A former high-ranking state department official has come forward with the explosive report that then Vice President Dick Cheney called for the torture of an Iraqi prisoner to establish a link between al Qaeda and Iraq in the midst of the political controversy over the misrepresentations that led to the Iraq invasion. Cheney was one of the main figures pushing this justification, which was found based on false intelligence. Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff for then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, adds yet another piece of evidence that the torture program was not based on a “ticking bomb” justification and was not based on the faux legal opinions of lawyers like Judge Jay Bybee and Professor John Yoo.
Wilkerson reveals that the interrogation program began in April and May of 2002 and “[i]ts principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at preempting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al Qaeda,.” Wilkerson said that Cheney’s office asked for torture because the CIA found the prisoner to be “compliant.” This would appear to suggest that they wanted to torture the prisoner because he might be coerced into supporting the linkae — a critical necessity for the Administration in defending its prior representations on the invasion. He states that the “order” came from Cheney’s office. The prisoner, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, was tortured until he confirmed such contacts and these statements were promptly used by the Administration. He later recanted the statements before dying in a Libyan prison.
This report confirms the statements of an Army psychiatrist that the abuse of detainees at Gitmo was focused not only future attacks but to establish a connection between al Qaeda and Iraq.
Once again, this additional evidence only highlights the refusal of the Obama Administration to appoint a special prosecutor. The evidence is now far greater than what existed when Democrats called for the appointment of a Special Prosecutor in the firings of U.S. Attorneys. Of course, this involves war crimes.
For the full story, click here.
This waterboarding, which some refer to as torture (to use a favorite phrase of NPR) doesn’t even fit the “legal” definitions of when it was “legal” to commit torture according to bushco. This man was a POW, not an “enemy combatant”. So even by the made up terms of the bushies this is disallowed.
We have so much evidence that Cheney intended to invade Iraq from his first day in office. They lied about every reason to invade and punished everyone who would not support their lies. This punishment ranged from firing analyists who didn’t “cooperate”, to exposing a CIA officer to teach her husband and others a lesson about speaking/exposing the truth to, finally, torture.
Contained within this case are two forms of war crimes: 1. torture and 2. lying a nation into war
I must agree that both Holder and Obama are failing to abide by their oaths to the Constititution. This is a depraved and appalling story, and it is only one of many. Our law is clear. War crimes have been openly admitted. Allowing Cheney and others to make his case on TV instead of a court of law is both wrong, illegal and destructive to our nation.
Here is another War Criminal who lied the United States into war;
Joe Biden was a principal conspirator in selling and waging a War of Aggression in Iraq. He voted to invade Iraq and has voted many times to fund the War. Biden had a key role in making possible the congressional authorization of the 2003 U.S. illegal invasion of Iraq. The Iraq war was a violation of the United States Constitution, the United Nations Charter and the principles of the Nuremberg Tribunal and as such a War of Aggression and therefore a War Crime. Biden is a major War Criminal.
“The very issuance of the Bush doctrine of preemptive warfare and also the threat to wage war against Iraq are, each, a violation of international law as a crime against peace, which is defined in the Nuremberg Charter as the “Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances.” (1)
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Excerpt from; “Biden, Iraq, and Obama’s Betrayal” by Stephen Zunes
“Most significantly, however, Biden, who chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during the lead-up to the Iraq War during the latter half of 2002, was perhaps the single most important congressional backer of the Bush administration’s decision to invade that oil-rich country.”
More at: http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/5492
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At the following link you will see Biden voted to invade Iraq, initiating the illegal War of Aggression and conspiring with Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld;
http://BuenaVistaMall.com/Senators2.htm
(1) “Why People Must Stop Bush’s “Preemptive” War of Aggression” by Carl Messineo and Mara Verheyden-Hilliard
Mespo 72, Mike Appleton, David, rafflaw, AY, Seamus, et al.
I missed the deadline for submitting an amicus curiae at the appellate level.
Can you tell me what would most likely happen if I submitted it anyway? Would that be a wasted effort and no officer of the court would even read or consider the brief?
Thanks.
