“The Giant Sucking Sound”: The Exodus from California Continues for Taxpayers and Businesses

During the 1992 Presidential Debate, independent candidate Ross Perot famously warned that “there will be a giant sucking sound going south” due to the cheaper Mexican labor and lower regulatory demands on businesses. That sound is being heard again, but this time it is coming from California, which is virtually chasing taxpayers and companies out of the state with a massive state deficit, rising taxes, crippling regulations, and wasteful programs.

Recently, Gavin Newsom boasted, “California isn’t just keeping pace with the world — we’re setting the pace.” Recent data shows he is right. There is a record number of U-Hauls fleeing the state — more than any other state. Indeed, the only thing harder to find than a wealthy taxpayer in California appears to be a U-Haul.

According to U-Haul’s data, the state is again leading blue states in the exodus. The Washington Post noted this week that “California came in last. Massachusetts, New York, Illinois and New Jersey rounded out the bottom five. Of the bottom 10, seven voted blue in the last election.” Conversely, “nine of the top 10 growth states voted red in the last presidential election,” with Texas again leading the growth states.

The Post wrote that the conclusions are inescapable: “People want to live in pro-growth, low-tax states, while the biggest losers tend to be places with big governments and high taxes.”

What is most striking is how Democratic politicians and many voters are simply defying the data and logic. Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna, who represents part of Silicon Valley, recently mocked billionaires moving to escape a planned wealth tax. Some of us have criticized the tax as perfectly moronic for a state with the highest tax burden, soaring deficit, and shrinking tax base.

The “2026 Billionaires Tax Act” would impose a one-time 5% tax on individual wealth exceeding $1 billion. While technically using 2026 wealth figures, it would apply to billionaires who resided in California in 2025. So you cannot hope to flee… at least with your wealth intact. It is a penalty for those who stay too long hoping that rational minds would prevail in California.

Yet, Rep. Khanna mocked his own constituents planning to flee the state, quoting FDR in saying ‘I will miss them very much.”

Indeed, you will.  Democrats continue to act as if wealthy citizens are a type of captive audience. They are expected to be voluntary prey in a canned hunt for wealthy taxpayers. Many have chosen to take their money and businesses elsewhere.

As I discuss in my forthcoming book, Rage and the Republic: The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution, there is a common myth that the top five percent of this country do not “pay their fair share.” However, putting that debate aside, the question is whether it will produce more revenue than it costs the state in the long run. As these politicians campaign on clipping the “fat cats” who are not paying their fair share, many are likely to follow the exodus to lower tax states with greater fiscal discipline.

From New York to California, Democrats are pitching new programs from free buses to state-run stores to reparations as their tax bases contract. San Francisco recently approved the reparations plan that could give up to $5 million to qualified residents. The city faces a billion-dollar deficit, yet it continues to assume greater debt obligations.

Once again, denying basic economics will only lead to a rude awakening when these leaders, to quote Margaret Thatcher, “run out of other people’s money.”

402 thoughts on ““The Giant Sucking Sound”: The Exodus from California Continues for Taxpayers and Businesses”

  1. Poor Anonymous. The whole world is lying. Everyone knows that NBC news is just some right wing schill.
    NBC’s video analysis laid out the key facts in a surprisingly objective way. They said anyone could see just by watching: Agents confronted a vehicle blocking them. The driver knew law enforcement was present based on the emergency lights. An officer stood directly in front of the car before it accelerated. The agent made a split-second decision to fire as the vehicle moved forward.

    While there will obviously be an investigation, what we can say for sure at this point is that in all the videos circulating on social media showing the shooting from different angles, they all show the driver accelerating into the ICE agent before he fired his weapon.

  2. We seem to be witnessing a restructuring of our country, and I honestly don’t know if it’s good or bad, but Silicon Valley leaving California and Wall Street potentially leaving New York – interesting times, indeed. The blue hellholes are going to become literal ghettos if this continues. Then the REAL mass exodus will begin. I really think personally we need to keep our eyes on NYC. They are about to do something unprecedentedly stupid to it.

    1. James,
      Another reason so many companies, especially tech, are leaving CA is the AI/data center boom is happening in states with cheaper electricity. CA has to import energy from other states due to their insane “Green” regulations. Add in the costs of power going off line due to wildfires, even for a short amount of time could cost companies millions.

        1. How so, ATS? If you are running a data center, where do you run it? In a state with the highest electricity costs or the lowest? One does not need a college degree to see my profit margin will be higher in a lower electricity cost state than a higher one. Simple economics. Did you fail home-economics in high school?
          Here, check out where CA falls in the ranking of electricity costs, I will give you a hint, 49th, https://www.chooseenergy.com/electricity-rates-by-state/
          Once again, I bring facts to the table.
          You? Nothing.

  3. Under Spamburger and the other kleptocrats, Virginia will be the next state to depopulate. When a politician gives away freebies and says they will soak the rich, they actually means they will soak the middle and working classes.

