Lawyer Tasered at Tampa Hearing

180px-m26_taserCarl Roland Hayes, 53, appeared at a city Code enforcement hearing in Tampa, Florida and was tasered twice after becoming upset and allegedly unruly. The controversy turned on the fact that Hayes installed aluminum windows rather than wooden windows in a historic home.

Officer Dan Miller escorted Hayes from the hearing after Hayes became upset with remarks from historic preservation code inspector Aminta Owen. He allegedly accused white people in the room of being racists and yelled that he was just trying to live his life. Hayes wanted to replace a couple windows a month but Own objected that it would take too long. Hayes said that he just had brain surgery and lost half his money.

Miller said that Hayes slapped the his face and he hit him with the taser, which had little effect. He then decided to “drive stun” Hayes by holding the gun directly to his chest.

Hayes has been charged with battery on a law enforcement officer, trespassing after warning and obstructing an officer with violence.

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22 thoughts on “Lawyer Tasered at Tampa Hearing”

  1. Excited delirium is not an accepted medical condition. It is not recognized by the American Medical Association or the Canadian Medical Association, and is not included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (published by the American Psychiatric Association). It’s a nice sounding fiction promulgated by Taser, Inc., but that’s all it is.

  2. Lindy Lou,
    I forgot to thank you for clueing me in on what “drive stun” meant.
    Jill,
    The Pope will never give up his gold candlesticks!

  3. Hi rafflaw,

    I sure hope you are right. There are many things that give me pause right now. It won’t hurt to keep our ears to the ground. I don’t trust these people.

    P.S. Glad you won’t have to give up the technology as you’d have to pry that last gold candlestick from the pope’s cold dead hand, if you want to give it to the poor!!!

  4. Jill and Tek,
    That full army unit that is stationed in the US does concern me. I think the Dems should look into that situation as soon as the new Congress is seated. I do believe that the Bushites will leave office, but they are doing everything that they can to screw things up on the way out.

  5. ‘…People die from excited delirium sometimes, and we don’t know a lot about it. This happens, at times, when subjects are tased. Sometimes when they are maced, and sometimes, after a fight with the cops. It is not directly from the taser. Guess how many times the Taser company has been sued? Tons. How many times have they lost? Zero. Tasers save lives, and so do cops. Of all people, lawyers should know that they need to follow the law…’
    ***

    Guess again…
    People die from cardiac arrest.

    Maybe we need a few more judgments like this one, below, and good old fashioned common sense training for police officers like technicAL is describing.

    How about mandatory reviewable certification and taser permits?
    —-

    Patty C 1, November 29, 2008 at 2:37 am

    ‘These weapons are not safe and are not harmless. They need to either be used more widely or banned entirely.’
    ****

    Huh???
    The need is for them to be used, safely and effectively, by law enforcement personnel who are trained members of Crisis Response Units, if at all.

    http://extralaw.blogspot.com/2008_06_01_archive.html

    Federal Court Jury Awards 6.2 Million Dollars in TASER-Related Death

    A Federal Court Jury returned a verdict late Friday in the amount of $6,221,000.00 against TASER International Inc., for the wrongful death of a 40-year-old Salinas, California, man.

  6. tek,

    That is an interesting juxtapostion you outlined above. I think you are absolutely correct in saying, “The militarization of domestic law enforcement is nearly complete.” We now have one full unit of the regular army stationed in the US to help with “crowd control”. The police do in fact have military style training and weapons. There is no “need” for either.

    In other countries computers, cable (India) and cell phones have been shut down by various govt. authorities during crises. I doubt those lessons have been lost on the administration here. The day before thanksgiving the police were patrolling in NYC with M-16s due to a “potential threat” the govt. supposedly heard about in Sept. And certainly what happened during the RNC and DNC was quite disturbing.

    I truly wonder if these people are leaving office. They don’t act like people who are leaving.

