Eligibility Questions: Can Clinton Serve Obama and Can Obama Serve the Country?

220px-hillary_rodham_clinton220px-barack_obamaThis week, the Supreme Court will likely consider whether to grant review in in a case challenging the eligibility of President-elect Barack Obama due to his alleged foreign birth or his lack of “natural born” status. In the meantime, another constitutional question of eligibility is being raised over Hillary Clinton’s nomination as Secretary of State. I will be discussing both issues tonight on MSNBC Countdown.

The odds are strongly against the Supreme Court taking up the case from New Jersey questioning Obama’s eligibility. The lawsuit was originally filed on behalf of Leo Donofrio against New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells to challenge Obama’s right to run for president. While some lawsuits allege that Obama is ineligible due to his alleged birth in another country like Kenya, Mr. Donofrio has written to me to clarify that this is not his argument. Here is part of his email to me:

My law suit challenges his status as a “natural born citizen” based upon the fact that his Father was a British citizen/subject. Mr. Obama admits, at his own web site, that he was a British citizen/subject at birth. He was also a US citizen “at birth”. He does not have dual nationality now, but the Constitution is concerned with the candidate’s status “at birth”, hence the word “born” in the requirement. . . . I have repeatedly said, over and again, that I believe Obama was born in Hawaii. I have criticized everyone who has said Mr. Obama is not a citizen. I believe he is a “native born citizen”, but not a “natural born citizen”. The law suit is based upon what distinction the framers drew between the requirement for a Senator and Representative, which only requires “Citizen” status as opposed to the requirements for President, which requires “natural born Citizen” status.

Other lawsuits focus on the foreign born question, as shown below. Obama insists that he was born in Hawaii and has an authentic birth certificate establishing that he is a “natural-born” citizen. The argument over dual citizenship is novel, but in my view inherently weak. Given the ambiguity of the term, it is likely that the Court would opt for the more expansive reading. The Supreme Court is loathe to undo the results of an election. Clearly, it must do so when there is a clear constitutional or statutory flaw. However, the institutional culture of the Court weighs heavily to avoid such confrontations except in the most unavoidable circumstances. Members view the institutional integrity of the Court as requiring such institutional restraint. One could call this “political” or “cultural” or “institutional”, but it is an overriding value. I do not agree with the narrow view of standing to block cases on this kind. However, on the merits, the Court is more likely to adopt the broader view of natural born citizen unless the test clearly bars such an interpretation — it does not in my view. For those of us who comment on the likely outcome of Supreme Court, the odds on this one are long and obvious. Historically and legally, this is simply unlikely.

Litigants want a court to review the original birth certificate, which is locked in a state vault. However, they face serious standing problems. I believe that these lawsuits are meritless, but I have great problem with these standing barriers to review. Standing has been so narrowed in the last few decades that there are now some constitutional provisions that seem unenforceable in court for lack of anyone with standing. Moreover, I am not sure why the original isn’t simply produced for a more open review. Today it was reported today that the certificate was reviewed by an independent group and a conservative organization, which accepted its authenticity.

It is a shame for such cases to be resolved on purely technical standing grounds. This is the type of claim that should not be allowed to fester and enter the realm of conspiracy theory on the blogosphere. This is precisely what happened with Chester Arthur who claimed that he was born in Vermont but was thought to have been foreign born in Canada just across the border. The value of court review is to remove such clouds of doubt and to assure citizens that the constitutional requirements have been satisfied. I have included the factual allegations of one complaint below.

It was inevitable that we would deal with this controversy since both John McCain and Barack Obama had people challenging their eligibility. However, still stinging from the Bush v. Gore controversy, this is not the type of case that either conservatives or liberals on the Court will likely embrace — absent the strongest possible evidence.

Assuming (as is virtually certain) that Obama is eligible to give anyone a Cabinet position, there remains the question of whether he can give one to Hillary Clinton.

Article 1, Section 6 of the Constitution says the following: “No Senator or Representative shall, during the time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil office under the authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time.”

The salary for Secretary of State was in fact increased during Clinton’s term even though it was an automatic provision. That increase of $4,700 could prove costly to Clinton. [Actually, I am most curious about Clinton’s towering campaign debt. She has been unsuccessful in getting Obama supporters to pay for her debt after the bruising campaign. As a senator, she could still hold fundraisers, but, as Secretary of State, new limitations would apply. I am curious whether those negotiations with the Obama staff included an agreement to assume the debt.]

