“Today I am the most famous and talked-about person in the country.” Those words from the diary of Dr. Anthony Fauci will certainly be true today as the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs moves forward with holding him in contempt for refusing to answer over a hundred questions about his past conduct and statements as the former head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
The contempt vote will start a process that is fraught with political and legal challenges. Even putting aside the objections to the direct referral from the Committee to the Justice Department (rather than submit the matter to a full Senate vote), there remain serious questions about whether Fauci can be held in contempt after invoking his right to remain silent under the Fifth Amendment. As I have previously stated, this area is rather murky and Fauci likely has the advantage in any litigation.
At the outset, it is important to note that Fauci always faced a risk of perjury in his prior appearances. Even if immunized, a witness can always be prosecuted for false statements. Fauci is in a much stronger position today than he was in prior hearings due to the sweeping pardon he received from former President Joe Biden. Yet, he suddenly decided to remain silent when his own words came back to contradict him.
Now for the legal questions.
If a witness is immunized, they can be compelled to testify. If, for example, the Senate granted Fauci immunity, there would be little question about his answering these questions as well as the ability to charge him for any false statements.
The Senate Committee is arguing that the Biden pardon had the same impact. Since Fauci cannot be prosecuted for any acts during the extended period of the pardon (going back to 2014 when the government allegedly funded “gain-of-function research). Chairman Rand Paul did an excellent job in putting this issue into sharp relief in his final set of questions by framing his inquiry as confined to the period of his pardon.
The argument is credible and, for many, compelling: since Fauci cannot be prosecuted for any conduct during the pardon period, he has no legal exposure so long as he speaks truthfully.
For Fauci, that is a question that could be highly subjective. He referred to the risk of a “perjury trap” in his opening statement. He declared, “The only conclusion I can reach is that the sole reason he is calling me before this committee is to get me to say something — anything — that could vindicate his repeated public pledges that I end up, in his words, quote, ‘behind bars.’”
Even that statement could present a matter for litigation. Congress previously found in 2013 when high-ranking IRS leader Lois Lerner also pleaded the Fifth after giving an opening statement before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
The Justice Department under the Obama Administration refused to prosecute. Fauci will argue that such a general statement does not waive the privilege and that, when asked a question, he promptly and consistently invoked it.
Of course, this is the Trump Administration, not the Obama Administration. Ironically, if the matter is litigated, the Administration will be in the position of defending the pardon, which it has long questioned, as the result of Joe Biden’s infamous autopen. The ability to hold Fauci in contempt becomes dependent on that pardon being valid.
The Justice Department can argue that the Supreme Court has consistently held that the mere fear of a perjury charge is insufficient to compel witnesses who are immunized, dating back to 1896 in Brown v. Walker.
Moreover, the Supreme Court has held that “anticipatory perjury” is not a basis for such a refusal to testify in cases such as United States v. Apfelbaum.
However, Fauci can cite new state investigations as unaffected by the federal pardon, as well as new questions arising outside the pardon that could theoretically pose ongoing risks of criminal prosecution.
Courts have generally adopted broad interpretations to protect the right to remain silent, a touchstone of our legal system. That is why I believe Fauci likely has the edge in any challenge.
The fact is that it is uncertain. The cases in this area remain relatively sparse, and any pardon case is highly case-specific to the confines and scope of the specific pardon.
If so, Fauci can remain silent, but that silence will remain deafening for many in this country.
The right to do something does not make it the right thing to do. Fauci, in my view, was wrong to invoke the privilege against self-incrimination even if it was his right to do so. Millions of Americans lost loved ones during the pandemic, and the United States had one of the worst records in dealing with COVID-19 in terms of costs and deaths. Fauci’s diaries exposed disturbing contradictions between what he previously stated publicly and what he actually believed. Americans have a right to know the truth, and Fauci was not saying a thing, invoking the privilege 111 times.
He will say nothing to the families who lost loved ones or the business owners ruined by now-debunked pandemic measures.
He will say nothing to the scientists who were canceled, blacklisted, and fired for opposing these policies. Those scientists did not get the bobbleheads and celebrity photos that Fauci celebrated in his diaries. As the mob hounded them, Fauci said nothing as he gushed about his own fame in his diary.
He will say nothing despite the protection of a presidential pardon. For that, he should be rightfully condemned. Fauci’s contempt of Congress is challengeable, but his contempt for the public is undeniable.
Jonathan Turley is a law professor and the New York Times best-selling author of “Rage and the Republic: The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution.”
Fauchi represents everything that wrong the Deep State.
How so?
Libertarians argue that free markets and private enterprises are always more efficient than government intervention.
The rapid development of life-saving vaccines (Operation Warp Speed) relied on billions of dollars in state-backed funding, advanced market commitments, and public-private coordination. Furthermore, global supply chains for life-saving medical equipment completely collapsed under market pressures. The pandemic proved that during an existential crisis, a highly centralized state apparatus is the only entity with the capital and logistical scale required to mount a nationwide response, directly undermining the “small government” thesis.
Small government wouldn’t have been able to manage the pandemic. It took big government to coordinate everything.
The pandemic also exposed a serious problem with libertarian views on individualism. Libertarianism is anchored by John Stuart Mill’s “Harm Principle” and the Non-Aggression Principle (NAP). This dictates that individuals should have absolute freedom unless their actions cause direct physical harm to others.
In a pandemic, a completely healthy-looking individual can asymptomatically transmit a lethal airborne virus to an unwilling third party. Suddenly, normal individual actions—like breathing in public or operating a business without health protocols—pose a direct physical threat to others’ bodily autonomy. That’s where the masking issue posed problems. Masking was not about preventing infection, it was about minimizing the spread of infection to others.
Libertarians failed to reach an internal consensus on where an individual’s right to risk exposure ends and their neighbor’s right to safety begins. By treating a highly contagious virus purely as a matter of “personal choice,” mainstream libertarianism struggled to answer how a stateless society would prevent mass harm without collective mandates. This is why Sen. Paul is focusing on Dr. Fauci. Because demonizing him and prosecuting him allows the libertarian mind to square the circle it without facing the problem directly. It’s convenient.
You ignored the fact that big govt. caused the problem and then caused worse solutions to the problem. It’s the model of the large govt.
What is the model of large govt?
Did big government cause the explosive diarrhea outbreak, the measles infection rate increase, and now some other food poisoning is spreading. All because Trump has crippled the government.
Nowhere, not once, does Turley say anything about libertarianism or libertarian efforts to hold Fauci accountable.
X was clearly desperate this morning to create an argument that is non-existent.
X is so desperate to create a contrarian view that he dedicates THREE lengthy comments to get it out of his Grammarly AI system. poor fellow.
X was clearly desperate this morning to create an argument that is non-existent
That is his standard 25/8 psychotic narcissistic Dark Triad personality. That and getting rejected by gheys on Grindr hence his trolling on here
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Why would Turley need to say so when it was Rand Paul’s effort.
can you read? This was in response to X, who AI’s three rambling entries calling out “libertarianism”
“Libertarians argue that free markets and private enterprises are always more efficient than government intervention.”
With respect to the many many many things that do not require FORCE.
Anyone arguing that we do not need courts and police or that these can be done privately is an anarcho capitalist – not a libertarian.
Anarcho Capitalist and libretarians are not completely at loggerheads with each other – I find ancap arguments often compelling.
But anarcho capitalism is essentially a form of utopianism like socialism.
I strongly suspect than ancap society would work quite well. But in a world where we can not pare govenrment down even to only raods and schools – neither of which are legitimate government functions, I am not interested in trying to defend a system with private Defense, prisons, courts and policing.
But there is one way in which anarcho capitalism is NOT utopian, and in fact is more successful than libertarianism.
The relationship of nations in the world is working anarcho capitalism.
“The rapid development of life-saving vaccines (Operation Warp Speed) relied on billions of dollars in state-backed funding, advanced market commitments, and public-private coordination.”
