I recently wrote about the effort of leading politicians, pundits, and the press to deny the existence of Antifa as violence on the left rises around the country. Even Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison (D) insisted that “nobody” knows what the left-wing terrorist organization Antifa is and that it does not exist. However, he previously promoted the “Antifa Handbook” in 2018 and praised the group as terrifying Trump. Rep. Dan Goldman (D., N.Y.) dared anyone to name a single member of Antifa. The Justice Department just named two in what is believed to be the first terrorism-related prosecution of Antifa members.
Federal prosecutors have charged two North Texas men, Cameron Arnold and Zachary Evetts, who are accused of helping orchestrate an attack on an ICE detention center in Alvarado. They are charged with providing material support to terrorists, attempted murder of officers and employees of the U.S., and discharging a firearm in relation to a crime of violence.
On the night of July 4, several masked individuals dressed in black vandalized vehicles and security cameras in the ICE parking lot and then opened fire on an Alvarado police officer who approached them, seriously wounding one officer.
According to the indictment, Cameron Arnold yelled, “Get to the rifles,” as police responded to the attack.
“Seconds later, coconspirator-1 [Arnold] opened fire on the officers, striking the Alvarado officer in the neck area as the unarmed correctional officers ducked and ran for cover. The wounded officer fell to the ground but was able to return a few shots. Coconspirator-1 continued to fire additional rounds until his rifle jammed. The attackers then left the scene.”
ICE found fliers bearing messages like, “FIGHT ICE TERROR WITH CLASS WAR!” and “FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS” at the scene.
The DOJ describes Antifa “as a militant enterprise made up of networks of individuals and small groups primarily ascribing to a revolutionary anarchist or autonomous Marxist ideology, which explicitly calls for the overthrow of the U.S. government, law enforcement authorities, and the system of law.”
As I discussed in my book, “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.” Antifa is the most violent, anti-free speech group in the nation.
By design, Antifa avoids typical leadership hierarchies and organizational structures. Antifa was first created in the 1920s, associated with the Weimar-era German communist group Antifaschistische Aktion. It has always emphasized anonymity and secrecy to evade law enforcement in carrying out violent attacks.
The indictment details how this group used encryption systems to conceal their communication.
The group allegedly showed up with over 50 firearms that were purchased in Fort Worth, Grand Prairie, Dallas, and other locations. That included numerous AR-platform rifles.
Former House Judiciary Chair Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) was widely ridiculed for denying the existence of Antifa.
Others on the left have joined Goldman in this absurd claim. Late-night host Jimmy Kimmel committed part of his monologue to assure viewers that Antifa is no more than a mythical “chupacabra.” “You understand there is no Antifa,” he said. “This is an entirely made-up organization.”
Law enforcement officials like former FBI Director Christopher Wray have long debunked the deniers like Goldman. “Antifa is a real thing,” said Wray.
I have testified about Antifa before Congress, run columns on the organization for over a decade, and wrote a book discussing Antifa. Nevertheless, I opposed declaring Antifa a terrorist organization due to free speech concerns, but I also know that it is very real.
The Administration clearly chose this case carefully for the first terrorism-related case. The level of concealment and coordination reinforces the view of an organizational identity and machine.
In the indictment, the government alleges that “Some Antifa Cell members discussed logistics, previous site reconnaissance, and locations of security cameras at the facility. They exchanged a map of Prarieland and the surrounding area that showed the locations of nearby police stations.” One individual allegedly said that one of the groups would be “bringing a wagon to hold armor and rifles.”
In the end, even if the terrorism-related charge fails, the remaining counts will be difficult to defeat as a whole, and the government only needs one or two counts to secure a lengthy prison sentence.
Here is the indictment: United States v. Arnold
Let’s wait until the case against these two individuals moves forward.
Turls, anti fascism has existed as a cause since the advent of fascism. And I’ve seen you rail against anti fascism here on your blog for years….
The stated purpose of whatever makes up what you refer to with your buddies at fox is to ‘punch a nazi in the face’… it’s just there to f with fascists and there is no organized group around it…
The guys who got busted for the action on the ICE station are just patriots attacking the truly organized gang terrorizing the American public.
Yeah, kinda like how Hamas are freedom fighters even when the freedom fighting comes with gang raping Israeli women so hard that their pelvises break before they are slaughtered. We get it. You make up your own justification, and they declare any means necessary because you declared yourself justified. The problem is this–fascists don’t really exist. They are figment of Antifa’s imagination, a giant straw man to set up and attack for the fun of violating anyone who isn’t a communist tool. Antifa is all trash. You all should be in prison.