The Notorious Liar Obama is guilty of War Crimes. He has voted at least 11 times to fund the Wars of Aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan. Funding a War of Aggression is complicity in the War Crimes.
I understand Obama is also responsible for bombing murders in Pakistan.
“…if Seymour Hersh is right, it all gets much worse.”
Hersh: Children sodomized at Abu Ghraib, on tape
by Alex Koppelamn, War Room, Salon, Thursday, July 15, 2004
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2004/07/15/hersh/?source=refresh
Those children were and are wards of the United States, the occupying power. America was and is bound by international law and the US Code to protect them and hold their abusers legally accountable for assaulting them.
An authentic leader dedicated to the national interest wouldn’t have hesitated to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate and prosecute these barbarous crimes…on January 20, 2009.
That Obama, Biden, Holder, Clinton, Jones, Gates, Mullen, Emanuel, Axelrod, Gibbs, Plouffe, etc. all know about this and refuse to do so speaks volumes about the quality of their character, value of their leadership and allegiance to narrow interests.
More about Mr.Cheney:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/05/the_truth_about/
I think this book really lays out a great deal of what happened in Iraq regarding torture: It’s called “Fear Up Harsh” by Tony Lagouranis. He does describe seeing children in custody at Abu Graib. He talks about request by OGA/CIA/Contractors to have our MPs rough up our prisoners (and by rough up, I mean torture) before they are tortured again by the former. Torture was ubiquitous. People were grabbed off the street for no reason at all, taken, tortured and kept in indefinite detention, killed or if very lucky, released. It is a brutally honest account from an eye witness.
I agree Pvt. Keepout–those pictures are said to contain even worse crimes than what we know about at this point and Sy Hirsh has good sources. Thanks for the link.
Stop breathing Cheney, just die off and go away already
Thanks again enibob.
Lawrence Wilkerson has the intestinal fortitude of an Archetypal Warrior.
BTW when does Dick Cheney get ‘fixed’?
“Incidentally, al-Libi just “committed suicide” in Libya. Interestingly, several U.S. lawyers working with tortured detainees were attempting to get the Libyan government to allow them to interview al-Libi…” – Lawrence Wilkerson
Jeezz did the former administration reach out and have al-Libi fixed?
BigEasy,
We need people like Cheney to know when we don’t need people like Cheney. (ever again in public office).
I am not a violent man but I despise Cheney/Bush for trashing my GOP and the U.S. Constitution.
FF LEO,
First you have to be invited to submit a Brief or petition to file one. Lots of friends I am sure.
Can we do the Cheney and march all in Goosen steps and throw our right hand up in the air, shoulder height and chant Sig Heil, Sig Heil.
That much is quite clear.
Why he did that has several hypotheses, some of which are quite distasteful.
Zelikow indicates that some of the testimony the 9/11 Commission he was an official in, probably concluded on tortured testimony.
The facts out now show that torture started 6 or 7 months before the Commission was even formed.
http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/05/911-conspiracy-theorists-take-hit.html
FFLEO, AY is correct. Amicus briefs cannot be filed by anyone wishing to file one. It is first necessary to secure leave from the court to do so. That is only granted when a group or organization has a particular interest in the outcome or will be directly affected by the decision. As peculiar as it may appear, an ordinary citizen such as you or I would not qualify, since the decision would have no more impact on us than it would on any other ordinary citizen.
Mike Appleton and AnonY,
Thanks for your replies.
I was a principal in an Amicus brief at the district court and I learned that I missed the filing deadline for the appellate court.
I generally what to know–since I have ‘standing’ and ‘interest’ from my previous amicus curiae that is also part of the district court record–if I try to file an untimely amicus now, what is most likely to happen.
Will the court simply strike/bar it?
Will they read it and perhaps think that it contains valid facts and consider a waiver given any weight, etc?
Can I ask for a waiver to file late?
I am trying to get a general idea before I contact an attorney and/or an NGO and I know that attorneys here have a wide range of experiences. I am not seeking legal advice just a general idea if I should even try at the risk of a $500.00+ filing fee and legal fees.
