Despite an international outcry over its medieval legal system, Iran has announced a real crowd pleaser: eight women and one man will be stoned to death for adultery. Iran applies Sharia law and will execute them in the name of Islamic justice.
There remain a few unstoned women who are fighting against such outrages. One is Shadi Sadr. Her colleague, Mohammad Mostafai represents one woman, Malak Qorbani, whom he insisted plead guilty to adultery even though she did not know the meaning of the charge. That would seem likely since the penalty is stoning.
Stoning remains the rage among Islamic countries who continue to mete out religious codes through their court systems, click here and here .
Futhering your latest premise intended to spin your way out of the pit you’ve dug for yourself, does that also mean that a “CITIZENS ARREST” in your community, is actually when a duly sworn officer of the law places the cuffs on someone, acting on and behalf of the jurisdiction in which he is empowered?
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So in your understanding, when speaking about the “Police and the Citizens”, they are the same thing? From a legal standpoint?
A “citizen” is defined as an officer of the courts?
A “citizen” is defined as a Government offical?
Thats what the term “Citizen” means in your legal definitions ?
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I find your belief system uniquely rich and fascinating.
Just curious.
So…lemme see if I got this straight.
You say “CITIZEN OVERSIGHT” of the police, is the “Police”, performing oversight of themselves.
Because the term “citizen” in that context, to you, means the “Police”.
And you’re really smart…..so…
That means the “Citizen Patrols” in your neighborhood, are actually performed by the Police?
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Do you get a lot of requests from your clients, for refunds?
mespo727272
1, July 23, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Perhaps in your “through the looking glass world,” cops aren’t citizens for if they are, we already have “citizen oversight.”
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Or, you can keep digging, if you like.
“I said “citizen oversight”.”
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Perhaps in your “through the looking glass world,” cops aren’t citizens for if they are, we already have “citizen oversight.” Sorry for attempting to correct your meandering foolishness. I should have known better, because obviously no one can follow your stream of (semi)consciousness prose. Russ was right after all.
Since you’re so fond of maxims, here’s one for you that you could do well to take to heart.
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When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
Or all of the above.
So not only are you illiterate, but you’re dishonest, too.
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Either that or you have a serious reading comprehension problem.
And you know what the really funny part is, schmoozie?
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I never actually said “civilian oversight”.
I said “citizen oversight”.
Not “civilian”.
CITIZEN.
C.I.T.I.Z.E.N
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CITIZEN.
YOU snuck the “civilian” in apparently thinking you could change the meaning of what I said to more closely fit your faltering rebuke, just like the right wing trolls do.
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And you couldn’t even do THAT right.
‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,’ it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.’
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Allegans contraria non est audiendus
Better send in patty again.
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To run some more interference.
Now, please tell me again about the wonderful “education” you’re providing me with.
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I really liked that one.
One more time, since that may be too many words for our friend the messpot.
POLICE ARE PART OF OUR STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
Therefore “CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT”, of our police, would by definition, need to encompass someone OUTSIDE of our state and local governments.
Whats sad is you need that explained.
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So apparently, I was right the first time, when I asked if you were having a problem understanding the meaning of the word “CIVILIAN” in our discussion.
You just didn’t know what the word meant.
Now you do.
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Because you looked it up.
Well gee mespo. We’re glad you know how to cut and paste from a dictionary. Thats great.
Next time, try “reading” the definition before you post it.
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Since we were not talking about the relationship the public has to the military, but the relationship between the public and the justice system, the military definition is not applicable.
So answer “A” is thus moot.
Now, lets look at answer “B”, you so studiously published.
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In answer “B”, we see the definition is “OUTSIDER”.
OUTSIDER.
Now, lets put THAT defintion, in the context of our discussion, and my statement on “civilian oversight”.
I said, that there needs to be CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT of the police in our communities.
Mespo, responded with this little gem.
By the way, no one disagrees with civilian oversight.
That’s why we have local and state governments composed of elected officials
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Now, since our police, are part of our state and local government, then “CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT” would indicate someone OUTSIDE of our state and local governments.
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Yet mespo, the self annointed “legal expert”, thinks that CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT of our State and Local government, would be our State and Local Governments providing oversight on “themselves”.
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You know messpo, I used to think your were just a little pigheaded, albeit, somewhat erudite.
Now I think you’re just none too bright.
ci·vil·ian (n)\sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\
1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law 2 a: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force b: outsider (Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. 2008.)
I’d really like to hear how an “ELECTED OFFICAL”, constitutes a civilian.
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That ones gonna be a keeper.
Well, maybe someday when he takes his foot out of his mouth, he can enlighten us all as to how with regards to the public and law enforcement, the government and our criminal justice system constitutes a “civilian” body.
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He’s really smart and all, so I know he’ll want to “educate” me on that one.
Wow.
That sure was nice of patty, to come in and run interference for her friend like that.
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Not one comment, refutation, fact, or anything else mind you, of anything I said.
Just a general “bartlebee’s evil” proclamation, that mesp can now mutter a barely audible “agreed”, to appear as if something had been said of substance to salvage his foundering position.
Patty C:
Agreed.