Nice conversation you’re having with yourself. There’s drugs for that.
Hamas is not anything like Antifa. Hamas has a very identifiable leader and structure. Antifa has no structure and is simply an idea like Islamic fundamentalism, an ideology to which Hamas subscribes
So the proper comparison to Antifa is Islamic fundamentalism not Hamas.
Very different.
So you wouldn’t have a problem if ICE officers pump the “ideas” full of lead then when defending themselves from bodily harm, right? After all, you can’t unalive an idea. 🙂
IDF makes up a lot of things. Breaking the pelvis is more of a “drive the vehicle over the suspected terrorist” sort of injury. Quite a few dead people at the music festival and surrounding towns had IDF bullets taken from their bodies.
Recall how, early on, two Jewish men came out of a hiding place in Gaza where they had escaped captivity, stripped to the waist to show they did not have bomb vests, yelling for help and begging for their lives in Hebrew? And that an IDF patrol, sent in to rescue hostages, killed them both?
I suspect 90% of the horrific mutilations were the IDF driving over people Hamas had shot, but otherwise didn’t maim or as a result of fires started by IDF attacks on any house they thought might have had a Hamas soldier inside it.
Netanyahu ignored increasingly agitated pleas for help from the front line observers, didn’t care when their phones went dead, had refused to repair or upgrade surveillance equipment for a decade or more and then declare that Hamas is an existential threat to Israel. If one is concerned that millions of people will be wiped out, one keeps a really close eye on the potential cause. On the other hand, if one needs an excuse to go kill a bunch of people – do what Netanyahu did and drop the defense where only a tiny portion of the populace is sacrificed to justify a major land grab and gore fest.
You have the vivid imagination of an idiot.
Presently, Hamas has been killing other Palestinians who don’t wish to live under the Hamas banner.
“Turls, anti fascism has existed as a cause since the advent of fascism. ”
Dear little cowardly Antifa fascist…. carefully choosing violent fascism as your only tool to attack free speech you hate and want to silence and governments that aren’t communist is always accompanied by attempts to justify your criminality by claiming those you’re attempting to destroy are the real fascists.
Freud wrote a century ago that the sexually dysfunctional psychopaths he was treating often used channeling as a means of self-confession to deal with whatever little remaining guilt and morals they had: accusing those they hated the most of their own malfeasance and anti-social behavior.
Don’t change a single thing you’re saying, little soy boy. In fact, go even more public with it than you are already. Be loud and proud.
Institutionalized therapy beckons. Get on it, cap.
ATS as is typical of the left – the label you apply to something and what it is often are the opposite.
AntiFA in the US today has very little to do with the 1930’s Antifa in in Germany.
No the guys attacking ICE are neither real antifascists – the actual antifascists today are republicans seeking to end left wing fascist big govenrment and to restore the rule of law.
No the guys attacking ICE today are not Patriots.
That is actually an absurd claim – even if we take labels as the LEFT uses them Antifa are LEFT Anarchists. No self respect Anarchist would EVER call themselves a patriot.
Patriotism REQUIRES the concepts of nationalism – a national identity.
Is “punching a nazi in the face” the actual purpose of today’s Antifa ?
That is something you might be correct about – so long as Nazi simply means anyone whose ideas I do not like.
Regardless your “punch a nazi in the face” reference actually is a good clarification of exactly what is wrong with the left today.
Words and ideas that you do not like are NOT violence.
Society does not and can not work if any significant portion of people can legitimately believe they can use ACTUAL violence in response to the expression of ideas and views they do not like.
If you believe that you can go around labeling anyone whose ideas and views you do not like as a Nazi, and that then justifies violence
Then you are quite literally a terrorist, and a massive threat to society as a whole.
We can not make the civilized world of the past 10,000 years of human existence work if significant portions of people believe and act on the belief they can initiate ACTUAL violence against those they disagree with.
TL/DR
Antifa IS a made up organization. It is a movement, but it is not an organization. Even former FBI director Christopher Way said it was not an organization; that it is best described as a movement. He said this in the very testimony to Congress that Mr. Turley linked to. It is an ideological mind set shared by some number of people. I don’t share their ideology. It is an ideology that is and ought to be subjected to criticism. But those who keep trying to portray it as an organization or as a serious threat to American democracy are flat-out lying. Donald Trump is a far greater threat to American Democracy than is Antifa.
Pelt
Christopher Way
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Is also a liar.
Antifa “is not an organization.”
Okay.
Antifa is a ragtag, random collection of terrorists.
