Sgt. Joseph Chavalia has been acquitted in the SWAT case from Lima, Ohio. Prosecution experts in the trial of Chavalia concluded that the SWAT killed Tarika Wilson, 26, by shooting her in the neck and chest while she was on her knees, complying with their orders, and holding one of her children. Her one-year-old son was also shot and had to have a finger amputated. This is only the latest such controversy involving a SWAT team.
Prosecution experts found that Wilson had complied with orders but was shoot regardless, click here.
This trial occurred at the same time as the Minnesota SWAT team controversy, click here, and the Marlyand SWAT team controversy, click here.
Like those cases, this was a drug raid and in fact Wilson’s boyfriend, Anthony Terry, was arrested.
Wilson was unarmed and behind a door when Chavlia sprayed the door from the hallway.
Eleven officers raided the home.
For the latest on the story, click here.
From the article,: During closing, the officer’s defense attorney said to the all-white jury:
“”What kind of world would it be if we didn’t have police officers,” Kluge said. “Joe was doing his duty.”
This is objectionable and is merely code to the white jurors appealing to their fears. It had nothing to do with the case as no one suggested that convicting this officer would lead to a mass exodus from the force and I ‘m sure there was no evidence of it.The Judge should have stepped in here to denounce this obvious appeal to racial fears.
Mespo,
You are spot on with your comment about the “code words” used to get the jury to acquit. I wish I knew if the prosecution objected to this irrelevant statement by the defense attorney. I am still amazed that this kind of result when a black woman and her child are shot by police after complying with their orders. Aren’t the police supposed to be trained to know when to shoot and when not to shoot? Or are SWAT teams allowed to freely shot first and ask questions later? What would the result have been if this had been a white woman and a white baby shot? I have a stinking feeling that the officer would be doing time already! Remind me to stay out of Lima, Ohio.
Mespo,
Code it was indeed. The US public has been brainwashed by fifty years of Cop Shows on TV beginning with Dragnet. The movies of the 30’s and 40’s, especially Film Noir and many Westerns, showed a greater awareness of the reality of the police. It is true that many police personnel are exemplary public servants, however, there is also a large percentage that are in it for reasons other than seeking justice. TV’s Cop Show focus, while showing foibles at times, portrays police as the first line of defense against the anarchy of criminal society. People of color are generally portrayed via stereotypes that bear no resemblance to reality. Criminals are always depraved enemies of social stability.
In a country that harbors great suspicion about the efficacy of government, it is assumed by the general public that the police always act with propriety. A strange dichotomy explainable by the effects of propaganda. The fear engendered by these shows makes it possible for some police to literally get away with murder and for a man like Bush to wage illegal wars. Meanwhile a large percentage of the public watches their favorite shows and feels unspecified dread at the dangers of living their lives.
Drugs will kill ya.
dundar:
True but the cops aren’t supposed to–especially if you’re just a bystander.
Exactly, Mespo, and this cop shot a woman and a baby who just happened to be in the apartment at the time. What was his sorry excuse for this, “they just got in my way?” Imbecile. I won’t be planning to visit this little town in OH either. Sadly, there are too many other towns all across the U.S. just like it.
One Ohio town denied municipal water to black residents for decades because blacks “didn’t ask for it in the right way”. They since won an 11 million dollar discrimination award.
Ohio isn’t on my travel list either.
Attorney’s for the one year old should file criminal charges and violations of civil rights plus sue for wrongful death.
Pro bono anyone…
Jury acquitted the officer; end of discussion isn’t it?
Or is everybody here privy to more info than the jury saw & heard?
The government killing someone over drugs! I will never, ever understand the so-called War on Drugs. You can’t win such a war. It is stupid and a waste of resources. And of innocent lives. Want to control drugs? Make ‘em quasi-legal like alcohol is. Control production and distribution. Tax the hell out of drugs and use that for anti-drug education and for rehab. Free up the prisons for people who truly deserve it, not drug users and dealers.