Nope – a nearly identical vaccine was available completely privately through Biohackers in April 2020.
Developing the Covid vaccine was trivial. The purpose of Project warp speed was two fold – cutting through the miles of govenrment red tape that makes it impossible for anything in the area of medicine to be developed quickly, and protecting the phrmaceutical industry from threats from above and below.
Project Warp Speed prevented any possibility that the work of biohackers – mostly bioreasearchers from major bio labs who were separately working on projects on their own in their Garage – you know the place where Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, HP and just about every other fortune 500 company started, from threatening Big Pharma.
BioHackers are free to conduct bio research on their pets – so long as they do not engage in the animal cruelty that Fauxi did. Many experiment on themselves – though that is illegal, but mostly unstoppable. But they are forbidden from doing anything with humans BY LAW.
We will not have another Pharma related business born in a garage and that is exactly what Big Pharma (and all other big business ) wants. This is a form of rent seeking.
” Furthermore, global supply chains for life-saving medical equipment completely collapsed under market pressures.”
Nope. Please name a single item of anykind that was in short supply for more than a very short time.
As Coivd emerged – China -0 the worlds major supplier of PPE stopped shipping globally as they had massive internal demand.
Idiots like you ranted “wo is me, the world is coming to an end” – yet it did not. Foir maybe a week or two Youtube was full of videos about how to make your own hand sanitizer or masks or …. and shortly after that – Businesses that had been making other products that were similar shifted almost overnight.
Mike Lindell – the MAGA my pillow guy you hate was producing Masks by the million – as were other US manufacturers.
Overnight companies worked out systems to sterilize hospital PPE and delivered pre setup containers that you just needed to plug in or fire up a generator.
Musk has Tesla developing respirators using existing car parts. But this stopped when it was established that Respirators were not actually doing any good.
Littleraly the greatest asset of the free market is turning scarcity to abundance
Absolutely nothing in existance comes close.
Shortages of anything that are more than temporary are ALWAYS the result of governnment.
Today China has the US over a barrel with Rare Earths. But Rare earths are not anywhere close to actually rare – they are pretty much everywhere.
But we few exceptions the US does very little reseource extraction today. 90% of US steel today is recycled. If you go to Bethlehem and other historic american steel mills they are shut down – because we produce almost no steel from mining Iron anymore. We do not need to.
But one consequence of this is that things like Rare earths are often byproducts of mining operations – they are generally recovered fromt he waste from mining.
So no mining no rare earths. We can separately mine specifically for rare earths – but that has had two problems in the past.
First they are not valuable enough to justify producing them in the US when we can buy them cheap from China.
And next – the left is absolutely ecstatic that the US has rediucally reduced mining and fights tooth and nail any efforts to open new or old mines.
Supplyiung the US with rare earths is a government problem – because hijacked government is the obstacle that must be overcome.
Contra your claim Project Warp Speed proved something completely different:
First truly free markets work fast – Bio Hackers had vaccines by April 2020. If you had 25K per person and you knew where to search you could have been vaccinated in April on the black market. Developing the vaccine was not hard for smart people. And america has LOTS of very smart people and most of them are NOT in big Pharma – though many are. But the next thing it demonstrated was how quickly even big business could work with all the red tape out of the way.
I would further note that the Trump funding deal with Big Pharma was NOT – we will give you billions to develop a vaccine.
The actual deal was if you develop the vaccine we will guarantee BUYING millions of doses – (whether it works or not) and we will shield you from liability if it does not or if it does harm. There was absolutely ZERO problem privately coming up with the money – and in fact Big Pharma did not actually receive govenrment money until they started delivering vaccine. Nor did they need it The actual cost to develop and test the vaccine was overall relatively low – atleast as far as Big Pharma goes – a billion or two at most.
Probably less.
” The pandemic proved that during an existential crisis, a highly centralized state apparatus is the only entity with the capital and logistical scale required to mount a nationwide response, directly undermining the “small government” thesis.”
Absolutely false.
Those of you on the left have ranted that Elon Musk was the worlds first Trillionaire.
Regardless even in 2020 when he was only worth about 400B – he could have personally entirely funded the development of the Covid vaccine.
And in fact he could have done so without spending a dime – merely by doing exactly what government did – Guaranteeing the funds.
You are under the delusion that Government creates capital – They don’t. They steal it. Capital is the value we produce.
Gopvernment can create as much money as it wants – but whether it is through taxes of printing money – Government does not create capital – they steal it.
Printing money does not create value – it dilutes the value of everyone elses money. That is all.
Musk has just proven that he can not only create a space program much larger than anything NASA has ever done – but that he can do so profitably.
Again you rant that no one else has the Capital – Yet Much created multiple businesses each worth over a trillion dollars.
Nor is Musk alone. Bezos is lagging behind Musk – but he is still competing. New Glenn and StarShip are approximately equal competitors.
And Government did not do that.
BTW Government did not solve the PPE problem early in Covid – people like Mike Lindell did.
There is no such thing as a real shortage of anything ever – EXCEPT human brainpower
You can by this on Amazon if you want – but Julian Simon gave it to the world for free when he died.
Julian simon was the pre eminent economist of scarcity and this is the compendium of his lifes work.
https://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/
There is absolutely nothing that is truly scarce except creative minds.
No Government is NOT necescary for the economy or to do pretty much anything.
All govenrment capital comes from some form of confiscation of private capital.
Govenrment does not create capital it steals it – one way or another.
That is only justified – if it is ever justified in doing things that only govenrment can do – things that require FORCE – Law enforcement as an example.
Not developing vaccines.
“Small government wouldn’t have been able to manage the pandemic. It took big government to coordinate everything.”
ROFL
ZERO GOVERMENT could and did deal with the pandemic. As noted – Government did not fill the shortages – private actors did – not even government funded private actors.
A preliminary design for the Covid vaccine had been completed by late February by people who had nothing but the genome sequencing.
BioHackers had a vaccine you could buy in April 2020. Before Project Warp Speed was announced.
You can go find posts I wrong in April of 2020 HERE – because I wrote about it extensively then.
T”he pandemic also exposed a serious problem with libertarian views on individualism. Libertarianism is anchored by John Stuart Mill’s “Harm Principle” and the Non-Aggression Principle (NAP). This dictates that individuals should have absolute freedom unless their actions cause direct physical harm to others.”
The NAP and the harm principle are NOT the same thing.
“The harm principle, articulated by John Stuart Mill, states that individuals should be free to act as they wish unless their actions cause harm to others.”
“The non-aggression principle (NAP) says that “aggression”—meaning initiating or threatening forceful interference with a person, their property, or their contracts—is illegitimate and should be prohibited.”
These overlap but they are not the same.
Mill is a utilitarian and the harm principle is broader than the NAP.
“In a pandemic, a completely healthy-looking individual can asymptomatically transmit a lethal airborne virus to an unwilling third party.”
We are still debating that – but lets presume it is true.
There is absolutely nothing you can do about that.
“Suddenly, normal individual actions—like breathing in public or operating a business without health protocols—pose a direct physical threat to others’ bodily autonomy. ”
False – as we experienced with COVID – those health protocols DO NOT WORK.
With or without those protocols – innocent people can harm innocent people.
Government can not step in and abridge individual liberty UNLESS itr is actually able to demonstrate a clear NET benefit from the restriction of liberty.
YOUR idiotic claims gave us Buck v. Bell – the forced sterilization of the mentally unhealthy and the mentally deficient.
They gave us the WWII concentration camps with tens of thousands of american citizens of japanese descent.
And that is just in the US – the Entirety of Hitlers “final solution” rested on the same premises that YOU are claiming to FORCE people to do things against their will.
The Nazi’s program of Genocide was a PUBLIC HEALTH program – Like Buck V. Bell – the Nazis targeted the mentally deficient, the feeble, the gay and jews and claimed a PUBLIC HEALTH justification for murdering them.