FFLEO:
since you were asking for many opinions,I guess every little bit may help.
I may be linking you to a site that you may already know,but here goes.
http://www.jeanmonnetprogram.org/papers/01/010201.html
Thanks eniobob,
“Much Ado About Nothing”
I’ll be reading that. I know from experience that attorneys are like any other occupation/profession. You have some great stars and many fragments of a dying ice comet floating aimlessly in *deep* space (spaced-out).
From what I have gathered within this blawg, there are more attorneys of the former character and very few–if any–of the latter…
I commend The President for attempting to stop the release of additional Torture photos. Crimes were committed, some were punished, others, hopefully, will follow. As someone who has never been in the service, I can only speculate how much, and to what extent, the line of humanity and mores are blurred under the cover—and under the influence—of the Fog of War. And while many have been up in arms about the treatment of detainees their ire should also be directed at the actual criminal act itself that dragged us into war in the first place. Cheney should be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Because of his lies thousands of American Lives have been lost merely to fit his agenda. Fathers, Sons, Nephews, Mothers, Daughters, Friends and Neighbors, have died because how Cheney acted like the sick and sadistic piped piper that he is, leading this nation into the abyss of an utterly needless, senseless, War.
Some may say that prosecuting a Vice President for Crimes is un-American. I’m not suggesting Cheney be prosecuted for war crimes. He should be prosecuted for lying to the American People, thus LEADING them into War. Pre-meditated Murder. He knew, absolutely knew, that lives would have been lost or lives would have manned, physically and emotional. He knew that the lives of American Service men and women would never, EVER, be the same again. He should be prosecuted for deceiving the American people, people who lived, loved and would die for their country.
Micky, West Orange, NJ
Here are the questions. Journalist should ask Dick Cheney next time on any interview . Is invading Irak has nothing to do with Halliburton company on contruction, oil forage? here is a second question , why torture prisoners to justify a war to the nation ? The more we learn , the more we find how disgusting of what Dick Cheney is capable of doing? It is beyond imagination.
Oh COME ON! Wilkserson is COLIN POWELL’S DEMOCRAT STAFFER!
Sheese. Turley your credibility is shot to hell!
Oh COME ON! Wilkserson WAS COLIN POWELL’S DEMOCRAT STAFFER!
Sheese. Turley your credibility is shot to hell!
Turley, apparently you missed Duelfer on rachel maddows show when he stated that it was nothing MORE THAN AN INQUIRY BY CHENEY’S STAFF AS TO WHETHER HARSH INTERROGATION HAD BEEN USED!
Duelfer clearly stated that when the response was negative on harsh interrogation the office of the VP dropped the suggestion.
You see Turley, you left winger, it was a question, not a REQUEST, not an ORDER, not a DEMAND, it was a QUESTION.
In other words, Cheney’s office asks if the subject had harsh interrogation used on him in an effort to get information. When the response was negative that was the end of the questions from the VP’s office!
PS. this was SADDAM’s information minister, a man no doubt guilty of the murder of many MANY Iraquis.
THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID AGAIN:
Turley, apparently you missed Duelfer on rachel maddows show when he stated that it was nothing MORE THAN AN INQUIRY BY CHENEY’S STAFF AS TO WHETHER HARSH INTERROGATION HAD BEEN USED!
Duelfer clearly stated that when the response was negative on harsh interrogation the office of the VP dropped the suggestion.
You see Turley, you left winger, it was a question, not a REQUEST, not an ORDER, not a DEMAND, it was a QUESTION.
In other words, Cheney’s office asks if the subject had harsh interrogation used on him in an effort to get information. When the response was negative that was the end of the questions from the VP’s office!
PS. this was SADDAM’s information minister, a man no doubt guilty of the murder of many MANY Iraquis.
“A man no doubt guilty of the murder of many MANY Iraquis.” – Kelly
Just like our elected officials?
CCD
1, May 15, 2009 at 11:03 am
“Incidentally, al-Libi just “committed suicide” … Jeezz did the former administration reach out and have al-Libi fixed?”
