The Justice Department is once again being threatened with contempt of court after United States District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan found that they withheld evidence from the defense that a witness in a “significant” number of cases was mentally disturbed. Judge Sullivan found that the testimony of the detainee was unreliable, could be challenged in other cases, and could be the basis for a possible contempt order against the government.
In the wake of the Stevens case, this ruling in the case of Aymen Saeed Batarfi, a Yemeni doctor, received little attention. However, like Stevens, the Justice Department has announced that it would no longer seek to detain the doctor. As in Stevens, the move appears to protect the Justice Department from further judicial inquiry over the misconduct of government officials and, also like the Stevens case, there is no indication that the responsible officials will be disciplined or fired.
In the hearing, Sullivan stated “To hide relevant and exculpatory evidence from counsel and from the court under any circumstances, particularly here where there is no other means to discover this information and where the stakes are so very high . . . is fundamentally unjust, outrageous and will not be tolerated . . . How can this court have any confidence whatsoever in the United States government to comply with its obligations and to be truthful to the court?”
Judge Sullivan refused to allow the government to continue to play games with the system and called its actions “still another ploy . . . to continue with his deprivation of his fair day in court.” He ordered review of the case every 14 days and threatened to impose a contempt sanction if the Justice Department continued to violate federal rules.
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Although apologists for the Bush administration will undoubtedly consider this a stretch, I firmly believe that the prosecutorial abuses described are a direct result of the administration’s entire approach to terrorism:
1. Round up as many people as possible, using bounties if necessary to finger potential miscreants.
2. Place them in locations, including Guantanamo and elsewhere, where they are isolated and unable to communicate.
3. Secure legal opinions from pre-screened, friendly lawyers authorizing torture as a legitimate interrogation method.
4. Flood the DOJ with lawyers who have met ideological requirements, regardless of their academic backgrounds or commitment to the rule of law.
5. Create evidence to justify the detentions, even if it is suspect or the product of torture.
6. Devise methods predicated on “national security” grounds to prevent the disclosure of the evidence to the detainees or their counsel.
When all of these ingredients are mixed together, the result is what we see now, a highly politicized DOJ and out-of-control prosecutors, a thoroughly discredited justice system, and a population of detainees held for years without charges and without legal justification for their imprisonment. It will be years before we know the extent of the damage and years more to undo it. Pres. Obama needs to appoint a special prosecutor without any further delay so that we can start unraveling the mess and take the moral lead in war crimes prosecution.
Seconded.
Psst. Obama! That “taking the moral lead” thing? You should really look into that if you’re interested in repairing our international standing.
Judge Sullivan, I salute you. You and others like you are the thin robed line between the people and an out of control executive branch.
I call shenanigans. This is the same DOJ that wishes to imprison Binyam Mohamed’s lawyer for “leaking classified documents” the content of which was the header of his letter to Obama detailing the torture Mr. Mohammed and other detainees were subjected to under Obama’s “leadership”. The DOD redacted the contents of the letter before sending it on to Obama so he could maintain implausible deniability regarding its contents.
The Obama govt. is engaging in a level of secrecy that rivals and in some cases surpasses that of cheneybush. Threatening one lawyer with jail for no real reason other than to protect the executive and send a message to anyone else who might dare to question the actions of Obama, while protecting the actions of those who engaged in his unlawful bidding–this should alarm people. If these were the actions of a President McCain there would be no silence on the left concerning the wrongness of these actions. Principles do not change because of leaders. Obama and his DOJ are threatening the rule of law in this nation. They have failed to prosecute where mandatory prosecutions exists: 1. for war crimes 2. for financial crimes.
Their argument Friday, on the ability to spy on our citizens, (described by Glenn Greenwald in his column of yesterday), goes beyond claims made by Bush.
The treatment of our prisoners in Gitmo is illegal, immoral and it will blowback in our face. If we do not care about the disparity of justice for the poor/helpless verses the rich/connected then we have abandoned our own Constitution and our own conscience. There are too many ways this govt. works in secret against our citizens. We have to stand firm, look at things squarely for what they are, and take action to protect the heart of what used to make this a great nation–the rule of law.
Great. The mentally ill declaring others mentally ill.
Robert Wales:
From the original artcle:
The government censored parts of the records, but enough has been made public that it’s clear that the witness, a fellow detainee, was being treated weekly for a serious psychological problem and was questioned about whether he had any suicidal thoughts.
Please expand your post. To whom are you referring? What is your issue with following the Constitution?
Yasher koach, Professor Turley.
God bless you, Sir. God bless us every one.
For the victims of open-pit burning at Nellis Air Force Base and all those that suffer under the mantle of U.S. violence.
Peace of the Eternal Be on All of You.
Merci pour votre attention.
rcampbell
My issue with law is that it is wholly corrupt. For each article you read about some judge ‘standing up’ there are thousands of transgressions being committed against innocent people. As a clinical psychologist, retired young, I became sick seeing the number of good people coming into my consult room in NYC who were utterly destroyed by some dopey lawyer colluding or leading a pea-brained judge to someones destruction. The level of payola was astounding as well as simple favors being traded, ie.,accontants, additional lawyers and all the other slime that lurk in the bowels of the justice buildings in this good country. The US has been smothered by law and the empty words they use to feather their own nests. I view law and its practitioners as evil, dysfunctional, self-serving and a complete waste of time. As for the Constitution, we no longer have one. It has been beaten down over time and finally and formally retired by Bush & Co. And, even here, we had lawyers protecting the ruin of the precious constitution with ‘signing statements’. Give it a name and it is ok in law? Paraphrasing Jefferson; the evil the government does far outweighs the harm of any one individual. I am for the abolishing of law altogether. People are better than the law – just as they are. I would rather deal with the street king than a cop, judge or any attorney. While I do enjoy Jonathan Turley and his constitutional arguments, I feel he is an isolated case, a bubble-boy and rendered meaningless in that if he does take a case, he is such a celebrity that his cases are atypical in that they are actually followed by the public and the media. The cases I speak of are the thousands and thousands of unimportant-but-decent-people who get rolled in a dark room with a judge, a couple of boot-licking attorneys and a cop with a gun there to make certain ‘all goes well’. And all venerated with American flags and plaques of the state or county present to shore up the bogus activities of the court. I apologize for being a bit strong here but I have so much personal experience with people after attorneys destroy them that I honestly no longer have any feelings for them – at all. Use to. Lost it. After all, I was he guy who had to deal with them for months and years to try to re-establish some sense of order in their lives. Once faith in law was gone, they hated eberything and everyone. I found it all very disturbing-obviously. And so many good children ruined, just collateral fodder to some case or another. Kids and women permanently locked out from the american dream because some lowly lawyer nedd to make a car payment or get those dopey alligator shoes the bigtime attorneys wear. What kind of people are these?