Jury acquitted just like the men who killed Emmett Till, dundar.
“The day before the trial, Frank Young, a black farm worker, came to Howard’s home. He said that he had information indicating that Milam and Bryant had help in their crime. Young’s allegations sparked an investigation that led to unprecedented cooperation between local law enforcement, the NAACP, the RCNL, black journalists, and local reporters. The trial began on September 19. Moses “Mose” Wright, Emmett’s great-uncle, was one of the main witnesses called up to speak. Pointing to one of the suspected killers, he said “There he is,” to refer to the man who had killed his nephew.
Another key witness for the prosecution was Willie Reed, an 18-year-old high school student who lived on a plantation near Drew, Mississippi in Sunflower County. The prosecution had located him thanks to the investigation sparked by Young’s information. Reed testified that he had seen a pickup truck outside of an equipment shed on a plantation near Drew managed by Leslie Milam, a brother of J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant. He said that four whites, including J.W. Milam, were in the cab and three blacks were in the back, one of them Till. When the truck pulled into the shed, he heard human cries that sounded like a beating was underway. He did not identify the other blacks on the truck.
On September 23 the all-white jury, made up of 12 males, acquitted both defendants. Deliberations took just 67 minutes; one juror said, “If we hadn’t stopped to drink pop, it wouldn’t have taken that long.”[12] The hasty acquittal outraged people throughout the United States and Europe and energized the nascent Civil Rights Movement.” (from wikipedia entry)
whooliebacon,
Oberlin is nice but 5 miles out of it is way scarier than Lima!
DrugsCops will kill ya.There, fixed that for you.
If it were my daughter and grandchild I would be sitting in jail about now.
Bunch of cop haters here.
percy:
The cops I know and represent would never countenance the killing of innocents. They are better trained than this 32 year veteran bozo.
Let’s just ask bloated woodtick keith olbermann what he thinks. I hear he “fired” another journalist today from NBC that actually had the temerity to QUESTION the antics of Barry Obama…..
The journalist is now over at CNN, Dana Milbank has some choice words for the woodtick…
Percy,
I guess the facts got to difficult to deal with so you decided to change the subject. Good cops don’t kill innocent mothers and injure their baby, unless of course, they are black mothers and black babies. If that had been a Black officer and he had shot a white mother and a white baby, he would be in prison now. Dundar and Percy just don’t want blacks to have the same access to justice as whites do.
No, say it isn’t so! Another Zionist Jew, Dana Milbank hates Sen. Obama and went to work for the Zionist Jews that run CNN? I’m surprised that Zionist Jew owner of Fox didn’t hire him first.
When BAD cops shoot innocent civilians simply because of race, they will be harshly criticized. It’s just a shame he wasn’t convicted as he should have been.
“Bunch of bad cop haters here.”
There, fixed that for you.
Those who are outraged by this acquittal do not understand the law. The law has owners and to the extent that it works, it works for the owners, it does not work for those who like poor black people have no share in its ownership. Its purpose is to protect good (*ie white and respectable) people and punish bad people (ie black and/or poor). Its purpose is not to protect bad people or punish good people.
Tarika Wilson caused her own death by living with a drug dealer. If she knew he was a drug dealer she is criminally wicked for living with him, if she did not know then she is guilty of criminal naivity. In either case here death provides a righteous object lesson, do not live with drug users or dealers, the police will shoot you.
As for officer Sgt. Joseph Chavalia. He is a policeman. The job of police at the pointy end is one of low pay and low status. One cannot expect to fill such jobs with people of enough intelligence good judgement or good character to try to avoid shooting innocent people or to avoid mistaking the gunshots from the murder of the puppy dogs down stairs for lethal shots aimed at them. One cannot expect them to hesitate in shooting just because their target is objectively no threat to them.
