President Obama has already adopted or expanded many of the most controversial Bush policies on executive privilege, detainee treatment, termination of privacy lawsuit, and other matters. Now, he has adopted the identical position of Vice President Dick Cheney in seeking to withhold visitor logs to the White House.
While the Bush/Cheney fight to withhold the logs was denounced by liberals, there is relative quiet again over Obama’s position on the very same issue.
The Secret Service has denied msnbc.com’s request for the names of all White House visitors from Jan. 20 to the present as well as a request by the nonpartisan watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.
There is again a sharp difference between President Obama’s rhetoric of transparency and civil liberties in government and his actual policies, here and here and here and here and here .
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So many people want a birth “Certificate” instead of a birth “Certification.” But a Certification of Live Birth IS the “official birth certificate” in Hawaii today. Here is a recent article from the Honolulu Hawaii Star Bulletin:
QUOTE ON
Born identity
Birth certificate styles adjust to fit times and regulations
By June Watanabe
POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jun 06, 2009
Question: What is the state’s policy for issuing a “Certification of Live Birth” versus a “Certificate of Live Birth”? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier’s name and title; attendant’s name and title, etc. The certification has only the child’s name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother’s maiden name, mother’s race, father’s name and father’s race. Why doesn’t the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
Answer: No, you can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it’s only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
“At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.
Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.
“The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests,” Okubo said.
Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.”
“The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.
Okubo also emphasized the certification form “contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate.”
She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state’s current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”
The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year’s presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama’s American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.
Asked about that document, Okubo said, “This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.”
We found a discussion of “the truth about Obama’s birth certificate” on the Web site FactCheck.org — http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html.
The organization describes itself as “a nonpartisan, nonprofit ‘consumer advocate’ for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics.”
It says a “certification of live birth” is, in fact, a short-form official birth certificate. Information included in the document might differ from state to state. QUOTE OFF
Source http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
Vince Treacy,
Your lawyerly comments—and those of other attorneys, including, though not limited to, Mike Appleton, Mespo72, David et al.—help transform a common blog into this ‘blawg’. One reason I tried to keep this topic current was to garner the legalese we nonlawyers require to help us understand the legal reasoning v. the political aspects of issues.
Similarly, as Jim Byrne noted, the ‘de jure v. de facto’.
Thank you and other lawyers posting here for making the extra ‘legalistic’ efforts.
Senator Tom Coburn endorsed Posey’s bill HR 1503 to require birth certificates.
Coburn should be more worried about Senator John Ensign’s marriage certificate than about Barack Obama’s birth cerificate: QUOTE journalists are particularly interested in Tom Coburn’s take on John Ensign’s affair because they live together.
Reporters mobbed Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, who shares an apartment with Ensign on Capitol Hill. “I’m not answering any Ensign questions,” he announced. “You can ask all you want.” UNQUOTE
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/19/did-the-ensign-confrontation-over-his-affair-take-place-at-a-family-gathering/
The home at 133 C St SE Washington DC for powerful Congressional members of the “Family” was the site of the confrontation between Ensign and the husband of his mistress.
bdaman,
When in doubt ignore and keep attacking. Poor strategy, poor
discussion and oh so obvious.
Obama said in his book Dreams of My Father that he discovered his birth certificate and some old vaccination forms. He does not say he lost it, although possible. I would think that he would have put it away in a safe place like I did with my vehicle titles, baptism certificate, my fathers death certificate ect. ect. and label it very important papers in case I had to evacuate do to a hurricane.
The point is if Hawaii has an original as they claim, then why hasn’t he released it to quell the doubters. This, just like this post is not transparency, it’s secrecy. A real game of hide and seek. We now know the claim he has spent close to a million dollars in legal fees is a fact. I wish I had a million bucks of donated money I could throw away and he still asks for donation after donation to help achieve his political policies.
Last year, millions of Americans came together for a great purpose.
