An editor of has declared that any pity for the Palestinians in Gaza is “unethical and immoral.” The editorial by Adi Dvir appeared in Israel’s largest newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth, on January 4, 2009 as the international community has complained about civilians deaths in the campaign and the United States blocked a United Nations resolution calling for an end of all hostilities.
Adi Divr writes:
To pity the people of Gaza is to patronize them, in essence implying that they do not control their fate, the state of their government, or their own actions. It is to assume one of two things: Either that Gazans are too stupid to oust the cancerous Hamas presence in their midst, or that they are unable to do so.
A bit harsh I’d say. It is hard to view the current bombing campaign as a sign of respect.
I am sympathetic to Israel’s loss of patience over the incessant rocket attacks from Hamas areas. No country is expected to remain silent as such attacks occur. These rockets kill indiscriminately, including the recent tragedy where Palestinian rockets killed Palestinian children in Gaza. However, it is hard to see how this campaign is going to help end those hostilities. There is growing concern over excessive force, such as the killing of Iman al-Ham and the destruction of an entire apartment building to kill a Hamas leader. There are reports that Israel is using sound bombs and even calling homes to warn civilians before such attacks to reduce civilian fatalities, click here.
What is clear is that columns like those by Adi Dvir show how detached people have become to the suffering of people on the other side of the conflict. The columnist goes on to say “[j]ust as a crying baby who only elicits pity will continue to cry, the citizens of Gaza will continue to cry out to the world instead of taking matters into their own hands.” The total absence of any sense of humanity is all too familiar in this part of the world.
For those sane Israelis who support this operation, the condemnation of Adi Dvir should be shift and loud.
For the column, click here.
Amazing.
That’s it Patty.
Get back into character.
Run along, Waynebro…
…which is what I requested you do many months ago when you showed up as Bartlebee and then again as Cromagnum Man shooting your mouth off from the beginning – much like Thingum ‘Bob Esq’, BTW…
Despite what JT has stated, you are both unwelcome here – in my view.
And you can take ‘Jill’ along with you as well – Uggghhh
Patty’s idea of sanity.
😉
YA’ ALL WERE DUPED!
Liberal Blogosphere Duped By 3-Year-Old ‘Gaza Bombing Video’
By Noel Sheppard | January 5, 2009 – 15:17
Just how badly do many liberal bloggers want to depict Israelis as heartless killers and Hamas as poor defenseless victims?
On Sunday, a more than three year old video of an accidental munitions truck explosion at a Palestinian rally in September 2005 was spread around the liberal blogosphere as footage of an Israeli attack on Gaza on January 3, 2009.
Two prominent leftwing websites — Raw Story and Democratic Underground — displayed this video for hours before a poster at Reddit exposed the hoax (h/t NBer Blazer).
Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs reported early Sunday:
A gruesome propaganda video uploaded to LiveLeak that purported to show the aftermath of an IDF attack on civilians in Gaza turned out to be a fraud—it actually shows the results of an accidental explosion of a truck full of Hamas rockets at a Palestinian rally.
This didn’t stop the video from reaching the top spot on reddit.com and gaining more than 2,000 up votes, because reddit.com is absolutely infested with antisemites and terror supporters: GRAPHIC Video of Israel Defense Force’s attack on Gaza civilian market — originally uploaded on & banned by YouTube (NSFW) : politics.
Raw Story issued a correction Sunday:
On Sunday, RAW STORY ran video of a bombing in Gaza purported to be recent footage leaked from an exiled Palestinian blogger. We removed the video from the site early Sunday and issued a correction but the original was deleted in a database without the actual html file being removed, so the original persisted through Monday morning without our notice.
The footage is the aftermath of a devastating bombing taking place in a market, said to have been taken on Saturday. According to Haitham Sabbah, it was taken “immediately after a terrorist Israeli air strike hit a busy market where kids with their mothers and fathers were searching for food to eat from one of the local markets early on Saturday 03, Jan 2009.”