Does that make you feel better?
“Even former FBI director Christopher Way said it was not an organization”
That would be the same FBI Director Wray who has been referred for prosecution after FBI investigators have determined he perjured himself to Congress numerous times about the Biden felonies? Why, yes it is!!!!
You Biden Bolshevik Boys did a great job of choosing Wray to match your own credibility here.
Squeal like a pig, you unindicted terrorist.
Wray may have been referred for prosecution; Trump has been convicted. If the latter doesn’t matter the former is of vanishing importance.
PR – I think describing Antifa as an ideology is a reach. Antifa is more a bunch of looney Anarchists toddlers that either do not have the brain power or have lost the ability to excercise it, to grasp that the self contradictory nonsense they are shilling if actually implimented would return humanity to pre civilized state.
As to whether Antifa is an “organization” – you are innaccurate but that is irrelevant. They have sufficient structure for law enforcement to successfully target.
As to what is the greatest threat to freedom.
The idiot left wing claim that Trump is some threat to freedom is on its face absurd and proof of the total lack of intellectual capacity on the part of those on the left.
Even if you wish to pretend that Project 2025 is the agenda – rather than Trump’s platform Agenda 47, even if you wish to pretend that either or both of those agenda’s are worse than the current status quo – you are still talking about regression on SOME modern values to those possibly 40 years ago. In what lunatic world is returning to the US of the 80’s an existential threat ?
Neither Trump nor republicans are seeking to return to the 80’s – but they are to varying degrees looking to undo a large number of failed left wing policies of the past 40 years.
They are NOT looking to undo EVERYTHING – just the failures.
They are seeking to shrink government – and that BTW ALWAYS means MORE freedom not less.
You can argue it means more freedom for individuals to do things you do not like – but it still ALWAYS means MORE freedom not less.
Which is again part of the idiot 1984 like language games of the left.
The left is absolutely NOT fighting for Freedom. That is a stupid claim that is self contradictory to everything the left claims it wants.
You can try to argue that what the left wants is “for the common good”. But it is absolutely OPPOSITE of freedom.
The left LITERALLY is about reducing most individual freedom to advance hoped for common good goals.
Whether you like it or not actual freedom includes the freedom to do things that either you think are bad – or even actually are bad.
Trump and the Republicans are looking to return to the 1820s. The 1980s saw Reagan making deals with terrorists worldwide to bolster his public perception. He complained Democrats were “tax and spend” and replaced it with “debt and spend.” Every indicator of US economic growth began to decline in the 1980s from Republican led efforts, in particular the rise of the tax slashing for corporations. The greatest period of US economic growth happened during the time the top marginal tax rate was around 90%.
We are not a democracy – and actual democracy is a threat to freedom.
Trying to compare antifa and Trump is like comparing apples and rockets.
They have nothing to do with each other.
Antifa is not a serious threat to society as a whole – just as the Mafia is not a serious threat to society as a whole. That does not mean they are harmless. That does not mean they should be ignored.
They ARE stupid, and they are disruptive and they are violent. And the social contract actually requires ANY government to crush them – because that is the primary purpose of government,
to use the collective force that people have chosen to delegate to government to crush those who would initiate force to get their way. That is literally the social contract.
Antifa is not a threat because they are a tiny fringe movement that does not have any significant societal support. If there really was broad support for the use of violence to get your way politically – then antifa would be far more of a real threat than the Nazi’s ever were.
But the fact that they are a small but annoying problem does not mean they should be ignored.
Trump is a very very real threat to the failed values of the modern left.
But those values are NOT core values that have been arround for 250 years, they are not even core values of the past 20 years. They are fringe values that the left has been suddenly successful at forcing on us in the last 15 years. And if those value are important to you – Trump is an existential threat. He is intent on ripping them out by the roots and burning them to ash.
Trump is a threat to democracy – but we are NOT a democracy and never have been.
And honestly even left wing nuts do not really want democracy – those of you on the left HATE ordinary people and would NEVER allow them to have a real voice in their own govenrment.
The modern left is overtly anti-democratic. You are intent on govenrment by your cabal of elites who beleive you know better than everyone else.
Your effort to frame whether antifa is an organization is irrelevant.
They are violent and lawless, and the social contract that justifies the existance of any govenrment at all, requires that govenrment must eradicate them.
And given the will – which republicans have and democrats lack – they can be dramatically diminished if not completely eliminated.
All the rest of your claims regarding their structure – even if true are just speed bumps in the process of eliminating them.