Folks like you assembled a grassroots movement that shocked the political establishment and changed the course of our nation. When Washington insiders counted us out, we put it all on the line and changed our democracy from the bottom up. But that’s not why we did it.
The pundits told us it was impossible — that the donations working people could afford and the hours volunteers could give would never loosen the vise grip of big money and powerful special interests. We proved them wrong. But as important as that was, that’s not why we did it.
Today, spiraling health care costs are pushing our families and businesses to the brink of ruin, while millions of Americans go without the care they desperately need. Fixing this broken system will be enormously difficult. But we can succeed. The chance to make fundamental change like this in people’s daily lives — that is why we did it.
The campaign to pass real health care reform in 2009 is the biggest test of our movement since the election. Once again, victory is far from certain. Our opposition will be fierce, and they have been down this road before. To prevail, we must once more build a coast-to-coast operation ready to knock on doors, deploy volunteers, get out the facts, and show the world how real change happens in America.
And just like before, I cannot do it without your support.
So I’m asking you to remember all that you gave over the last two years to get us here — all the time, resources, and faith you invested as a down payment to earn us our place at this crossroads in history. All that you’ve done has led up to this — and whether or not our country takes the next crucial step depends on what you do right now.
WILL YOU DONATE WHAT EVER YOU CAN AFFORD to support the campaign for real health care reform in 2009?
IT DOESN”T MATTER WHAT YOU GIVE SO LONG AS YOU GIVE what you can. Millions of families on the brink are counting on us to do just that. I know we can deliver.
Thank you, so much, for getting us this far. And thank you for standing up once again to take us the rest of the way.
Sincerely,
President Barack Obama
cough cough cough motion to dismiss cough cough cough
Unless your name is Ito or was Sirica, most judges don’t like having their time wasted.
bdaman,
Wouldn’t you think a bill regarding the counting of votes in a President (or any) election should be complete and accurate to ensure that the man assuming office actually received the votes needed. Had such a Bill been in effect prior to the 2000 election then GW Bush’s brother wouldn’t have handed him the Presidency via voter suppression and manipulation of ballots in Florida. Also in 2004 GW Bush would have lost if the Ohio AG wasn’t also the head of the OHIO Republican Campaign Committee and hadn’t again used voter suppression and manipulation of the ballots. This of course directly led to our being unprepared for 9/11, two wars, incredibly huge budget deficits and the deaths of many, many people. Curiously, I would bet that none of the Congresspeople protested the theft of either election. I wonder why that could be? Treason perhaps?
The Mall did NOT hear correctly that the Kerchner case will be won in discovery. For all interested, Kerchner v Obama & Congress was a “complaint for Emergency Injunction, Declaratory Relief, Mandamus, and Petition for Quo Warranto on behalf of my clients, Mr. Kerchner, Mr. Patterson, Mr. LeNormand, and Mr. Nelsen, against defendants, Barack Hussein Obama II, United States of America, United States Congress, United States Senate, United States House of Representatives, Richard B. Cheney, and Nancy Pelosi,” filed by attorney Mario Apuzzo
All that happened was that the court granted a motion to extend the time for the defendants, including Obama, Pelosi and Cheney (huh!) to answer the complaint until June 29, 2009. In legal talk, there has not even been an answer to the complaint yet. There will be discovery only if the court decides not to dismiss the complaint outright. In other words, no discovery has been ordered yet.
In other sounds that lawyers make, there will be no discovery unless the complaint survives the answer, or survives aa motion to dismiss or a motion for summary judgment.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16253400/
A mall is a terrible thing to waste.
I meant, to produce and verify–sorry.
Looks like this will be heard in court. It should not take long produce and verify evidence.
Vince,
Your new avatar is righteous! What are your thoughts concerning the original issue of this post? If you have time, I’d like to hear your analysis. You are one of the best writers on this blog. Thanks,
Jill
With Kerchner et al v Obama & Congress et al Lawsuit it sounds like maybe we have found a judge to hear the case on the merits.
