.
The maturity and level-headedness and goodness of those students is lost to the one bad actor.
I want to applaud them as well as Charlie. They are the mature “thinkers” who hold the world in their palms.
(WiseOld Lawyer said, “it is easier to hate than to think.” So true. Thanks, Wise Man.)
Charlie was a hater and a bigot. He wanted a gun killing regularly so he could keep his Second Amendment ‘rights’.
He got his wish.
Another hate loving leftist speaks.
What a stupid comment from dusty.
Anonymous, create a name or don’t bother “debating”.
Notice Hullbobby. The left wing loons always hide them-selves.
I think the stupid comment was from George227 not only stupid but disgusting.
george227: If you would have had the courage of your conviction(s) to either attend a Turning Point event and say those things directly to Charlie’s face, -or even write a letter to Turning Point (I am assuming you did neither) —instead of using this blog to air your contempt,— I would view your comment differently. Instead, I am left to consider what Charlie might have said to you in response. It is my understanding that he was quite polite to his detractors and simply engaged with them for details.
Well lin, have you ever been to a TP event? No you have not. Using a hypothetical is the crutch of stoopid people.
I have never been to any TP events, but have been watching on you-tube for years.
What is your excuse?
Lin, why bother arguing with people that have half of your IQ, a tenth of your class and none of your grace and wisdom.
HullBobby,
As the saying goes, why engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person
Lin, to the question raised by George 227, calling him (Charlie) a hater and a bigot, he would say something along the lines of “Prove Me Wrong.” Perhaps in this case, he might ask why and add ‘why do you believe that’, because if you are right, I will change.
George, you are a liar.
Your display of empathy and compassion is underwhelming.
Enabler!
George 227 is trying to compete with George Svelaz for the Hater of the Month prize and the biannual prize of Ignorance.
You obviously didn’t watch or understand Charlie Kirk
Let’s just admit it. We all tend to hang around with people who share our own opinions and interests. Who wants to take the time to “debate” or engage with, or even listen to– someone who disagrees with you.
It does not appear you watched the interview of Justice Amy Coney Barrett by Bari Weiss even if I posted the link to it. She advocated, nay stated, she does just that what you say “we” tend to do. Maybe you are the problem Lin. You have a long history of excoriating Catholics because of your personal animus re: a gay friend who was allegedly sexually abused by a Catholic priest. Yet, you belong to the most vilified profession known to man: lawyers. I have yet to read your statement of your leaving your profession because of the evil attorneys do, to use your “argumemt” re Catholicism
I visit prisoners incarcerated in detention centers. Im not nor ever have been a prisoner.
I feed / clothe the homeless at a homeless shelter. I have never been homeless.
I provide medical care for immigrants who have no money nor health insurance. I have always had health insurance.
I adopted children who were not biologically mine who had an addict mother and different fathers. I was never an orphan
I have tutored black children though I am not black
One of my closest friend is a circuit judge and an atheist
I have friends who are former drug addicts, have had multiple marriages/divorces, never went to college, are progressives, conservatives, uneducated, PhD scientists and physicians, nurse friends who have a drug past, I went shooting this weekend with an atheist who hates religion, and dresses for Halloween in Catholic cleric pedophile signage. He invited us to attend his sponsored Halloween block party where >200 people attend. Im going as Thor, my spouse as a Catholic Saint
Get uncomfortable, lin. Go interact with people unlike you. You might learn something. If you and other conservatives have contempt for me, then perhaps listen to Justice Amy Coney Barrett interview by Bari Weiss. But, in the likely scenario, you have contempt for her too, then you really are part of the problem, just like the Left
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All this venting from you? -after I just finished asking that we applaud students who take the time to respectfully listen and consider those with whom they might disagree??????
Where are you coming from, Estovir? I’m confused.
Great post and well said Lin🙄🤣
He was a hater and a bigot who wanted occasional assassinations to keep his Second Amendment ‘rights’.
He got it.
George, ok, you’re gay, nobody cares, nobody is taking away your rights, nobody is saying anything negative about any of your life choices…and that included Charlie Kirk.
Being happy that a young husband and father was murdered is a special kind of disease and you really should seek help.
The demon who posts as George227 is a ghoul who celebrates the murder of an innocent husband and father of young children. He is a demon, literally. He is not human, but a spiritual force of evil.
“If you look at the problem, the problem is on the left. It’s not on the right, like some people like to share the right, the problem we have is on the left,” he said, according to a White House pool report. “And when you look at the agitator, you look at the scum that speaks so badly of our country, the American flag burning all over the place, that’s the left. That’s not the right.”
How do you justify the President calling PEOPLE “scum”? What do you do with scum? You eliminate it. This is a classic fascist way of talking. Sure, go ahead and rail against me. But before you do, look in the mirror and ask, how does language like this bring us together?
What you have to admit at this point is that we will never come together. We have evolved into 2 distinct mindsets and they are mutually exclusive for the most part. This is now a contest to see who will survive and who will not. There is no reclamation of all those twisted and raging, hate-filled minds – especially the indoctrinated, brainwashed and useless minds of the self-possessed and shallow. Give it up and pick a side.