  4. Anonymous is here today writing about poverty rates in red states.
    Earth to Anonymous
    In 2024, California’s poverty rate was around 17.7%, making it the highest in the nation, tied with Louisiana, affecting roughly 7 million people, with children, people of color, and renters being disproportionately impacted due to high housing costs. Different measures exist, but the Supplemental Poverty Measure (SPM) from the U.S. Census and analyses by the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) and California Budget & Policy Center confirm high rates, with millions struggling to afford basic needs. She could have looked it up before she squealed in outrage but she didn’t.
    https://scdd.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2019/03/Exhbit-A-SCDD-California-Poverty-Levels-by-County.pdf. Anonymous has earned her BS in cherry picking.

    1. ATS seems to have particular hatred for people who are not wealthy. ATS claims they are the ones leaving California, and not the rich, in spite of hundreds of news stories making the very rational claim that wealth people who are targeted by a new tax are seeking a more favorable tax environment in red states (and of course ATS posts no evidence to contradict that).

      ATS denigrates the economically lower class people with insults such as “trumptard” and “redneck.” In ATS’s elite world, anyone who is not wealthy is an idiot and deserves to suffer. So in a state that has been so poorly run that only the wealthy can even afford to stay, ATS writes with glee that the financially less-well-off are the ones being forced out. This gives her pleasure.

      1. OldManFromKS,
        ATS is, well, ATS. Makes dumb claims as if the claims are facts, like the only people leaving CA are the “trumptard” and “redneck” comment. I even linked real facts coming from the California’s Legislative Analyst’s Office, who reported,
        “Foregone revenue increased more (three-fold) than net domestic outmigration of people (two-fold) because, prior to the pandemic, outmigration was concentrated among lower-income households,” continued the LAO. “Since then, more middle- and higher-income households have moved to other states, meaning the effect on state revenue has been greater because these tax filers tend to make larger income tax payments.”
        https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/california-says-it-lost-2-billion-state-income-taxes-earners-leaving

        Oh, yeah! All them “more middle- and higher-income households have moved to other states,” are just low brow, low income “trumptard” and “redneck”.
        ATS also has a great hatred for people who put food on his plate.
        You are welcome, ATS!!!

  5. Anonymous wrote earlier that it’s not the big wigs who are renting the U-Hauls. She’s correct. What she mention that it’s the people who work for the big wigs who are moving? I know. Putting two and two is hard for Anonymous. Math is just not her one of her strengths. It’s all in her jeans.

    1. The people who work for the bigwigs? To repeat, the people who work for the big wigs.
      And stupidity is obviously your. And not the first time.

    2. TiT,
      Well, if I owned a big company, was moving it to a better location, yes, I would take key employees with me. Even give them a relocation bonus.

      1. You sure are stupid. Since you’re a pig farmer with no real world experience, you can’t possibly understand the complexity of a corporates move.

        1. Actually the stupid one it you, ATS. I have had several careers over the years before becoming a farmer. During my time in the Marines, I was involved in the planning and logistics of moving a battalion from the US to SK and back. Also involved in a exercise of moving a corps. I was also a platoon SGT.
          There are parts of farming and of corporations that are similar and there are differences. But the baseline economics are the same.
          If I am so stupid, how did I finish the year up 18% in the stock market and the value of my PMs have nearly tripled?

  6. Do they really think this will always apply to billionaires, and never to millionaires? Do the Californians who will vote for this “Billionaire’s Tax” not realize that after the wealthy leave California, those of them that remain will be the ones responsible for paying the state’s taxes, especially when retroactive and exit taxes are found unconstitutional? Is California really populated by a majority of useful idiots?

  7. Here is a fascinating excerpt from a U.S. Customs and Border Protection – Use of Force Review.
    ICE became aware that officers were intentionally placing themselves at the front of vehicles to justify firing their weapons at drivers. They told officers to stop doing this and issued new guidelines requiring them to get out of the way of fleeing vehicles.

    “The cases suggest that some of the shots at suspect vehicles are taken out of frustration
    when agents who are on foot have no other way of detaining suspects who are fleeing in a
    vehicle.
    Most reviewed cases involved non-violent suspects who posed no threat other than a
    moving vehicle.
    There is little doubt that the safest course for an agent faced with an oncoming vehicle is
    to get out of the way of the vehicle.”

    https://www.policeforum.org/assets/PERFCBPUOF.pdf
    (See page 8)

    Shooting at Vehicles
    Fifteen cases were reviewed where shots were fired at or into vehicles by CBP agents.

    Observations:
    Based on a review of the submitted cases, it appears that CBP practice allows shooting at
    the driver of any suspect vehicle that comes in the direction of agents. It is suspected that
    in many vehicle shooting cases, the subject driver was attempting to flee from the agents
    who intentionally put themselves into the exit path of the vehicle, thereby exposing
    themselves to additional risk and creating justification for the use of deadly force. In most
    of these cases, the agents have stated that they were shooting at the driver of a vehicle
    that was coming at them and posing an imminent threat to their life. In some cases,
    passengers were struck by agents’ gunfire. Little focus has been placed on defensive
    tactics that could have been used by shooting agents such as getting out of the way. It
    should be recognized that a ½ ounce (200 grain) bullet is unlikely to stop a 4,000 pound
    moving vehicle, and if the driver of the approaching vehicle is disabled by a bullet, the
    vehicle will become a totally unguided threat. Obviously, shooting at a moving vehicle
    can pose a risk to bystanders including other agents.
    The cases suggest that some of the shots at suspect vehicles are taken out of frustration
    when agents who are on foot have no other way of detaining suspects who are fleeing in a
    vehicle.
    Most reviewed cases involved non-violent suspects who posed no threat other than a
    moving vehicle.
    There is little doubt that the safest course for an agent faced with an oncoming vehicle is
    to get out of the way of the vehicle.