Professor Larry Tribe has argued that, because the raise was automatic, it was not a true vote to increase the salary:

“I am, finally, influenced by the fact that the salary increase at issue here was created not by any enactment for which Senator Clinton voted or on which she had any opportunity to vote. Rather, that increase was created by a statute enacted well before Hillary Clinton was elected to the Senate. My understanding is that the 1990s cost-of-living statute in question, 5 U.S.C. Sec. 5303, automatically increases the salaries for a number of federal offices, including that of Secretary of State, provided the President does not certify that the increase would be inappropriate.”

I am not convinced despite my respect for Tribe. The Emoluments Clause applies when the office’s salary “shall have been encreased.” Thus, while it is often presumed that it was by vote (and indeed Clinton voted for appropriations including the higher salary) it is the increase during the term that matter. Notably, one of the early proposed drafts of the clause included language limiting it to an increase of emoluments “by the legislature of the U[nited] States,” which would have required a direct vote but that was changed to the more general language. Moreover, the vote on appropriations with the increased salary further reinforces the applicability of the prohibition.

My guess is that she would willingly pass on the increase — despite the symbolism of the pay gap between men and women in the Cabinet. Now, that is a pay parity controversy in the making. However, it is not simply a matter of asking to be paid less.

Taking the language on its face, it would seem to bar Clinton – at least until 2013.

Democrats may try to pull a Saxbe. Not Saxby Chambliss , Ohio Sen. William Saxbe when he was nominated to be President Nixon’s attorney general in 1974. Texas Sen. Lloyd Bentsen also got around the problem when he was nominated as President Clinton’s Treasury secretary in 1993. Congress has lowered the salary to make them eligible. Technically, that would not seem to satisfy the rule since it is triggered by a vote to increase the salary. It was one of the Framer’s protections against self-dealing and conflicts of interest. However, Clinton may rely on the standing issue — arguing that no one has authority to force review of her eligibility. She will likely be successful, but once again the use of standing to avoid a court review is inimical, in my view, to the protection of constitutional values.

My concern is the way that this question has been dismissed as an inconvenience that should be circumvented by a clever piece of legislation. After years of rightful indignation over Bush’s violations of the Constitution, Democrats should not take power by embracing the same dismissive attitude toward the language of the Constitution. Many of these arguments are creative, but they have to work too hard to avoid the obvious meaning of the Constitution.

For the full story on Clinton, click here.

For the full story on Obama, click here.

In one of the past complaints (on behalf of Plaintiff Steven R Marquis in Washington state), the material facts are presented below:

5.3. There are questions as to where Obama was actually born; in the United States or abroad but subsequently registered in Hawaii. There are further questions regarding Obama’s United States citizenship, if he ever held such, being expatriated and his failure to regain his citizenship by taking the oath of allegiance once he turned eighteen (18) years of age. There are additional questions regarding Obama’s multi-citizenships with foreign countries, which he may still maintain. To date, Obama has refused to prove he is qualified under the U.S. Constitution and his eligibility to run as President of the United States despite requests and recent opportunities to do so in Federal Court.

5.4. The “certificate” that Mr. Obama has posted on his official WEB site is a “Certification of Live Birth,” and not a “Birth Certificate” from Hawaii. There is no indication on even this certificate as to specifically where the birth took place.

5.5. Researchers have claimed to have been unable to locate any birthing records in island hospitals for Barak Obama’s mother. Mr. Obama has offered none for review.

5.6. Three forensic document experts have published extensive reports claiming that there is evidence of tampering on even the Obama WEB site displayed certificate.

5.7. Numerous Freedom of Information Requests have been sent to Officials in Hawaii with no response from the public officials nor has Mr. Obama granted access for release of the information lending to the concern over the veracity of the attestation on the candidate’s application for candidacy for the office of President of the United States.

5.8. The facts are undisputed by Obama that his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S. citizen however, his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama’s parents, according to divorce records, were married on or about February 2, 1961.

5.9. Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961; however, has never given the name of the hospital he was born in; whereas there are reports that Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, half brother and half sister claim Mr. Barack H. Obama was born in Kenya. Reports further reflect that Mr. Obama’s mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy. Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008 stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Kenya Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen. There are claims of records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii, but these have not been released for scrutiny. It is alleged in the Federal trial and is a matter of much general speculation that Mr. Obama’s mother was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. It is likely that Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama’s birth.