WhimsicalMama,
Unfortunately, I think you are right. I recall hearing the tail end of a interview with Dan Rather on one of the NPR stations while in the truck. He was talking about the importance of talking to each other and listening. They took a caller, and she started immediately with how she did not want to talk to Trump supporters let alone be in the room with them. That was as far as she got as Rather cut her off, told her to tone down the anger, and you could hear it in her voice coming through the radio. 20 years ago, if Kirk was assassinated back then, I would figure there would be a few, very few, one offs saying something vile. Today, I am sadly shocked to see how many are celebrating his death. What was once would of been considered unacceptable on both sides by nearly everyone has given way to something truly ugly. It is a sad state of affairs.
I would say the best answer is the formation of two different societies, running in parallel, of which neither will meet. Based on their displays of intolerance, the leftists would not tolerate such a thing, attacking and destroying whenever they can.
Take this fine example, Teen arrested for allegedly trampling through Kirk memorial at Turning Point USA headquarters
“The teen appears on Fox News cameras walking through the memorial, kicking over items including flowers, vases and flags.”
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/teen-arrested-allegedly-trampling-through-kirk-memorial-turning-point-usa
WE can eventually come together after we again start prosecuting people who commit crimes and putting them in jail.
Some people are scum.
How do you justify calling half the country deplorable ?
Or Fascists, or Nazi’s or racists or …….
If that is the classic fascist way of talking then the left is deeply fascist.
ATS – you have no interest in being “brought together”.
You do not want to debate people like Kirk. You want to eliminate them so you do not have to debate.
Is there ANY of the myriads of things the left has been wrong about in the past decade that you are willing to admit that you were wrong about ?
How exactly are we to “come together” – when those of you on the left absolutely reject reality ?
The only “coming together” you are willing to do – if using FORCE to silence those who disagree with you.
John
Funny that the left forgets all the name calling they have done for years.
Anonymous, there once was a man who was in and out jail many times. He was a man who was a Meth addict. He was a man with a long history of crime that involved many victims. He had a criminal record including drug charges, theft, trespassing, and aggravated robbery (robbery by the use of force) from the 1990s to mid-2000s. His final arrest in 2020 was for a misdemeanor after a store clerk reported him for allegedly using a counterfeit $20 bill. He was a big man who tried to intimidate a clerk into taking the counterfeit twenty dollar bill. Recently a man stabbed a woman to death on a subway train. You will just have to excuse me if I call both of these men “scum”. There have also been many white men who have committed such criminal acts. I also say that they are “scum” because they are.
You call out Trump for saying that they are scum while at the same time you call Trump Hitler. Was Hitler “scum”?
TiT,
I would respectfully disagree with you on one point, the man who killed Iryan Zarutska, I dont think the word scum would apply. He was clearly mentally ill.
Now, the magistrate who freed him, who had no law degree. The three people on the train with Iryan who did nothing to stop the attack, to render aid or even comfort as her life bled out of her. They might deserve the title, “Scum.”
there is a segment of society that will never be compatible to the norms. it’s not wrong to call that out. the politically correct agenda that the radicals try to hide behind no longer works. no one believes in the obvious fabrications.
when you see this same segment continue to call those that it does not agree: fascists, nazis, mysogynists, authoratarians, racists, bigots, and the full range of the most disgusting words in the language….and do this with a white hot blazing anger…over years, and years.
just that alone…is enough to consider that these people are simply incompatible with society.
so what should be done to these people if not ridicule, isolation, disenfranchisement? we are to simply take it and ignore the threat of violence that grows every single day…sit quietly and hope these reprobates simply change their ways? risk allowing them space to infect our children with their VITRIOLE and morally disgusting behaviors.
we should simply ignore the radical left political figures that continues to foment violent action for those whom it does not agree?
tell me what you would have the Americans who make up the majority of the society do in response to this direct threat?
The murder of Charles may not necessarily be the watershed moment when Christians have to start acting against those who threaten our way of life, but I can assure you it definitely started a fire that isn’t going to be put out any time soon.
there ARE specific people in our society who are responsible for fomenting this violence…and you can be 100 certain they are not going to ride off free of any consequences for helping to create this conflict. bank on it.
And how do you justify a President calling the people “garbage”? What do you do with garbage? You eliminate it, bury it in landfills or burn it. Look in the mirror yourself
Ants are good at what they do with chemical communication- pheromones. We do it with thought, speech and votes. Discuss, inform, persuade. That is the example Charlie Kirk sets. Rage and violence is a demand that outcomes must be a product of only their ideas- their pheromones. I had a friend who pulled up on his Harley behind a convertible full of coeds on a traffic circle by TCU in Fort Worth. He waited for them to pull into the traffic. And waited. And waited. Finally, he he hoisted himself up with the handlebars, and called to them “Ladies, the sign says Yield, not Surrender”.