Leading Israeli Newspaper: Pity for Palestinians in Gaza is Immoral and Unethical

660px-flag_of_israelsvg1An editor of has declared that any pity for the Palestinians in Gaza is “unethical and immoral.” The editorial by Adi Dvir appeared in Israel’s largest newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth, on January 4, 2009 as the international community has complained about civilians deaths in the campaign and the United States blocked a United Nations resolution calling for an end of all hostilities.

Adi Divr writes:

To pity the people of Gaza is to patronize them, in essence implying that they do not control their fate, the state of their government, or their own actions. It is to assume one of two things: Either that Gazans are too stupid to oust the cancerous Hamas presence in their midst, or that they are unable to do so.

A bit harsh I’d say. It is hard to view the current bombing campaign as a sign of respect.

I am sympathetic to Israel’s loss of patience over the incessant rocket attacks from Hamas areas. No country is expected to remain silent as such attacks occur. These rockets kill indiscriminately, including the recent tragedy where Palestinian rockets killed Palestinian children in Gaza. However, it is hard to see how this campaign is going to help end those hostilities. There is growing concern over excessive force, such as the killing of Iman al-Ham and the destruction of an entire apartment building to kill a Hamas leader. There are reports that Israel is using sound bombs and even calling homes to warn civilians before such attacks to reduce civilian fatalities, click here.

What is clear is that columns like those by Adi Dvir show how detached people have become to the suffering of people on the other side of the conflict. The columnist goes on to say “[j]ust as a crying baby who only elicits pity will continue to cry, the citizens of Gaza will continue to cry out to the world instead of taking matters into their own hands.” The total absence of any sense of humanity is all too familiar in this part of the world.

For those sane Israelis who support this operation, the condemnation of Adi Dvir should be shift and loud.

For the column, click here.

144 thoughts on “Leading Israeli Newspaper: Pity for Palestinians in Gaza is Immoral and Unethical”

  1. I for one will not apologize. I am delighted WB is absent for the time being, although, based on bitter past experience, I predict he will be back. It’s just a matter of time.

    However, I am indeed the ‘Ice Queen’ today enjoying my ‘Snow King’, Princes, Princesses, and our collective Arctic ‘Flamingos’ in the Crystal Palace/Igloo Compound

    My house is temporarily filled with skis and skiiers and several dirty coffee mugs.

    Lots of fun, food, and celebrations continue!

  2. Buddha Is Laughing:

    “You’re a moron with Ctrl- C and Ctrl-V.”

    That’s funny.

  3. Go on. Ramble away, Big Man. I have a side bet on how many words it’ll take you to accomplish nothing this time. If you are interested in learning a lesson, you should take away this.

    There are two kinds of people in this world: those who are controlled by situations and those who control situations. The manipulated and the manipulators.

    Res ipsa loquitor, fossor.

  4. I told you how to see me if you think you’re that bad.

    Like I said, I’m not as stupid as you, Wayne.

  5. Hey, mespo, WB called ME out first – months ago.
    So there 😛

    ie JTeee, mespo is not being completely accurate in his presentation.
    Make him STOPPP…


  6. Darn… Now who’s going to play the part of the arguementive middle-aged man with nothing better to do than insult complete strangers and twist their words?

  7. waynebro:

    By my count you have alienated or insulted six people on the blog, and now are “calling people out,” like Buddha, who is nothing but rational in all of my discourse with him. Do you think it might be time to look in the mirror and see just what it is that causing all this controversy. We can either accept that you are the misunderstood one and the brunt of unwarranted personal attacks by all concerned, or we can accept that some of this is brought on by your own words. In Court and in matters of credibility we always argue: is it more likely that Mr. W lying or are all six of these witnesses who don’t even know Mr. W lying just to frame him? I think you know how that usually turns out.

  8. And for any still confused as to why I would provide my email and photo, it was in a failed attempt to stave off your “dehumanization” tactics that you employ regularly whenever someone says something in here someone doesn’t agree with.

