Hundreds of people at the 79th annual Bud Billiken Parade found themselves without cars after a towing company, Rendered Services, allegedly posted no parking signs after they had parked and then towed them. They refuse to render what is Rendered. The company now faces an ex post facto posting case.
The citizens and businesses claims that Rendered waited until lots were almost full to post the signs at the parade started at 10 am and then towed away the vehicles. The police were inundated with calls.
In case you are wondering, getting bilked at the Billiken comes to a tune of $170 per vehicle.
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The above message of mine was to gyges but MS, perhaps you can let him know if any of those names didn’t belong on that list of Jews in the Media.
As for your comments MS, I have responded to you far too many times without any rebuttal to warrant spending any more time on your SAME points again and again. Please see: Shock Video: S. Carolina Deputy; Bin Laden Driver Gets 5 1/2 Years; Ohio Officer Acquitted (see copy of the list of Jews in the Media, in which you and I responded to gyges); Israel Restricts Universities, and that’s just in the last week. I love to debate and I hate to argue.
My life may be “perfect”, but my children appreciate and deserve my time much more than you.
Zakimar,
The burden of proof is on the person making the claims. Your flat refusal to list a simple website name makes me think that you’re ashamed of your sources. You tell us that you are talking to people that don’t “believe everything they read” and then berate us for not believing everything we read from you.
Let’s apply your responses to another situation.
Person A: Quebec separatists make up 75% of the Canadian Media.
Person B: How do you know?
Person A: Why should I do your research for you, what are you lazy?
Person B: Just tell me the name of your sources, it’ll take you 30 seconds and save me an hour.
Person A: You won’t believe me anyways, you’re an idiot. Why should I have to research my research for the likes of you to not believe me? You’re a loser.
I started off as civil towards you from the first, which was if I remember correctly you calling for the slaughter of American soldiers. That’s right, you called for the killing of my friends and family and I was civil, and have generally stayed civil. You on the other hand resort to insulting me because I DARE to ask you for your source of information. And yet you claim that you’re the one who is open minded.
Zak,
Re: “So go back to your parents’ basements tonight and turn on Fox or CNN to do some more reel good lernin.”
I think that you don’t realize that most of the posters here are people who have worked a good deal in their lives and are not recent University graduates dependent upon their parents’ support. Mine for instance died when I was 18, 46 years ago and I had to work my way through University, Graduate School and as a post-Graduate, despite the fact I won full tuition scholarships at each level.
You on the other hand, are by your own statement a “person of means,” leading a perfect life. Your constant references to university lead me to conclude you are either still there or have recently graduated and now live off of the family business or financial support.
Because you are obviously so young I’ve treated you gently, since I remember my own youth and my own conviction of my infallibility. Truth to tell though, you are becoming obnoxious because you are so full of yourself that you don’t ever fully read, or comprehend the points you are attacking. This is demonstrated by your lame argumentation, that would in fact make any Neo-Con proud, since they argue in much the same fashion. You in fact mostly respond as a spoiled rich boy, who professes compassion for others, but is just using that profession as a reflection of his own narcissism.
When I posted the list, the response was typical nonsense like that from you, rafflaw, percy, mespo, jill and the like. As most of the ignorant seem content in their ignorance, it’s not for me to research my research so that the likes of you can say, “so why should we believe…” I know that I’ll never change the minds of your ilk, so I’m not directing my comments to you, but to the intelligent people that want to learn and demonstrate that by not believing everything they read and actually doing some of their own research. So go back to your parents’ basements tonight and turn on Fox or CNN to do some more reel good lernin.
Zak,
First of all I didn’t state that Saudi crime rates were equivalent to those in the US, I said:”In Saudi Arabia, for instance, where such draconian punishments abound crime is still quite existent.” and based on your figures that is true although the rates there are low. I in fact referenced medieval England rather than the US. Why do you think that was? My point was about the futility of draconian punishment as a deterrent to crime.