If they are people at all. I know you are seeking some technical argument-as readers of this site often are-my position is one of humanity not of citations. The mind of the attorney seeks to discredit, find a typo, anything and then reduce a human to an object and kill them. I would like to see all attorneys shipped to Iraq and put into combat regardless of age, gender, race. Let them fend for themselves in an environment they do not understand. Let them see how the average person feels in a courtroom. Even our precious constitution states article, the 14th I think, against cruel and unusual punishment. The courts routinely mete out the most cruel and unnecessary findings, think themselves sterile and above their work. And so, when I read one good deed by some judge, I can only think of all the times he/she/it crushed some poor soul wholly absent of the anonymity of the black robe. Judges are egomaniacal, self-serving and get their asses kissed so often they think they are truly gifted. The only good thing about the economy crashing is that attorneys are feeding upon themselves in new and creative ways. And that is a good thing. Perhaps the beginning of the end of the perversion of justice.
“….If they are people at all. I know you are seeking some technical argument-as readers of this site often are-my position is one of humanity not of citations. The mind of the attorney seeks to discredit, find a typo, anything and then reduce a human to an object and kill them. I would like to see all attorneys shipped to Iraq and put into combat regardless of age, gender, race. Let them fend for themselves in an environment they do not understand.”
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I am relieved to hear that yours is the humanitarian position else I would have thought you a maniacal fool who incessantly contradicts his own words a sentence or two later.
mespo
This is too fine a conversation for a mind like yours.
Mr. Wales
I infer from the recent post that someone does not like lawyers. However a good lawyer can keep you out of trouble. My father in-law and his partner are very decent people and advocate for their clients to the best of their ability.
I think you are a tad too hard on lawyers in general and need to limit your condemnation to those you know are inadequate.
I have been told by more than one MD that psychologists know just enough to be dangerous but that dosent mean that all are bad. Like every profession you have some good, some not so good and some truly bad.
You have had the misfortune to observe the legal profession with all of its “warts”.
rofl
Now THAT’S funny!
Oh, wait, you were serious?
rolfmao
If your choice is to slander mespo’s intellect, you have pitiful target selection in addition to a conflicted style of presentation. A weak ad hominem and condescendingly elitist retort after a serious round of contradictory doublespeak . . . that’s just plain sad. Now where was that Ph.D. from again? Oh yeah, it’s from the school that defines “humanitarian” as “I would like to see all attorneys shipped to Iraq and put into combat regardless of age, gender, race.” I’m betting you’re a Regents grad.
Buddha:
I dont think he is a Regents grad, otherwise he would have praised Bush and Co. Although it could be a diversionary tactic.
Mr. Wales, I find your comments extremely distressing and, well, despairing. I have practiced law for thirty-five years. Although that has included representation of large entities and extremely wealthy people from time to time, the vast majority of my practice has involved assisting middle class individuals and small businesses in the normal daily struggles against liars, cheaters and assorted con artists. I have experienced many frustrations in that endeavor and have dealt with more than my share of deceitful lawyers, incompetent judges and indifferent public officials. But I have never doubted the importance of the effort. When I do feel sorry for myself, I remember a small case I handled almost thirty years ago. A young single mother was referred to me as a legal aid client. She had spent her last $1,500.00 on a used car. Of course, the car had died within a few days of its purchase. She could not get to her job without a vehicle and the dealer had refused to even speak with her. I sued, we won and all of her money was recovered. I didn’t make a dime, but I have never forgotten the gratitude she expressed. She made me understand for the first time what it means to be a lawyer. More importantly, that young woman came away with a renewed confidence in the law and in herself. She knew that she was not powerless, that justice does have meaning and that it is not a commodity sold to the highest bidder, unless we let it be. If this sounds maudlin, so be it. But the law is all we have in the end. So I’ll continue to believe and, when I get frustrated (which will probably be by mid-morning tomorrow), I’ll try to remind myself why I’m doing this (other than because I’m not qualified to do anything else). Since you are a clinical psychologist, I know you understand the symptoms of depression. Maybe you just need a break.
Bron, MD means they are schooled in the physical aspects of the patient-not the mental. ps. I graduated from Northwestern. You’ve probably never heard of it.
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Mike, I appreciate your story. And I realize there are good lawyers out there. But they are few and far between as the system drags them down. Perhaps you could say the same about my discipline. However, I am certain, having practiced for some time now, you are painfully aware of how many good people wind up nearly destitute from the adversarial nature of law. I too have counselled a great many of these in my practice and have been deeply disappointed in how heavy-handed the courts can be in simple cases where a computer might have better served all the parties involved. The courtroom is theatre for law, the players introject their needs into the needs of the case in ways that undermine the proces entirely. Frequently the attorneys are more knowledgable in the subject matter than the judge, ten times more motivated and a hundred times better compensated. You need more oversight in your business.
Brilliant, brilliant Dr. Wales. I can attest to much of what you have disclosed regarding the inept legal system and even more dysfunctional and maladaptive attorneys who parasitize the sick and mentally ill in order to satiate there own egocentrism.
Brilliant. Brilliant Dr. Wales. You are spot on!
I love to listen to Buddha’s verbose nonsense, I wonder if he believes half of what he says and can even understand the mumbo-jumbo that erupts from his pie hole.
I love trolls trying the false consensus tactic.
Time
and
time
again.
Try harder. You’re still losing.
Losing what? If you win, do get a free pass to Magic Mountain or better still a family coupon to Fuddrucker’s.
The good doctor of psychology edifies us that:
“I would like to see ALL attorneys shipped to Iraq and put into combat regardless of age, gender, race. Let them fend for themselves in an environment they do not understand. Let them see how the average person feels in a courtroom. Even our precious constitution states article, the 14th I think, against cruel and unusual punishment.{ah, that would be the 8th Amendment to your “precious Constitution.”] The courts routinely mete out the most cruel and unnecessary findings, think themselves sterile and above their work. And so, when I read one good deed by some judge, I can only think of all the times he/she/it crushed some poor soul wholly absent of the anonymity of the black robe.” [commentary and emphasis added]
and a then a few posts later:
“And I realize there are good lawyers out there.”