Claiming (falsely) that a bunch of lawless and violent criminals share ideas and values rather than plans and coordinated actions does not alter the FACT that the core social contract duty of government is to thwart and punish those that use violence as the means to accomplish anything.
Antifa is not lawless. They just object to some of the ones that protect Nazis. I’m sure they pay taxes, obey traffic signals and, unlike the President, aren’t connected closely to a guy who traffics in the sexual exploitation of underage girls.
Patel says FBI found more weaponization crimes, close to solving command and funding for Antifa
“Follow the money: Among other things, FBI boss says probes have found fascinating connections between traditional anarchist groups like Antifa and transgender activist groups that are incubating in places like social media platforms favored by gamers.”
https://justthenews.com/government/security/patel-says-fbi-found-more-weaponization-crimes-close-unmasking-command-and
Oh, no! Looks like our leftist friends narrative is falling apart!!
How marvelous!!
The Nazis had their Brownshirts. Iran has Hezbollah and Hamas. The Democratic Party once had the KKK — and today it has Antifa.
Every ideology seems to breed its own militant wing, the one that does what the politicians won’t say out loud. Yet we keep asking whether Antifa itself is a terrorist organization, when maybe that’s the wrong question. Given the violence, intimidation, and political protection it’s enjoyed over the past decade, perhaps the more honest question is whether the modern Democratic Party has become the terrorist organization’s sponsor.
“The Democratic Party once had the KKK — and today it has Antifa.”
To look through the fog, there is always Olly, who has the clearest of vision. The Democrat Party (or a significant part of it) has Antifa, which is framed, as it should be, right after “The Democratic Party once had the KKK.” The latter portion of his statement demonstrates the Democrat’s Party’s reliance on violent groups is continuous for over 150 years.
You nailed it SM. Antifa wasn’t labeled domestic terrorists for their politics — but for their actions. Denying they exist is pure gaslighting. Maybe the real threat isn’t Antifa, but the political machine that keeps protecting it.
This was me.
Olly, show the pay stubs.
The two alleged protesters who may identify as anti-American Establishment, Pro-overthrow of Republican Gvt., mostly peaceful but violent when triggered Leftists are clearly Lone Wolves and any support or direction they received simply came from other Lone Wolves, and their efforts may also inspire other Loners to similar action. If foreign bad actors are involved, they too all act alone and any evidence is fabricated by organized Fascists. Or perhaps these patsies were simply set up by the recently hijacked Rightwing FBI that is wanting more funding to fight Primarily Peaceful Leftwing Domestic Political Groups but had to resort to entrapment, as all the politically violent organizations and militias are branches of the Fascist Republican Party. Pondering such possibilities as a recovering Democrat is amusing but obviously reveals the deeper reality of certain corrupted ideals and twisting of facts and truth with aim to obstruct the system and propel the transformative revolution heroically forward no matter how outlandishly.
There is a full court press by Antifa to flood the internet and media sphere with the claim “Antifa doesn’t exist.”
No court room in the United States of America will waste valuable taxpayer resources prosecuting violent collaborators who act under the color of any group, leader or no leader.
In CALIFORNIA of all places, that’s exactly what happened.
https://www.sdcda.org/content/office/newsroom/tempDownloads/06967773-7da9-42c8-b8bf-de9665dc45e0_Antifa%20Sentencing%20News%20Releae%206-28-24.pdf
Don’t be gaslit, my friends.
Antifa-deniers are a laughing stock, for sure. I’m reminded of J Edgar Hoover back in the last century, claiming that the “Mafia” didn’t exist, only to be proven wrong by his own agency. Yes, you cannot Google “Antifa” and get an address or phone number, just as you can’t Google the “Mafia” for its phone number or address. Yet, both are prolific criminal organizations whose evil deeds show us who and what they are. Ironically, the famous RICO statute (for Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) was enacted more than half a century ago to prosecute the various “families” of various Mafia organizations. It helped to collapse the “Five Families” and other sub-parts of the Mafia in the U.S. The Attorney General seems poised to dust off the RICO statute to jail Antifa members who commit terrorist acts and other crimes in what is clearly a global and insidious criminal conspiracy.
“Antifa-deniers are a laughing stock…” and yet you or your cohorts can prove it exists.
Read your own statement (before you hit enter).
Yet, they have a web site, https://rosecityantifa.org/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_City_Antifa.
It was interesting to see one of the Antifa agitators in Portland after he was caught and his mask taken off. He was shaking like a homeless puppy dog. All that was lacking was Sara McLaughlin singing,”In the arms of the angels..”