Are you actually familiar with Nazi arguments ? There is nothing in them that is any different from the claims of Public Health officials TODAY with Covid.
EXCEPT that TODAY MOST people KNOW that JEWS and Homosexuals and the mentally deficient are NOT a public health threat.
Margret Sanger shilled for Birth Control as a Means of genocide targetting blacks – if they do not reproduce – then these racially inferior people disappear.
About the only thing that is true is the degree of evil and Harm that came from YOUR idiocy TODAY was less than the same uses of public health claims by progressives to F#$K over people in the past.
Contra your claim the history of govenrmnent action in this SPECIFIC area is black and evil.
But you are correct – Genocide always takes a government.
Why are you still arguing this nonsense ?
I am almost upset with myself for engaging in addressing details on issues like Masks and vaccines.
outside the fringe left – people are past those.
I am not one of the few voices in the wilderness saying “masks don’t work”
Most everyone has accepted that.
While we are nbot quite to the same place with the vaccine – we are close.
There is ZERO question that mass vaccinations were a big mistake.
The unanswered question today is whether targeted vaccination of the most vulnerable has benefits that are greater than the risks.
But outside the fringe left – no one is shilling for mass vaccination anymore.
I have explained to you over and over in excrutiating detail the PREDICTABLE failures of everything you are trying to sell.
But none of that detail should be necescary today – Masks dso not work, Social distancing did not work. shutdowns did not work.
Not a single public policy of the left leaning public health experts worked.
Nor was any of this an accident.
We can not stop the flu
We have NEVER stopped an airborne virus with a transmission rate of over 1.4 with anything less than a 99% effective vaccine with a very very long half life.
Every single thing you have proposed has NEVER worked.
Masks did not fail in 2020. They failed in Every study in the 21st century against every airborne disease.
You lost these arguments BEFORE they started – and you went ahead anyway.
The only difference between you and the Nazi’s or past progressives is that they were slightly more open about being willing to murder people using public health policy as a justification.
You keep pretending that Public health justifications are inherently Benign.
Yet that is absolutely NOT there history.
SAngers attempted genocide of blacks was “public health policy”
The final solution was a public health policy.
The Tuskegee syphilis experiments were a public health policy.
Institutionalizing the mentally unhealthy and feeble in the 19th century was a public health policy.
Releasing them onto the streets starting in the 60’s such that most of the homeless today are people with mental health issues and/or drug addicts – was public health policy.
Incarcerating them as we are increasingly doing today – is a public policy.
The war on Drugs is a public health policy.
I do not necescarily share ALL of RFK Jr.s claims.
But one thing he is absolutely correct about is that public health officials have a LONG LONG track record of lying and abusing power to the harm of people.
There is some weak evidence linking the MMR vaccine to Autism. I am not sure it is convincing.
But I am absolutely sure that Public Health officials would have have lied REPEATEDLY – either to get what they wanted or to cover their asses.
I do not know if RFK jr.s new food pyramid is correct. But EVERYONE knows that for 60 years public health officials have been LYING about food.
We have an epidemic of obesity in this country – that is atleast partly if not totally because of government.
Senator Paul’s fixation on legally destroying Dr. Fauci is not a defense of pure libertarian philosophy; it is a desperate attempt to retroactively rewrite the pandemic narrative to vindicate libertarian failures.
Senator Paul is utilizing the coercive tools of the federal government—subpoenas, committee hearings, and criminal contempt referrals—to punish a career civil servant. For an ideology that claims to despise state coercion, using the full weight of Congress to orchestrate a legal “perjury trap” is a massive ideological contradiction.
By focusing entirely on Dr. Fauci as an individual “tyrant,” Senator Paul shifts the debate away from complex, systemic policy questions (which libertarianism failed to answer) and reframes it as a simple battle against an administrative bogeyman. If Fauci can be branded a criminal, then the state’s entire pandemic response can be dismissed as a malicious conspiracy rather than a necessary, data-driven crisis management effort.
LOL. “It’s the system.” Until you give us the name of another head, rolling fauci’s will do in the meantime. Fauci is a profiteering huckster slimeball of the first order, he is obama-jarrett-omar-level of scumbag. Now, go collect your $1k/hour fooling suckers with that BS, but give us a break, you look foolish.
Jonathan Turley’s desperate attempt to rationalize the political theater surrounding Dr. Fauci’s hearing is an exercise in legal gymnastics. He simply cannot bring himself to fully admit that this entire crusade is both legally indefensible and morally bankrupt. Senator Paul’s obsession with putting Fauci in a cell has nothing to do with oversight and everything to do with a personal grudge—an embarrassing spectacle for someone who regularly boasts about “libertarian sensibilities” regarding state overreach.
The reality is simple: Dr. Fauci committed no crime. He steered the country through an unprecedented global crisis based on the evolving scientific data available at the time. It is always easier for grandstanding politicians to manufacture a scapegoat than it is to engage with complex scientific realities. Human beings, even world-class scientists, make mistakes. But Senator Paul seems entirely incapable of accepting that basic reality.
When a politician openly and repeatedly brags that his goal is to put you “behind bars,” that statement alone is a legally sufficient reason to remain silent. The “pardon excuse” being pushed by Paul and Turley completely fails basic legal scrutiny. They operate on the naive assumption that because Joe Biden issued a federal pardon, Fauci has zero legal exposure. That is not how the law works.
Turley’s wishy washy arguments against Dr. Fauci’s invocation of the Fifth Amendment casually ignores established Supreme Court precedent and the stark realities of federal prosecution. Specifically, Turley dismisses the fact that the Fifth Amendment explicitly protects the innocent from being ensnared by “ambiguous circumstances” (Ohio v. Reiner). Furthermore, he completely ignores that a federal pardon does absolutely nothing to prevent hyper-partisan state prosecutors from filing state-level charges under the Dual Sovereignty Doctrine (Gamble v. United States).
Those who foolishly argue that Fauci could avoid all of this “by just telling the truth” possess a fundamentally childish view of the American legal system. In a weaponized committee hearing, anything a witness says can—and will—be twisted into a false-statement charge under 18 U.S.C. § 1001. Invoking the Fifth Amendment 111 times wasn’t an admission of guilt; it was a tactical defense against a blatant perjury trap.
Senator Paul is furious because he has finally hit a brick wall. He knows he has no legal crime to charge Dr. Fauci. He wanted force him to lie by answering questions that would be considered perjury in the hearing so he could charge him and finally send him to jail. Turley knows Sen. Paul’s changes are slim to none. So he has to make the best of it to make smear Dr. Fauci as a guilty party as much as he can.
“legal gymnastics” huh? At least Turley has the expertise and and qualifications to write this opinion. You? Just a big mouth with no qualifications and expertise.
Turley has the expertise and qualifications to write this opinion, but he’s not paid to use them. He is paid to back the billionaires who hire millionaires to convince the middle and lower class to be minions of the oligarchs.
Turley is like the doctor who is hired to say that smoking cigarettes is part of a healthy lifestyle.
“Turley is like the doctor who is hired to say that smoking cigarettes is part of a healthy lifestyle.”
Very Fauci-esque, if true.
-g
What a cynical comment!
No whining and crying allowed Karen. House rules. Or maybe grow a pair.
Looks to me like CC has a pair: left and right brain hemispheres to process different types of input…and their sources….
So? Turley is also fair game for criticism and rebuttals. I don’t have to be an expert or have a qualification to contest his assertions or opinions.
At least I offer counter arguments of substance. What do YOU offer?
What do you offer? Counter arguments to the lies and slop you post.
Cat got your tongue George?
You said it…counter-arguments. It’s way more than what you offer.
Talks most, says least. More BS rhetoric. As long as you know you’re playing a part, it’s all fun and games, but if you take yourself serious and have contempt for your readers know we’re alughing AT you.