5.10. Regarding the alleged birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii, it is variously circulated that Obama’s birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital. Obama has provided no proof of birth from of either of these or any other US based facility. He has made no effort to address these public concerns.

5.11. There are no published or known hospital birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama), Obama’s mother. There are only claims of records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.

5.12. There is even a Canadian Birth Certificate posted on the Internet in the name of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.; however, the date of birth shows to be August 23, 1961

5.13. At the time of Obama’s birth in 1961, Kenya was a British Colony. Subsequently, under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Mr. Barack H. Obama became a Kenyan citizen on December 12, 1963. There are no indications or reports that Mr. Obama ever renounced that dual citizenship conferred either by nature of birth or by virtue of his father’s Kenyan citizenship. On Mr. Obama’s Senate web site, Mr. Obama acknowledges his father holds Kenyan nationality but avoids addressing that that he (Mr. Obama) also held/holds Kenyan nationality.

170 thoughts on “Eligibility Questions: Can Clinton Serve Obama and Can Obama Serve the Country?”

  1. “A natural born citizen is one who was born within the United States and its territories and possessions. It is someone who is born under the American flag.” Jerome Barron, Law Professor, GW Law School, quoted by Afro:

    http://www.afro.com/tabid/456/itemid/2273/Obamas-Eligibility-Challenged.aspx

    The newspaper The Afro asked Professor Barron, an esteemed colleague of Professor Turley, his opinion. Barron has studied and taught the Constitution for his entire professional life. He was my con law teacher nearly 40 years ago, and on of my best teachers ever.

    For arguments from authority, this is as strong as it gets.

  2. The only reason why this group is trying to litigate away the legal and historic election of Barack Obama is very easy to surmise. The man is black and “they” cannot live in a world that might actually allow someone who might undo most of the evil and illegal things that the Bush regime has done to this country and our Constitution. Great job by Mespo and Vince, et al for your yeoman work in debunking this Donofrio crowd.

  3. This natural born citizen crowd will probably fall all over themselves trying to reverse their arguments if Ahnold is ever seriously considered for president.

  4. Really?

    I’d be wary of the bungling moron with delusions of world conquest who over the last 8 years trashed the country, the economy, our military, our international credibility, the economy, and essentially ran into everything he touched like a drunken bull in a china shop.

    That’s the guy I’d be “wary of”.

  5. I would mean a usurper who would spend over 1 million on three different law offices to hide all his personal data. A person who would turn off all the security features so he could get campaign donations from countries like Gaza. Thats the kind of guy i would be wary of.

  6. the leftist illuminati has shown through the media and otherwise that they have so much power.. that I would be really surprised if either of these things prevents these people from being able to take office.

  7. The worst among all of (u)surpers posting is a waffle(r) using Karo instead of Maple surp.

    Obama is not a usurper nor a waffler, as charged, but he does change his mind.

    Corny tension break within a serious discussion…

  8. A ” usurper”?

    You mean like a guy who steals an election by leveraging the use of his brother who is the governor of a deciding state to set up roadblocks to keep 16,000 democrats from voting?

    Or like a guy who steals an election by having his campaign manager for the state in question count the votes, tossing out 90,000 of them so he can win?

    You mean a “usurper” like that do you?

  9. Dear Professor Turley,
    How then can a citizen successfully sue to prevent a usurper from taking office? The courts say we have “no standing” — in other words we, the citizens of the United States, have no rights when it comes to protecting ourselves and our country from a usurper! If this is the case, how is our country any different from Zimbabwe or any other banana republic. It saddens my heart to realize we have no real “rights”.

  10. Back to the emoluments branch of this thread. The Saxbe fix in 1973 did have a clause, added I think by Sam Ervin, allowing for challenges.

    The trouble is that while Congress can confer jurisdiction on the courts, it cannot manufacture a case or controversy.

    So a person had to be aggrieved to use this. It does not seem that anyone ever availed themselves of it.

    Actions Challenging Appointment of Attorney General on Grounds of Violation of Constitutional Provisions Governing Compensation and Other Emoluments

    Pub. L. 93–178, § 2, Dec. 10, 1973, 87 Stat. 697, provided that:

    “(a) Any person aggrieved by an action of the Attorney General may bring a civil action in the appropriate district court to contest the constitutionality of the appointment and continuance in office of the Attorney General on the ground that such appointment and continuance in office is in violation of article I, section 6, clause 2, of the Constitution. The United States district courts shall have exclusive jurisdiction, without regard to the sum or value of the matter in controversy, to determine the validity of such appointment and continuance in office.