My, my, how to reconcile the two contradictory statements:
1. Robert Wales is an overgeneralizing, blubbering sentimentalist with no idea of what he’s talking or a slanderous knave with some personal axe to grind.
2. Robert Wales is intentionally pulling our leg with these nonsensical statements.
3. Robert Wales is auditioning for the role of Dr. Cornelia Wibur in the remake of “Sybil.” Joanne Woodward was much better I suspect:
I’ll vote #1.
Come up with some new tactics, geniuses. You are starting to bore me.
Buddha, I think I need to give up. You seem to have an implanted troll radar. I routinely take these guys seriously, attempt to respond in kind and wind up with nothing to show for the effort. Maybe I should wait for you to vet some of these posts before I weigh in.
If Mr. Wales thinks that all lawyers should be sent to Iraq to serve in the armed forces, why stop there? Why shouldn’t all doctors and PHD’s be sent there as well? And are you suggesting that a war that was started over lies promulgated by George W. Bush and Co., should be used as a punishment for what you deem are the problems of our Justice system? Isn’t that insulting our troops that have fought and died there?
To state that there are only a few good lawyers is not only incorrect, but foolish. As a man of science, how did you test your hypothesis and what evidence was uncovered to bring you to your radical and sick outcome?
Finally, your wish for absolutely no laws is a brilliant one. Because as you state,”People are better than the law – just as they are. I would rather deal with the street king than a cop, judge or any attorney.” I think our country has dealt with “street kings”. A more precise title might be organized crime boss. That is a very enlightened view of the state of the country especially coming from a Northwestern grad. Maybe you can get some help for your problem.
Mespo. You have successfully auditioned for and won the coveted role of biggest windbag. Looks like your buddy Buddha may have to pass the baton!
Uh-oh, I think all the ambulance chasers got there panties in a bunch over this one. I love it! My cousin went to Northwestern and received her PH.D. in Clinical Psychology and chairs the Psych. Department at a major midwestern university. She is also published and I can attest that this University is not for the faint of heart. Rock on Dr. Wales!
Centurion, although you undoubtedly do not understand this, lawyers are the only people who stand between you and totalitarianism. Or perhaps you subscribe to Dr. Wales’ belief in anarchy, in which case you’re both on your own.
Centurion,
The curriculum at Northwestern is rigorous, but that same University has a well known Law School that is producing attorneys that the Northwestern PHD above claims are the cause for all of our problems. Noone is attacking the Wildcats. We are merely pointing out the nonsensical arguments of one PHD from Northweastern.
Oh yippie we are having a parade, did someone say pass the baton?
Or is that a covert word that I do not understand, which could be understood if, I knew a Navajo who could probably tell me it was really a word that meant pass the peyote because we are having a seriously held religious experience.
Or could it mean that someone’s got some really bad shit, which I understand to be good weed.
Not really kiddin.
Now now, I want all the good little ambulance chasers to make nice with the head-shrinkers. I want everyone to play nice,or no graham crackers before bed. TTFN.
I don’t like graham crackers, not since Phil Graham was a Sen from Texas.
But I do like following Ambulances maybe its that canine in me. I have not to the best of my ability bitten a postman. But Dr. Freud said that was the next session.
Can anybody tell me why be has powered sugar in a bowl on his table by his desk. That was the smallest spoon I have ever seen. I think I will bring him a box of Kleenex the next time as I think his allegories were acting up. He kept sucking his snot back in. I hope he get well though. Maybe he will be better the next time we meet.
Centurion,
Yeah, after you claim we are all useless or criminals, then you say let’s make nice. I don’t think so. BTW. good work Mespo and Buddha.
Dr. Wales, I think you have a future client in “anonymously yours”. This person is speaking in a schizotypal speech pattern, and probably needs some thorazine to take the cuckoo bird edge off.
Rafflaw, go back to your yellow stained copy of “Simple Justice Brown vs. board of Education”. The society we live in is bigger and more complex than your pea-brain can comprehend.
cenurion:
“Mespo. You have successfully auditioned for and won the coveted role of biggest windbag.”
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Had I a wit as razor sharp as yours, I suspect all my friends would call me “marble.”
That’s right stonehead, make sure you get the last word in. Grow up Mespo…………
Last night I slept better than I have in years. Just knowing that Mike Appleton was keeping “me” safe from the impending threat of totalitarianism gave me great peace of mind. Have a coke and a smile Mike A.
Centurion, thank you for your kind words. I am pleased to have eased your anxiety without the necessity of dangerous, mind-altering medications.
You will never be able to prescribe medications Mike A., you need to go to medical school in order to do that. Your limited and substandard education would preclude your entry into this highly scientific and academically rigorous discipline.
Centurion:
I have no desire to have the last word. Let’s just leave the conversation with your final sage comment:
” Your limited and substandard education would preclude your entry into this highly scientific and academically rigorous discipline.”
Definitive, yet compassionate. That’s how I like to remember you– the consummate man of reason, aplomb, and grace.
Mespo, I think there is a pathology behind your need to get in the last word. I will be waiting for your last word. You are like my favorite Pavlovian dog. Just ring the hubris bell and out you bound.
Centurion, I’ve noticed your emphasis on what you perceive to be a lack of sufficient academic credentials for those posting on this site. I would be most happy to compare our respective educational backgrounds, but I am certain that you would decline the invitation. It would require the disclosure of your identity. Let me know.
Mike A. you and your fellow ambulance chasers suffer from an overload of egocentrism. Attorney’s like psychologist’s come a dime a dozen. Mike A., you are just a spoke on a wheel, you just haven’t quite figured that out yet. Actually, I think you have, that’s why you feel the need to posture so much. In fact, you are beginning to morph into your fellow blogger Mespo, with your pathological need to be right and get the last word in. So sad.
Get a clue…
Mespo is JT’s warm up act – he rocks!
