A horrific case has emerged in Florida that may unleash a new round of legislative demands on restrictions of abortion clinics, a continual point of contention in the state. According to media reports, Sycloria Williams, 18, went to an abortion clinic outside of Miami and paid $1200 for an abortion. However, the 23-week baby was reportedly delivered live and simply thrown into a trash bag. The case has caused attention on the background and questionable skills of Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique. The case has both challenging civil and criminal questions.
The problems began when Williams was giving drugs to dilate her cervix but Renelique arrived late. Before he did, Williams delivered a live baby girl.
Witnesses say that an unlicensed clinic owner cut the unbilical cord and threw out the baby in the trash. Williams said that Belkis Gonzalez actually knocked the baby to the floor from a stool and caused massive bleeding before it was scooped up and thrown into a trash bag.
Williams is now suing, which raises a novel wrongful death claim. Even though Williams did not want the baby to live, she would still have a claim as the mother when it lived by accident. Nevertheless, there seems a powerful case for negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligence, and other claims. Since the baby was live, there are questions of abuse and even murder.
In the meantime, Renelique’s license is being review — as is his history of malpractice. Renelique received his medical training at the State University of Haiti. In 1991, he completed a four-year residency in obstetrics and gynecology at Interfaith Medical Center in New York.
There have been no criminal charges filed, though they are reportedly under consideration.
Both pro-choice and pro-life advocates have expressed horror at the account. However, it is likely to be a case cited by pro-life advocates for decades to come.
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Abortion ; Live abortion is MURDER . The baby is alive either way. If your going to let woman have live abortion and it not be murder than why put murder on somebody that killed there child ? its the same exact thing. maybe a different way of doing it. but the SAME thing. your killing an innocent live . If your baby is alive why dont you just give it for adoption ?? This just disgust me how woman can just practically murder there child wit live abortion.
Why did she wait until 23 weeks? I’ll tell you why, because I’ve seen it first hand.
Abortions aren’t free and aren’t cheap. Most of the country’s poor are uninsured (and can easily get an unspecified “D&C” covered if they have private insurance, and the pro-lifers don’t want a dime of their tax dollars spent on so-called ‘murders’. So where does an eighteen year old pregnant girl come up with enough money for an abortion prior to the 8 or 12 week mark where many would consider it a non-issue? She doesn’t. She saves and saves and tries to get the money before hitting the 24 week mark when it’s illegal. Often with a corresponding drug habit, this this impossible.
So that’s why patients show up at 25 and 26 weeks for their first prenatal visit…embarrassed when asked ‘why didn’t you get prenatal care earlier?’ Some are even bold enough to admit that they couldn’t afford an abortion in time and don’t want the baby. Many show up on the date of delivery with no prenatal care – often still under the influence of drugs and having produced a child with tremendous physical disabilities who is now the responsibility of the state. Medicaid payment for abortion varies by state, and Florida does not pay for abortions on Medicaid. Perhaps a re-evaluation of these policies is in order – even if its just paying for methotrexate/misoprostol in very early pregnancies in every state so that things like this don’t happen.
That is just plain sick. I think the “mother” if you can even call that horrible woman that, should be charged with murder just the same. Sueing because they killed her baby.. Maybe someone should tell her what an abortion is.
I’m gonna throw my two cents in here for what its worth…
Any abortions performed in the last trimester should be illegal except when a doctor agrees that the mother’s health is at risk.
You should have made up your mind six months into this deal. Certainly at 23 weeks. The doctor performed a live birth, and should be charged with murder, malpractice, and inlfliction of emotional distress.
How horrible!
Good thing Jesus isn’t American then, isn’t it? BTW, God isn’t American either. Enjoy the weekend.
Why Jesus would not vote for Barack Obama
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Posted: July 19, 2006
1:00 am Eastern
By Jill Stanek
© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com
In February 2004, U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama’s wife, Michelle, sent a fund-raising letter with the “alarming news” that “right-wing politicians” had passed a law stopping doctors from stabbing half-born babies in the neck with scissors, suctioning out their brains and crushing their skulls.
Michelle called partial-birth abortion “a legitimate medical procedure,” and wouldn’t supporters please pay $150 to attend a luncheon for her husband, who would fight against “cynical ploy[s]” to stop it?