The war against drugs is war, and a certain amount of collateral damage has to be accepted and in any case it is always entirely the enemies’ fault. Some people will point out that the collateral damage from the drug war is greater than that caused by the drugs. But this misses the important point, drugs are illegal not because they are harmful, but as are also witchcraft and heresy they are tainted with supernatural evil, EVIL EVIL! One cannot abandon paramilitary raids just because a few “innocent” Kathryn Johnsons or Taraka Williams get shot if there is a risk that as a result even one microgram of evidence gets flushed down the toilet.
Toss this in with all the taser murders that the cops have gotten away with in the last six months and you can almost read a message from the government to its citizens: “The Police State is a reality.”
Thank you for your co-operation.
Sad,
I think what you point out is part of what’s going on. Lima is just off I-75, the north-south drug run. Confiscated drug money arms police with military specs.
I really believe cheney and bush need to be impeached because their “leadership” has led to a lawlessness within law enforcement, justified by their war OF terror on “we the people”. They have not only allowed such lawlessness to go unchecked, they have set the system up to function precisely as it does. You’re right, “The Police State is a reality”.
Shouldn’t the victims’ family get some sort of compensation through a civil suit? It used to be that a young Black woman would have easily been worth $100; especially a fine lookin one with good teeth and that could produce children. I’m guessing with all the progress the US has made in the last 200 years, she’ll be worth at least $10 000 and let’s throw in $150 for the baby – to be generous.
Carlyle Moulton:
“The law has owners and to the extent that it works, it works for the owners, it does not work for those who like poor black people have no share in its ownership.”
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I assume your comment is tongue-in-cheek but you should make the proper distinction here. The law applies to all, hence the prosecution of this officer. The culprit here is not the law which does not dictate an outcome, but the members of the jury and the judge who allowed racial prejudice to creep in to the decision. The Judge should never have permitted an all-white jury to hear this case, and should have cowled the defense lawyer’s remarks. The jury acting out of fear and acquitted this man. The civil suit should be interesting and may achieve some measure of justice for this family. But blaming the law simply will not wash. But for the law (such as the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Brown v. Board of Educ., etc.), our country would look a lot more like 1958 instead of 2008.
zakimar:
I thought since 1865, human slavery and oppression was more a characteristic of your part of the world. When will your crowd get around to an emancipation proclamation for women and “non-believers”?
I can’t even fault you being a Zionist Jew for that propaganda, not even CNN or Fox is trying to spread that lunacy. But I see you ignore the oppression and racism of American Blacks as easily as you do others.
BTW, my part of the world has ALWAYS been freer and a better place to live than yours. Slaves would escape the US to come here. You only convince yourself and equally ignorant people.
I know I’ve said it before, but pick up a book once in a while. Reading will teach you a lot more than all your “writing”. I find that my two year old learns faster than you. And my four year old is already way out of your league in compassion, generosity AND manners.
We will all see who is more correct about America by who gets a larger settlement, the white Mayor who lost two black DOGS to the Police or the family of the woman and child who lost two Black PEOPLE to the Police.
How about a little wager, if it’s the white person, I’ll never post on this site again, and if it’s the Black family, you do the same. I look forward to you going the way of your partner bartlebee.
MESPO727272.
“but you should make the proper distinction here. The law applies to all, hence the prosecution of this officer.”
That is the kind of pious statement that lawyers and naive people make, it is also unadulterated bovine excrement. The law is what the law does and any disinterested observer such as one from a far away galaxy would see that the most powerful contributing factor to the law’s outcomes is prejudice. Cases such as that of Tarika Wilson are not rare aberations, they are the norm when white cops kill “innocent” black people.
The law applies to all to the extent that their race, class and wealth entitle them and not one jot further, hence the result in this case, anyone who seriously expected something different is out of touch with reality.
And “out of touch” with justice.
“No, say it isn’t so! Another Zionist Jew, Dana Milbank hates Sen. Obama and went to work for the Zionist Jews that run CNN? I’m surprised that Zionist Jew owner of Fox didn’t hire him first.”
Zak,
40% of CNN is owned by Saudi’s. Now unless you believe that the Saudi’s are in league with Israel, how does that make CNN a “Zionist Jew” network?