For Pete’s sake, Centurion, grow up. Your posts have consisted of nothing more than anonymous personal attacks against people about whom you know nothing and for obscure psychological reasons discernible only by Dr. Wales or your cousin. Each time you are challenged to say something factual on any topic, your response is more vitriol. A desire to protect one’s identity when espousing controversial views can be understandable under a variety of circumstances. A desire to protect one’s identity while spewing angry, mindless venom is simply cowardice.
Patty C. I am trembling in my wallabee’s, I am now going to crawl under the bed and turn out all the lights!
You are the coward. Everyone on this blog has a pseudonym, so spare me Mike A. Is that your real name?
Of course it’s my real name.
Mr. Wales:
yes I do know Northwestern, my son applied there and was accepted. However we thought he should go to a better school so he is at Vanderbilt.
MikeA:
“Centurion, although you undoubtedly do not understand this, lawyers are the only people who stand between you and totalitarianism. Or perhaps you subscribe to Dr. Wales’ belief in anarchy, in which case you’re both on your own.”
dont rush to fast on that score, I think Adolf had some help from some like minded lawyers.
Bron, you’re right. I did overstate my point a tad.
Centurian:
“You will never be able to prescribe medications Mike A., you need to go to medical school in order to do that. Your limited and substandard education would preclude your entry into this highly scientific and academically rigorous discipline”
psychology is a science and academically rigorous? When did that happen? I wish I could have done some easy course of study like that, memorize a bunch of words and concepts and spit them back out for a test. Did you even have to think or analyze anything? Well you did probably take statistics, is that why you call what you do a “science”. Any chemistry, physics, calculus (the real one, that engineers take not the B school brand), biology beyond freshman?
Do you call yourself Centurion because you managed 100 on your IQ test? And does that set you apart from other psych majors who did not score that high?
Thank you Patty C (and welcome back) but I don’t think I could warm up a polka band at a firehall wedding. JT’s out of my league.
That said, I am enjoying Centurion for his bald-faced honesty in making the personal attacks. No pretense of logic or rationality with that fellow. He is the conservative psyche in all its fang and raised fur railing against the inevitable defeat of all it holds holy. I feel privileged to see the unvarnished truth stripped of spin. It’s like standing on some Mesozoic ledge and hearing the last wail of the last dinosaur–not really maddening but apocryphal.
Bron, when contemplating my gen ed requiredments, I settled for geology because I had heard upperclassmen describe the course as “rocks for jocks.” As far as I’m concerned, that was a misdescription since I quickly found myself up to my ears in a mixture of chemistry, biology, physics, seismology and several related “ologies.”
MikeA:
Looks to me like you could have gone to med school. I guess C-note is just jealous of your “sub-standard” education.
Mespo:
if C-note is a right winger we dont claim him.
Also as things are moving along within the Obama administration I think that wail you are hearing is Nancy Pelosi as they pry her fingers from around the speakers gavel in February of 2011.
The best man at my wedding is an engineer, he went to Harvey Mudd. He makes 60.000 a year and hates his job. I make almost twice that, and work maybe thirty-five hours a week. Boy life is sweet for those of us who took those easy psych and sociology courses. Gotta go now, I’m getting ready to go marlin fishing in the Keys. I’ll be thinking about you guys. TTFN
Centurion:
These guys are lawyers not engineers, you dropping acid to have a mind expanding experience?
Marlin fishing is for pussies, unless they are over about 800 lbs. A 200 lb Tuna has more ass and attitude than a Marlin.
But good luck, maybe you can “talk” the fish into taking your bait.
Centurion,
Seeing that I have a job that must be done during the day, I am just able to repsond to your latest attack. Your attack is rather juvenile. Since you contend you graduated from Northwestern, I would have expected a little more maturity. But I shouldn’t assume that your education actually produces any cogent thoughts. Thanks for letting us know what your salary is and how high a regard you have for your best man and his education. Have fun in the Keys.
‘You will never be able to prescribe medications Mike A., you need to go to medical school in order to do that.’…
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No, you don’t…
Bron,
Having caught (and eaten) all sorts of fish (salmon, trout, grayling, pike, bass, rock fish, etc.) on all sorts of rods in all sorts of water…
Catching wild cut-throat out of Chicago Lakes on a light weight fly rod is as close to a religious experience I’ve had in years.
Are you trying to set that guy up? Did you know that you can get a medical degree on line?
Why do we have bantering on line?
Just wondering, why can’t we all take the sage advice that we heard from that guy by the name of king?
Rodney King as he was collecting that Million dollar pay off “Why can’t we just get along?”
Bron,
I should also mention that those were the tastiest fish I’ve ever had. What you do with wild trout (not those fresh from the hatchery stockers) is put a little lemon juice, and a TINY bit of onion in the stomach cavity with some bacon (or just the grease), wrap it in aluminum foil and throw it in the embers of a camp fire.
I suppose you could make Trout Au Bleu, but that’s involved and is gilding the Lilly in this instance. Plus you need a stove.
Gyges:
where is Chicago Lake? That sounds like a very good time. I love fly fishing and used to tie my own. Although I could never tie the small ones, I think the best I could muster was a 16, smaller than that and I could not get the hackle right.
You dont stake them and eat them right out of the fire? The lemon and bacon is gilding the lilly!
Bron,
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/discovercolorado/17013075/detail.html
The bacon and lemon are help prevent overcooking (fat and juice help keep fish moist and tender). Plus, bacon makes just about everything better.
Gyges:
beautiful, man, beautiful. I have only fished in the river near Vale, Eagle I think and the Raoring Fork (I think thats the name). I was used to fishing here in the east and I was gratified by the exuberence of western fish to take a fly. Eastern fish are to edumacated to fall for the ole Royal Humpy trick. Also the waters out here are so heavily fished that all the stupid fish have been caught. And a hatchery trout, unless it has been in the stream for a good long time, is a brutish little animal. I dont think it even qualifies for the Trout moniker.
Definitely fly fishing for trout is Gods own sport.
Remember to always practice catch and release unless you are going to eat them!
Bron 98, you are a perfect living example that not all aborted fetuses succumb to the scalpel and vaccum of a sadistic doctor. Some grow up, you are a testament to life’s ability to adapt and survive, in spite of such a deleterious experience.
Centurion:
thanks for the kind words! How did you know?
I only have half a brain. If the doctor had gotten another 1/4 I could have grown up to be a psychologist.
Bron,
Don’t you mean lost another 1/4?