Raw Story has removed its original article on this matter, but Question Everything still has the text:
As Israel’s IDF wages it’s [sic] own “media war” via Twitter and YouTube, uncensored footage from Palestine has been completely blacked out in the US.
Until now.
Saturday, before Israel launched a full-scale invasion of Gaza, a Palestinian with a camera witnessed a devastating bombing. His video shows the brutal, bloody results of an air strike on what appears to be a civilian area.
In the footage, scores of bodies – men, women and children – lay strewn about a Gaza market as abject chaos spirals around them. Some struggle to their feet, covered in concrete powder and blood, as others assess their injuries or join the effort to carry away wounded.
Within moments, men in camouflage holding automatic weapons and RPGs assert a growing number among the citizenry. The men, presumably affiliated with Hamas, appear to be helping with crowd control and medical response.
The source of this video was Haitham Sabbah, a self-proclaimed “Palestinian activist and blogger.”
Although he too has updated his blog to reflect his error, this is what he originally wrote concerning this video:
This video clip was taken with a mobile camera immediately after a terrorist Israeli air strike hit a busy market where kids with their mothers and fathers were searching for foot to eat from one of the local markets early on Saturday 03, Jan 2009, Gaza.
As you will see, there are no words to describe the terror of the Jewish state of Israhell. This is why Israel is continuously refusing to allow foreign correspondence and reporters from entering Gaza.
Please spread the video widely. Let the world see what their news TV channels won’t show about reality of Israel. (YouTube deleted the video minutes after it was uploaded, but it is worth trying again).
Get the code for the video to embed on your blog from: http://sabbah.blip.tv/#1642223.
I guess that’s all it takes to get anti-Israeli propaganda spread throughout the liberal blogosphere these days.
How sad.
Patty, I’d answer to your foul, ugly bile, but frankly, you sicken me.
How others in here, Professor Turely above all, thinks anything of you other than you are some sort of crazy stalking kook, is beyond me.
But that’s their problem.
I for one have no problem telling you to go shove your insults up your big fat smelly ass.
See how the pile on effect works?
One by one they straggle in. Gyges, Lindy, and now finally, the Ice Queen herself, here to insult, slander, and generally dismiss my character over something she avoided all day.
Until now.
Its the pile on Jill. It works well.
No one person could possibly respond to so many character assassinations without looking combative or flawed.
All day long we’ve gone on this, me dealing with one character attack after the other. And now, at the end, when a little peace is made, in comes Lindy Lou, to misrepresent something I said, dragging you in, so that now I have to answer to that, and then when you and I make a little peace, in comes Patty.
To just launch a ranting tirade of insults, character attacks and downright ugliness.
After promising professor Turley last night, that she’d stop.
And round and round the calliope we go.
Whew! I’m just delighted to see it demonstrated that the ‘racket’ in Bartlebee/Cromagnum Man/Waynebro’s head was not invented just for me. This really is the tape that runs in there 24/7.
WB – man, you are so stuck…
If you could just experience yourself the way I do. I won’t speak for others even though I think I could – for a few, anyway.
You don’t debate. You nit-pic. In order for ‘you’ to be ‘right’, because for you it is personal, everybody else HAS to be ‘wrong’.
And you always HAVE to have to last word. It’s very irritating.
When I insult you, which I rarely do to anyone in any other setting, all I am doing is telling you what you already believe about yourself. It’s uncanny. I have never met you (and never will), yet I can push your buttons. How is that? It’s because you have huge chip on your shoulder ie you ‘wear it’ on your sleeve.
The reason I know there is hope is your utter dismay that a doctor would ‘ever’ say such a thing…
You talked yourself into what you believe and you are going to have to talk yourself out. As before, I suggest you get yourself a therapist. You have a lot of work to do.
Jill 1, January 5, 2009 at 8:48 pm
“O.K. Wayne. I consider the matter closed and hope you will as well. We should all go watch Red Dawn!”
okay,.. but you get it right?
I never called you insincere. That was LindyLou confusing something I said to Gyges, about Gyges apology into something to do with you.
I never called you insincere. Anyway I hope you see that.
But I refuse to watch anything with Patrick Swayze in it.
