Rankings of Part-Time Law Programs: Georgetown and George Washington Take Top Honors

150px-gwulogo-1seal_original_200US News and World Report has issued the national rankings of part-time JD programs, giving first place to Georgetown and George Washington in the top two spots.

I teach in both the full-time and part-time program and have a particular love for the latter program. If I had my druthers, all students would take their law courses at the rate of the part-time program. It allows students to focus on courses in a way that is often sacrificed in the heavy course load of the day program. I also love our evening program because it contains older students who often have had prior careers in media, government, and business.

While I quibble with the No. 1 ranking for Georgetown, there is no question that the two schools have excellent programs. I do not want to be petty. So here it is: Congratulations Georgetown. There I said it.

Here are the top five schools:

1) Georgetown

2) George Washington

3) Fordham

4) American

5) George Mason

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21 thoughts on “Rankings of Part-Time Law Programs: Georgetown and George Washington Take Top Honors”

  1. Sigmond,
    I went to JMLS because it was the only school that I applied to and they accepted me. They were very good for me and very good to me. I would recommend their program to anyone interested in a high quality legal education.

  2. JMLS, I know why you went there? I suspect that you wanted to sleep with all of the sexy female law students? That is why you choose this school. Admit it.

  3. As a graduate of the night program at The John Marshall Law School in Chicago, I am protesting that JMLS was not in the top 5!

  4. FLEO, that’s an easy one.

    JT was cloned many years ago.

    There are at least six JTs carrying out his multifarous duties and activities.

    Always glad to clear things up.

  5. From Prof. Turley’s

    “I teach in both the full-time and part-time program and have a particular love for the latter program”
    _________________

    Given all of his teaching functions/duties, appearances, this blawg, etc., how in tarnashion does he find time for sleep and family time?

    In the nonhuman animal realm, *the good die young* from their innate/natural and overwhelming drive to fulfill the necessities of life…

  6. FFLEO,

    I’m guessing you’re correct but keeping my fingers crossed just the same!

    Anyone who doesn’t like stories about toilets read no further!

    “At a train station in Europe, several people in my group needed to use the restroom. So we wouldn’t all have to pay the fee, I suggested we hold the door and just follow one another in. After the first person exited, it was my turn. As soon as I closed the door, jets of water and disnifectant shot from the wall until I was ankle deep. The water drained immediately, and I went to sit on the toilet, but it rotated into the wall and I almost landed on the wet floor. A newly cleaned toilet swung out from another wall. Finally, I was able to do what I was there for.” (submitted by a reader to Budget Travel magazine). Somehow I feel it’s a metaphor for our political scene right now.

  7. Jill,

    From my numerous experiences with FOIA requests, the redactions will flood over the critical informational lines in black, bolded marks-a-lot splendor…

  8. FFLEO,

    BM does not have a set of wooden choppers!

    To All:

    The NYT says the memos will be released, no details on which ones or how redacted they will be.

  9. Mespo, I looked at the portrait at the link and perhaps the other star-gazing ‘photo’ above is evidence that airbrushing is older than we thought.

    Jill, I first saw an almost identical pose by Madoff posted on the HuffPo site from a photo taken as he left the court house. I instantly thought of his striking resemblance to Washington–what a shame for GW’s remembrance. A few other commenters noticed the same likeness as I did.

  10. FFLEO,

    That is funny! Good catch!!! Maybe Bernie reincarnated as George’s evil twin.

  11. Unfortunately for me and some others, President Washington resembles Mr. Madoff just a little too much in that photo.

  12. Here at the site VOTED THE #1 LEGAL THEORY AND LAW PROFESSOR BLOG OF THE TOP 100 LEGAL BLOGS BY THE ABA JOURNAL, we have to get our quotations and sources RIGHT. So here it is:

    COLIN Yeah, I’m also getting my law degree.

    MADOLYN Suffolk, nights?

    COLIN They don’t run Harvard Law at night, last time I checked.

    Source: http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Departed,-The.html