    See, it’s much easier to paint a blogger as a “troll” and thus sub human and not worth any further respect. Its how you people operate. Once you decide you don’t like someone, you proceed to dehumanize them, calling them douchebag trolls and making them less than human.

    I’ve found with most people, its harder to do that once there’s a name, a face and even a private email address attached to the person. That’s why I gave professor Turley my phone number. I assumed that once you people discovered that the guy you were attacking was a real person, and not a “troll”, you’d find it within yourselves to meet him half way. Which is what I tried to do with my failed attempts at self deprecating humor. Failed only because they fall on deaf ears.

    Clearly though such attempts are lost on the “regulars” in here, as apparently most of you are too busy foaming at the mouth (or keyboard as it were)to ever take the time to read, ask questions when there are doubts, and generally recognize a reasonable human being when you see one. Alas, so goes the fickle mob.

    Anyway that’s all I’ve got to say. I’ve said the same thing in so many ways in this thread, and I invite folks to go through the thread and reexamine what was actually said as opposed to what numbskulls like Budda claim I said. Go back, see for yourself. This thread is indeed a virtual Rosetta Stone to understanding the dynamics of the “group bully effect” and how effective it can be in taking one person, demonizing them, and driving them out like so much rubbish.

    Try the email. It works. Always has. Trolls don’t post their photos. Trolls don’t post their email addresses. Trolls don’t give out their phone numbers. If you talk to someone directly you’ll find its not so easy to dehumanize them like you do in here, and maybe, just maybe, you’ll find out that you’ve been wrong all along.

    Course, it would mean coming out from behind your wall of comfy anonymity, and as we’ve seen from Mespo, Patty, Leo, Budda and the rest, together not one of you is comfortable doing that.

    It’s much easier to insult, stalk, mock, demonize, and dehumanize from behind the anonymity of a blog handle. And you all do it so well. Later you superior intellectuals.

  9. Yea, I thought as much.

    I didn’t threaten you little man, nor did I say anything about “fighting”. I simply provided you my email so you could speak with me directly instead of playing tough guy in front of your friends.

    I wanted to see if you at least had enough balls to come out from behind the keyboard and put a name and a face behind all your tough talk. And as I figured, you do not.

    Out of all the big talking keyboard cowards in here, so far I’m the only one who put up his photo and email. And now you hide behind your keyboard and spin tales about black belts and friends. Many of us have “black belts” pal. Few of us use them in blogs to act tough in front of his buddies.

    This is my last response to you in here. I’m done blogging here so don’t bother to respond in here. If you’re man enough, I provided you with an email address to “talk tough” to me in. You can tell me more tales about your big bad black belt, or whatever your “big man” attitude wants to tell me.

    You know, you came yesterday out of the blue calling me, a 50 year old home owner, business owner, father, and a generally decent human being, a “douchebag” and all sorts of other things for what you said was my “actions in here”.

    Well, I didn’t do anything in here. I simply responded and quite moderately I might add, to a lot of personal attacks that were launched completely without provocation. I simply made one comment about Israel taking steps to defend itself, and on came the onslaught of idiotic rants, insults, slanders, and personal attacks.

    Think I’m wrong? Go find the post. Go find the comment in this thread where I was soooo terrible. Go find the comments that caused Patty and Mespo to start in on their tirade. Go find the comments that Leo was criticizing. Hint. You won’t. They’re not there. All of my comments except for a small misunderstanding with Jill which we worked out on our own were simply comments responding to a barrage of personal attacks.

    And now I’ve got tough guy calling me names who’s too afwaid to come out from behind his keyboard to talk tough directly to me, and even too afwaid to talk tough in email. Instead, you strut like a preening peacock in here pronouncing your “black belt” and talking about fighting.

    And you call me the crazy one.

    Don’t respond to me in here because I am done with this blog. I shouldn’t have even checked it this morning. You have my email. I gave it to you. Along with my photo. So at least if you’re going to call people douchebags and make threats to harrass them in the blog, you can at least say it to them, and not a chat room board.