Gyges,
Bacon is it’s own food group. Ask any Southerner. I’ll have to try it with fish though. Had it with shell fish (shrimp, scallops), but never boney fish. I may have to do a little experimental cooking this weekend with the salmon I have in the freezer. I’m thinking bacon with a slightly sweet orange demi-glaze sprinkled with finely chopped chives. Perhaps on a bed of seasoned rice or plain egg noodles.
Damn. I knew I shouldn’t have skipped lunch today.
Sorry Bron 98, no engineers allowed in our fraternity of Head-shrinkers, you need a PH.D. Undergrads not allowed, especially those with only half a brain, such as yourself.
Buddha:
no I think that is right in light of Centurion saying I was victimized by the Doctor. Had the doctor taken another 1/4, I believe is correct.
I am sure I have now admitted publically what most of you thought given my right leaning ways.
We can, however, debate the issue of whether or not I have actually lost my mind.
Centurion:
Why no engineers? Worried they may actually come up with some real cures?
By the way, where did you purchase your Ph. D.?
University of California. A school you could never get into.
Centurion:
what do you call that argument, I have a PH. D. so my dick is bigger than yours? Very good thinking. I am glad to see you are a credit to your committee, they must be doing cartwheels!
Centurion:
Which one? I will be slightly impressed if you say Berkley. My guess is that it probably isnt or you would have mentioned that out of the box like the PH. D.
Bron,
Ah gotcha. Bad read and inverse math on my part. I haven’t had to do a word problem since forever. And for the record, I think your insanity is coming along nicely.
It’s the good kind of crazy though, not the other kind being exhibited here by the “psychological professional”.
It would be wishful thinking, that I could cure a disease such as you Bron. That may be for the next generation of Behaviorists. P.S. you spelled Berkeley wrong. Case in point.
Bron 98, please quit while you are behind.
BIL, “Bacon is it’s own food group. Ask any Southerner”
I thought the 4 food groups wer: Red, Pork, Chocolate and Charcoal Grilled? Of course, Bacon is the king of pork-meat and my personal favorite. Do I have to move down South now?
lottakatz,
No need to move. Being a Southerner is a state of mind. If you think most any dish is improved with bacon and/or butter in copious quantity, then the South is in your heart wherever you go – probably in the form of artery blocking plaque. But what a tasty way to go . . .
Centurion:
So I spelled a word incorrectly, and that in your mind invalidates what I wrote?
You must be a simpl man/woman.
“Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”
Ralph Waldo must have had you in particular in mind and psychologists in general when he wrote that.
I hope your phsychiatrist keeps a short leash on you and reviews your work carefully.
One other thing as enigneers we are the top dogs we dont have someone else looking over our shoulders, we have ultimate responsibility. I guess you are the equivalent of an engineering tech.
Lottakatz and Buddha:
are ya all related to Paula Dean? The first time I saw her show she was making bread pudding with glazed donuts from Dunkin Donuts.
Bron,
No, but she’s a typical Southern cook. None of the ladies I learned to cook from down home were so bad as to use donuts for bread pudding. Great googly moogley! I feel like going into diabetic shock just thinking about that. I bet it’s good, but it’s also an example of what my grandfather used mean when he said, “Anything worth doing is worth overdoing.” Personally, I prefer a good French bread or Brioche for bread pudding. Southern cooks all love their butter and pork fat. I bet was 14 before I realized you could serve green beans without bacon (that’s a joke . . . almost). A lot of the Southern cooking traditions, like many great cuisines, comes from poor folks making due the best they can with what they’ve got. Fats carry flavor to what may have been meager ingredients to start.
Buddha:
I love southern cooking, bacon and green beans or greens (like Ginger and Fred), corn bread, cheese grits (I dont know if that is southern but they are good), hush puppies, BBQ, and to top it off good ole Tabasco Sauce although that is from days in La.
I can tell you that I would take cornbread and some bacon grease over what my grandmother used to make, creamed freaking eggs on toast.
Bron,
Grits in any form are as Southern as it gets. May I suggest the following recipe as a New Orleans favorite. This is Emeril’s recipe, but it’s close to my favorite version of this dish (which was made by a mom & pop bar/restaurant that didn’t survive Katrina).
Grillades and Grits
Ingredients
* 1 1/2 pounds beef top round, cut into 2-inch pieces, about 1/4-inch thick
* 1 pound veal top round, cut into 2-inch pieces, about 1/4-inch thick
* 1 tablespoon Essence, recipe follows
* 2 teaspoons salt
* 1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
* 1/2 cup all-purpose flour, plus more for dusting work surface
* 1/2 cup vegetable oil
* 2 cups chopped onions
* 1 cup chopped bell peppers
* 1 cup chopped celery
* 1/4 teaspoon cayenne
* 2 cups peeled, seeded, and chopped tomatoes
* 1 tablespoon chopped garlic
* 5 bay leaves
* 1/4 teaspoon dried thyme
* 1/4 teaspoon dried oregano
* 1/4 teaspoon dried basil
* 2 cups beef stock
* 1/2 cup dry red wine
* 2 tablespoons finely chopped parsley leaves
* Baked Cheese Grits, recipe follows
* 3 tablespoons chopped green onion tops
Directions
Combine the beef and veal in a large mixing bowl. Season the meat with the Essence, 1 teaspoon of the salt, and 1/4 teaspoon of the pepper, tossing to coat well. Add the flour and toss to coat the meat completely. Turn the meat out onto a well-floured surface and lightly pound the meat with a meat mallet. Turn the meat over and lightly pound the other sides of the meat.
Heat 1/4 cup of the oil in a large cast iron pot over medium-high heat. When the oil is hot, add the meat, in batches, if necessary and brown evenly on both sides, for 5 to 6 minutes. Drain the meat on paper towel-lined plates. (Add the remaining half of the oil to the pan, as needed between batches, waiting for the oil to heat before adding the meat.)
Add the onions, bell peppers, and celery to the oil. Season with 1/2 teaspoon of the salt and the cayenne. Continue stirring, scraping the bottom and sides of the pot to loosen any browned particles. Cook for 5 to 6 minutes, or until the vegetables are wilted. Add the tomatoes and garlic. Cook, stirring often and scraping the bottom and sides of the pot for 3 to 4 minutes. Add the bay leaves, thyme, oregano, basil, stock, and wine. Return the browned meat to the pot and season with the remaining 1/2 teaspoon of salt, and 1/4 teaspoon of black pepper.