    INT. THE ELEVATOR AT POLICE HEADQUARTERS. DAY COLIN boards with a bunch of other cops and workers. On board, directly beside him, is MADOLYN. COLIN’s age, beautiful, wearing a business suit. She has a thick stack of medical-looking files. She’s a psychiatrist on contract to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. She does probation counselling work with “violent offenders” and also sees policemen. (CONTINUED) 34. CONTINUED: COLIN Making a house call? MADOLYN Have I seen you professionally? COLIN No, no. I know what you do. I know who you are. MADOLYN nods, and then because this is a (relatively) sensitive subject ignores COLIN, but she is visibly attracted by him. COLIN (CONT’D) When guys have to “use their “service revolvers” in the “course of duty” they get to talk to you about their “feelings” and whatnot. MADOLYN laughs. COLIN (CONT’D) No. Oh, I know how it goes. You’re a mental health professional. MADOLYN (laughing) I have an appointment on this floor. The door opens. COLIN That’s good. They’re all fuckin’ crazy on that floor. (points up) I’m one floor up. MADOLYN Oh, fancy policeman. COLIN That’s right. Fancy. MADOLYN Are you a Statie? After she steps out he prevents the door from closing. (CONTINUED) 35. CONTINUED: (2) COLIN Yeah, I’m also getting my law degree. MADOLYN Suffolk, nights? COLIN They don’t run Harvard Law at night, last time I checked. MADOLYN When was the last time you checked? COLIN Before I went to fucking Suffolk. MADOLYN I went to U Mass. I wasn’t insulting you. COLIN Well I thought you were, and for that you have to take me to dinner. MADOLYN Maybe you could shoot someone and I’d have to see you professionally. COLIN Whatever it takes. I’ll stab someone in the heart with an icepick right now if it gets me dinner with you.

  13. mespo,

    I would be happy with a nation that still taught civics and basic logic skills with a little science thrown in.

  14. Interesting that most of the top schools are in or near the nation’s capitol. I think we need more properly trained lawyers (not less) and this program addresses that need. To be able to think in a logical way devoid of emotion or delusion is critically important whether or not you ever practice. A nation of lawyers doesn’t scare me; no nation ever floundered on account of too much reason.

  15. What about Regents? At least they don’t have some weirdo writing a blog whose main category is “bizarre” (Sniff Sniff).

    Congratulations to both schools and Vince, that was interesting!

  16. Happy to hear your remarks about what use to be called “night law school.” There was a big controversy in the last century over a proposal to eliminate the part time program, triggering over 1,000 letters from outraged alumni, including at least one sitting Federal Judge. Given the explosion of law school applicants in recent years, the quality of both full time and part time students has skyrocketed. Or, as the character said in The Departed, he went to Suffolk because Hahvahd doesn’t operate at night.

    QUOTE ON The Night School Controversy

    Divisive issues, while they sometimes put student and faculty at odds, occasionally brought alumni and trustees into the fray. Such was the “night school” controversy.

    This debate wasn’t really about closing down evening classes, although it veered in that direction. It was about whether part-time students should meet the same academic standards as full-time students. Because the standards were allegedly lower for part-time admittees-and most of them attended evening classes-the controversy was misperceived as an attack on the “night school,” rather than as an effort to upgrade standards.

    Long smoldering, the debate over the future of GW’s “evening division” first surfaced in 1978 when a self study headed by Professor Glen Weston refuted a nationwide study that characterized law schools with evening divisions as inherently second-rank, less prestigious than those without. Weston countered that while “evening programs” elsewhere might be substandard, GW’s attracted students who were mature, ambitious, and highly motivated. And in keeping with the times, he noted they also offered opportunities for minority students to enter the profession. Nor were evening students, as some charged, more prone to lapses in professional ethics. Weston wrote: “We have had our Charles Colson (evening), but Georgetown has had its John Dean (day)…of instances that have come to my attention of disbarment, suspension, or conviction of our graduates in Maryland, D.C., and Virginia, four have involved day graduates and two have involved evening students.” Moreover, if the school dropped its night students, Weston warned, it would have to recruit 300 more day students and raise tuition by about $1,000 a year. The controversy subsided, but only briefly.

    In January 1980, The Hatchet reported that although faculty denied it, evening courses were seen to be inferior. Professor Harold Green, whose faculty committee was urging an end to them, pointed to the difficulty of recruiting top-flight faculty and of placing night students with major law firms. The perception of inferiority was “deplorable,” he said, “but a very real one.” Only six of the top 60 law schools still had evening programs.

    Weston’s defense apparently failed to convince the faculty. Six years later, they voted overwhelmingly to phase out admissions to the evening division J.D. program. Their decision evoked a storm of protest. An apparent attack on the “night school” brought more than a thousand letters from outraged alumni, spirited testimonials, and angry charges of elitism. The trustees split openly on the issue, and Dean Jerome Barron, caught in the middle, allowed cautiously to The Hatchet that he was “open-minded on it.” Only gradually did the key issue become clear. It was not whether night classes would continue–they would–but whether uniform standards should be applied to all applicants-they should. Once the parties realized that the question was one of standards and not whether classes should meet before or after sunset, they easily “compromised” in favor of uniform standards. UNQUOTE

    Source: http://encyclopedia.gwu.edu/gwencyclopedia/index.php?title=Law_School

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