    You want to talk tough? Talk tough to me in my email. Tell me about your big bad black belt. Make threats about computer crimes like you just did in here. Say whatever you want, but say it to me. Not to your blog audience tough guy. Say it to me.

    If you’ve the balls. Which obviously, for all your “30 years of martial arts training”, you do not.

    I’m done. Don’t bother to respond unless you can summon the courage to email me directly. If you respond in here I won’t see it. Of course your friends in here will, which is what you want, so you can act like the big man. Of course I know, and you know, that you’re not the big man. You’re just a little man with a big mouth who talks incredibly brave when he’s anonymously hiding behind his keyboard.

  10. Well, well, look whose got a short fuse in addition to something else short!

    So now you want to start a fight, eh? Wow, stupid and unable to discern who not to screw with.

    Contact info? Like I’d give contact info to someone who just threatened me. I’m not as dumb as you are, Wayne. Thanks for your contact info though. I’ll put it to good use. I hope you like tranny porn. But if you want to fight, how about this, Billy Badass?

    Come to Kansas City. Go to a Johnson County Public Library or a Kinko’s (any of them). Post here. I’ll meet you there or close by. Not to fight though. So all of my friends can come laugh at you, simpleton. And FYI, unless you’re a black belt or have advanced military combat training, you’re the projected loser in a physical confrontation too, Mr. Small Cerebrum/Bad Attitude. You’re welcome to try, but you’ll pardon me if my 30 plus years of martial arts training makes me giggle at guys like you.

    Now go ask mom if it’s okay for you to leave the basement, troll-BOY.

  11. Fuck you Buddah you chickenshit prick, coming in after the fact to talk tough. I’m not a troll and I sure as hell ain’t no Martha. And I sure as hell ain’t staying in this blog after the way I’ve been treated by you and the other pinheads calling themselves “regulars”. You’re an ugly lot of paranoid, ignorant, pompous, self righteous PRICKS, and its a good thing you have this blog because no one else would tolerate your ugly, ignorant constant never ending personal attacks.

    I’ve provided Professor Turley with my contact information, so he knows who I am. He knows I’m not a troll and he knows I sure as hell ain’t Martha.

    If you’ve got anything else you want to say to me little man, here here’s my email.


    Shoot me your contact information. We’ll see what a tough guy you really are.

  12. Wayne,

    At least I’m not a “nanny nanny boo boo” little shit head contrarian with no ability to argue past “I know you am but what am I”. What are you? Four? That’s the best you got? Turns out you really are an amateur douche bag after all – just like Martha and CCM and all the others. You know. Your alter egos/compatriots. You did manage to hide yourself a while, troll, but as always your mental disorders give you away eventually. You’re not misguided. You’re a moron with Ctrl- C and Ctrl-V. And you are about to get treated as such. This isn’t an ad hominem attack. This is accurate and factual after your recent actions.

    That simple enough for you, Wayne?

  13. Here is the simple truth. The masses of impoverished, uneducated people in this world, including those unfortunate enough to inhabit Gaza, have no more control over what happens to them than Adi Dvir has over whether the sun will rise tomorrow. Any contrary assertion is simply absurd. To feel compassion toward people in that situation is not only moral, it is morally compelled. Mr. Dvir is another example of a person who is prepared to justify brutality whenever he believes his justification serves a worthy cause.

  14. mespo727272 1, January 5, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Patty C:

    Just a small question for your consideration. Can it really be an insult when the purported victim insists on repeating it everywhere he goes? I think you nailed his identity long ago while I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Your intuition was right AGAIN. I stand in awe of your Bartlebee detector.
    Thanks, mespo. It’s gratifying to finally be recognized again,
    so to speak 😉

    Inciteful query, as per your usual. I suspect there is much psycho-combustible mileage to gain, if you will, by portraying oneself as the unwitting and innocent victim of a completely unprovoked and hostile attack after simply ‘showing up’, and expressing an opinion in a completely respectful and non-combative manner.

    As you know, methane is a proven/possibly viable ‘Alternative Fuel’, also… {;o

    p.s. FFLEO, Ahhh, the Voice of Reason’!