The Fifth Amendment says no person “shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself”. In my humble opinion, the applicable words for the Fauci catastrophe are “in any criminal case”. A congressional hearing IS NOT A CRIMINAL CASE. In my humble opinion, the Fifth Amendment is inapplicable. Congress has unquestioned authority to engage in fact-finding hearings … for example, to try to avoid a maniac killing 7 million people sometime in the future.
If Congress has the ability to grant immunity, then compel testimony, the 5th is clearly applicable.
None of the questions related to preventing a future pandemic.
Fauci doesn’t know how to prevent a future pandemic, in fact it’s inevitable. What we’re trying to prevent is another false god for the next one (I believe in science – bwahahahah – what a bunch of f’in idiots).
Its time for a Anesthesiology interview
Professor Turley,
It is ridiculous to present that is as “uncertain.” The fact that the same folks voting for contempt of Congress are also challenging the validity of the pardon is, by itself, reasonable fear of prosecution, which warrants the 5th Amendment protection. That, in addition to the fact that the pardon does not cover state level actions as well as anything outside of the period that the pardon covered makes this very certain indeed.
The rule of law does not change because of your subjective determinations of the motives of those seeking to enforce the law.
Trump went after the Bidens in his first term. While there are doubts about some of the claims of the left, there is no doubt that Trump asked Zelenski to look into The conduct of the Biden’s in Ukraine.
Contra the left – it is NOT Trump’s motives that matter. You are not immunie from prosecution because those seeking to have you prosecuted are “out to get you”
What is relevant is whether what is being pursued is credible allegations of criminal conduct.
VP Joe Biden admitted that he used the power of the Vice President to Get the Ukrainian cheif prosecutor fired.
There is massive documentation that Hunter Biden received millions to accomplish exactly that.
That is far more than reasonable suspicion needed to open an investigation, outside the bias directed thinking on the far left, it is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Joe Biden was personally bribed to use the power of the US government for the benefit of those paying him.
Trump’s animus towards Biden is irrelevant – so long as there is reasonable suspicion.
In 2021 Now President Biden – as well as significant portions of in power democrats went after Trump with a vengence.
The critical question was NOT whether they were motivated by Animus but whether they had reasonable suspicion of a crime.
Unlike the case regarding Trump zelenski this was NOT a question of fact primarily but one of law. And in most instance law that was known before the lawfare started.
The fact that Smith was illegally appointed is not determinative in whether the efforts to “get trump” were legal and legitimate – it was just evidence of the disregard for the law of those going after Trump. Smith’s legal theory regarding the classified documents case was convoluted and absurd and the case should have been dismissed outright.
NY had to radically change the law to allow E Jean Carrol to go after Trump. James case was absurd to begin with – even if Trump had actually intentionally misrepresented the value of his properties the law requires due dilligence on the part of buyers – Caveat Emptor is an ancient legal principle. Further Value is subjective, The sellor does not know what it is that a buyer values. Finally banks are legal ly required to perfom massive due diligence – and have been forever – but more so since 2008.
The Brag Merchan case is equally ludicrous – The Legal Definition of Fraud – which also applies to the James case requires that someone is deprived of REAL PROPERTY by the alleged misrepresentations. The supreme court has tossed fraud convictions repeatedly where the claim is some intangible loss such as voters knowledge in an election.
My point is that all the prosecutions of Trump required massive stretches of the law – you do not have “reasonable suspicion” of a crime when you are fighting an uphill battle to essentially create new law.
While the majority of people do not understand the details of the law. The law is how it is – the supposedly arcane limits on the law are rooted in the perceptions of ORDINARY PEOPLE as to what should be barred and punished by FORCE through government. We do not punish conduct just because some or many of us are offended.
Most people KNOW that those in government taking money in return for the use of public power – is wrong on all levels. That if pervasive self government becomes impossible.
Most people also understand that questioning the outcome of an election rightly or wrongly is not and never should be a crime. They understand that when someone waits 25 years to make an allegation and even then has next to nothing in the way of evidence and can not even consistently describe what happened – that such things are left to the judgement of the people – not the government, not the courts. That whether a political candidate once slept with a porn star is not a a fit matter for criminal justice.
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Are many – more than Republicans going after Fauxi motivated by animus
ABSOLUTELY.
Sen. Paul and Fauxi wrangled for years and Fauxi lied under oath over and over and was then Pardoned by Biden. Absolutely Sen. Paul and many others want Fauxi in an orange jump suit. Without any doubt he is a criminal – a pardoned one, but still a criminal.
Regardless, it is not animus that matters. It is the law. Fauxi was pardoned. He could not be federally prosecuted if he testified Truthfully. The only “Perjury Trap” he faced was of his own making – he lied under oath int he past and to avoid perjury charges he was going to have to testify Truthfully today. As Turley notes – there is no right to invoke the 5th because otherwise you might lie. The 5th ammendment protects you from being forced to tell the truth when doing so might subject you to prosecution.
It is not a protection from embarrassment.
Nor contrary to Turley is it protection from legal Jeopardy in all domains. The Senate is not required to immunize you from local, state and international prosecution before it can compel you to testify. GENERALLY The law recognizes that immunity granted in one domain applies in others – particularly with regard to the 5th amendment.
This is why Bill Cosby’s conviction was tossed by the PA Supreme court.
Contra Turley Fauxi’s best protection from states prosecuting him is to testify honestly before the Senate. That does not stop states, but it is near certain SCOTUS will bar the use of his senate testimony in state and local prosecutions.
John Say,
“Without any doubt he is a criminal – a pardoned one, but still a criminal.”
Needs repeating.
Well said.
Upstatefarmer, what when was he convicted? Trump is a criminal felon. So when was Dr. Fauci convicted of a crime? Plus, what was the crime?
I had to look it up, but it appears Christ was convicted of blasphemy, treason, tax evasion (owed to Caesar), sedition, and put to death.
Not in ANY way comparing Trump to Christ; my point is that Christ died a convicted felon.
After a trial.
https://bibleask.org/what-were-the-charges-against-jesus/
Criminal? And yet he’s not been charged or convicted. More stupid from Say.
You know its stupid when farmer praises it.
Just because you haven’t been charged, doesn’t mean you aren’t a criminal – see the non-charged democrats
John Say, as always, that’s a lot of nonsense.
You claim the Alvin Bragg case is ludicrous because the legal definition of fraud “requires that someone is deprived of REAL PROPERTY… The supreme court has tossed fraud convictions repeatedly where the claim is some intangible loss such as voters’ knowledge.
As you have been shown repeatedly Trump’s charges were not federal charges, they were NY state charges.
You’re always confusing federal wire fraud statutes (Ciminelli v. United States) with New York State penal law. Donald Trump was convicted under New York Penal Law § 175.10 (Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree) .
Under NY state law, the prosecution does not have to prove a victim lost tangible physical property. The statute strictly requires intent to defraud and conceal another crime (in this case, New York Election Law § 17-152, conspiracy to promote an election by unlawful means). Falsifying invoices, ledger entries, and checks to hide campaign hush money fits the statutory definition perfectly.
You claim Joe Biden getting Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin fired while Hunter received money is “proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Joe Biden was personally bribed.“
ROFL!!! Wrong. Plus you never show said “proof”.
Biden demanded Shokin’s removal because Shokin was refusing to investigate corruption, acting in direct accordance with the official, documented policy of the U.S. State Department, the European Union, and the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
Congressional investigations led by Republicans themselves found absolutely zero evidence that Joe Biden altered U.S. policy for financial gain. To call a debunked conspiracy theory “proof beyond a reasonable doubt”—the highest standard in the American legal system—is idiotic.
You say Caveat Emptor does not protect a commercial entity from systematic, intentional balance sheet fraud. Trump was sued under New York Executive Law § 63(12), which empowers the Attorney General to prosecute repeated or persistent fraud.
Again, wrong.