Bring the liquid to a simmer, cover partially, and reduce the heat to low. Cook for about 1 3/4 to 2 hours, stirring occasionally, or until the meat is very tender. Remove the bay leaves and stir in the chopped parsley.
Place a portion of the Baked Cheese Grits into a shallow serving bowl and spoon the grillades and some of the gravy over the grits. Garnish with some chopped green onions and serve immediately.
Emeril’s ESSENCE Creole Seasoning (also referred to as Bayou Blast):
2 1/2 tablespoons paprika
2 tablespoons salt
2 tablespoons garlic powder
1 tablespoon black pepper
1 tablespoon onion powder
1 tablespoon cayenne pepper
1 tablespoon dried oregano
1 tablespoon dried thyme
Combine all ingredients thoroughly.
Yield: 2/3 cup
Recipe from “New New Orleans Cooking”, by Emeril Lagasse and Jessie Tirsch, published by William and Morrow, 1993.
Baked Cheese Grits:
2 tablespoons butter
6 cups whole milk
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
1/4 teaspoon cayenne pepper
2 cups quick-cooking white grits
2 cups grated sharp white Cheddar
Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F.
Lightly grease a 9 by 9-inch baking dish with 1 tablespoon of the butter.
Heat a saucepan over medium heat and add the milk, salt, cayenne and remaining tablespoon of butter. Bring to a boil, stir in the grits, and reduce the heat to medium. Stir for 30 seconds, then add 1 cup of the cheese and stir until the cheese melts. Cook, uncovered, for 6 to 8 minutes, stirring constantly, until the grits are tender and creamy. Pour the grits into the prepared pan and sprinkle the remaining cheese over the grits. Bake for 20 to 25 minutes, or until the cheese is melted and slightly golden. Serve hot.
Yield: 6 servings
As a prep tip, I suggest covering the chilling the seasoned meat about 10 minutes and covering it with heavy plastic before pounding it out, working quickly as possible.
covering and chilling that is
Buddha:
that sounds like some darn fine chow.
Can I use pork instead of the veal? Also the top round can that be substituted with say a chuck roast or is the chuck to fatty?
Thanks, I am going to give this one a try it sounds very tasty.
I have it saved under the folder BUDDHACHOW, kind of has an oriental ring.
So hopefully you will share a few more. here is one I like:
Chicken Mirabella:
Ingredients
2 garlic cloves, minced
6 prunes, pitted and drained (I tried white raisans and they worked pretty well to. If you use the prunes chop them up into 4-6 pcs. per prune)
6 green olives, pitted
1 tablespoon capers, with liquid (I like some more capers)
1 tablespoon olive oil
1 tablespoon red wine vinegar
1/8 cup white wine
1 bay leaf
1 teaspoon dried oregano
salt and pepper
3 boneless skinless chicken breast halves (I like chicken thighs bone in or out)
1/8 cup brown sugar
Directions
1 In a resealable bag, combine garlic, prunes, olives, capers, olive oil, vinegar, wine, bay leaf, oregano, salt and pepper.
2 Mix well, and add chicken breasts.
3 Seal and refrigerate overnight.
4 Preheat oven to 350 degrees.
5 Pour contents of bag into baking dish and top with the brown sugar.
6 Bake, spooning the broth over the chicken several times for 30 minutes, until chicken is cooked through.
It isnt southern but its pretty good.
Yes BIL, I have enough artery clogging plaque from butter and bacon to be tapped by the new Administration as an alternative energy source waiting to be mined
Bron, “are ya all related to Paula Dean? The first time I saw her show she was making bread pudding with glazed donuts from Dunkin Donuts.”
OMG, me too!!! That was amazing and even I realized that there was something seriously wrong with that. I am also a great fan of cornbread, supper on more than one occasion has been a pan of cornbread and room temp. butter and a glass of milk.
My oven, and heart, is broken. I open my cupboard and am taunted by a bag of yellow cornmeal, a bag of white cornmeal and a couple of different brands of cornbread mix- JUST ADD WATER! (or milk) the bags say for when waiting long enough to measure more than one ingredient is just TOO long to wait for cornbread. I am despondent.
BIL is right about a lot of regional cooking (and “traditional” cooking) is born of poverty and if you pick a region or country and examine their traditional recipes it’s pretty obvious by the limited pallet of ingredients that people were making the best of making do with what they had. I recently discovered Colcannon, a traditional Irish dish made with potato, onion (or leek) and cabbage. Reads awful, but tastes great. I jazz it up with bacon.
Put a pound of cut up potatos in a pan of salted water and boil until tender. Drain and dry in the pan over a low flame then set aside.
Crisp up 6 strips of bacon in a LARGE skillet, drain, set aside and crunble.
Cut white cabbage into large pieces 1″ x 1″ to match the weight of the potatoes (I weigh everything at the store- a medium cabbage is about 3 lbs) Cut the green tops out of 3 large leeks (and throw away) and after washing the white parts split the leeks lengthwise and cut them into 1″ pieces.
Pour off half of the bacon grease left in the skillet.
Yes BIL, I have enough artery clogging plaque from butter and bacon to be tapped by the new Administration as an alternative energy source waiting to be mined
Bron, “are ya all related to Paula Dean? The first time I saw her show she was making bread pudding with glazed donuts from Dunkin Donuts.”
OMG, me too!!! That was amazing and even I realized that there was something seriously wrong with that. I am also a great fan of cornbread, supper on more than one occasion has been a pan of cornbread and room temp. butter and a glass of milk.
My oven, and heart, is broken. I open my cupboard and am taunted by a bag of yellow cornmeal, a bag of white cornmeal and a couple of different brands of cornbread mix- JUST ADD WATER! (or milk) the bags say for when waiting long enough to measure more than one ingredient is just TOO long to wait for cornbread. I am despondent.
BIL is right about a lot of regional cooking (and “traditional” cooking) is born of poverty and if you pick a region or country and examine their traditional recipes it’s pretty obvious by the limited pallet of ingredients that people were making the best of making do with what they had. I recently discovered Colcannon, a traditional Irish dish made with potato, onion (or leek) and cabbage. Reads awful, but tastes great. I jazz it up with bacon.
Put a pound of cut up potatos in a pan of salted water and boil until tender. Drain and dry in the pan over a low flame then set aside.