    1. NBC News Analysis Of ICE Shooting Video Opens Door To Self-Defense
      https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nbc-news-analysis-ice-shooting-video-vindicates-ice-agent

      “It doesn’t matter whether that driver subjectively was not trying to hit the officer,’ Swearer added.

      “It matters what the officer can reasonably perceive. He can’t read her mind. He just knows that you have someone who’s ignoring lawful commands, who is moving the car toward him. That is deadly force.”

      She compared it to a cop being confronted by a suspect who is reaching for a gun in his waistband while being asked to keep his hands up.

      “They don’t have to wait until they’re actually being shot or actually being run over to respond,” she said.

      https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nbc-news-analysis-ice-shooting-video-vindicates-ice-agent

      1. The point here is not whether the officer reasonably perceived a threat.

        He was standing in front of the vehicle.
        In the report cited above, ICE notes that some officers have been DELIBERATELY standing in front of vehicles in order to create a justification for the use of deadly force. Because of this they require officers to NEVER stand in front or behind a vehicle with a driver, and that has the engine running. In fact, all police officers are trained that they should NEVER do this.

        The point here is that the officer was standing in front of the vehicle in violation of ICE policy and training.

        1. . Well, anon, since the forensics aren’t in presumably the officer was walking passed the area and stopped. A different angle shows nervous agents around the vehicle.

          You’re speculating but yes, agents wouldn’t position themselves as such but may stop and look. One agent slipped on the road ice. You caught that?

          Her vehicle was bottlenecking half the road. Why was her friend video out by the side of the road?

        2. In the report cited above, ICE notes that some officers have been DELIBERATELY standing in front of vehicles in order to create a justification for the use of deadly force.

          Can you justify why you didn’t tell people this “review” WASN’T conducted by USCBP – but instead by a bunch of 30’ish young civilians in a self-selecting organization called PERF? Not one of whom claims a single day wearing a badge in law enforcement? But instead, have university degrees in sociology, urban studies, public policy, etc as a substitute for policing experience.

          Can you justify also hiding the fact that that this review by self-selecting citizens in “PERF” was done almost 15 years ago? While Obama was calling police “systemically racist” and enabling violence towards police?

          And in your diligent search for that study (you didn’t copy and paste that from some other source, right?) did you find a SINGLE “review” relating to the four years of enormous rates of violence towards police during Trump’s first presidency?

          No, that wasn’t what you were looking for. Which is okay – this group didn’t find anything in those four years, and especially during The Election Season Mostly Peaceful Rioting, Pillaging, Looting Burning And Murder worth doing a review of. You know “to improve policing”

          The point is that you’re an online advocate for violence by criminal protestors who are obstructing law enforcement in order to protect Democrats’ criminal Illegal Aliens.

          Their mission statement:

          “The Police Executive Research Forum (PERF) is an independent research organization that focuses on critical issues in policing. PERF identifies best practices on fundamental issues such as reducing police use of force; developing community policing and problem-oriented policing; using technologies to deliver police services to the community; and evaluating crime reduction strategies.

          PERF strives to advance professionalism in policing and to improve the delivery of police services through the exercise of strong national leadership; public debate of police and criminal justice issues; and research and policy development.”

          Who better to present the situation than Obama style “this is what any remaining law enforcement that isn’t defunded should look like” organizations like PERF.

      2. Exactly what I learned in a self defense class. When she backed up the threat was not imminent however when she changed direction it became imminent. To wait is to become the victim.

        1. longgreyhair say: Exactly what I learned in a self defense class.

          What specific ‘self defense class’ were you in that was teaching you how to approach a stopped vehicle to arrest a driver continuing the offense of obstructing law enforcement? Did you ever use that training in at least one instance of approaching a vehicle driven by a criminal offender to make such an arrest?

          Surely you aren’t a Civilian Monday Morning Cop?

          There have been over 100 similar assaults on officers carrying out their DUTY to arrest criminal Illegal Aliens in the last year alone.

          Were those 100+ officers all doing it wrong because they weren’t doing it your way? Or did they happen because Democrats have encouraged, cheered, and defended using 2,000+ lb. vehicles to hit officers in the process of doing law enforcement?

          BTW… the government just released the body cam footage of the officer who was hit and fired the shots. Give us your law enforcement analysis again after watching that.

    2. . This is off topic and I disagree with part of what you’ve said and agree with the main point. LEOs of any kind should not stand in front of suspect vehicles. This should be a general process order. Pulling a leo vehicle in front of and behind suspect is another matter.

      The high speed chases were also left aside as it endangered others. Patrols use networks instead and pick up suspects at various junctions. No knock warrants are unheard of also.

      1. LEOs of any kind should not stand in front of suspect vehicles. This should be a general process order.

        Proclamations attempted in hope they will be accepted as fact are just that: opinions from those who have never actually done law enforcement.

        BTW… the body cam video of both the assault and the shooting is now out for viewing. Fit that video in with your insinuation the officer who was assaulted was standing directly at the front of the car.