Under this statute, the state does not need to show that a bank was “tricked” or failed its due diligence; it only needs to prove that a business submitted materially false asset valuations to distort the marketplace. Businesses are legally forbidden from lying on official financial statements, regardless of whether the bank double-checks the math.
You claim the Senate doesn’t need to shield a witness from state prosecution, and the Supreme Court will magically bar states from using Fauci’s testimony. The commenter cites Bill Cosby’s case as proof that “immunity granted in one domain applies in others.
No.
This is a horrendous misreading of the Bill Cosby case (Pennsylvania v. Cosby). Cosby’s conviction was overturned because a local county district attorney promised Cosby he wouldn’t be criminally prosecuted if he gave a deposition in a civil suit, and a subsequent DA violated that specific promise. It had nothing to do with federal-to-state cross-over immunity.
Under the binding Supreme Court precedent of Kastigar v. United States (1972), if a legislative body wants to compel a witness to waive their Fifth Amendment rights, it must formally grant them statutory immunity under 18 U.S.C. § 6002. Because Rand Paul’s committee has not granted Fauci formal immunity, he maintains his constitutional right to remain silent to shield himself from state-level exposure under the Dual Sovereignty Doctrine (Gamble v. United).
You make this wild claim, “There is no right to invoke the 5th because otherwise you might lie.”
Not true. This goes to show you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Fauci’s legal counsel isn’t asserting the Fifth because Fauci intends to lie today. They are asserting it because the committee is actively using past, highly technical statements regarding “gain-of-function” definitions to manufacture a retroactive False Statements(18 U.S.C. § 1001) or perjury charge out of any variance in recollection.
If a committee asks a question where any answer—truthful or otherwise—can be structurally contrasted against an ambiguous decade-old email to form the basis of a federal indictment, the Supreme Court rules the witness has a clear constitutional right to refuse to answer (Ohio v. Reiner).
John, it’s clear you have no idea what you are talking about. You provide zero evidence to support your claims.
There is zero coherence to this rambling.
The “reasonable fear” standard for the 5th Amendment has nothing to do with subjectivity. Read Hoffman and Reiner before the next diatribe?
When we listened to Fauci at the hearing, we were hoping to learn more about the Pandemic. Honesty would have been so beneficial to our knowledge of the virus, how we deal with the death of loved ones and most importantly, how the future deals with future pandemics. His silence deprived us of important information. I read early on in the Pandemic (when looking for masks) that the NIH was funding the the lab in China. This then made me question the info about the lab and the dangers of working on such a dangerous virus. The fact that Dr. Fauci predicted a pandemic was not so prophetic after that. But I still hung on all his comments, hoping to understand the contagious nature of the virus. To learn years later that this once respected scientist didn’t speak honestly, is truly disheartening. We were forced to take the vaccine or be barred from places or see our families; others lost their jobs UNLESS they complied. Now — I will no longer take the shots because of the very scientists that weren’t honest. The public too should be blamed because we pushed the scientists to lie or deceive as we demanded answers when they just weren’t any at the beginning of the pandemic. We wanted magicians to produce what wasn’t there. We demanded answers and so did the politicians. We are not a patient people and that too was unfair to the scientists. But what Dr Fauci did was to stretch truths and deny facts that in the end, hurt the very people he was trying to save. This is a sad end to a once brilliant career and his silence is louder than waving a flag before a bull. One can not really blame Dr Fauci for listening to his counsel to protect himself but we can see that doing so has harmed him anyway — and all future scientist. That is the real shame of what Dr Fauci did before Congress. Who do we trust? Certainly not politicians and now, our scientists are fighting for their reputations because of Dr Fauci. It is a sad time for all.
Dr. Fauci testified before Congress on those aspects dozens of times. If you want to learn more, look at those inquiries.
Rand Paul said his only goal for this hearing was to put Dr. Fauci in prison.
Goal, Rand Paul said? Um, where’s the proof? Fool.
Is it truth we seek or fame? Politicians are just as likely to deceive as scientists. That is why what Fauci did was hard to watch. What is Paul wanting to hear and is it personal or scientific? Again, the public has to be wary.
This should be an important lesson to everyone.
Ultimately YOU are responsible for the decisions you make in your own life.
We often take advice from Experts – Doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers.
But the decisions we make are ours alone.
This is ALSO another reason that communism and socialism do not work.
We can not collectivize the individual responsibility for our own lives.
John Say: I like your comment above.
(that said, I am not sure that populations often receive the balanced, unbiased, and transparent information to make such decisions. The anti-administration media has manipulated public sentiment to a point that trust is clearly on the firing line.)
“We often take advice from Experts… But the decisions we make are ours alone.” Not really.
When you drive across a bridge, fly in an airplane, or undergo specialized neurosurgery, you are not making an independent individual decision based on your own knowledge. You are entirely dependent on collective safety standards, government licensing boards, and legal regulations.
A private citizen cannot personally audit the structural engineering math of a skyscraper before entering it, or run a chemical purity test on a prescription drug before taking it. Society relies on collective regulatory frameworks (like building codes, medical boards, and safety agencies) to ensure experts do not kill people. Individual responsibility cannot replace institutional oversight.
“We can not collectivize the individual responsibility for our own lives.”
Are you sure about that?
What about the concept of public goods? Resources that must be managed collectively because they cannot be divided into individual portions.
If a contagious airborne virus enters a community, an individual’s decision to stay healthy is instantly compromised by the actions of those around them. That’s why the Barrington Declaration idea was not going to work. Similarly, things like air traffic control, wastewater management, national defense, and grid infrastructure are inherently collective. You cannot “individually responsibly” manage a shared ecosystem or a global supply chain.
Using expert advice and individual decision-making as a proof for why “communism and socialism do not work.” Are you sure?
This is an ideological non-sequitur. Neither socialism nor communism is defined as “abolishing personal decisions about your doctor.”
Socialism is an economic system based on the collective ownership or social regulation of the means of production (like factories, resources, and utilities). Communism is a theoretical stateless, classless society. Neither system argues that individuals do not have minds or personal accountability. In fact, many capitalist countries heavily collectivize fields like medicine (via universal healthcare) while maintaining robust economies and personal freedoms.
If an architect designs a house that collapses, or a doctor prescribes a lethal dose of medication, the legal system does not say, “Well, the client made the final decision to trust them, so it’s their own fault.”
The law recognizes professional malpractice precisely because experts hold an asymmetrical advantage in knowledge. The expert bears the legal and moral liability for the advice they give, directly disproving the claim that “the decisions are ours alone.”
The decisions we make are essentially ours alone, assuming we are legally competent and not threatened/forced to do so. We have legal recourse against parties or entities for false/manipulated/slanted/disproven information that we relied on, -and we also have available that specific defense, in the event that we are charged with liability for any harm to others.
You didn’t even bother to rewrite or reword much of your above AI comment, shame.
Personally, for his crimes, I hope he never has another minute of peace. In particular, his personal decisions on funding gain-of-function research, and to China no less, reveal massive misjudgment. This is funding the unethical by the immoral.
You can bet China today has some serious viruses on their shelves, ready to spread, as needed.
Hey Don, what crimes?
And the US doesn’t have any viruses on their shelves?
Happy Hiroshima Day!
“Millions of Americans lost loved ones during the pandemic, and the United States had one of the worst records in dealing with COVID-19 in terms of costs and deaths.”
This sentence written by Turley at line 44 in the above screed is the only relevant and factually correct statement he makes.
The US had one of the worst records in terms of death rates. Only 15 countries had a worse death rate and they were all 3rd world countries with poor health systems and resources.
The US had a death rate of 3626 deaths per million.
Canada had a death rate of 1424 deaths per million. Less than half the US rate in a country very similar to the US.
Australia had a death rate of 963 deaths per million.
New Zealand was 884 deaths per million, 4 times better than the US.
Why did these countries fare so much better ???