“BTW, my part of the world has ALWAYS been freer and a better place to live than yours.”
Well I don’t remember lately how the USA and Europe had given no rights to 50% of their population, dictated the clothing they wear, executed women for being raped, cut off the hands of thieves, etc. I am certainly no jingoist for the US, or for the actions of racists, but your statement is absurd.
“I know I’ve said it before, but pick up a book once in a while. Reading will teach you a lot more than all your “writing”.”
Reading will do wonders I agree, but your reading seems to focus on propaganda that only agrees with your original mindset. That is not self education, that is self justification and gratification. You appear to excel in that area, which is a pity, since you probably are an intelligent person. However, as intelligent as a person may be does not protect them from being ignorant.
CNN is 40% owned by Saudis, and they couldn’t find one Sunni Muslim to work on the network? I wonder when America will start seeing 40% Muslims in the media industry; Jews are already the majority, even though they comprise 2% of the population. I guess the Muslims are more democratic in their hiring practices than are the Jews.
It wouldn’t matter to me too much that these Jews are all Zionists, but when they only hire their own so that no dissenting opinion can be given (all 175 of Murdoch’s outlets speak with one opinion, his), their monopoly is far more threatening to America than Standard Oil, AT&T or Microsoft.
RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World and 175 media outlets.
SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, “world’s biggest media giant” (Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.
SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications, includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group, includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement; American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes.
LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.
MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.
MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets
MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations
JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner
NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News
JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC
DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News
MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.
MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS
DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS
JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS
DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS
SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment
LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment
BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.
SHERRY LANSING. President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of Paramount Pictures’ Motion Picture Group.
HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.
BRAD SIEGEL., President, Turner Entertainment.
PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch’s News. Corp., owner of Fox TV
MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his “mentor.”
ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe and other publications.
WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.
TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post. Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring “anti-Israel media.”
RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post
JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe
NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.
ARIE FLEISCHER, Dubya’s press secretary.
STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet’s first choice as an expert on domestic terrorism.
DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times network of “alternative weeklies.”
DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund
KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker
BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal Entertainment
KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch
RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer and Bill O’Reilly.
TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.
MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL
WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL- TimeWarner
JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment
JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2
SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment
GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment
STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks
JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks
DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks
LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment
JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment
MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC’s “Good Morning Miami”
DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC’s “Good Morning Miami”
HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America
AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures
JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann’s American operations
ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications
BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment
IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications
WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN’s Late Edition
LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live
TED KOPPEL, host of ABC’s Nightline
ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter
PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host
MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes
BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC’s 20-20
MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review
BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week
DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of Philip Graham
CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post
HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek
WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director
Project for a New American Century (PNAC)
RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle
PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,
RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)
JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)
DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has Israeli flag on his home page.
BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.
ANDREW LACK, president of NBC
DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins
DAVID REMNICK, Editor, The New Yorker
NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York
HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker
DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.
PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron’s
RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.
LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group that also owns CNN
Fell free to add all the anchors, reporters, columnists and talking heads that are not on this list.
I wish the above was just a figment of my imagination, but it’s a nightmare that all of America has to endure, for now. So wake up and start your boycotts, petitions and make any of your non-Zionist Congressman (that’s a shorter list) do something about this monopoly.
This sad case is just one of the results of several ongoing trends: (1) the over-criminalization of drugs and drug-related activity, (2) the over-militarization of the civilian police force, and (3) the hyper-sensitivity or over-charged atmosphere that is part of the over-militarization. Throw in some SWAT team mission creep and this is what you get. The Tarika Wilsons of the world are just “collateral damage” in a civil war. I don’t see a lot of political will for any reform. So, look for more of this as the new norm.