Crisp up 6 strips of bacon in a LARGE skillet, drain, set aside and crunble.
Cut white cabbage into large pieces 1″ x 1″ to match the weight of the potatoes (I weigh everything at the store- a medium cabbage is about 3 lbs) Cut the green tops out of 3 large leeks (and throw away) and after washing the white parts split the leeks lengthwise and cut them into 1″ pieces.
Pour off half of the bacon grease left in the skillet.
Add the cut up cabbage and leeks, mix well and cover. Stir periodicly until translucent and tender but not limp. 5-6 minutes should do it.
While the cabbage and leek cook heat 3/4 cups milk in the microwave.
Excuse me- I’m having a problem with a stuck space bar and repeated pressing (or trying to use my arrow keys)is posting my comment- I’ll finish the recipe in UltraEdit and post below- I’m really sorry about the multiple postings.
Colcannon
1 lb potato’s
1 lb Cabbage (white)
3 large Leeks
6 strips Bacon
3/4 c. Milk
2 T butter for drizzling
salt and pepper
Put a pound of cut up potato’s in a pan of salted water and boil until tender. Drain and dry in the pan over a low flame then set aside.
While potato’s are cooking crisp up 6 strips of bacon in a LARGE skillet, drain, set aside and crumble.
Cut white cabbage into large pieces 1″ x 1″ to match the weight of the potatoes (I weigh everything at the store- a medium cabbage is about 3 lbs)
Cut the green tops out of 3 large leeks (and throw away) and after washing the white parts split the leeks lengthwise and cut them into 1″ pieces.
Pour off half of the bacon grease left in the skillet.
Add the cut up cabbage and leeks, mix well and cover. Stir periodically until translucent and tender but not limp. 5-6 minutes should do it.
While the cabbage and leek cook heat 3/4 cups milk in the microwave.
Mash potato’s with the the milk (smooth or lumpy as you like) and add the cooked leeks and cabbage, add salt and pepper to taste.
Put it in a big bowl, drizzle with a little butter and sprinkle the crumbled bacon on top. Eat hot.
Any kind of potato will do but add the milk in batches because some potato’s require more milk than other types. I mix red and Russet potato’s.
Bron,
Chuck can be too fatty, but I’ve had it that way and it still tastes fine. The texture can be a little off though. If you trim it where there are no big chunks of gristle or fat, that should be fine. It’s a texture issue for me. I’ve never tried pork but it should work. A lot of people just omit the veal and use all top round, but since pork cooks similar to veal I don’t see that substitution as a problem. A lot of Creole dishes call for veal, something rarely found in the more rustic Cajun style. City grub vs. country grub.
Buddha,
Have you sampled the schadenfreude?
http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/1136145.html
Exquisite.
You Bron98 are a functioning illiterate, as evidenced by your atrocious spelling and syntax. Hopefully you are better with numbers. Go Bruins!
Centurion:
You call yourself “Centurion.” Ha, what an insult to the memory and legend of the most noble rank of the Roman legion. Your unwarranted, ill-tempered attacks on those here qualify you for nothing more than the rank of “Gregralis,” the ignoble peasants who tended the asses and goats. I think even those beasts would recognize you as the blight you are.
I take it Mespo that you didn’t graduate with a PH.D. from the University of California System. Take your pick, any are superior to whichever ambulance chaser J.D. school you or your cronies graduated from. That is if you “did” graduate. I must commend you for your colorful writing style. Have you read the cantos of Ezra Pound?
Centurion:
“I must commend you for your colorful writing style. Have you read the cantos of Ezra Pound?”
***********************
Never made the pointless attempt, but after wading through some of your comments I feel qualified to expound.
Please do. Thrall me with your acumen.
Make it fast though Mespo, my gorgeous tanned wife just got waxed today and wants to play kissie-face
Bob,
Damn Yankees. But it’s still early.
Buddha,
Pics of the new K
http://www.kansascity.com/937/gallery/1135442.html
Bob,
Thanks for the link. I can’t wait until I get a chance to go to a game this year.
Centurion:
I cleaned it up a little, thanks for keeping my spelling straight.
So I spelled a word incorrectly, and that in your
mind invalidates what I wrote?
You must be a simple man/woman.
“Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”
Ralph Waldo must have had you in particular in mind and psychologists in general when he wrote that.
I hope your psychiatrist keeps a short leash on you and reviews your work carefully.
One other thing as engineers we are the top dogs, we don’t have someone else looking over our shoulder’s, we have ultimate responsibility. I guess you are the equivalent of an engineering tech.
You are really hung up on California schools and your PH.D, is that the academic equivalent of driving a big red Corvette? Ernie Johnson and the twins not up to snuff? Probably not or you would not have mentioned your tanned wife.
If you ever need/want some ideas on how to satisfy your wife let me know.
Lottakatz:
funny you should write about Colcannon, my wife made that the other night. I doubt she knew what it was but it is good. Thanks for an “official” recipe.
Mespo:
As I said above I think “Centurion” calls himself that because he broke 99 on the Stanford Binet.
Bron98, get some help………..
Give it up, Wayne.
Buddha, you still need more fiber in your diet, that constipated mask of pain is gruesome to look at. You should ask Bron 98 to come over and give you a coffee enema. Mespo can assist, he can inject you with the fleet solution. Enjoy!
I’d ask if you kiss your mom with that mouth, but you’ve given every indication that the only way you’d ever be able to kiss a female is via incest. Enjoy!
The only people that you kiss are other men. I saw the cute little recipes you and your boyfriends pass. Ah! aren’t you special. Do you clothes shop together as well. I bet you even get your nails done together. Enjoy!
Next time my wife goes to her day spa to get waxed and pedicured, I will ask her if she saw a green faced little troll who is in need of a facial and enema.
cENTURION:
You have a problem with men that like to cook? You sound like a fairy, I bet the only Marlin you ever smoked was the guy down the street.
And actually that Chicken Mirabella is good chow. I havent tried the one Buddha posted but that looks good too.
PH. D. what does that stand for Psychiatrist Has to prescribe Drugs. What a putz cant get into medical school so you need to act out against those that are doing/able to do what they wanted to do.
You need an intellectual enema, shit for brains.