They followed Fauci’s advice. They locked down, closing schools and businesses. They invoked universal mask precautions and social distancing. They achieved vaccination rates of more than 80%, at least twice the US rate.
However, Turley tries to twist this around and blame Fauci for the dismal COVID outcome in the US.
The reality is that those countries who followed his advice did far better in terms of excess death rates due to COVID.
One of the dumbest responses I have ever read.
Anonymous, Dr. Fauci is being persecuted because it’s easier that arguing against the data. They want a scapegoat for their inability to accept responsibility for their won choices.
Like saying Russia-Russia-Russia over and over. With zero proof.
Right george.
Dustoff, go away.
“easier that arguing against the data” you say? You show your stupidity every time you comment.
Scapegoat? How about the fact that Fauci was the government employee who set national policy, and lastly, there is every reason to accept the fact life that Fauci suppressed the lab leak theory, the lab the he paid for with US tax dollars. And you think he’s a scapegoat? So who is responsible? No need to answer.
Speaking of dumb…Dr. Fauci didn’t set government policy. He had zero power to implement policy. His only role was advisory. The only people who had the authority to set policy and enforce the rules were the legislative and executive branches of each state. Nobody was forced to follow Dr. Fauci’s advice. Nobody was required to.
If you want to know who was responsible, look to those who were in charge of making the rules and enforcing them. Hint…..Trump was one of many.
The DATA is that no one ever found an effective means to deal with Covid.
Sweden implemented essentially the policies of the GBD – and started doing so immediately – not months later when the GBD eventually was published.,
Sweden made some early mistakes that allowed Covid into senior living fascilities, and Sweden unlike other nordic countries has very large senior living fascilities.
Regardless Sweden following the GBD guidelines – not those of Fauxi – had slighly lower mortality rates than Europe and lower than the US.
Britain which was one of the most terrified nations and the most used to following the recommendations of the NHS had one of the best compliance rates with the recommendations of public health policies and has a significantly worse mortality rate than any western country – including the US.
The FACTS are – there is absolutely no evidence at all that any government health policy anywhere reduced covid mortality.
Coivid mortality EVERYWHERE can be accurately predicted completely ignoring Government responses and public compliance – solely by Demographics.
Even within the US – again demographics predict the mortaily on a state by state basis.
Factors like
portion of the population that is elderly.
portion of the population that has various “comorbitities – like diabetes or being overweight”
Time spent outside
Latitude
Vitamin D levels
Population density
Population mobility.
Adjust for these ALONE and you have matched global mortality perfectly.
I would further warn you that one of the problems with left wing nut censorship and control of narratives is that it does not last forever.
A COVID post mortem is being performed. There is alot to look at and there is still some bias and supression of unacceptable results.
But that will not last forever.
Studies from Japan are significantly questioning whether the vaccine did not kill more people than Covid – atleast in some age groups.
At one point we had vaccine compliance as high as 70% in the US and near 100% in places like israel.
Now it is down to 20% – why ? Because the vaccine did not work. While all vaccines kill people, The covid Vaccine has about 10 times the adverse effects of any other vaccine. 3-5 times as many people die within 6 months of being vaccinated as those who are not vaccinated. Most die within a week of being vaccinated.
Often healthy people and without warning.
“3-5 times as many people die within 6 months of being vaccinated as those who are not vaccinated. Most die within a week of being vaccinated.”
I have heard this before but assumed it was from VAERS data, not from a rigorous study. Is there a reasonable study or opinion demonstrating this even if it used VAERS? From some of the VAERS data, on a casual glance, it certainly looked that way when comparing to other VAERS data for other vaccines.
S. Meyer: Very smart on your part about VAERS data.
S. Meyer
I think that by now a majority of Americans know someone with some degree of Covid vaccine injury. We skipped the jab because it was, in fact, experimental. We have friends who conduct drug trials in their clinic and it seems that many of the drugs in their trials have been vetted before being tested on humans much more than the rushed Covid ‘vaccine’ was. Maybe it will turn out that the Covid jab is legitimate. But it came with too many question marks in the bottle for us. Apparently nobody who refused the jab regrets it. But I have read of folks who got it trying to find some way of getting it out.
From the beginning, I thought voluntary isolation of the very old and sick, while everyone went on doing their business. When the shot appeared, I thought it should be voluntary, but best for the elderly and the sick; definitely not for women who could get pregnant and definitely not for children. Fauci was crazy, and from what I read, his most destructive recommendations were the opposite of how he was trained.
John Say, sigh… why do you make things up?
Sweden’s own government explicitly rejected the Great Barrington Declaration, with its chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell calling its approach “unethical” and unviable. Sweden did not “ignore public health policy”; it used strong constitutional recommendations rather than lockdowns, which its highly trusting population followed voluntarily (such as working from home and social distancing).
Furthermore, comparing Sweden to the entire European continent is a classic statistical manipulation. Sweden must be compared to its immediate Nordic neighbors with similar demographics and health systems. Sweden’s cumulative COVID-19 death rate was multiples higher than Norway, Finland, or Denmark, which is why the Swedish King publicly declared their initial pandemic strategy a failure.
There is absolutely no evidence at all that any government health policy anywhere reduced covid mortality.”
Peer-reviewed studies published in The Lancet, Nature, and The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) have definitively shown that non-pharmaceutical interventions (like masking, ventilation, and targeted closures) drastically flattened infection curves.
To claim demographics are the only predictor is mathematically illiterate and monumentally stupid. If demographics alone dictated outcomes, highly urbanized, densely populated, and aging countries like Japan, South Korea, and Singapore should have been decimated. Instead, due to strict, centralized public health compliance, they maintained some of the lowest mortality rates in the world during the pre-vaccine waves.
3-5 times as many people die within 6 months of being vaccinated as those who are not vaccinated.”
Whoa! Now that’s a ginormous fib. Come on John.
If vaccinated people died at 3 to 5 times the rate of unvaccinated people, billions of people would have dropped dead globally, completely collapsing modern society.
In reality, massive global actuarial data involving hundreds of millions of people shows the exact opposite: all-cause mortality is significantly lower among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.
“ Booster compliance dropped to 20% “because the vaccine did not work.”
LOL!
Booster uptake dropped because the virus mutated into milder variants (like Omicron subvariants), population-level immunity (from both vaccines and prior infections) rose dramatically, and the immediate crisis phase of the pandemic ended. It is the exact same reason the annual flu shot has a roughly 20-30% uptake among young, healthy adults—not because the flu shot “doesn’t work,” but because people perceive a lower immediate risk.
This is why science illiterates like you can’t grasp the complex interactions of the virus and the general population. That’s why we have experts and real scientists like Dr. Fauci. You got your knowledge from Facebook posts and so-called experts on tik tok.
Hey, LotsaLaughs X,
you bold-printed “definitively” (a word you learned here.”
why didn’t you bold-print “drastically” as in your sentence, “…drastically flattened infection curves.”
Why?
because considering all other metrics, that is untrue.
X
It was OBVIOUS from Science and Data by May 2020 that Masks were useless. Cloth masks were KNOWN useless from the start – and most people wore cloth masks.
There were also Excellent reasons very early on to know that being outside was safe – and being in confined spaces was very unsafe.
We also knew fairly quickly that normal vitamin D levels corresponded to lower likelyhood of getting Covid, and lower likelyhood of getting severe covid if you did.
Both Biden and Trump got Covid as president and the PRIMARY treatment both received was MASSIVE doses of Vitamin D analogs. Even today this is likely the most effective treatment.
I took vitamin D at the maximum safe level without doctors supervision Through 2020 and into 2021. And I started with normal Vitamin D levels.
From August 2020 when most restrictions were lifted – I was traveling regularly and doing PCA’s many on apartment complexes. I was going into hundreds of apartments – with near certainty I was being frequently exposed to Covid. I did not get Covid until 2026 – and then only mildly.