There is a dangerous dynamic when a mob is formed. There is also danger in persuasion of the youth. Charlie Manson understood and exploited his followers to do his bidding and killing.
The DOJ, Treasury and FBI are making their funding and communication networks a priority. Good. A few sacrificial lambs with long prison sentences and they will seep back into the cracks.
Who are “they”?
Who are “you”? Antifa apparatchik, perhaps?
E.M.
I am thinking some of the others may flip and the FBI and DOJ will be able to get a better grasp on organization and possible funding from dark money sources.
A correction Dr. Yurley, it is a man and a woman under indictment.
No it isn’t. It is a man and another man pretending to be a woman.
If there’s no Antifa then how can there be an Antifa defense fund?
Follow the money…
A decentralized organization of loose knit individual cells with overall directive of tasks and political agenda enacted through violence.
Too bad the Antifa people don’t wear white bedsheets because I think the Democrats would quickly recognize them. “Oh you mean those guys, well we don’t support them at all.” Except for donations and equipment and police told to look the other way. Cry me a river.
To begin with, those fellow republican you imply wore bedsheets, were not bedsheets, rather custom made togas as worn by Roman republican senators.
Those fellow republican (sic) were not bedsheets? Good to know.
Did President Autopen slip you a five dollar bill to come here to post it was actually Republicans, not him and Senator Grand Kleagle Byrd carrying out the Democrat KKK tradition?
Who else would suggest such a pathetic lie?
Antifa have been one of the Democrats two primary street gang storm troopers since before Trump, and even before they were part of Obama’s police state fascism in Ferguson.
They used to prefer to call themselves “black block”, but the time wasn’t quite right yet for their open violent criminality back then to be given a pass by the Democrats.
If they did wear sheets they would be pee stained…
There is a long history of Anarchist Terror in the country, including the assassination of a President. From AI. Notice the Leftist bent?
Haymarket Affair (1886):
During a rally in Chicago for an eight-hour workday, an unidentified person threw a bomb at police officers.
The ensuing violence killed several police officers and civilians. Eight anarchists and labor leaders were convicted in a biased trial, and four were executed, which intensified public fear of radical movements.
Homestead Strike assassination attempt (1892):
Anarchist Alexander Berkman attempted to assassinate Henry Clay Frick, the manager of the Carnegie Steel Company, during the Homestead steel strike. Berkman’s partner, Emma Goldman, was implicated in the plot and later imprisoned for resisting the draft during World War I.
Assassination of President William McKinley (1901):
Anarchist Leon Czolgosz assassinated President McKinley in Buffalo, New York. Czolgosz, who held ties to the U.S. anarchist movement, believed McKinley was an enemy of the working people.
Galleanist bombings (1919–1920):
Followers of Italian anarchist Luigi Galleani carried out a series of mail and large-scale bombings in several cities. Targets included law enforcement, judges, politicians, and prominent businessmen like J.P. Morgan and John D. Rockefeller. A bomb sent to Attorney General Alexander Palmer triggered the Palmer Raids, during which thousands of suspected radicals were arrested. The group is also the prime suspect in the 1920 Wall Street bombing, though the crime was never officially solved.
Late 20th and 21st centuries
Weather Underground Organization (WUO) (1969–1970s):
This far-left, anarcho-communist group was dedicated to overthrowing the U.S. government. They carried out dozens of bombings targeting government buildings and banks to protest the Vietnam War, among other issues. Notable targets included the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon, and the State Department.The WUO generally issued warnings before detonations to avoid casualties.
The Unabomber (1978–1995):
Anarcho-primitivist Ted Kaczynski, also known as the Unabomber, mailed or hand-delivered 16 bombs over 17 years.
His acts of violence, which killed 3 people and injured 23 others, were meant to advocate for nature-based anarchism against modern technology.
Recent anarchist-inspired attacks (2015–present):
FBI and DHS data from 2015 to 2019 assessed anarchist violent extremists (AVE) as a significant threat of violence, with seven notable incidents during that period.Attacks during this time often occurred during protests, targeting law enforcement or property.
A 2021 report noted that since 1994, 92% of anarchist attacks targeted property and infrastructure rather than individuals.
In July 2019, an activist identifying as an anarchist and Antifa supporter attempted to bomb an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facility in Washington state
In 2020, during protests following the death of George Floyd, militant anarchists firebombed an Amazon delivery vehicle in Los Angeles.
In July 2025, an ambush on an immigration detention facility in Texas was attributed to a group of militants, with 16 people arrested.
All made up using AI.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh no
Weather Underground Organization leaders were good friends of Bill Clinton.