      2. Yes in most instances that is correct and I agree with you. In this situation however she was at an angle in the street blocking them from movement. Several times I read. Therefore they could not put cars in front. They must have had a car behind or she could have continued backing up.

    3. Ooohhhh… here’s where they lead with a lie – while ignoring there have been over 100 incidents of criminals attempting to wound or kill USCBP officers in the last year. As Dr. Sowell repeatedly warns: Never trust anybody who wants to tell you A story – rather than the COMPLETE story.

      Here is a fascinating excerpt from a U.S. Customs and Border Protection – Use of Force Review.

      WHAT’S FASCINATING IS THAT THIS ORGANIZATION – CIVILIANS WHO AREN’T USCBP – HAS YET TO DO A SINGLE “REVIEW” OF THE FOUR YEARS OF DEMOCRAT ENABLED VIOLENCE TOWARDS LAW ENFORCEMENT DURING TRUMP’S FIRST TERM IN OFFICE. Any particular reason this poster hoped we wouldn’t notice either of those facts.

      This wasn’t conducted by USCBP… aside from the fact this “review” was conducted FIFTEEN YEARS AGO.
      So who is this: policeforum.org? Badge carrying police? Hell no! They were 2013’s advocates for Obama compliant law enforcement. Look at the profiles of their “researchers”, and you won’t find a single one who spent a day wearing a badge and (hopeful) body armor. A collection of 30-ish aged people with degrees in sociology, public policy, gender defenders, etc and so forth. Not even a single one who claims some sort of military service.

      Their mission statement:

      “The Police Executive Research Forum (PERF) is an independent research organization that focuses on critical issues in policing. PERF identifies best practices on fundamental issues such as reducing police use of force; developing community policing and problem-oriented policing; using technologies to deliver police services to the community; and evaluating crime reduction strategies.

      PERF strives to advance professionalism in policing and to improve the delivery of police services through the exercise of strong national leadership; public debate of police and criminal justice issues; and research and policy development.”

      Who better to present the situation than Obama style “this is what any remaining law enforcement that isn’t defunded should look like” organizations like PERF.

    4. ICE Captain: Mr. Kramer, just about every week some brash young hothead like yourself saunters in here talking about better ways to avoid getting run over by unhinged leftists or better ways to not hurt their feelings over ‘laws’ and ‘public decoum’, well, fact is we feel things are fine the way they are.

  8. As I expected, the libs here won’t post Calif dept. So I will
    ________________________________
    Powerful Views of California Public Debt
    State and local government entities in California have issued more than $2 trillion in debt

    California’s public pension plans are taking on more risk than other pension systems while generating relatively poor investment return results, a new Reason Foundation report finds. The California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CalPERS) and California State Teachers’ Retirement System (CalSTRS) are the nation’s two largest government-run pension funds, overseeing $558 billion and $382 billion in assets, respectively.

    Which I’m part of as a retired fire fighter.

    1. Retired firefighter? LOL. You suck off the public teat your whole life making a ton of money and get a generous retirement package.

      1. Being a fire fighter isn’t sucking of the public teat, you fool. Living in a rent controlled apt like Mamdani while making $142,000 a year and having very wealthy parents is.

        1. Hullbobby, good point. ATS is a mentally ill troll who comes here to take a sh*t all over the place with hateful lies and slanders and make the whole comment section stink. She is her own worst punishment. Imagine having to live with a diseased soul like that and having no escape, and then be thankful you’re not her.

          1. “mentally ill troll”. Now look at that, a smelly geriatric in diapers spewing hate. Its all they do here.

            1. ^^^^ these are the images and the usage of free speech chosen by anon. When will you refer to your scrotum, anon? It speaks of your character.

        2. Firefighters are over paid with public tax dollars. And their retirement packages are bankrupting cities and counties. The only reason you call the commenter a fool is to protect yourself from admitting your hypocrisy.

        3. What does living in a NYC rent controlled apt and a “retarded” firefighter have in common. Absolutely nothing. Folks, he’s thinks he’s an intellectual.

        4. BULL HOBBY

          Firemen work exponentially less than Madmani!

          Hanging out in the station and sleeping a third of each workday, while fighting maybe an average of 4 – 6 fires per year, with 3-day weekends every week and second homes on the river or lake.

          The line of applicants for one fireman opening is a mile long – so pay them less and lessen the attraction – make the line of applicants a half mile long.

          Privatization is imperative.

      2. Just to clarify, he’s a retarded fire fighter with two “collage” degrees. Can’t make this stuff up folks.

      3. Have you ever run into a burning building, Have you ever responded to a victim of an accident where people were mangled. I have, not as a paid but as a volunteer firefighter. Don’ trash a firefighter or law enforcement officer unless you have been there.

        1. longgreyhair,
          Hear! Hear!
          I was a volunteer firefighter and EMS. They earn their pay and retirements. ATS has nothing else so ATS has to resort to childish insults and throwing tantrums.