Michael Sindell:
Zakimar is your garden variety anti-Semite and arguing with him is like teaching that proverbial pig to sing. He has no interest in debate just bloviation, and blaming the world’s problems from crop failures to armed conflict on a caricature of a people he knows little about but upon whom he claims omniscience. He may be ‘intelligent ‘ in the same was the fascist’s got the trains to run on time, but if we judge him by what he habitually does (as Aristotle suggested) we can only conclude that he is a bigot and unworthy of either respect or attention. For anyone to seriously say that his part of the world is freer than the USA, even with our current Administration, demonstrates a breathtaking divorce from reality, or an ideology so steeped in parochialism as to be almost paranoia.
Zak,
Thanks for your last listing, your true feelings come through. Most of the information you post here comes from JewWatch, which is a virulently anti-Jewish website. Great research on your part. It is a site that caters to your pre-judgments. One difference between you and me is that I don’t see all Muslims as terrorists and in fact believe Islam has many positive ideas. You on the other hand really are anti-Jewish. Awash in prejudice, motivated by anger, you see the world through tunnel-vision. A pity because your ignorance trumps your intelligence. Try the link below to learn about Jewish control of the media. Of course its probably written by a Jew, which in your mind would make it suspect.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1365
Mespo,
As usual you are right. I had hopes for awhile that he might not be that far gone, but it’s clear he only poses on the fringes of reasonableness. He is clearly a bigot and after this I won’t waste my time.
Carlyle Moulton:
“the law is what the law does…”
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So I should take from that statement that the group of criminal defendants I saw today, most of whom pled guilty, were atypical of the system and the one case you cite in one tiny jurisdiction is the norm. Sorry the stats don’t bear out your conclusion. By the way, many of the defendants I saw were people of color and many of their victims were white. The reverse was also present and not one Judge asked about anyone’s ethnicity before accepting all of the pleas. In addition, there were many black officers filing complaints against both black and white defendants, and the reverse was true as well.
All in all your statements have the ring of someone whose vast knowledge comes from reading extremist propaganda, and not from someone who’s been there. You are indeed the master of drawing generalized conclusions from one glaring bad example, which of course puts you in such fine company as zakamir. The exception does not establish the rule, it merely proves errors will happen in any human system.
Finally, I would not so cavalierly dismiss a system of justice that has kept you free and happy. For a change of pace, try a walk around zakamir’s world and insult Allah by word or cartoon, and then offer me a comparison. At that point you might actually see what is bovine waste product and what is not –that is of course assuming you could tell the difference.
Ah an all white jury. Of course. As a fellow white woman I can’t stand it when white people make excuses for things like this. The woman was doing what they said and was doing nothing more than protecting her baby. As a fellow woman if I had a one year old child with me in a situation like that I’d do the same thing.
RIP Ms Wilson. 
If this SWAT guy wasn’t on SWAT he’d be convicted of murder with capitol punishment.
(Percy,
I guess the facts got to difficult to deal with so you decided to change the subject. Good cops don’t kill innocent mothers and injure their baby, unless of course, they are black mothers and black babies. If that had been a Black officer and he had shot a white mother and a white baby, he would be in prison now. Dundar and Percy just don’t want blacks to have the same access to justice as whites do.)
Good cops don’t do that period. I’m studying criminal justice in college and plan on doing homicide and I’m not a bad person. I don’t like guns, tasers, pepper spray, mace etc. This sort of incident goes back to the department leadership as well. Are the SWAT team properly trained? Do they have drug and psyche evaluations? Is the leadership strong on rules and regulations? If you have leadership who doesn’t care you’re going to have officers whether SWAT, patrol etc. who don’t care as well. Everyone should have the same justice. If it was up to me this SWAT guy would get life in prison without parole and his family wouldn’t get any money from his pension or benefits since he did commit a crime.