And you’re actually a boy who is now a girl because AI assured you that cosplaying as a little girl made you real, not a made up girl.
Black Panther Party, SLA, Abbey Hoffman, Hanoi Jane, Bill Ayers, Patricia Dorn, all radical people and radical violent organizations. Weather Underground blew up buildings, robbed banks, killed a police officer and pushed violent riots. Black Panthers burned Oakland to the ground and engaged in armed insurrection against the police with regular shoot outs. Ahhhh, the 60s-70s, now we have the soy boy and troll chick waaaaaaa, I hate Nazis and Fascists idiots that can’t even discern their own gender.
“Black Panthers burned Oakland to the ground”
Oakland is a large area. I think it would have been noticed if it burned to the ground. Apparently the Black Panthers took to the streets to discourage rioting in Oakland after the assassination of MLK.
In Philadelphia the police set a fire that burned an entire city block to the ground. That was noticed. And the FBI burned the Branch Davidians housing to the ground. Also noticed.
I think there’s a serious problem with “free speech” when it becomes Seditious Speech! Which translates into Seditious activities! And those who have been funding these terrorists activities, need to be found out, and severely punished.
First off, calling something seditious does not make it seditious. You fell into the conservative word trap. Antifa does not exist, its just conservatives tacking a name on activities by individuals carrying out activities i.e., demonstrations, does not make it a living breathing well funded and managed organization like the Republicans Party.
“ Antifa does not exist.”
Gaslighting: it won’t work anymore.
Please prove antifa exists.
Ask Andy Ngo you lying moron.
Ngo is an attention seeking homosexual, just the ones who Dance in bizarre female garb. He’ll say anything for attention and fools like you support. If only you knew more about him.
WOW so you hate homosexuals.
True side is sticking out.
Yet no one here can prove antifa exists. Your kind just resort to insults.
I have a STEM background. “prove” is a pretty high standard. If you think it’s easy, why don’t YOU prove that Antifa DOESN’T exist. And while you’re at it, you can do the same with God and Santa Claus. Forgive me if I don’t hold my breath while I wait.
Anyone in STEM knows one cannot prove that something does not exist. Sometimes one can prove that something cannot exist, such as in perpetual motion machines. but other than limited cases, such proof is impossible.
I don’t need to, it’s self evident. As to legally?
https://www.sdcda.org/content/office/newsroom/tempDownloads/06967773-7da9-42c8-b8bf-de9665dc45e0_Antifa%20Sentencing%20News%20Releae%206-28-24.pdf
So you spent the last hour scouring wikipedia for something, anything that smells of proof. Its not proof. You haven’t proven anything granny, you use others’ propaganda.
Never seen a non existent organization flying their own flag
Just google Antifa flag and you will see images of it. It’s a worldwide organization
Portland
Plus they were caught putting their riot supplies in a storage bld they rented.
Please prove you aren’t a lying Democrat Tranny Sea Lion.
“Please prove antifa exists”
Sealioning
Sealioning is a form of adolescent trolling where someone persistently demands answers to insincere questions to provoke a response, often pretending to seek a civil debate while actually trying to exhaust or frustrate others with no intention of real discourse. This behavior is characterized by a facade of politeness and a refusal to acknowledge previous answers. Often used as a tactic by Democrats in online forums and podcasts
Do not need to.
DOJ/FBI are required to hunt down and punish those who use violence as the means to accomplish political goals.
Fighting over how organized they are is solely about the dificulty in accomplishing that tasks. Regardless I expect the FBI to follow whatever threads that connect violent actors because that makes hunting them down and punishing them easier. If there are few or no threads, that just means the task is harder.
It does not change the fact that using violence as the means to accomplish political ends is lawless and an actual threat – not just to govenrment, but society.
Antifa is NOT a existential threat – but that is because they are fringe, they do not really have broad popular support. If they did, society would degenerate to anarchy rapidly – that is quite litterally Antifa’s express goal.
But the fact that they are fringe does not change the obligation of govenrment to hunt down and punish the use of violence as the means to any ends.
Let’s consider this imbecile’s statement for a nanosecond. A flag that says Antifa on it, a Handbook titled Antifa Handbook, violent protests with participants waiving flags with Antifa on them, outside indoctrination on how to participate from other people identifying themselves as Antifa, promotion of violent protests by entities while establishing Antifa defense funds, Yea, nothing here folks. The stupid is strong in this one…
Does the oligarchy exist?
So you’re saying Antifa and “the oligarchy” is one and the same?
No. How do you even get that?