    2. Sorry to hear that. Should’of moved to Costa Rica with your Buddies. Back in the early 79-80’s it was THE SPOT for Cal fire fighters.
      Back in the day two Cal fire fighters owned a long row-house with rooms for rent (a basically a long shack), with a nice little tico restaurant close by. (the lady that cooked there made an unforgettable Mango-Chicken Plata). Mostly for Surfers and Rain Forest backpackers.
      https://www.google.com/maps/place/9°23'44.8“N+84°09’01.2″W/@9.3948339,-84.1495525,1064m/data=!3m

      It’s been built up since then but You can still enjoy the area:
      https://www.posadanatura.org/firefighter-retreat

  9. Billionaire Google co-founder Larry Page is leaving California in light of the recently passed wealth tax. Perhaps he counts as a “redneck hillbilly trumptard” that ATS-George-Svelaz-Gigi referred to below.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/01/07/google-co-founder-leaves-california-amid-wealth-tax/

    This is okay. States are “laboratories of democracy” in the words of Scotus Justice Louis Brandeis. Part of doing experiments is seeing which ones fail and learning from that. This will be an object less to the other 49 states, some of which will learn from it, and some of which won’t. But the freedom to travel means those that learn are better positioned to attract wealth than those that don’t.

    1. Page is not “leaving” California. He’s moving a shell company to incorporate in Nevada.

      oldmanfromkansas: “I’m gonna google it and post the first thing I see.”

      During the pandemic Page got New Zealand residency. He spends most of his time outside of the US so he claim non-resident status for state tax purposes. Since about 2020 he spends no more than 183 days a year in any state in the US to avoid becoming a taxable resident.

      The story you cite is about changing the state of incorporation. You got it wrong… again.

    2. OldManFromKS,
      It is not just the “redneck hillbilly trumptard” Larry Page.
      “In the last probably month or so, I’ve had multiple billionaires from California come to see several different listings that I have,” Devin Kay, of Douglas Elliman, told The Post. “So there’s definitely a huge wave of them, it appears they are either buying properties in Miami or in the market to buy properties, and will once they find something here shortly.”
      WhatsApp founder Jan Koum
      Netflix founder Reed Hastings
      Google co-founder Sergey Brin
      “Bloomberg News has reported that at least six billionaires have already severed California residency ties, with dozens more weighing similar moves.”
      https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/real-estate/tech-titans-leaving-california-for-florida-over-billionaire-tax/

      1. Yet again, you utterly fail to reposed to the point at hand. You are wrong that Page is leaving California. You just can’t bring your MAGAtard brain to acknowledge your citation is wrong and present a reasoned response. As the Epstein files come out, I predict when Trump gets nailed for aiding and abetting a pedophile ring, which is looking likely, you’ll start defending pedophilia.

        1. “In December, Page, 52, quietly snapped up roughly $173 million of waterfront real estate in affluent Coconut Grove, purchasing one estate for just over $100 million and another nearby property for about $72 million, according to the Wall Street Journal.”
          https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/real-estate/tech-titans-leaving-california-for-florida-over-billionaire-tax/

          And the WSJ article, https://www.wsj.com/real-estate/luxury-homes/google-co-founder-larry-page-spends-173-4-million-on-two-miami-homes-3553e880?mod=real-estate_lead_story

          1. Double down. Will be interesting when Trump gets formally implicated in the Epstein operation. My guess is you’ll either blame the underage girls for not resisting or you’ll defend pedophilia.

            1. Oh!! Poor, poor annony moron! I prove him wrong with facts and all he has is to deflect.
              Sure, let us see the files. What? More pictures of Bill Clinton getting all friendly with young girls?
              Until they get released, I dont really care.

            2. Double down. Will be interesting when Trump gets formally implicated in the Epstein operation.

              Predictable that you grasped for “the Epstein operation” after you could no longer run with the fictional and felonious “Trump-Russia Dossier”.

              After Democrats today can’t find anything implicating Trump (instead of numerous Democrats) that Biden and his puppeteers missed in the previous four years – what do you plan on moving on to next?

            3. yes! hold onto that hope. do not let it go! You’ll show THEM you’re NOT a raving TDS psychopath!
              Failure to comprehend reality is one of the first signs of mental illness.

          1. Just remember, every time you go to the grocery store, the food in your cart, the food in your fridge, the food in your freezer and the food on your plate, me or someone like me put it there. If it was not for me, you and your family would of starved to death by now. 🙂

      2. Upstate – thanks. There are hundreds of stories all over the internet that all say Page is leaving California. But Anonymous the Stupid (ATS) knows better so we should listen to ATS and ignore the hundreds of news stories. How do we know ATS knows better? He says so. Does he post a link? No, we are expected to just trust him because, after all, he knows everything.

        1. OldManFromKS,
          Right! That is why I try to list/link to actual facts rather than just declare something like ATS does. That is how and why you and I and others have credibility and ATS does not.

              1. The facts are, that buying property in Florida is meaningless.
                Larry Page has not lived in California for years.
                He has been moving his businesses out of California, not his residence.
                Buying property in Florida is just adding to his vast residential empire.

                He owns properties all over the world and lives as a virtual recluse moving frequently with minimal contact with the rest of the world.
                In 2020 he bought the island of Tavarua in Fiji and moved his entire family there to live in isolation during COVID. He also has permanent resident status in New Zealand, where he owns a private compound on Waiheke Island.
                He also owns Cayo Norte, a private island off Puerto Rico, Eustatia Island, a private island in British Virgin Islands, and the Lollik Islands, consisting of two private islands in U.S. Virgin Islands.