Liberal Blogosphere Duped By 3-Year-Old ‘Gaza Bombing Video’
By Noel Sheppard | January 5, 2009 – 15:17
Just how badly do many liberal bloggers want to depict Israelis as heartless killers and Hamas as poor defenseless victims?
On Sunday, a more than three year old video of an accidental munitions truck explosion at a Palestinian rally in September 2005 was spread around the liberal blogosphere as footage of an Israeli attack on Gaza on January 3, 2009.
Two prominent leftwing websites — Raw Story and Democratic Underground — displayed this video for hours before a poster at Reddit exposed the hoax (h/t NBer Blazer).
Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs reported early Sunday:
A gruesome propaganda video uploaded to LiveLeak that purported to show the aftermath of an IDF attack on civilians in Gaza turned out to be a fraud—it actually shows the results of an accidental explosion of a truck full of Hamas rockets at a Palestinian rally.
This didn’t stop the video from reaching the top spot on reddit.com and gaining more than 2,000 up votes, because reddit.com is absolutely infested with antisemites and terror supporters: GRAPHIC Video of Israel Defense Force’s attack on Gaza civilian market — originally uploaded on & banned by YouTube (NSFW) : politics.
Raw Story issued a correction Sunday:
On Sunday, RAW STORY ran video of a bombing in Gaza purported to be recent footage leaked from an exiled Palestinian blogger. We removed the video from the site early Sunday and issued a correction but the original was deleted in a database without the actual html file being removed, so the original persisted through Monday morning without our notice.
The footage is the aftermath of a devastating bombing taking place in a market, said to have been taken on Saturday. According to Haitham Sabbah, it was taken “immediately after a terrorist Israeli air strike hit a busy market where kids with their mothers and fathers were searching for food to eat from one of the local markets early on Saturday 03, Jan 2009.”
Raw Story has removed its original article on this matter, but Question Everything still has the text:
As Israel’s IDF wages it’s [sic] own “media war” via Twitter and YouTube, uncensored footage from Palestine has been completely blacked out in the US.
Until now.
Saturday, before Israel launched a full-scale invasion of Gaza, a Palestinian with a camera witnessed a devastating bombing. His video shows the brutal, bloody results of an air strike on what appears to be a civilian area.
In the footage, scores of bodies – men, women and children – lay strewn about a Gaza market as abject chaos spirals around them. Some struggle to their feet, covered in concrete powder and blood, as others assess their injuries or join the effort to carry away wounded.
Within moments, men in camouflage holding automatic weapons and RPGs assert a growing number among the citizenry. The men, presumably affiliated with Hamas, appear to be helping with crowd control and medical response.
The source of this video was Haitham Sabbah, a self-proclaimed “Palestinian activist and blogger.”
Although he too has updated his blog to reflect his error, this is what he originally wrote concerning this video:
This video clip was taken with a mobile camera immediately after a terrorist Israeli air strike hit a busy market where kids with their mothers and fathers were searching for foot to eat from one of the local markets early on Saturday 03, Jan 2009, Gaza.
As you will see, there are no words to describe the terror of the Jewish state of Israhell. This is why Israel is continuously refusing to allow foreign correspondence and reporters from entering Gaza.
Please spread the video widely. Let the world see what their news TV channels won’t show about reality of Israel. (YouTube deleted the video minutes after it was uploaded, but it is worth trying again).
Get the code for the video to embed on your blog from: http://sabbah.blip.tv/#1642223.
I guess that’s all it takes to get anti-Israeli propaganda spread throughout the liberal blogosphere these days.
How sad.
O.K. Wayne. I consider the matter closed and hope you will as well. We should all go watch Red Dawn!
I know it will, cause its giving me a migraine.
Jill 1, January 5, 2009 at 8:27 pm
“Wayne,
I am angry that you accuse me of being insincere. I was not. I thought this matter had been settled a long while back in this thread. I am hoping it is resolved at this time”
Amazing.
See what I mean?
Now Jill is taking what you said about what I said about what Gyges said that you misapplied to Jill, and likewise misapplying it to herself.