  7. Excited delirium? I would like to see the stats for that.

    I actually remember when we had peace officers instead of war officers. My father was a police officer for 31 years, and my father in-law 20 plus years in NY and neither ever had to fire a shot in any situation. They could handle even armed suspects through reasoning and conflict resolution as opposed to violent confrontation.

    Compliance is best achieved with good old fashioned reasoned discourse, (other wise known as talking) to diffuse a situation by refocusing the unruly persons attention. Quite honestly, tasers are a tool of bad police officers who lack any real skills in communication.

    These incidents are a symptom of a bigger problem. The militarization of domestic law enforcement is nearly complete. Bush’s executive orders, Patriot Act and it’s aftermath have nearly sealed it. Witness the Feds involvement in St. Paul and Denver political conventions.

  8. Look, the lawyer was disobeying lawful orders, resisting arrest, and battered a cop…what about that makes you think that the cop involved was just pissed off because the lawyer “wouldn’t show him respect”. Witnesses to the event have stated that the cop actually told him that he didn’t want to arrest him, he just wanted to him to calm down and leave. This guy accused the people in the courtroom of being racist, hit a cop, and you defend his actions? The taser is non-lethal. It is a tool. In this instance, it was completely justified. Would you prefer the cop to engage in a fist-fight with the lawyer in the courthouse? That is another alternative, would that make you feel better? People die from excited delirium sometimes, and we don’t know a lot about it. This happens, at times, when subjects are tased. Sometimes when they are maced, and sometimes, after a fight with the cops. It is not directly from the taser. Guess how many times the Taser company has been sued? Tons. How many times have they lost? Zero. Tasers save lives, and so do cops. Of all people, lawyers should know that they need to follow the law.

  9. “God Bless the Taser; one of a a police officer’s best friends and lifesavers.”

    “OBAMA IS SAME OLD SAME OLD.”

    Jeff,
    Yes this is a website that encourages freedom of thought and welcomes diversity of opinions. I perceive though from your comments that you exemplify neither the former, nor latter. You’re
    just another troll, with too much time on his hands, endlessly repeating your inane talking points, created by Grover Norquist and disseminated by Drudge, O’Reilly, Hannity, FOX and the National Review. I suggest that you disturb the fog clouding your mind and try to actually do some of your own thinking. Who knows, perhaps then you’ll have something of interest to say?

  10. Summers has ties to prominent hedge fund
    By: Eamon Javers
    November 28, 2008 07:44 AM EST

    On the same day Lawrence Summers was announced as President-elect Barack Obama’s top White House economics adviser, the veteran economist said he would resign from one of the nation’s largest, richest, and most successful hedge funds, D.E. Shaw & Co.

    Even as Summers takes the lead of economic policy thinking for the Obama White House, which has promised to be one of the most open and transparent in history, neither the Obama transition team nor D.E. Shaw would say exactly what Summers had done in his two years of work for the $36 billion hedge fund, or how much he has been paid.

    D.E. Shaw was founded in 1988 by David E. Shaw. In 2007, Shaw personally earned an estimated $210 million, reports Alpha magazine, and he spent a chunk of it on contributions to prominent Democratic politicians during the 2008 presidential cycle.

    Overall, the hedge fund’s employees skew heavily Democratic, contributing more than $300,000 to political candidates in the 2008 campaign cycle, according to the center. Only $1,000 of that went to a Republican: Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas.

    The hedge fund also has gotten much more involved in Washington policymaking in 2007 & 2008, pushing a new Democratic Congress to resist increased regulation and taxation of hedge funds in Washington.

    A spokesperson for the Obama transition team declined to say what Summers had done for the hedge fund and how much he had been paid. But the Obama camp likely knows the answers, since the vetting questionnaire for applicants for administration posts requests tax returns and other detailed financial information, including the applicant’s net worth, real estate holdings, business partnerships, even gifts.

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  11. Rafflaw,

    It was mentioned in the football bleacher story.

    “The Taser was used in the “drive stun” mode, meaning the propellant cartridge was removed and the Taser held against the body to cause pain without incapacitating the person, instead of firing projectiles from a distance to demobilize a suspect.”