                1. While you focus on Larry Page, the rest of us noted that there have been 6 billionaires whom have left CA. And there are more whom are looking to leave. We shall see when Larry files his taxes where he claims his residence is. Will he claim somewhere his taxes are higher? Or lower? Larry got to where he is by making smart decisions. One does not need a college degree to make smart decisions.

  10. Don’t dismiss my comment as racist. It is not. But let’s face some facts here about California:
    Opinion: Newsom’s charming personality and undying support for minorities is for survival, not affinity. -Especially as he prepares for his expected presidential run.
    Fact:
    California has the largest population of undocumented immigrants in the United States.
    “Undocumented Immigrants Keep California Running,” said California’s Lt. Gov.
    “What’s at Risk Without Undocumented Workers:
    $275 billion in economic output
    $23 billion in annual tax revenue
    Thousands of workers in critical industries like agriculture, construction, and hospitality.
    (can only provide two links, so look up “new report lt governor kounalakis highlights immigrants vital role in californias economy”
    dated 6/25/2025)

    More than half of Hispanics/Latinos are dependent on state assistance (see, e.g., CalFresh -California’s version of the federal Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). CalFresh enrollment: https://www.datawrapper.de/_/Us0CM/
    https://lacooperativa.org/31-california-farmworker-facts-you-should-know/
    AND More than 75% of the state’s agricultural workforce is undocumented…78% of then lack even a high school education.

    Earlier today, an Anonymous commenter said, “Whoopee!,” (disclaiming California’s emigration and touting some population growth from the year before).- What Anonymous forgot to mention was that the population growth was due to Hispanic and Asian immigration. According to census.gov, the 2024 Hispanic/Latino population of California was 40.8% and growing; non-Hispanic White population was 33%.

    Not only does California and Newsom have to pay the pipers for the economic dependency the state created, but they also must keep paying the paupers. The pipers are leaving; the paupers are staying.

    (apologies for length of comment.)

    1. Lin,
      Great comment. As mentioned in one of the articles I commented in, the out flow of tax filers to other states is costing CA some $2B in tax revenue, those incoming are of much lower tax brackets or non-filers at all, i.e. illegals.

    2. You know it’s bad when even the “Undocumented Immigrants (that) Keep California Running,” are leaving.

    3. Lin, immigrants get REALLY pissed when people demand that Illegal Aliens be referred to as immigrants as well. These criminals are the opposite of actual immigrants.

      1. yeah, that’s why linn repeatedly referred to “undocumented immigrants,” did you catch that distinction?

  11. “The Giant Sucking Sound”

    To paraphrase Bart Simpson, I didn’t think it was anatomically possible, but the Democrat Party both sux and blows.

  12. Citing U-Haul data only shows that the hillbillies, rednecks and Trumptards are leaving. Affluent people and businesses do not move their lives or headquarters in a rented U-Haul. While U-Haul shows California at number 50 for the sixth year in a row, official 2025 census data shows California’s population actually grew by about 0.05%.

    There is no collapse. In fact, a number of businesses which moved out moved back. Tesla is a great example. Musk made a great MAGAtard stink about how much he hated California and was glad to move to operations to Texas only to find too many ig’n’ant workers there and had to quietly move engineering and Grok back to California.

    Nice try Jonathan. Try again.

    1. Facts. I’m pretty sure trump is trying to ban that word for the lexicon of modern society. Seems to be working the MAGMA crowd. Make America Get Measles Again.

      1. @Anonymous

        I’m pretty sure you get a list of talking points and if you had an original thought your head would explode. You are on about the same level as a telemarketer in India.

              1. You only say that as I post facts with links to back them up, thereby making your comments worthless.

          1. Here, I’ll give you some content. And five pinocchios. No checkmate, no cigar.

            Musk is NOT moving back to California. His biggest Tesla and SpaceX operations remain firmly footed in Texas terra cotta. He just won his appeal for his $56billion Tesla pay package. He is EXPANDING his wealth with new ventures in Neuralink and G AI, renting office space in a heavily-Asian population area of California. Another smart move.
            thanks anyway.

          2. Ok, here’s something on content. You comment is stupid. The measles vaccine is and continues to be recommended/required. Measles cases come from unvetted illegal immigrants. See Biden administration.

    2. @Anonymous

      If only. The state is a mess, the whole damn thing. Outside of the Central Valley, there are no ‘hillbillies’ in California to speak of, and the people in CV are farmers and oil workers, they ain’t going anywhere. Additionally, the number of people migrating to the Central Valley *from other parts of California* due to the madness and cost of living is quite high. You try again.

    3. “California’s population actually grew . . .”

      Not the issue. The issue is CA’s long-term trend of *negative* net migration.

      But nice deflection.

    4. Wrong.
      California’s proposed billionaire tax has Silicon Valley titans fleeing for Florida — where they’re on the prowl for grand homes
      “Sources tell The Post tech founders from major companies like Netflix, WhatsApp and the payment system Stripe are among the latest looking to flee the Golden State for Florida in recent months.”
      https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/real-estate/tech-titans-leaving-california-for-florida-over-billionaire-tax/

      California says it lost $2 billion in state income taxes from earners leaving
      “Foregone revenue increased more (three-fold) than net domestic outmigration of people (two-fold) because, prior to the pandemic, outmigration was concentrated among lower-income households,” continued the LAO. “Since then, more middle- and higher-income households have moved to other states, meaning the effect on state revenue has been greater because these tax filers tend to make larger income tax payments.”
      https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/california-says-it-lost-2-billion-state-income-taxes-earners-leaving

  13. . Targetted taxes? Newsom and State legislators have passed a law to rob a targetted group? Question: How will the confiscated money aka loot be used? 5% and why not 10% or 100%? Too obviously theft and robbery?