Are the same. Not is the same,
In Russia
they were also active in Brazil to remove Bolsonaro
“i.e demonstrations” LMAO
Dude, you’re way out of your depth here. Demonstrations. Even you don’t believe this.
Patel says FBI found more weaponization crimes, close to solving command and funding for Antifa
“Follow the money: Among other things, FBI boss says probes have found fascinating connections between traditional anarchist groups like Antifa and transgender activist groups that are incubating in places like social media platforms favored by gamers.”
https://justthenews.com/government/security/patel-says-fbi-found-more-weaponization-crimes-close-unmasking-command-and
Once again, your narrative is falling apart!!!!
How marvelous!
When conservative gay activist Milo Y. was scheduled to speak at UC Berkeley in 2017, 150 masked agitators, dressed in Black Bloc attire, spontaneously left their homes and converged on campus at the same time. Members of this group injured two College Republicans, and caused $100;00] worth of damage, before the administration pulled the plug, two hours before Milo was to speak.
“Black-clad protesters wearing masks threw commercial-grade fireworks and rocks at police. Some even hurled Molotov cocktails that ignited fires. They also smashed windows of the student union center on the Berkeley campus where the Yiannopoulos event was to be held.” — CNN
“You fell into the conservative word trap. Antifa does not exist.” ALSO: men can be women, simply by telling Democrats they are women, and then demand the right to compete against real women.
There’s the usual Democrat/Antifa fraud: illegal aliens are actually just undocumented Biden voters, black clad Antifa terrorists are actually conservative republicans who left their red baseball hats at home.
Right out of Orwell’s ‘1984’: Winston, the revolution will be complete when we have the language perfect.
ATS – if as you claim Antifa does not exist, then why are you so bent out of shape that the FBI is now targeting it ?
Do you have a problem with law enforcement prosecuting violent criminals who murder people ?
To the extent that Antifa is organized that simply makes it easier for law enforcement to hunt them down.
The core social contract responsibility of government is to use the force that we the people as part of the social contract delegated to govenrment to hunt down punish and thwart those who would use violence as the means to accomplish whatever their desired ends.
It does not matter whether you use violence as the means to the ends of personal enrichment.
or you use it as the means to accomplish political goals – which is core to Antifa AND actual Fascists.
You wish to claim antifa is not an organization – that it is just a shared ideleology – false but also irrelevant. The obligation of government to find and punish those who initiate violence is at best mildly hindered by that.
The rule of law requires hunting down all those who would use violence as the means to political ends – and that means antifa.
The retorts from the leftist POS commenters on this board are striking in their anger. It is clear to see who is for the violence and who is not.
Slow down there… can you prove they’re leftists? Maybe people challenging conservative orthodoxy. You response is to attack them verbally. Another example of a no education redneck folks.
Can you prove they’re rednecks?
Can you disprove they’re rednecks?
The burden of proof is on you.
Why on anon, can you prove it?
“Can you disprove they’re rednecks?”
Sealioning
Sealioning is a form of adolescent trolling where someone persistently demands answers to insincere questions to provoke a response, often pretending to seek a civil debate while actually trying to exhaust or frustrate others with no intention of real discourse. This behavior is characterized by a facade of politeness and a refusal to acknowledge previous answers. Often used as a tactic by Democrats in online forums and podcasts
Please provide your definition of “A Redneck”. I’ll wait….
Redneck = Jerry Stmbo. Stumbo, really? Are you tired yet?
Yes, you make me extremely tired. If brains were gas you wouldn’t have enough to get half way around a BB on a motorcycle.
Communist criminal attempts to silence free speech and attempt to overthrow elected governments is a legitimate response to conservative orthodoxy.
Another example of university masters degree candidates in Lesbian Dance Theory proudly displaying the skills they learned in that program.
treeperfectly,
It is not anger. It is desperation. We have been seeing it from leftists for quite some time. They keep losing over and over again and again. They know they are losing. That is why the annony moron makes such simplistic and moronic comments in vain attempts to deflect, gaslight or outright lie.
For some reason, the annony moron has recently latched on to the insult of uneducated redneck. What does that even mean? When asked, the annony moron then tries to insult by equating a particular commenter as “Commenter = Redneck!” as if that proves anything. What it does prove is the leftists are losing, yet again, and by their comments, everyone can see it!
If there is no ANTIFA why is it called ANTIFA?
Um… very deep margot, very deep.
Not deep just pointed
We do not name things that do not exist
More importantly people do not name the organization’s they support or are part of if they do not exist
Margot, wondering if you can give us the headquarters address for Antifa? May an email or a phone number? The mangers name?