Yhe question more appropriately is ‘Did the CURRENT… ‘
lottakatz:
Partisan hack, guilty as charged.
lottakatz 1, May 15, 2009 at 6:48 pm
CCD
1, May 15, 2009 at 11:03 am
“Incidentally, al-Libi just “committed suicide” … Jeezz did the former administration reach out and have al-Libi fixed?”
Yhe question more appropriately is ‘Did the CURRENT… ‘
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SAY IT – if that is what you TRULY believe…
…speak it, godammit !!!!!!!!!
Patty C,
Please Ma’am. Seamus had a post deleted for less profanity than your post.
Others are trying their best to honor the ‘no outright profanity’ policy set by Professor Turley. Remember, we are in his domain and you are one of his best-liked visitors/regulars.
Thanks, and I mean Thanks.
Kelly,
It is time for you and the the rest of your fellow trolls to actually deal in the factual world. Cheney has stated more than once, in public, that he authorized and ordered waterboarding. Bush has also ordered it and admitted that in public. What more evidence do you need to realize they are war criminals?
Former Fed,
I got here too late to answer your question, but the real experts already gave you good advice.
FFLEo you are both a fool and an a-hole…
My ‘goddam’ post would not be consider ‘profane’ by any stretch of JT’s imagination.
Doctor and Lawyer, *such as* Patty C. The very word you used is the essence definition of profanity.
FFLEO,
Just think catch 22. Joseph Heller, and as you were kind enough to get. Just leave it alone.
Actually, a Lawyer has a Juris Doctorate. There is a push for 5 years and the apprenticeship. I am not sure why, maybe they are trying to get us prepared for a one world economical education. That was a topic at a conference the week before last.
So technically it would be Doctor Doctor. All the makings of a stooge.
Then again, remember some people fashination with their own imagination is not real to you or I, but to them it is the only reality that they possess. I was a lucky one I had to smoke weed and drink to get that reality.
So as John Prine has said.
When I woke up this morning, things were lookin’ bad
Seem like total silence was the only friend I had
Bowl of oatmeal tried to stare me down… and won
And it was twelve o’clock before I realized
That I was havin’ .. no fun
Chorus:
But fortunately I have the key to escape reality
And you may see me tonight with an illegal smile
It don’t cost very much, but it lasts a long while
Won’t you please tell the man I didn’t kill anyone
No I’m just tryin’ to have me some fun
It appeared that was my theme song in college. bada boom, bada bing.
AnonY,
Yes, I know and I thought of you when I posted. Just about every other thread post again is PC jumping on Jill and Professor Turley has admonished PC for that, numerous times. I guess Prof T. is like Mr. O; both prefer to look forward and not back.
I sometimes let a violator get off with a warning instead of issuing a citation; however, if I caught him twice I had no more discretion to let him continue to violate the law.
AnonY:
Are you working again?
FFLEO *** such as***,
You are certainly no teenage beauty queen, ‘such as’ me, nor an animal advocate, like myself.
But you are quite possibly a complete imbecile in my view.
FF LEO,
Yes, I actually looked forward to it. Did a whole week and it just seems like yesterday I started. I will work tomorrow and will enjoy myself. I usually get there about 7:30 am to 8 and am there about 9 hours then an hour drive home.
And you?
Patty C,
Put the Bottle down. Put the Cork back in it and call it a night. Can you say Good Night Johnboy? and I’ll say Good night Sue Ellen. and then we all went back to the little house on the Prairie. Where everyone obey Bringem Youngs traditions.
Sorry Three storys all in One. Well you get the point.
AnonY:
Good. No I do not punch a time clock but I work long hours providing facts in NEPA-related lawsuits and other governmental misconduct issues. In fact, I work longer on a computer as an old retired guy than I ever did for the government, including GIS-related tasks.
PC,
Let us make a deal. You have my permission to call me any term you like until the boss determines your words are too profane or cuss-word like for his blawg. I promise not to contest any name you call me and I will, in fact, agree that you are correct.
The Caveat: you must leave Jill alone, do not cherry pick and abbreviate other peoples’ quotes, and then meld others’ words in a way to denigrate her, which is a form of plagiarism.