Check out the murder rate in the US for the leading States that apply the Death Penalty (Texas, for one), as compared to those that don’t, if you want an example of what I mean. While some valid objections regarding your statistics have been raised, I’ll accept them as real and indeed exemplary.
However, I am interested in your preferences. Do you think Saudi Arabia, an absolute monarchy/oligarchy, that proclaims itself an Islamic State is a good place for average people to live? Do you believe that their draconian system of dealing both with crime and morality is a good way to run a society? Do you believe that oppression of women, not allowing them to drive for instance, is a valid tool of male control?
If you do then please stop preaching to us about your commitment to fighting injustice in this world, because you are either a hypocrite or a fanatic. This is not about European vs. Islamic justice, this is about fundamental human rights that apply despite the tyranny of particular cultures. This is also about nations where wealth and power are under the aegis of a small percentage of a predominantly oppressed citizenry.
Finally, in other posts you have alluded to the fact that you “have a perfect life” and implied that you are a man of means. Could it be that although you espouse a need to assist the oppressed and downtrodden, your own comfort skews the views you have of oppression and softens them when it comes to issues of your own exalted status?
Zakimar,
I’m still waiting to find out how you know those 75% are Jewish? What’s lazier, me not wanting to spend an hour weeding through a bunch of websites or you not wanting to spend the 30 seconds it would take for you to type your source? We don’t ask for sources on most things you post, just when you give specific numbers or extensive lists.
As far as criticizing your sources (although this is the first time I can remember you listing one), that’s legitimate debate. If every time you listed a source people said “That’s source is wrong.” and didn’t give a reason why, you’d be perfectly right to say “You always find fault with my sources. I can only think of one time you’ve given the source, and all that was said about it was something that you later acknowledged. Further more if you KNOW your source has issues, just say something like “This is where I got my numbers, but you have to take into consideration that ______.” Saying “I knew that but I was waiting to use it against you,” is sort of disingenuous.
You’d also probably seem a little more reasonable and a little less obsessive about things if every thread didn’t seem to end up with you talking about the Zionists. Including one about a tow truck company, several about police brutality, and one about a man arrested for child molestation. I realize you’re not always the first to bring up the subject of Middle eastern affairs, but you seem to have a script on the matter.
That’s a relief, I was expecting an argument of, “My mind’s made up, don’t confuse me with the facts”. But I guess an argument of, ‘I can’t believe anything they say’ will do.
Zakimar,
I didn’t say that the stats weren’t good enough. I was just saying that any country that represses a significant portion of its population may not accurately report the crimes of its citizens. Saudi Arabia is not the only country. Statistics from any dictatorship would be suspect. Remember we are living with a President who doesn’t believe in science and lies about WMD’s in order to get us into a war so why should we believe what a dictatorship reports.
That’s one of the ironies I was going to point out to the next person who came up with some excuse as to why these figures weren’t ‘good enough’ for them (which I take it you’re not). There are many more acts that are considered crimes in a country like Saudi Arabia than the US, yet SA still has fewer criminals. Most “moral” issues are not crimes in the US, homosexuality, adultery, fornication, as well as other acts such as drinking alcohol, suggestive clothing, unaccompanied females etc.
Zionists would like to use the fact that SOME Islamic countries have SOME different laws to put a wedge between Muslims and Christian Americans, without pointing out the different laws of Israel. I posted a comment about a brave, female, American, Jew Rachel Corrie that was murdered by being crushed with a bulldozer that she was trying to stop from destroying yet more Palestinian homes. The fact that a Jew was driving made it an “accident” that the US Government and Media failed to address, if it were an Arab driving, he would be a “terrorist”. Others that praise Israel and condemn Arabs and Muslims had nothing to say.
Also, I remember when a Texan killed two people with a shotgun for stealing from a neighbor’s home last year, he was not charged and was even called a hero. I’m sure they would have rather lost a hand than being shot in the back and losing their lives.
I would point out some of the more bizarre acts carried out by Jews, but as to not be labeled an anti-Semite, I’ll defer until the proper occasion presents itself.
Here I get, “Obama is a piece of crap” and “I’m guessing they come from something that rests on a bike seat!” I really miss debating with intelligent people. I guess a career in media is out of the question for me.