Here is one of their web sites!
https://rosecityantifa.org/
Everyone knows that organize crime syndicates only exist when they have publicly announced who their president is, has a website listing their board of directors, and publishes their address so the FBI knows where to find them.
Sure, Jan. You seem smart.
1-800-MAFIOSO
Communist criminal attempts to silence free speech and attempt to overthrow elected governments is a legitimate response to conservative orthodoxy.
Another example of university masters degree candidates in Lesbian Dance Theory proudly displaying the skills they learned in that program.
Where is Al quedas address and manager ?
You tell us that white supremacy is rampant
What is the white supremicst equivalent of antfa
What is there address who is their manager
If Antofagasta does not exist then you have nothing to complain about as the FBi kills it
Margot,
They even have a website!
https://rosecityantifa.org/
And the founders have been found hiding out in Sweden!
https://thepostmillennial.com/rose-city-antifa-co-founders-discovered-living-in-sweden-after-fleeing-portland
@UpstateFarmer – I refuse to engage the Blue Bananas and give them air. If I consumed an entire can of alphabet soup I’d poop more intelligent responses than they offer the blog. Their comments are meant to distract and disrupt the blog.
this is a branch of the worldwide communist party, it has morphed into many shapes hijacking legitimate protest movements i.e. civil rights anti war gay right etc. ; they are “community organizers” who professionally direct the movements to forward their agenda. Their agenda has never changed…..
Follow the money …
Antifa is no different than the Weather Underground. Same
Sure, Cletus, sure.
Wallt is a typical ignorant conservative. But anon, please expand on your comment.
I like the approach you suggest, proving existence by inference. A most mathematical approach this is, akin to working in the weak topology.
Maxim: “Beware of anarchists, like Antifa, winning. They know only destruction.”
Those quotes you presented, who is the source?
Let these two Fascist brownshirts suffer the consequences of their actions.
Yeah, kill em, let Melania Trump execute them. Publicly. Maybe in one of her drag getups.
The dems keep saying there is no Antifa, yet they also support their actions.
No they do not. prove it. You are a liar.
There are dozens of clips advocating for unrest, uprisings, violence.
So Americans protesting are antifia?
Red herring.
What’s the matter granny, cat got your tongue?
Look up the word violence that Granny used.
Dear little soy boy Antifa Sea Lion: protest does not include attempting murder by throwing Molotov Cocktails and rifle fire. But you knew that when you attempted your sea lioning.
Any particular reason you can’t figure out how to lawfully protest without assaulting people, property damage, murder, etc?
“So Americans protesting are antifia?”
Sealioning
Sealioning is a form of adolescent trolling where someone persistently demands answers to insincere questions to provoke a response, often pretending to seek a civil debate while actually trying to exhaust or frustrate others with no intention of real discourse. This behavior is characterized by a facade of politeness and a refusal to acknowledge previous answers. Often used as a tactic by Democrats in online forums and podcasts
Just take a look at Portland. The city leaders have told the police to back off.
“No they do not. prove it. You are a liar.”
One of your fellow Democrat pathalogical liars proved it for you. Remember the DEI Hire Border Czar? Because we do:
“They’re not going to stop, They’re not going to stop and everyone beware, because they’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop before Election Day in November and they’re not going to stop after Election Day. Everyone should take note of that on both levels. They’re not going to let up and they should not and we should not.
She even predicted you black clad Antifa terrorists wouldn’t stop after the 2020 election and said they and other Democrats should not stop being violent. And here you are doing the exact same thing today, including murder.
It’s about time. We can also indict Goldman, Nadler, Ellison, et. al. for “aiding and abetting” a terrorist organization.
What a false and delusional comment. Lawyer huh?
J. Turley is obviously a Trump’s AG candidate.
No, Turley is all about getting likes on social media accounts. Turley doesn’t have the background; he’s just a teacher, nothing more. No real world experience.
Not true. He has a long history of the practice of law working as a criminal defense attorney. He is not just an academic.
Prove it is not true?
“Prove it is not true?”
Sealioning
Sealioning is a form of adolescent trolling where someone persistently demands answers to insincere questions to provoke a response, often pretending to seek a civil debate while actually trying to exhaust or frustrate others with no intention of real discourse. This behavior is characterized by a facade of politeness and a refusal to acknowledge previous answers. Often used as a tactic by Democrats in online forums and podcasts
Mr. Anonymous, you are unbelievably stupid. I figure you’re a precocious 10th grader.
J. Turley is guilty of trolling you here to fall into a terminal Midol Moment.