    It’s meant to “cause pain without incapacitating the person,” yet the tased person had to be put into a wheelchair. One of the articles about that incident also says that the police believe using tasers is just another step in obtaining compliance. It’s sounding more like some cops dole it out as punishment for disobedience.

  12. Summers has ties to prominent hedge fund
    By: Eamon Javers
    November 28, 2008 07:44 AM EST

    On the same day Lawrence Summers was announced as President-elect Barack Obama’s top White House economics adviser, the veteran economist said he would resign from one of the nation’s largest, richest, and most successful hedge funds, D.E. Shaw & Co.

    Even as Summers takes the lead of economic policy thinking for the Obama White House, which has promised to be one of the most open and transparent in history, neither the Obama transition team nor D.E. Shaw would say exactly what Summers had done in his two years of work for the $36 billion hedge fund, or how much he has been paid.

    D.E. Shaw was founded in 1988 by David E. Shaw. In 2007, Shaw personally earned an estimated $210 million, reports Alpha magazine, and he spent a chunk of it on contributions to prominent Democratic politicians during the 2008 presidential cycle.

    Overall, the hedge fund’s employees skew heavily Democratic, contributing more than $300,000 to political candidates in the 2008 campaign cycle, according to the center. Only $1,000 of that went to a Republican: Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas.

    The hedge fund also has gotten much more involved in Washington policymaking in 2007 & 2008, pushing a new Democratic Congress to resist increased regulation and taxation of hedge funds in Washington.

    A spokesperson for the Obama transition team declined to say what Summers had done for the hedge fund and how much he had been paid. But the Obama camp likely knows the answers, since the vetting questionnaire for applicants for administration posts requests tax returns and other detailed financial information, including the applicant’s net worth, real estate holdings, business partnerships, even gifts.

    OBAMA IS SAME OLD SAME OLD..

  13. Obama adviser that called Clinton “monster” is back
    By ASSOCIATED PRESS

    A former adviser to Barack Obama’s presidential campaign who once called Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton a “monster” is now working on the transition team.

    State Department officials said Friday that Samantha Power is among foreign policy experts the president-elect selected to help the incoming administration prepare.

    During the Democratic primary campaign, Power called Clinton “a monster” in an interview. She then resigned.

  14. I hit “submit” too soon!!

    I was going to finish with

    There just needs to be stricter guidelines as to when a taser should and should not be used. There seems to be no rules for the use of them.

  15. The use of a taser in this case was excessive. I’m sure the cop could have handled it better. Cops handled out of control people without tasers in the past. Pretty soon, we’ll have a bunch of out of shape cops who only have their tasers to rely on instead of their health and strength.

    I say, let’s leave the tasers for people who are threatening the safety of others (I don’t really think the cop’s safety was in danger). Tasering people who won’t move seats is also not a good thing, nor is tasering them at political events for asking the “wrong” questions.

    I see nothing wrong with tasering someone who attempts to run from the cops; you don’t want to be tased, then don’t run from the cops. Especially if they’ve just committed a heinous crime (such as a hit and run where there are serious injuries or another person has been harmed by their actions).

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  16. It occurs to me that the proliferation of tasering incidents is rooted in the belief in their non-lethality. The obvious lethality of guns inhibits their use among most peace officers. Affronts to their sensibilities(and deep desire for respectful citizens)has been psychologically balanced by the officer’s desire not to get into trouble. The “supposedly” non lethal taser gives them a tool to punish those not obeying their every order (paying them their due respect), without the approbation coming from the public and their superiors that would stem from shooting. The time has arrived for clear policies and punishments limiting taser’s usage to only truly emergent situations.

  17. It seems that we get one of these tasering stories almost every day. This is the first one that I can recall that mentions the “drive stun” technique. If the defendant struck the officer than he should be detained and charged. I just don’t trust the need of the officer to use the stun gun on him twice.

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