Zakimar,
Thanks for the cite. I looked at it and couldn’t find how these countries differ in their reporting of the crimes. I don’t doubt that the U.S. has a higher rate of reported crime when compared to Saudi Arabia, but there is also a definition issue when you are talking about a country that does not allow women to drive a car. What happens to a woman who commits adultery in Saudi Arabia, and is that result considered a crime?
If this blog required people to reference facts, in my opinion, 2/3 of people would disappear. I know it’s because some people are too lazy to do any research, but most are not only ignorant, but are content in their ignorance.
I once stated that the media was at least 75% controlled by Jews. Instead of doing their own research, I was told that I was being “less than truthful”, I was asked for proof or was just countered with propaganda/lies, by the LAZY. When I responded with hard figures, I was ridiculed for producing the list, by the IGNORANT. So instead of an apology, the ignorant will not respond to the facts or counter with more unsubstantiated propaganda.
rafflaw; Go to Nationmaster.com, unlike Jill, I believe ignorance is a BAD thing.
I guess it’s easier to be ‘igornant’ like Jill that to press the keys on her keyboard in the following sequence: C R I M E R A T E S B Y C O U N T R Y ‘Enter key’. There’s a new thing ‘out there’ called “Google”.
If I was this wrong, this often, it would encourage me to go back and at least finish Junior High. “I’m guessing they come from (something that rests on a bike seat)!”, at least makes someone a ‘lady’.
I’m guessing they come from something that rests on a bike seat!
Zakimar,
Where are your numbers from? What is your source? That information would be useful to verify their accuracy.
When you state opinion, that’s wonderful, but when you try to pass it off as fact, please provide some stats. Although, “crime is still quite existent” may very well have been just your vague generalization. But since research seems difficult for some, I have had to compile yet another list for you.
Per Capita Crime Rates per 1 000 – USA vs. Saudi Arabia
Assaults 7.6 0.17
Car Theft 3.88 0.21
Murders 0.043 0.0039
Rapes 0.30 0.0032
Prisoners 7.15 1.1
Now feel free to give us your opinion as to why the rates are so different, I have an answer, but feel free to go first.
Michael,
That was a wonderful story. I think you’re correct. We need something safe, comfortable and mechanically reliable to get from point A to point B. Preferabley it would come in your choice of electric, hydrogen or biodiesel! It’s like watches or diamonds. None of these are rare objects but you’d think you were buying Sumerian grave goods on the black market the way they’re treated. Parenthetically, I’ve never done that:)!
But really, if you’re not opening a trunk to find a dead body or somebody isn’t making a denunciation of atheists on the hood, or someone isn’t flying around an oval with stickers all over the body–it just ain’t cars!
“Although, I’m sure if he was afraid he’d lose a hand for theft, it wouldn’t have happened in the first place.”
Zak,
If that was true, why was it that in medieval England which hung pickpockets, public hangings were hotbeds of pickpocketing? Your ME mentality is showing. In Saudi Arabia, for instance, where such draconian punishments abound crime is still quite existent.
Jill,
As the son of a Car Dealer and Car Salesman I can tell you that you correctly perceive it to be a business rife with sleeze. So much so that I became a civil servant and social worker in reaction. I think the sleeziness stems from the fact that the Corporate Culture has sold the automobile as a status and sex symbol. Most people use and buy cars to fulfill their need for status(at whatever level), or as proof of their own sexual desirability (see The Hidden Persuaders by Vance Packard as a guide)and power. Given this, most automobile decisions are tinged with irrationality, giving those of a lesser ethical persuasion the opportunity to cheat and steal.
I would give the tow operator a choice, being charges with the theft of the 50 cars and receiving the appropriate sentence or paying for each driver’s gasoline until his conviction and sentencing, the free gas would compensate the victims for their troubles.
Although, I’m sure if he was afraid he’d lose a hand for theft, it wouldn’t have happened in the first place.
Why is it that anything to do with cars just gets sleezy?