Okay, I will start: FFLEO is a fool, an A-H, an imbecile (complete) no teenage beauty queen, et al. Yes, I—FFLEO—am all of those appellations and more.
CCD
1, May 15, 2009 at 7:45 pm
“lottakatz:
Partisan hack, guilty as charged.”
You or me
Actually I like to think of myself as a non-partisan hack, they’re all fair game to me for a variety of reasons.
Many of the government entities that have a lot to lose if this particular debate shakes out anything close to full disclosure are still intact and capable of doing the deed, or actually requesting that it be done. Take your pick, the Intelligence community, State, DOD. The CIA has already destroyed evidence in the matter. There are a lot of people in the previous and current administration that want information buried. Literally.
Patty C:
“… if that is what you TRULY believe…”
I truly believe that anything is possible. There’s a lot of overlap between the current and previous administration and some of the Agencies (and people running them past and present)are hip deep in criminal activity and liability if the full story is told.
Who exactly I’m talking about is hard to pin down. The staff of most intelligence Agencies is classified. once you get past the Director’s Office and when it comes to offices like the Special Activities Division even the Division Chief has a protected identity. Same for the National Intelligence Agency in major part.
The problem with secret (and deadly) programs run by or through secret agencies or organizations that have chains of command that are meandering/non-linear and concealed. Compound that by politics and anything can happen. And you don’t even know who to point a finger at when it does.
I also don’t believe I owe a system set up to deceive and conceal its activities and (even high ranking)staff that has the effect of protecting lawbreakers any respect; I have to fund with my taxes but I don’t have to pay it lip-service.
Since we’ve gone to war with Iraq, I’ve often wondered why Project for the New American Century hasn’t come up in the news. I’m not aware of any investigation into the contents on it’s website (which, to me, seem like a blueprint for a war with Iraq) haven’t been investigated.
PNAC wrote a letter to Bush on 9/20/2001 stating that even if there’s no proof to tie Iraq to 9/11, Saddam must be removed from power.
On 1/30/1998, PNAC members William Kristol & Robert Kagan wrote an article in the NY Times, “Bombing Iraq Isn’t Enough.” The first four words: Saddam Hussein must go.
Perhaps I’m making much ado about nothing, but while I don’t claim to know who everyone involved with PNAC is, some names that stand out are:
Richard L. Armitage
Dick Cheney
John Bolton
Jeb Bush
Donald Rumsfeld
Paul Wolfowitz
Is it possible there is something here, or did I eat too many mushrooms tonight?
As usual, I screwed up a sentence. Color me insane.
History will show what evil lurked withing the Bush-Cheney administration. Now since Gingrich is trying to blame Pelosi for designing, approving and executing the whole torture program by the Bush administration…after all she was told by the lying CIA being directed by Cheney to do so. Well, who are they kidding? We all need to find the 2 apprentices of Darth-Cheney before they do some more damage.
FFLEO,
Thank you for what you said. It means a great deal to me. But, are you certain you’re not a teenage beauty queen? Everything you’ve written leads me to the conclusion that you are!
FFLeo:
I refuse to accept that you were not a “teenage beauty queen.”
Mespo…
FFLEO is still a beauty queen!!
Okay, I set myself up for that and I knew I would take some ‘hits’.
Jill,
“Everything you’ve written leads me to the conclusion that you are!”
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Et tu, Bruta?!
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M72 & Sally, what can I say?!
Except ‘such as’….Alas, before I aged, I was a blonde and I was handsome (not! beautiful), but time changes everything. That is why I do not post my picture, like you both do.
Where did you buy your tiara?
Humphft!
Well, at least my self-deprecation has changed the target! However, I am not so sure about this altruism stuff.
Seriously folks, let us somewhat ‘control’ each others’ ad hominems by a polite rebuff/reminder that posits are fair game although ‘arguments via abuse’ are unwelcome to us all.
My tiara is a Stetson, Ma’am…and no, that was as a rough ‘n tough bull rider, and aint no barrel-racing rodeo queen, but I knowed a few of ‘em up close ‘n personal!