Oh I also wanted to add I was just thinking this type of incident shows me even more that we as a society are going in the wrong direction of crime and punishment. We’re all about revenge justice and when that happens we (as a society) don’t care how that happens and if innocent people like Ms Williams and her baby get hurt/killed in the process. We as a society need to change our attitudes about that and when we do that than our officers and police departments will do that too. The “War on Drugs” is a joke and needs to be done away with. I’m glad that nobody in any of my criminal justice classes are for it. Everyone I’ve had classes with thinks it’s a joke and useless and a waste of money that can be used in other areas. For those of you tired of this type of injustices get involved in your local elections for sheriff, judges, mayor, etc. The only way change is going to happen is if we make it.
Even if everyone in this case were brought to some type of justice, the damage to free society by events like this cannot be undone. I mean this in the broadest sense.
Society is now accepting of a paramilitarized civilian police force.
Society is becoming quieter and quieter when confronted by outright and obvious government abuses, including the execution of citizens.
Dissent is being silenced.
Reality is being reframed, rewritten, and restated to us. And many accept it.
I see no end to these offenses, nor who they will be perpetrated upon.
Once again, when I respond to lies with facts, they are dismissed as “anti-Semitic”. What a clever argument. It is only swallowed by monkeys however, and monkeys aren’t the people I’m trying to reach.
It is not anti-Semitic to suggest that if your “fact” that Saudis own 40% of CNN yet they hire 0% Arabs and a majority of Jews (please see the list above), that the Muslims are more democratic in their hiring practices than are the Jews.
I got this kind of nonsense when I was debating in University, and I never lost in such a debate. So anyone who feels that ignoring or shouting down the points is being clever, ignorance is bliss and you must be the happiest person alive.
zak:
“I got this kind of nonsense when I was debating in University, and I never lost in such a debate.”
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That must have been one lonely lecture hall.
Another debate worthy response, if you went to Clown College.
mespo727272
“All in all your statements have the ring of someone whose vast knowledge comes from reading extremist propaganda, and not from someone who’s been there.”
Well if news reports of the deaths of Amadou Diallo, Sean Bell and Tarika Wilson and of the acquittal of their killers constitute extremist propaganda.
“So I should take from that statement that the group of criminal defendants I saw today, most of whom pled guilty, were atypical of the system and the one case you cite in one tiny jurisdiction is the norm.”
They pled guilty, does that mean that all of them did perform actions constituting the crime to which they pled. You yanks use the corrupt system of plea bargaining whereby the prosecutor can make credible threats of convicting the defendant on a charge carrying a life wrecking penalty if he/she refuses the plea offer with the tolerable penalty. 95% of cases end in a plea leaving the prosecutors to spend their resources on the recalcitrant few unwise enough to risk trial perhaps because they did not perform the acts of the crime.
If the vaunted presumption of innocence actually existed going to trial might be a reasonable option but instead most facing a criminal court face the presumption of guilt in the minds of jurors from the respectable classes. These worthy people arrive at court with not only their prejudices against colored and poor people but a desire to help the good guys put away the bad guys raised to fever pitch by years of tabloid and television spreading of moral panic, righteous hate and fear.
I suggest to read Nate Blakeslee’s book on the scandalous Tulia cocaine busts or at least his articles in the Texas Observer. Observe what happened to those poor niggers when they trusted to the court and plead not guilty before a jury of the righteous white citizens of Swisher County just because they had not sold any cocaine to Tom Coleman. Sentences of mind-boggling visciousness, 25 years, 40 years, 60 years. Not surprisingly later defendants took pleas.
Pleading not guilty in a US criminal court is to take a dangerous risk.
Zakimar,
About your Zionist news conspiracy: First I’d like to know your sources for the fact that everyone on that list is a “Zionist Jew.” I doubt you personally had the time to go and research every single name on the list thoroughly, so it seems like it probably came from somewhere and I’d like to know how reliable and unbiased the source material is.
I can’t find a single listing of CNNs employees on their website, so how do you even know that they hire 0% Arabs? Sure their public face might be sadly lacking in that respect, but look at who their target audience is, Americans want their news reporters to look a certain way. That’s slowly changing, but the turn over in major networks is pretty slow. However the fact that the public face looks a certian way doesn’t mean that everyone in the entire company fits that profile. You’d be hard pressed to find enough people with news anchor looks that want to be in the HR department, selling advertising time, or translating news items into and from Arabic. For every one face you see on the news there’s a battalion of support.