    “(b) Any action brought under this section shall be heard and determined by a panel of three judges in accordance with the provisions of section 2284 of title 28, United States Code. Any appeal from the action of a court convened pursuant to such section shall lie to the Supreme Court.

    “(c) Any judge designated to hear any action brought under this section shall cause such action to be in every way expedited.”

  11. Donofrio v. Wells doesn’t just apply to first-generation Americans but also indigenous American peoples too.

    What members of American Indian Nations who are born on reservations like Charles Curtis, 31st Vice-President of the United States? Aren’t all American Indians dual citizens of both the United States and also their tribal nations?

  12. Heather, you are absolutely right. You have highlighted some ignorance and some outright hypocrisy. As I said above, “We know you are all are trying to do the same thing that Taney did, to exclude an African American from the Constitution. To bad Taney is no longer on the Court.”

    Donofrio is an insult to all first generation Americans.

    BTW, Donofrio has chickened out of the National Press Club meeting. QUOTE ON Posted in Uncategorized on December 6, 2008 by naturalborncitizen ALL REPORTS STATING I WILL BE AT THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB ON MON DECEMBER 8, 2008 ARE FALSE.
    I will not be there and am not in any way associated with this event.Please pass this information out to the blogosphere far and wide. The event has nothing to do with me. World Net Daily has their story wrong. I am not involved and nobody is representing my case at this event. UNQUOTE

    His 15 minutes of fame are rapidly expiring.

  13. WHAT ABOUT MONDALE AND AGNEW?

    If you or somebody you know is attending the National Press Club meeting this upcoming Monday in Washington by Mr. Donofrio and Mr. Berg, ask them how come 42nd Vice-President Walter Mondale, who would have had German citizenship at the time of his birth through his father, as well as 39th Vice-President Spiro Agnew, who would have had Greek citizenship at the time of his birth through his father, were never questioned about being natural-born US citizens and both sworn in without issue? Also note that by the standards of Donofrio v. Wells, neither Colin Powell nor Mitt Romney nor Bobby Jindal would be “natural-born” US citizens because all their respect fathers were foreign born.
    Donofrio v. Wells is really insulting to first-generation Americans and in particular non-White first-generation Americans since this whole concept was never brought up prior to inauguration of either V-P Mondale or V-P Agnew.

  14. Vince:

    I did enjoy your Pope retort to Old Glory. Where does one apply for that job. As my former history teacher, Mr. Coker, use to say: “That’s nice work if you can get it.”

  15. Vince:

    I wouldn’t waste any more time with Christopher Wiseman. I read his bio on his blog and he’s a paralegal and wanna be attorney. To surmise that the statements of the Amendment’s sponsors determine its interpretation shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the system. A bill’s sponsor does not interpret the bill; the Courts do that using precedent developed over years of experience. While an individual Senator’s comments may have some value on the issue of intent, those comments are not dispositive.

    In US v. Won Kim Ark (1898), the Court handled just such a nonsensical challenge to a natural born Chinese citizen status confirming place of birth as determinative but subject to three restrictions which do not apply to Obama. (One of those restrictions as applied to Indians was legislated away in 1924). The Court said :”Upon the facts agreed in this case, the American citizenship which Wong Kim Ark acquired by birth within the United States has not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth.”

    “Justice” Wiseman cavalierly tells us this bedrock case was “misapplied,” whatever that means. (I suppose he means wrongly decided). To support that contention, he cites some dicta by Justice Gray (who was tediously recounting the legislative history)in the case purportedly showing the majority’s rationale. Of course, Gray discarded those statements in reaching the opposite result based upon prior common law precedent specifically the English case of ‘Calvin’s Case,’ reported by Lord Coke, and The Charming Betsy (1804) with an opinion by Chief Justice John Marshall. Two gentlemen with slightly more credibility than our own “Justice” Wiseman here.

    A classic example of a guy with a little knowledge being dangerous and trying to fill in the gaps in his knowledge with his own rather uninformed opinions. As he notes on his blog, I am sure he was a fine marine and Eagle Scout. As a lawyer? Not so much.

  16. OLD GLORY: Very realistic plan. Report to Washington on Jan. 20th to be sworn in as President. Report to Rome on Jan 21st to be installed as Pope. [irony]

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