    Isn’t this again a warning by Jesus Christ of what to expect in hell- don’t store up money and goods because you don’t know who will get it aka rob you?

    These are non-judeochristian people doing this. This is a sociological condition of foreign origin. It carries with it the most primitive form of justice as unintelligent physical harm. If you insult someone they’ll break your legs or they’ll kill you.

    You’ll see it in NYC as Manhattan and Queens will have the buildings demolished for bricks and stone and taken into the Bronx for building. The sociology/anthropology of Uganda has entered.

    The ten imperatives held in judeo-christian applications are sociological. Too funny…

    1. The warning of Jesus Christ:

      When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

      Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

      Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

      The King will reply, ‘whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me..’ “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

      “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’“

      THEN THEY WILL GO AWAY TO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, but the righteous to eternal life.” – Matthew 25:31-46

  14. ” … massive state deficit, rising taxes, crippling regulations, and wasteful programs.”

    These are the defining characteristics of the modern Democrat agenda.

  15. Yeah, they’re leaving California and going to other states to ruin them. I live in Texas which is being taken over by Californians as is my native Tennessee. Stay in California! They’re like the Indians who left India to come here to take over the country and make it in their own image.

    1. Be thankful that Indians are moving in. They have money and they value education unlike the meth head Billy Bobs which live in your state.

      Tennessee starts the year with 14% of its residents living in poverty. That’s nearly 1 million people. About 20% (nearly 1 in 5) of Tennessee children live in poverty. Counties like Lake and Hancock have poverty rates as high as 32%. Almost half of Tennessee residents earn above the poverty line but not enough to afford basic necessities.

      Yeah pal, you live in a paradise. Hear that sucking sound? That’s California’s federal tax contributions keeping all those Tennessee trailer parks afloat.

  16. Jonathan Ross – Remember that name – Jonathan Ross

    A possible cold blooded murderer masquerading as an ICE agent.

    1. I think I’ll just believe my eyes and the multiple videos. Yes, I know brain dead liberals hate it when we believe our lying eyes. Or worse, utilize common sense or critical thinking.

      But in this one instance, I think the videos are crystal clear and only reinforced by everything surrounding it.

      1. He was standing still when he raised his arms and shot the gun. His feet did not move as the car kept moving and clearly missed him. How could he be in danger of being run over if he is standing still and the car misses him?

  17. Gavin Newsom is to California what Yoko Ono was to the Beatles; two incredibly productive, universally-admired enterprises undone by the corrosive influence of persons gifted only with pretentiousness.

  18. The U-Haul statistics might be telling a different story. People of means hire a moving company, they don’t rent trailers. Real estate prices everywhere have escalated dramatically, and California is one of the most expensive of all. As long as that ocean and climate exist, it is a destination for people of means. Those with less means have to rent a U-Haul and move on to where the living and rent is cheaper. Perhaps Mr. Turley is taking a back door, early shot at Newsom for Fox and the Post.

    1. Outside of your last sentence, the rest of your statement is a possibility. Although public comments by the very wealthy do seem to support what UHaul is reporting. But we shall see. Certainly the last 2 sets of census data certainly support the California exodus. And that’s not happening exclusively with UHauls…

      1. I assume that you’re discounting J. Turley having any political motivation for this posting. I’m a new reader, but realize that his posts align with the administration, as does the publications where they appear.

        1. Because he is slowly realizing that what was once his party has been taken over by Socialists who want to steal all of our money.

        2. Professor Turley is a lifelong liberal Chicago Democrat. What does that tell you about the current “Democrats”? Fox News (and now NewsMaX) is the only major TV News outlet to welcome the Professor’s commentaries and input/opinions.
          John Kennedy would not be allowed in today’s Democrat Party, in my opinion.

          1. “John Kennedy would not be allowed in today’s Democrat Party, in my opinion.”

            Today, they might have shot him. Maybe the fringe Democrat ancestors were the culprit of Kennedy’s assassination.

        3. Nope.
          The good professor has been calling out how the far leftists have taken over the Democrat party primarily with their calls for censorship and secondary embracing socialism. The professor is a long time Democrat, so is his family but like many sane, normal, moderate and traditional Democrats, they want their party back and get the far leftists out.

        4. Turley was always left of center and admitted it. His interest is civil rights, predominantly the right to speak freely. He was liked by the left until he defended free speech, and the fascist left decided to censor, even violently.

        5. michael molovinsky says: I assume that you’re discounting J. Turley having any political motivation for this posting.

          I assume you think you can convincingly cosplay as a conservative Second Amendment defender.

          Even after writing on your failed blog that Hillary Clinton’s promise to confiscate what Democrats prefer to call ‘assault weapons’ is “pragmatic gun control that honors the Second Amendment.”

          You and X/Anonymous/George/Svelez going to fight it out for who smears their host here the most?