Gyges,
Google JewWatch and check out the site. you’ll see his sources and you can judge their credibility for yourself. In any event Saudi’s do own 40% of CNN, despite who they put on the air and if Ruppert Murdoch
is Jewish I’m going to discuss his excommunication with my Rabbi.
Carlyle Moulton
“Well if news reports of the deaths of Amadou Diallo, Sean Bell and Tarika Wilson and of the acquittal of their killers constitute extremist propaganda.”
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Come now Carlyle you know better than most that three examples do not prove even a trend, much less a universal fact. Egregious results do not prove that the system as a whole works that way. Yanks or not, we can make logical deductions and spot a hasty generalization when we see one.
Mespo727272.
Only 3 names because those are the ones that are stuck in my memory, but Google any one of them and the search list will lead you to many more since they will appear in already collected lists of police shootings and subsequent acquittals. For example I just googled with the following search string “”Amadou Diallo” “Sean Bell” “Tarika Wilson”" to get a 10 hit list. This one of them relates to New York city only.
Mespo727272
Correction to the link in my previous post, It should have beenthis one
Mespo727272.
A correction to my previous post, the link should have been this one .
Gyges; If it were true that CNN just wants to keep their viewers happy because, “Americans want their news reporters to look a certain way”, then I would think the more than 1/3 of the US population that is either Hispanic, Black, or Asian wouldn’t mind looking at some of their own faces rather than another Caucasian or Jew. I don’t think too many people find too much aesthetic value to the faces of Larry King, Wolf Blitzer, Gary Tuchman or Bob Franken.
But I couldn’t careless who the networks decide to be the “face” of the news, I care more about who controls the stories. Next time you’re watching any of the media outlets on the list above, especially Fox and CNN, listen to the language that the reporters are reading from the teleprompter. Israeli official STATES vs. Palestinian official CLAIMS; Palestinians KIDNAP or ABDUCT two Israeli vs. Israel DETAINS or CAPTURES Arabs; Arabs MURDER Israelis vs. Israelis KILLS Arabs; and the ever prevalent Palestinians ATTACK vs. Israelis RETALIATE. Can you find a SINGLE case on Fox or CNN of Arabs RETALIATE to Israeli ATTACK/AGGRESSION?
The bias is not only in the hiring of the anchors and Reporters, it’s also of the Editors and Writers. Watch the Talking Heads on every night, not just on Fox, CNN and other “news” stations, but even shows like The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, Real Time etc, well over 75% of the “experts” or guests are Jews (Zionist or otherwise). All Americans should be concerned about this sort of monopoly because it leads to this sort of institutionalized racism.
Police shot and killed a teen on Saturday, and on Sunday (yesterday) there was a riot in protest, not in Maryland, Minnesota or Ohio, but in Quebec. What these incidents require is a lot more civil disobedience and media attention.
Zakimar,
Again, how do you know that 75% of the experts are Jewish?
I personally can’t tell a Jewish person just by looking at them. One of my sister in laws has blond hair and blue eyes and another is from Trinidad, both are Jewish. Sammy Davis Jr. was also Jewish. He looks nothing like either of them. None of the three bears even a passing resemblance to Einstein. It can’t be last names, so many people in the media use fake names. Also interfaith marriages are on the rise, and many families names were “Americanized” when they immigrated. So how do you know?
You do have a point that our media is much more sympathetic towards one of our countries main allies than towards the allies enemies. I’m sure the same thing has happened with the English and the French and their enemies (I can even think of a time when it got us involved in a war). You have yet to convince me that it rises to the level of conspiracy and is not just regular biased journalism.