Bron 98, your need to defend yourself only confirms my suspicions about your sexual orientation. Also, as I have posted earlier, undergrads should not be allowed to post on these blogs. Your lack of formal education causes you to resort to profanity and juvenile name calling. When you graduate from potty-mouth training you will than be allowed to contribute.
Bron98, I have noticed some improvement in sentence structure and grammar. You are undoubtedly being assisted by one of your genetically compromised off-spring in the creation and transmission of your posts.
Centurion:
thank you for the accolades, I owe it all to your tuteledge.
Do you actually believe what you wrote above? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Also the crack about genetically compromised off-spring is way below the belt, I have a daughter with cystic fibrosis.
So I now know the kind of human being you are, a mean spiteful, low brow, despicable man. Someone like you probably throws puppies off cliffs and hangs cats. It is your type that gives conservatives a bad name.
Nice stick Centurion! Pound em!
I’m not a conservative, send your ouija board back to Parker Brothers for a full discount Bron.
What diploma mill did you get your engineering degree from? The word is “tutelage” Bron. Think McFly!
Bron, you are really wasting your time responding to, or even acknowledging, Mr. C. If you review his comments, you will note that he has not had a single, constructive thing to say on any topic. His posts have been limited to personal attacks and infantile rants against individuals about whom he knows nothing. I suppose his posts fill some personal need to engage in anonymous vituperation because he lacks the courage to express his anger openly in real life. Whatever his motives may be, if we but ignore him perhaps he will elect to take his emotional immaturity to another site.
Centurion:
you and that PH.D. are both pompous asses. You spread that around like Johnny “Wad” Holmes shakes his dick in the men’s room while at the urinal.
Centurion:
By god man you can spell! Thank heavens your state funded education has paid off.
Oh by the way, we engineers are notoriously bad at spelling. It must be a right brain left brain thing, you would not understand.
MikeA:
You are right, he is a borish rube.
Bron, you have now gone officially “crazy” on this blog. Mike Appleton has now chimed in as his ego has been sufficiently prodded into activation.
Mike A, in reading your asinine blog, I am still trying to figure out what meaninful subject you or your fellow ambulance chasers are discussing. Give me a holler when you sensitive, educated souls have actually started discussing law and it’s interpretation. The sad thing is Mike, you can’t seem to ignore me or my posts. Why?
Back to the point of this thread, I believe that as the deceit of the Bush administration unravels, we will continue to find instances in which the DOJ, under orders from the White House to prevent appropriate judicial review of its conduct toward detainees, not only withheld exculpatory evidence, but proffered evidence known to be false. Aside from the potential criminal liability of Bush administration officials, there will likely be bar disciplinary proceedings against a number of lawyers employed in the judicial and executive branches. The sooner the better.
Centurion,
A very apropos appellation for someone like you. A little minded man who tries to come off as macho and tough. Stupid of you not to know that the Roman Legions who were called thus were the most brutal thugs of their day. However, I understand that even reflecting that back to you makes your small stones stir. You are the type that kisses the behinds of tough guys because it compensates for your own insecurity. Tip for you:
Real tough men don’t have to try to prove it and don’t disparage others manhood. Why should they have to, they have what you lack, self confidence.
cENTURION:
Yes, I have gone crazy in response to your postings. But then again that was your intent, you win you are the better man. I concede to your superior wit and reparte. My small candle of itelligence is lost in the luminosity of your superior intellect.
Mike A.,
Is it possible that Obama fears civil reprisals against the Government for torture, et al.? To me, that’s a non-starter because civil action against the State over the illegal actions of Bush Co and the Neocons is EXACTLY what sovereign immunity is for. The mechanism of state is protected but not the men who abuse the mechanism for their personal gain when the issue is criminal wrong doing. Sovereign immunity is not designed to limit the civil liability of criminal actors hiding under the color of state authority and the civil liability for said crimes should transfer to the individual and corporate actors proper who encouraged the conspiracy to invade Iraq over Saudi Arabia. An attempt to sue the U.S. Federal Govt. for Bush Co. crimes should be dismissed as a misjoinder. Absent that fallacious fear of civil losses that could amount to billions, I can see no other reason for Obama’s stonewalling on pursuing justice against Bush and Cheney unless he himself is compromised by the same graft and corporatist/fascist influence as Bush Co. But he could prove me wrong by doing the right thing and cleaning our house before the EU does it for us. However, in some respects, it’s karmic. Without American intervention, Europe would have fallen to the Nazis. Maybe it’s time for payback in that it may be time for the EU to save America from it’s own fascist threat by upholding justice when the weak within our own system are unwilling/unable.
“meaninful” should be “meaningful.”
“it’s interpretation” (improper contraction) should be “its interpretation” (possessive)
Buddha, I don’t think Pres. Obama is concerned with issues of civil liability for torture. But I do believe he is concerned with domestic repercussions. I vividly recall sitting through the Watergate hearings and there were certainly concerns at that time that they would further divide an already divided country. I suspect that there are advisers to the president who genuinely believe that prosecuting an outgoing administration might set a bad historical precedent; that the right would become enraged and argue vehemently that the entire process was purely political retribution. In addition, there is undoubtedly resistance in Congress because of its virtual submission to the desires of the Bush administration during the planning and execution of the Iraq invasion. If it takes Spain or another european country to do what we are fearful of doing, I will accept that as undesirable but necessary. But there will be much wider acceptance of the process, and the conclusions, by U.S. citizens if this country takes the lead.
Mike A.,
The majority of citizens would like to see, at minimum, an investigation into war crimes. Bush has only a small percentage of the population that still thinks he did a good job. Obama is, on the other hand, wildly popular. He should use the popularity he has to do the right thing. I believe you are correct that his advisors may tell him certain things, but he should be listening to many voices. More importantly, no matter what they tell him, if he cares about this country, he will honor his oath to protect the Constitution and follow our laws. A leader, leads. He does the right thing. If that means angering the right, then he needs to confront that problem head on. Our Constitiution would come first in the eyes of a true leader. No amount of “advice” from servile and frightened ruling class appeasers should be heeded. There’s a larger political reality than the right-left divide and that is the well-being of our country. The president may not shred the Constitution because he is afraid of the right wing. I also believe there are many on the right who wish to see the rule of law restored. Reach out to them. These are honorable and good people. The consequences of ignoring the rule of law are far more damaging to our nation than dealing with a small group of people on the far right.
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