Spits out hisn’ Day’s Work plug tabaccy after kickin’ the bull dung ‘n desert dirt….and walks bowlegged–not rides–ofin’ ta the sunset…
eniobob
1, May 15, 2009 at 12:28 pm
FFLEO:
since you were asking for many opinions,I guess every little bit may help.
I may be linking you to a site that you may already know,but here goes.
http://www.jeanmonnetprogram.org/papers/01/010201.html
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Eniobob,
That discussion at the link regarding that specific amicus curiae brief was very informative. I previously understood most of the principles by having traversed the amici curiae process.
However, I learned some important points and I will tell you that each case is different and individual courts have some judicial latitude/discretion on what is allowed and what is excluded in amici briefs; that age-old distinction between the law v facts at the appellate level.
My question took a bit of different route and I was wondering, based on real life experiences, of what actually happens to a late-filed amicus brief. Again, discretion varies depending on the courts and the clerks….
Thanks.
jane re: PNAC,
They’ve only been spotlighted a couple of places and I one of those places is The Daily Show w/John Stewart. John got on Kristol’s case about it one night and Kristol just went into evade mode. As I recall PNAC was agitating for Clinton to change the regime in Iraq.
The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) is a neo-conservative think tank with strong ties to the American Enterprise Institute. PNAC’s web site says it was “established in the spring of 1997″ as “a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership.”
PNAC’s policy document, “Rebuilding America’s Defences,” openly advocates for total global military domination. Many PNAC members hold highest-level positions in the George W. Bush administration. The Project is an initiative of the New Citizenship Project (501c3).
In 2009 two of PNAC’s founders, William Kristol and Robert Kagan, began what some termed “PNAC 2.0,” The Foreign Policy Initiative.
Enough reason to be not for it.
Jane, one of the Algerians that were arrested with Boumediene, who was just released to France was not cleared by judge for release.
The reason was that his intent was to go to Afganistan and fight against American Troops.
PNAC broadcasted thier intent, and then managed to carry it out.
IANAL: How is this different?
Besides dragging us into an unholy war, with the astronomical death tolls, displacement, the moral depravity of torture, and subverersion of the constituion and Int’l treaties, they have destroyed the Iraqi culture and nazified ours.
Why are they still walking around free? Perhaps someone will invade us an send these criminals to establish the Nueremburg 2.0 trials. How can we get justice?
MILITARY DOCUMENTS HEADED WITH SCRIPTURE QUOTES!!!!
OH MY GOD!
OK Mr President – YOU are busy with many urgent issues.
America knows why they are urgent: the 35 year marriage of Congress to Corp with primarily Republican majorities over that time.
Yes – WE KNOW the seeds of the problems rest in Congress working for and being at the recieving end of Big Business for too long AND inappropriately NOT listening too or working for the PEOPLE and THEIR voices.
TODAY WE SEE MILITARY REPORTS AND DOCUMENTS QUOTING SCRIPTURES!!!!! OH MY GOD! I am a christian of 45 years, whose mind has been renewed with truth about God’s gay children having equal rights, religion has done wrong, again on that. AND our Government who seems to support discrimination here, as the military – MY GOD! Seperate is NOT equal here!
WE MUST PROSECUTE, INVESTIGATE THE LEADERS WHO DO WRONG, BREAK LAWS AND CREATE ENEMIES FOR US RATHER THAN FRIENDS! AMERICANS WILL NOT, CANNOT HEAL, MOVE FORWARD IN TRUST AND GOOD SPIRIT UNTIL ACCOUNTIBILITY IS MADE AND WE ARE ALLOWED AS A NATION TO APOLOGIZE TO THE WORLD FOR OUR LACK OF HAVING ANY POWER TO STOP A ROGUE PRESIDENT!
The Americans you talked to amd met over 2 years campaigning were standing outside last week for single payer healthcare. YOU KNOW it is just and right! And you turned them away. Who made the rules that employers are resonsible for healthcare? Well, there’s the description of that “marriage” between Congress and Corp.