All 87 names are WELL known Jews, if you don’t know that somehow, pick ANY name and Google it. It’ll take all of 5 seconds. You and four other Zionists are the only ones who have a problem with the list, and your buddy MS who admits to being a Jew states these names are from a website of Jews.
2% of the US population should not control that much of ANY one industry.
“and your buddy MS who admits to being a Jew states these names are from a website of Jews.”
Zak,
You know that’s a lie. Your info is from http://www.jewwatch.com, which is not a website of Jews, it’s a highly anti-Jewish website.
“2% of the US population should not control that much of ANY one industry.”
I would think you would be very comfortable with that since you support many Islamic States where 2% of the population controls not just the media, but the whole country and its’ wealth. Perhaps indeed since you have a perfect life and are a man of means you’re one of that Islamic 2%.
Zakimar,
I googled Richard Murdoch, the FIRST name on your list. Then I went through the first 2 pages of links that came up, did a word search for “Zionist” and “Jew.” The only thing that came up was a mention of Obama having a problem with the Jewish vote in Florida.
So I ask again, what is your source for this list of names?
Excuse me I googled Rupert Murdoch. I have no idea where that Richard came from.
Learn to use Google. I searched Rupert Murdoch Jew and nothing but came up. The fact that he may be a Crypto-Jew and that both his daughters married Jews probably means nothing to you. MS has told you over and over again; go to his web-link, ALL the names can be found there.
And as far as Jews not being a race, there is a GENETIC disease that is common to European JEWS, it’s call Tay-Sachs. The last I checked, there was no genetic diseases that could be isolated by religion.
BTW, Gyges, which of those six US soldiers that raped and murdered a 14 year old and 7 year old girl was your “family” and which were merely “friends”?
And my apologies as to being insensitive to the needs of Gyges as I forgot to reference my sources:
The 14 year old girl that was gang raped, burned and murdered by your “friends and family” was Abeer Qassim al-Janabi;
her 34 year old mother was named Fakhriyah;
her 45 year old father was named Qasim;
and her 7 year old sister Hadil.
The six “friends and family” of Gyges that came to Iraq to bring this little girl ‘Freedom, Democracy, Horror, Rape and Death’ were Jesse SPIELMAN, Steven GREEN, Bryan HOWARD, James Barker, Paul Cortez, Anthony Yribe.
References:
raedinthemiddle (a ME website was the only one I could find that fully detailed the atrocities)
CNN couldn’t bother naming the parents and sister or indicating that the sister was 7 years old
MSNBC didn’t bother to list the age of the sister either and continuously referred to the 14 year old as “the woman”.
Fox didn’t think the story was that important.
I guess I can’t have any sympathy for 7 year old and 14 year old girls who are brutalized and murdered , because I have a “perfect” life and those foreigners weren’t my friends or family. Some people have no conscience and are beneath contempt.
Its time to stand up and tell our city leaders that we will no longer sit by and accept without question the lawless actions of rogue police officers. We have moved our law enforcement into a full para-military group. Our silence is our approval. This is just one of a recent avalanche of police officers getting away with violating the law and our civil rights. Most definitely the family of the mother and child should file wrongful death suits against the officer and the city. I usually am against the Feds coming in after the fact and filing further charges against an acquited defendant, but if that is what its going to take to ensure justice and a message, then so be it.
DEEZNUTZ:
Thank you for visiting from the pre-historic period. Why don’t you get your white hood, Bible, and “blankie” and just ease on back to the past. That way some African American kids won’t scare you back into the stone age first for mouthing these stupid insults that probably got passed to you from the Neanderthals that raised you. Seig Heil!
Mespo,
I would hope that Deeznutz’s posting could be removed since it is patently offensive. I do have to suggest one correction. I think stating that Deeznutz was raised by neanderthals is an affront to Neanderthals.
Indeed. Think a much smaller brain and no advanced tool skills.
Australopithecus.
Zakimar:
Aristotle said of your people over 2,000 years ago that you cant expect a nomadic goat herder to be civilized. Seems some things just dont change.