Regardless the studies are continuing.
The left has very successfully politicized science – but the biases that introduces do not hold up over time.
Yesterday we Leaarned that Dr. Jha accepted that a lab leak was the likely source of Covid – slowly even the most left wing nuts come arround.
Outside of the far left – only a few people still buy the collusion delusion.
Most people are not quite able to accept Trump’s claim he won in 2020 – but the claim the election was safe, secure lawfull and fraud free is rejected by supermajorities.
The majority of people grasp that Biden was corrupt.
Is there anyone still claiming he was competent ?
It takes time to overcome the massive bias, censorship and dominance of the MSM of the left.
But time DOES PASS. Slowly the Truth leaks out.
You and those of you on the far left are still defending Fauxi and his policies.
But super majorities of people grasp that – “The Experts” failed us.
And Covid is not the only left wing nut delusion that is being undermined by time and the failure to conform to reality.
ROFL
Lets see you citre death rates in 3 countries – all of which have worse healthcare systems than the US.
Contra the left – it is the countries with the STRONGEST healthcare systems that suffered the most – Why ?
Because in a nation with a strong healthcare system people with serious heath problems LIVE until they are faced with something like covid.
The US has double the number of Diabetics of anywhere else in the world – Dioabetics who get Covid have a much greater chance of dying.
Contra your claim – most third world countries had LOWER rates of Covid deaths – Why ? Because people with health problems that can be dealth with in the US die in 3rd world countries BEFORE COVID came around.
Canada is a huge country with a sparse population – it is NOT the optimal place to spread any disease.
Austrailia and New Zealand are island nations that can self quarantine effectively
They also both have healthier populations than the US.
Regardless, you can ACCURATELY predict covid mortality everywhere in the world – and could do so in early 2020 bases SOLELY on demographic factors,
Population age, population density, Quality of healthcare system, Latitude, …
Covid has one of the most exponential age/mortality curves of any disease ever. There were less than 100 deaths in the US in people under 24 and all of those were people with significant health problems. For people under 50 the mortality rate was lower than the Flu. For people over 85 the mortality rate was 1:3 if you caught covid.
Countries with large elderly populations did poorly. People with more unhealthy populations did poorly.
The US has an incredibly unheatlh population – we have more obeseity, less excercise, fewer people who get outdoors, more diabetes than anywhere else in the world.
Those and other people with health problems are the ones that die if they get covid.
You only find that mix in Wealthy countries with excellent medical treatment.
So we are clear – ALL of these – and other demographic factors are critical.
Japan has one of the oldest populations in the world. They are also one of the healthiest people in the world. And they are an island nation with tight control on their borders.
My son traveled to Japan during Covid – he had to test negative 24hrs before boarding his plane – and the test had to be administered by a specially certified doctor – he had to travel 3 hours BEFORE his flight just to get tested. When he arrived everyone on the plane was tested, and they were quarantined for 2 weeks.
In the US you could impose the same constraints on Travelers – and despite the objections of the left Trump tried to do so.
But the US has massive land borders people can get in and out of the US without going through any checking. And Once Covid is into a population – you can not stop it.
I think Fauci may have missed a gifted opportunity to plead for contrition on a national stage. All he needed to say is that he was wrong on the science (and science can indeed be wrong at times), and that he was terribly wrong to support and follow the group-think demanded by the Biden administration. The most notable example being permitting large scale BLM demonstrations while simultaneously prohibiting crowds in malls, at athletic events, and church services, among others.
“The most notable example being permitting large scale BLM demonstrations while simultaneously prohibiting crowds in malls, at athletic events, and church services, among others.”
Vincente, you have to understand the virus was a microscopic “Social Justice Warrior”(tm) and could determine the purpose of the event.
Fighting for “social justice” and you were perfectly safe.
Going to a worship service? That’s deadly!
antonio
“Fauci may have missed a gifted opportunity to plead for contrition”
You are making what to me is the erroneous assumption that the SOB is capable of the kind of honest self-assessment that is prerequisite to anything resembling regret or contrition. In my opinion. he is a wholly arrogant narcissist, completely incapable of giving nay credence to even the slightest possibility of his own error. Pretty much like a particular idiotic troll who haunts this space.
You and Fauci do have a lot in common. Your comments are infantile.
Of course, we can see the obvious mature cognition that goes into your comments. Not to mention the admirable courage of posting as “anonymous”. F**king imbecile coward!
So all that posturing comes down to one simple conclusion: “F**king imbecile coward!”
Well done, just proved you’re no different than the anons.
BTW, apparently you don’t know that you too are anonymous. How’s that for stupid?
I Don Wannutono,
Well said and quite right.
Estovir, You use that “well said” crap too often.
Ano
Estovir,
******************
You have issues.
Issues? Man, you can’t write a coherent sentence.
Keep in mind farmer is an uneducated fool. Easily impressed with big words and silly opinions.
I may be uneducated but I am more intelligent than the annony. By the time I was 21 years of age, I was living on my own, making my own way in life.
Can you say the same, failure to launch annony?
Wow at 21 huh? Is that when they let you out of the asylum?
Wow! At 21 you left home? At 21, I had 3 years in the USMC, 2 tours in the Middle East. Took a bullet for America. saved countless lives.
And you think leaving home at 21 is a big deal. Please shut-up. Forever.
Well said Marine. Go to hell UpstateFarmer.
“wrong on the science”? Now what red blooded liberal would ever contradict the science?
Vincent (Estovir) Fauci doesn’t have to grovel to MAGA overlords.
Notice the MSN never said how many folks who may got CV during these protest.
But go to Church…
Notice what? Five years of MSN reporting, and you state they “never said” etc. What a stupid comment.
DustOff,
For me, it was the BLM riots and protests, people taking to the streets in celebration when Biden won the election.
Yet, a MSM reporter was having a mental meltdown when in 2021, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers won the Super Bowl, defeating Kansas City Chiefs and the reporter admonished to some police if they were going to stop Buccaneers fans from celebrating in the streets. You know, COVID.
More stupid farmer crap.
Fauxi is between a rock and a hard place. There is no way out. While you are atleast partly correct that some honesty and contrition on his part would go a long way towards muting public anger at him.
At the same time he faces very real threats. The rest of his lies are forgivable. But his involvement in Funding the research that likely lead to the lab leak in Wuhan and then trying to cover it up for almost a decade is not.
Aside from possible state and local prosecution – he could be prosecuted internationally
Further he is likely to require incredible security the rest of his life. Someone is likely to try and kill him.
I am not condoning that – but that does not change the possibility.
QUESTION: had Fauci answered the questions put to him in the Senate hearing, could those answers be used in a state-level investigations, considering that four state attorneys general in Florida (AG James Uthmeier), Louisiana (AG Liz Murrill), Alabama (AG Steve Marshall), and Oklahoma (AG Gentner Drummond) thus far are conducting these investigations?
They could try. But it is likely that the courts would throw out the use of testimony compelled because he was immunized.
While not exactly the same – look at the Cosby case.
I think the anonymous folks should take one of the names of anonymous and anonymous jr and anonymous III, etc. so we can figure out who is yapping.
A simpler solution is to ignore all the anonymous comments.
So why are you reading this?
Yapping? And what exactly is your comment?
Anyone who wishes to post a comment without logging in or otherwise presenting a verifiable identity is free to provide a consistent alias after clicking on the envelope icon at the bottom of the comment form. That is exactly what I do. The email furnished need not exist at all, it merely needs to be in legitimate email address format. So there is no excuse for anonymous posting other than pure obfuscation, and no need to follow your suggestion.
You do realize it’s not your blog. If you don’t like the commenting – noting that your comments aren’t worth reading, – then move on.
I Don Wannutono,
As I have stated in the past, the one upside with the annonys, is they put on full display of their immaturity, lack of knowledge, obvious low IQ and of course their failure to launch.