And now you have this illegal faith based 8 year program, where Congress has married GIG RELIGIOUS BUSINESS; fought in courts across the land daily, WASTEFUL, riddled with mistakes and missing funds, property, unmonitored and using empolyees that think it is their spirtual duty to discriminate! It will fall like Wall Street to our shame inside our own government, or shut down eventually by the court to YOUR shame as well. MY GOD! Keep Church and State Seperate! It is one of those things you mentioned as you spoke at graduations: “some things are NOT reconciling.”
Mr President – get real with the Change YOU know Americans asked for – beginning in 2006 they demanded investigations on Bush. Pelosi knew it and went political for YOU instead of getting further through these crimes than we are now – LEAVING THEM FOR YOU.
NEVERTHELESS, YOU are the one that we mandate to deal with it, like it or not.
YOU KNOW THE CHANGES WE DEMANDED ARE TO BE MOSTLY WITHIN OUR GOVERNMENT….FIRST…AND YOU MUST DO THESE THINGS!
SCRIPTURES ON MILITARY DOCUMENTS!!!!!!! ILLEGAL WARS!!!!
THINK OF OUR SHAME! Think of yours?
God is not anywhere near all this! – period!
cindy hadden
centralia, WA 98531
MILITARY DOCUMENTS HEADED WITH SCRIPTURE QUOTES!!!!
OH MY GOD!
OK Mr President – YOU are busy with many urgent issues.
America knows why they are urgent: the 35 year marriage of Congress to Corp with primarily Republican majorities over that time.
Yes – WE KNOW the seeds of the problems rest in Congress working for and being at the recieving end of Big Business for too long AND inappropriately NOT listening too or working for the PEOPLE and THEIR voices.
TODAY WE SEE MILITARY REPORTS AND DOCUMENTS QUOTING SCRIPTURES!!!!! OH MY GOD! I am a christian of 45 years, whose mind has been renewed with truth about God’s gay children having equal rights, religion has done wrong, again on that. AND our Government who seems to support discrimination here, as the military – MY GOD! Seperate is NOT equal here!
WE MUST PROSECUTE, INVESTIGATE THE LEADERS WHO DO WRONG, BREAK LAWS AND CREATE ENEMIES FOR US RATHER THAN FRIENDS! AMERICANS WILL NOT, CANNOT HEAL, MOVE FORWARD IN TRUST AND GOOD SPIRIT UNTIL ACCOUNTIBILITY IS MADE AND WE ARE ALLOWED AS A NATION TO APOLOGIZE TO THE WORLD FOR OUR LACK OF HAVING ANY POWER TO STOP A ROGUE PRESIDENT!
The Americans you talked to amd met over 2 years campaigning were standing outside last week for single payer healthcare. YOU KNOW it is just and right! And you turned them away. Who made the rules that employers are resonsible for healthcare? Well, there’s the description of that “marriage” between Congress and Corp.
And now you have this illegal faith based 8 year program, where Congress has married GIG RELIGIOUS BUSINESS; fought in courts across the land daily, WASTEFUL, riddled with mistakes and missing funds, property, unmonitored and using empolyees that think it is their spirtual duty to discriminate! It will fall like Wall Street to our shame inside our own government, or shut down eventually by the court to YOUR shame as well. MY GOD! Keep Church and State Seperate! It is one of those things you mentioned as you spoke at graduations: “some things are NOT reconciling.”
Mr President – get real with the Change YOU know Americans asked for – beginning in 2006 they demanded investigations on Bush. Pelosi knew it and went political for YOU instead of getting further through these crimes than we are now – LEAVING THEM FOR YOU.
NEVERTHELESS, YOU are the one that we mandate to deal with it, like it or not.
YOU KNOW THE CHANGES WE DEMANDED ARE TO BE MOSTLY WITHIN OUR GOVERNMENT….FIRST…AND YOU MUST DO THESE THINGS!
SCRIPTURES ON MILITARY DOCUMENTS!!!!!!! ILLEGAL WARS!!!!
THINK OF OUR SHAME! Think of yours?
God is not anywhere near all this! – period!