But that’s not why Obama’s opponent Alan Keyes said Jesus Christ wouldn’t vote for him.
The rest of the story: (hope thelink works)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=37080
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Don’t let the name Jesus scare you away from this article. It’s all about the laws and the just-passed law and why Obama got scared when it came time for him to make a decision, and took the road less blasted by young women and did the one thing that I’ll bet made him cringe. I’ll also bet he asked forgiveness before he went to sleep that night. Too late – he’ll pay the piper, nonetheless.
“Things like this are literally an everyday occurrence”
Man I did not want to have this talk…
Thing like this WERE an every day occurce back when abortions were illegal. It just happened in filthy conditions performed by people who without the proper medical training. What happened here was a throwback to those days and not an example of the modern medical establishment. Know that before Roe v. Wade settled the debate that a woman does have the right to privacy and control over her own body women were dying because the proceedures were often done improperly or without medical supervision. If you want to go back to the days of coathangers and deliberate ‘miscarrages’ because of some misguided sense of morality then that’s your choice, as for me I’d rather not inflict a child on someone unwilling or unable to care for them.
Don’t try to twist what I’m saying into supporting this woman, who waiting until the last legal moment and then acted so opportunistically when the situation turned grusome. It was an anonomous tip that revealed the situation to the police, not a call from a mother who had lost a child. I personally am an opponent of such late abortions unless there is a risk to the mothers health but as I am so often told by religous conservatives “if that’s the law you have to abide by it”.
Wait. She’s suing for wrongful death over the abortion she was seeking? Sounds like way more to this than what’s being reported, if emotions don’t overrule everything.
Something to keep in mind amidst all the outrage: Things like this are literally an everyday occurrence. The strange and shocking aspect is merely that it’s being reported, talked about, and perhaps might even lead to prosecution.
Lets start by saying that I fully support the right to abortion.
Now can anyone tell me the laws regarding abortion in america?
I know that in Iceland (where i come from) abortion is illegal after the first 3 months of pregnancy unless it can be proven that the pregnancy is a serious threat to the health of the mother.
Now I know that the anti-abortion people are many and are a strong movement in the usa, so I would not expect it to be legal anywhere in the states to abort a pregnancy so late.
at this time the baby has developed much, and might well have become conscious of its own existence.
So my question is, if the horrible case there of the accidental birth and subsequent killing of the baby had not occurred, had it been legal to abort the baby that late anyway?
” OMG, how can we justify this heinous act of mere conveinience? ”
No one here has voiced anything other than contempt for the actions described in this story. Stop pretending that this slipshod barbarism done by someone with no license is the same as the legitimate medical practice performed by a trained medical professional.
This is murder, pure and simple. It’s been happening for years – a child who survives an attempted abortion is put on a shelf to die. I can’t for the life of me, understand any human being who allows that to happen. Someone who wants money that bad, needs to be put in jail and I’ll gladly keep them up just to keep them away from normal humans. And didn’t Obama just sign a bill allowing partial-birth abortion? I know it was pending. THIS is what will happen EVERY DAY with that bill being passed. OMG, how can we justify this heinous act of mere conveinience? And we think the terrorists are barbaric!
JT,
Could you elaborate on the following?
“Williams is now suing, which raises a novel wrongful death claim. Even though Williams did not want the baby to live, she would still have a claim as the mother when it lived by accident. Nevertheless, there seems a powerful case for negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligence, and other claims. Since the baby was live, there are questions of abuse and even murder.”
Sounds a bit fickle to me.
What MAS said.
I don’t want to be cynical about this but I’m not sure how much of her ‘outrage’ is genuine or the thought of a wrongful death tort followed by the malpractice case. She came up with a name for the child after the fact, I’m sure that will play well with any court.
I support a woman’s right to choose but 23 weeks is pushing the ‘born alive’ point.
She had an abortion at 23 weeks?!?!
Are you kidding me? What a horrible woman. And the same goes for the doctor as well.
I am a firm believer in pro-life.
“Since the baby was live, there are questions of abuse and even murder.”
Hey the baby was alive in her mother’s womb. It is murder.
How can a woman do that? You can feel the baby move by then.
I don’t know how a person can live themselves after doing such a thing, it must cause a lot of emotional stress and harm, as well as physical damage
The link connects to a news post about backward sexists in India, not a murder in an abortion clinic.