Yes, they are immature and seem to want feedback just so they can post negative replies to others who just want to have open discussions.
Really deep insight from a commenter with a 60 IQ.
Immaturity? Lack IQ? You and dustoff are the prime examples of stupidity. You can’t formulate a coherent sentence. Dustoff can’t write 3 words without screwing up.
Tell us about your colleges degrees?
” so we can figure out who is yapping.”
Anonymous trolls don’t want that. They are cowards. Anonymity protects them from their own stupidity, yet it provides them with an opportunity to criticize others without risking being shown to be stupid. They are not bright, so one can easily show them how foolish they are, but with anonymity they can run away without defending what they said. A good example is Sigmund the Fraud. He posts anonymously and runs away all the time. Sometimes his responses have a bit of truth, but that is rare, and the truth is off the mark.
Such absolute arrogance by Dr. Fauci. He gave medicine a black eye. It is difficult enough to develope rapport with patient’s and then have this strutting peacock come out and lie and coverup. It makes me ill.
I would love to see him convicted of lying in order to get some sort of justice for his misguided, wrong, and capricious actions and pronouncements but I reluctantly think this is all going to go nowhere. Unfortunately. Bringing it to light is likely all we are going to get.
He’s as old as you. You’ll be gone before anything happens. So enjoy your remaining time on earth. But get off the internet. Drink beer with friends and go fishing. Or sumptin.
GEB has lived a long and successful life, with many achievements.
You on the other hand are just a Gen Z, 30-something, failure to launch, still dependent on your parents for nearly everything. If anyone should get off the internet to actually contribute something useful, it would be you.
So somehow know GEB age?
Odd…
And you’re 74, with the mind of a worm.
GEB,
I agree.
The closest thing we may get if someone were to make a documentary, based off of Fauci’s email, diary, compare and contrast what he said vs what he wrote, a timeline of events to discredit him is the best we may get.
“The closest thing we may get if someone were to make a documentary”
I would hope that any such documentary would make plain the obvious parallels between Faschi and Josef Mengele.
You agree. To what? GEB just regurgitated his breakfast.
Upstate,
There are three other Fauci vulnerabilities:
First. Autopen’s pardons do not extend to state prosecutions even if valid. Those possibilities are being considered now.
Second. There may be ways for individuals, businesses, and state/local governments to find him personally liable for damages he caused. Many obstacles but still possible.
Third. Foreign jurisdictions may have civil and criminal cases against him. His possible offenses didn’t stop at the border. Maybe there is a Maduro argument here.
The one friend of ours who ‘died of Covid’ likely did not die of Covid but of the treatment protocol that Fauci among others forced on the country. He, our friend, was denied HCQ and steroids and sedated and given Remdesivir which is known to cause organ damage. He died of organ failure as did others in his same hospital. Everyone we know [including ourselves] who skipped the hospital and took HCQ or Ivermectin recovered very quickly. Two cases who were in the hospital and going down [one friend and one acquaintance] suddenly turned around and quickly recovered with Ivermectin. Fauci, the media, professional organizations, and others suppressed the use of well-known, approved medications in what some think was an effort to protect the experimental use of the Covid jab and enormous profits. Tens of thousands, maybe millions, appear to have died alone and needlessly.
Everyone dies of organ failure.
But biden lives on despite it
Young,
Seem like long shots. Not going to wait and hold my breath.
The thing about a documentary, be great if it was very popular and got a lot of views.
That alone would burst his ego bubble.
And, if he wanted to refute any of it, he would have to do it publicly and might have to answer some uncomfortable questions. Or questions at all. He could get some softball MSM interviews which would only highlight the gaslighting.
If he stayed silent or pleaded the 5th, for the rest of his days, he would have to sit there and fume.
Upstate,
True.
Not sure about a documentary, but one vehicle that might put the facts and circumstances in context might be for some enterprising researcher to integrate the Great Man’s own words from his diary into RFK, Jr.’s “The Real Anthony Fauci.” It might be as simple as feeding both sources to an AI agent and asking it to do the work. The combined result would no doubt be an interesting read.
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Excellent comment, GEB!
Lifetime presidential pardons extended to so many for undisclosed crimes regardless of the damage to the nation and loss of life. Meanwhile money and years wasted on a phony dossier intended to destroy a legitimately elected president and no one faces consequences. I hate these Marxist communists (DSA) pushing for change (the wrong change) but I can understand why their anger.
Consequences? The law works in mysterious ways. He’ll be dead soon enough and the history books (assuming there will be suck things in the future) will destroy his name.
Fauci must be held legally responsible for the deaths & suffering he caused the entire world! Biden’s autopen pardon isn’t worth the paper it’s written on!
Not worth the paper? It’s worth a lot more than a just paper. Your husband would love one of those.
Democrats have CONTEMPT for America
I mean how many examples do you need?
Examples? You haven’t given any.
Fauci is the current example, genius.
Just one example? That’s all?
The entire history of democrat welfare legislation was the first slap, it opened up the iteration of what was enumerated in the Cloward–Piven strategy and we see it attempted to be implemented with each utterance of a democrat. Now we have open communists and islamists gaining access to our positions of government because the progressive/communist indoctrination of so much of our younger generations through their death grip on our media/education industry.
So you’re saying Fauci is the linchpin to the C-P strategy? Just kidding. You realzie this thread is about Fauci, right? Come back once the LSD has worn off.
What he did to them poor dogs.
DustOff,
Okay, for that, put his head in a cage with those bugs for a week or so.
Give us an example of them not showing contempt.
Suppose he HAD answered truthfully and admitted the contraction, under the protection of the pardon. Then months later, the Pardon is found to be invalid. Would he then be able to be prosecuted with his own testimony as evidence? Or is this analogous to the “fruit of the poisoned tree”?
It doesn’t work that way. Because the pardon only covered a limited time and comments he made at the time. It does not protect him from new comments based on questions about his dairy. If any truthful comment contradicts what the diary says he CAN be charged with perjury. That was the purpose of the hearing, it was a perjury trap. Dr. Fauci had every reason to believe he was put in a position to commit a crime just by answering questions even if they were truthful. The best thing he could do and the correct one was to invoke his 5th amendment right to remain silent and not answer any questions.
Fauci “refusing to answer over a hundred questions . . .”
For a creature who brags about being the embodiment of “science,” he’s a coward. Which is typical of bullies.
If you were in Fauci’s place you would do the same. Assuming you have any smarts. You don’t.
Protecting himself and his chinese owners doesn’t make him smart, it makes him a treasonous coward, a democrat.
If I were smart and cared about anyone else in the US, I would have spoken, truthfully.
GFY
A hearty GFY to you too. Someone with your obvious subhuman intelligence would never had had a position or career such as Fauci’s. So STFU.
Yeah, no career shyster jobs for me, that’s true.
If I were in Fauci’s place, I would off myself, it is the least shameful option
You don’t need to be in Fauci’s place, just do it. No one will miss you.
That would be murder, child.
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Turkey could write the same for every criminal case. He could start off with the legal analysis, along with a clear understanding of why pleading the 5th is a good idea.
Then he can talk about how bad it is that the family doesn’t get answers as to why their child was dismembered and placed in a meat grinder.
We all always want more answers. Sometimes, we just don’t get what we want. Adults are supposed to understand that. Even FOX loyalists.
Gillotine, GILLOTINE!
If you’re going to call for someone’s death. You could at least get the spelling correct. It’s “Guillotine!”
Oh oh, grammar Nazis onboard!
Grammar and spelling are two very different things. But both spelling nazis and grammar nazis are welcome! They keep our spelling and grammar correct, which should be the norm in a free nation! Definitely needed in Republican ranks, to keep our side smart.
You could have at least punctuated your attack correctly.
Race war in progress folks! Batten down the hatches.
He’s having his period.
Awe. JT is trying to preserve his conservative credibility. He started with a legal summary and then appealed to emotion.
Shame on him.