    2. Trump recognized that the dumb and illiterate can be brought together to form a voting block. It’s something Murdoch capitalized on to sell news, appeal to people who are so stupid, that despite all the heat and smoke around Trump regarding f**king underage girls, they say Trump wasn’t involved. Why? Cuz Trump said so. No evidence, one way or the other, needed. Trump has got a coalition of about 30 million of these morons. They’re a formidable base. Brain power of gnats… but gnats who get to vote.

  19. If the FBI let’s the ICE shooting case through, almost certain not to happen, they’ll do an epstein squash on it, the thing that puts the killer in jail is the tape of his footwork…

    Proves beyond doubt he knew the car was clearing him.

      1. Actually Ross was in the wrong place.

        Footage shows his tactics were awful. He should’ve approached passenger side window, he was right there, before he circled in front of the car.

        He was overly aggressive, didn’t identify himself, made the decision to shoot first. He couldn’t even clear round one of an internal police investigation. FBI is going to have to protect a tactically flawed shooter In this one if they want to make it disappear.

        1. Wrong.
          She was a member of ICE Watch, a leftist group who’s purpose is to disrupt ICE operations. She was the lead of a protest caravan, and based on a interview with a witness, she was, “She was very effective in stopping traffic. She was doing exactly what she set out to do.”
          Funny thing is the witness almost says she was doing her job.
          So, Good knew exactly who these people were, and her intent was to obstruct or impede them from their lawful duties.
          And the “which way the tires were going” argument, if he was in front of the vehicle, how could he see what direction the tires were in? He would of been focusing on her.
          I had to scrap snow and ice off my vehicle this morning. Standing in front of the vehicle, I cannot see the tires.

          https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/us-news/renee-nicole-good-was-minneapolis-ice-watch-warrior-who-trained-to-resist-feds-before-shooting/?utm_social_post_id=646450929&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_social_handle_id=17469289

        2. Footage shows his tactics were awful. He should’ve approached passenger side window, he was right there, before he circled in front of the car.

          Just released footage shows she was shot while looking straight at the officer’s face who was standing at her left front wheel as she sharply turned toward him and hit the gas to assault that officer. Now show everybody a few moments of all your bodycam video where you’re approaching drivers you were about to arrest from first the passenger side window.

          You WERE a law enforcement officer at a time when police were taught to approach the passenger window – rather than a Democrat Keyboard Commando Cop – weren’t you?

      2. Human nervous systems do one of two things when a car is headed directly for them….they jump out of the way, or they freeze in place, deer in headlights style.

        A murderer who knows a car is going to clear him shoots a woman in the face amidst her kid’s stuffed animals.

        1. You lie. Most of time people don’t react fast enough to get away. She should have never tried to flee. She was under arrest.

            1. Truth hurts, Bubba. Suck on it.

              He couldn’t begin to develop the expertise you’ve developed with your Furry Tranny friend who still has The Right Stuff dangling where it matters – even if he wanted to, Karen.

          1. She wasn’t under arrest. If anything she was in the process of being illegally abducted by people who don’t have the authority make traffic stops.

            1. If anything she was in the process of being illegally abducted by people who don’t have the authority make traffic stops.

              18 U.S. Code § 1501: obstruction or assault of a federal officer. No mention of exemptions from that felony if a person’s actions are defending against “abduction” or “kidnapping”

              “abducted”… brought to you by the same Democrat Communist Useless Idiots (including this criminal woman’s group of “Icewatch”) that claim it’s “kidnapping” to arrest and deport MS-13 gang members convicted of child rape and other violent crimes.

              Just keep running with that. Don’t change a single thing!

              BTW… “obstructing federal law enforcement” is a federal crime. Not a city traffic offense.

        2. Democrats who celebrated a murdering police officer who shot a defenseless unarmed woman half his size at point blank range the day before, now call the cop who shot a woman driving a 2000+ lb. directly at him in attempts to murder him “a murderer”.

          Communist intersectionality:

          One day police are heroes when a woman is killed. One day later, a police officer doing that is a murderer.

        3. Jump? With your reasoning you would be flattened. Proof it’s not in your DNA, Otherwise How did your ancestors get lucky enough to avoid foolish deaths? Nurture not nature, fortunately. You must have been environmentally exposed to stupidity.

    1. Proves beyond doubt he knew the car was clearing him.

      Inconvenient that that the government just released that tape of his footwork after she tried to kill him.

      Lying Democrats, first excitedly encouraging and now defending their on-scene Democrat criminals trying to murder ICE officers in order to defend their favorite criminal Illegal Aliens, never considered that the federal government would release the assaulted officer’s bodycam to clear him.

  20. I am stuck in California for four more years and hate it. Have been researching where to flee the moment I can. I am counting the months and days.

      1. Clever. Too bad we need only look at the people elected in California to realize that anyone smart enough to leave would decrease the collective IQ (cough Kamala. cough Newsome, cough Weiner, cough pencil neck, cough Fang Fang’s boyfriend)

      2. @Anonymous

        Not with California schools being what they are, it won’t, it’ll be the opposite. If I thought you actually believed your venom and were not being paid for it, I’d think you were delusional, but you are just paid, you don’t particularly care yourself. See how those Soros bucks work for you 20 years down the line.

    1. Lemme guess, you’re a freshman at Fresberg discovering after one semester that you’re on the five-year plan.

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