    BIL, remember ‘Monkey Boy’ on the Australian tourist in India’?

    Gyges, Jill, and LL especially – get a clue…

    (JTeeeee, Bartlebee etc etc etc is disrupting the blog again
    – make him STOP…!!!)

    For once, as ironic as it seems, I think I agree with Waynebro!

  15. Not for me thanks. Clearly I am “out of my league” as Patty has stated on so many overlooked occasions. I’m just not up to the level of this “class” of people. Particularly ones who are so highly intelligent, that they cannot comprehend why I’d use the Focker name this morning.

    That’s a level of intelligence that I shall never likely attain (nor aspire to). I am indeed, “out of my league”.

    So I shall leave you to it.

    As Kipling so aptly put, “whether down from Gehenna or up to the Throne he travels the fastest who travels alone.”


  16. Yes I did learn:

    “After domain squatting, here comes online identity squatting…” I guess this is common now. I checked out the concept of squatting on another person’s identity and this is what is happening here.

    1. I have confirmed that there is no “squatting” here. As Gaylord’s request, I have confirmed that it is the same IP. This is Waynebro who is writing under the name Gaylord as he states. I only just now was able to follow this line of commentary and I agree that it has gotten way out of control. This site is dedicated to civil and free discussion. It is degraded by long diatribes and personal attacks. I would appreciate if Waynebro and others would endeavor to try to consolidate their remarks to avoid multiple replies in quick succession. Since the home page only shows a small number of replies, it prevents others from appearing on the page on this and other stories. Usually such excess has been due to the presence of trolls who seek to shutout of voices by occupying as much space as possible. Our regulars need to help preserve the unique character of the blog. Let’s just call this a bar fight, order a new round of stories, and talk about the guy hanging naked from the ski lift.

  17. One more time for the terminally obtuse.

    SOMEONE ELSE #1: Shut up Waynebro.

    ME: You shut up.

    SOMEONE ELSE #1: No you shut up.

    ME: You have no right to tell me to shut up.

    SOMEONE ELSE #1: Sure I do. We’re better than you.

    SOMEONE ELSE #2: Shut up Waynebro.

    ME: You’re no better than me.

    ME: You shut up.

    SOMEONE ELSE #1: Yes we are.

    SOMEONE ELSE #2: No you shut up.

    SOMEONE ELSE #3: Shut up Waynebro.

    ME: No you’re not.

    ME: You have no right to tell me to shut up.

    ME: You shut up.

    SOMEONE ELSE #1: You’re stupid.

    SOMEONE ELSE #2: Sure I do we’re better than you.

    SOMEONE ELSE #3: No you shut up.

    SOMEONE ELSE #4: Shut up Waynebro.

    ME: You’re stupid.

    ME: You’re no better than me.

    ME: You have no right to tell me to shut up.

    ME: You shut up.

    SOMEONE ELSE #1 I know you are but what am I?

    SOMEONE ELSE #2 Yes we are.

    SOMEONE ELSE #3 Sure I do, we’re better than you.

    SOMEONE ELSE #4 No you shut up.

    SOMEONE ELSE #5 Shut up Waynebro…

    Are we learning yet?

  18. Amazing. Utterly amazing.

    Here I thought the use of the “Focker” name (from “MEET THE PARENTS, duh) would jar your attention spans long enough to put the puzzle together. Apparently not.

    Mr Turley has my IP. He has my EMAIL. And we’ve communicated several times.

    The only nonsense here is you three superior intellects who for some reason cannot take a simple hint, nor see their own roles in what I carefully spelled out for you last night, hence the “calliope”.

    But apparently you’re not done riding your horses quite yet, so on with the calliope we go.

  19. Jill,

    Most of us have the utmost respect for Professor Turley; however, if he allows “Wayne’s World” to continue on *his* blawg then the quality will decrease into Alice in Wonderland nonsense.

    Mr. Turley has the ability to trace ISPs and “narrow down” who posts what material. I admire his freedom of speech rules here, although all sites need at least a modicum of decorum.

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