Now Jill thinks that what you said I said that I did say but not to the party you said I said it to, was said to her instead of the party it was said to because of what you just said.
See how the pile on effect works?
It feeds on confusion and with each new member comes new false flag attacks requiring one person to respond to many false flag attacks, making the one person look “hostile” or “argumentative”. Its easy to do, and there’s a few master artisans here who have ample experience employing this technique. You’re just an unwitting ally, yet a critical component for success.
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Jill: I never said that. Don’t try and figure it out. It’ll just make your head hurt.
Lindy Lou,
I appreciate what you said. I had left this thread and just saw what Wayne had written because I looked at your post. What I wrote was completely sincere and thank you for recognizing that.
Wayne,
I am angry that you accuse me of being insincere. I was not. I thought this matter had been settled a long while back in this thread. I am hoping it is resolved at this time.
LindyLou 1, January 5, 2009 at 8:11 pm
“What Jill said to your was extremely respectful, and I feel it was 100% sincere.
This just illustrates the point others have made about being too quick to take personal offense with any disagreement.”
No Lindy.
What this illustrates is how the group pile on effect can snowball a minor discussion or disagreement into many, many, many different, independently oscillating disagreements and arguments.
In this particular instance, you are misreading what I wrote to Gyges and misapplying it to Jill.
None of that was directed to Jill.
But so goes the comedy calliope. We’re all guilty of the same things I think, but it’s easier to pick one particular person and lump it all on them. The Jews used to do this many years ago by heaping their collective sins on a single goat, then banishing it to the wilderness. So, I’m the goat. Fine. I’ll live with it.
Anyway I’m tired of arguing with 30 different people about 30 different flaws with my character so pardon my lack of enthusiasm. I was trying to meet some here half way but that didn’t work and now you and others will need to straggle in and misread some more into what I wrote so you can bash me some more so say your dirties and be done with it. I was hoping at least to stay near the topic but clearly that’s not gonna happen now.
Waynbro, you said
“Which is why the “apology” Jill was fawning over wasn’t worth the pixels it populated.
Because it was insincere. It was merely to appease our “host”.
Just like now as you try to paint me into being angry, or thin skinned.
Just because someone is capable of recognizing your carefully worded insults, doesn’t mean they’re thin skinned. Nor does responding to them. You have insulted me many times, in many threads, subtly usually, so as not to draw attention or ire from our host, but you’ve done it nonetheless. You do it in a manner befitting a big brother talking to his younger, dumber sibling. I recognize it. I acknowledge it. And I respond to it. That doesn’t make me thin skinned.
Now if you’re saying you’d like to start over, then fine. I’m all for starting fresh. We can put all the water under the bridge you like. But that means talking to me with respect, not condescension.
Talk to me with respect and I’ll return it in kind.”
What Jill said to your was extremely respectful, and I feel it was 100% sincere.
This just illustrates the point others have made about being too quick to take personal offense with any disagreement. Haven’t you caught on to the kind of sparring there is here? This is courtroom cool where no bead of sweat is ever allowed to be seen, and you’re getting worked up into a lather.
Bob:
“Ah yes, who could ever forget Jackie Treehorn’s production of “Gutter balls?” Especially with Kenny Rogers on the soundtrack”
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Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah!
BIL
Hope you’re not implying I was asserting that it wasn’t. My statements had nothing to do with that article declaring it immoral to pity the Palestinian people.
Bob.
I neglected one thing in my response to you.
I was trying to steer you away from your philosophical argument because you for some reason were failing to mention that Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza. Hamas hold 70 seats in Gaza on the Palestinian Council. More than half of Gaza residents voted for Hamas, so therefore your disinterested third party routine falls flat.
Hamas represents the Gaza majority and that doesn’t support your reasoning. Not that theres any excuse for Israel to over react but Hamas is the elected majority in Gaza, thus its a legitimate target when Hamas attacks Israel.
The assertion that pity for Palestinians is immoral and unethical is simply ridiculous.
Perhaps I should have been clearer.