Did I hear correctly that one of the Obama birth fraud cases, when finally proceeding, will be won in discovery with Obama failing to produce the documents?
H.R. 1503: “(7) in the case of a principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President, a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under section 5 of article II of the Constitution.”
Obama is in full compliance with this proposed law. He produced the copy of his birth certificate that was issued by the State of Hawaii. Hawaii officials have verified that it correctly states what is in the state vital statistics records. The officials have “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” The Certification of Live Birth is an official state birth certificate and is valid and genuine. It is not a forgery: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Tuesday, June 9, 2009
Activity in Kerchner v Obama & Congress Case – 2nd Extension of time granted to Defendants
Activity in Kerchner et al v Obama & Congress et al Lawsuit – The motion by the defendants for the second extension in time to answer, move, or otherwise respond was granted. Their new deadline is June 29, 2009. You can read the full order at the link below. When you read the order you will see that the court addressed this second request for an extension in great detail in his five page order. On page two the Judge writes, “In their complaint Plaintiffs assert violations of their constitutional rights alleging that Defendants have failed to conclusively prove that President Obama is a natural born citizen and therefore may not be eligible to serve as President of the United States.” Then on page four the Judge writes, “Plaintiffs’ Complaint raises significant issues necessitating that the named Defendants engage competent counsel to represent their interests.” The Judge points out that the Department of Justice still has not decided who is going to represent whom for the seven defendants in the case. Later he then writes, “The Court is confident that after all the attorneys enter their appearances on behalf of all Defendants, that the case will proceed expeditiously.” The Judge of course noted that we opposed the extension. And previously on page two, the Judge noted, “The Court has also received numerous letters from non-parties opposing Defendants’ motion [Doc. Nos. 18, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25].” The order was written and signed by U.S. Magistrate Judge Joel Schneider who serves at the:
United States Courthouse
400 Cooper Street
Camden NJ 08102-1570
Sunday, June 21, 2009
Sixth U.S. House Representative Signs on to Sponsor HR 1503
The sixth U.S. Congress House Representative has signed on to co-sponsor HR 1503. Congressman John Campbell (R-CA 48th District) is the latest to co-sponsor the bill written and sponsored by Bill Posey (R-FL). This bill would prevent Presidential candidates running in future elections, including 2012, as I read the bill, from hiding and sealing their birth and other records and require the political party for the candidate to file the necessary birth records and any other sought corroborating evidence which would be necessary to prove that they are a “natural born citizen” and eligible for the office of President under Article II of the U.S. Constitution. It would be administered by the Federal Election Commission (FEC). See this website for more details:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1503
List of sponsors and co-sponsors as of 18 June 2009:
Sponsor:
Rep. Bill Posey [R-FL15]
Cosponsors:
Rep. John Culberson [R-TX7]
Rep. Randy Neugebauer [R-TX19]
Rep. Robert Goodlatte [R-VA6]
Rep. John Carter [R-TX31]
Rep. John Campbell [R-CA48]
Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
185 Gatzmer Avenue
Jamesburg NJ 08831
Email: apuzzo [AT] erols.com
TEL: 732-521-1900 ~ FAX: 732-521-3906
BLOG: http://puzo1.blogspot.com
P.S. If so inclined, some of you readers may wish to call in to the various talk radio show hosts (and/or your own U.S. Representative) to discuss this new bill which is gaining support in Congress in order to get more public support for this bill and to get other U.S. Representatives to sign on to it. Also, using this bill as your subject may get you past the call screeners so that you can get to “deeper” issues. After all, once you are on the air you can then say this is a good start but that Congress should also call for hearings and investigations into the “natural born citizenship” of the current man in the office and tell the world to Google on the Kerchner v Obama and Congress lawsuit for more information on that point. But stay off the latter point until you get on the air and have chatted about HR 1503. Just tell them you want to talk about HR 1503 and that the listening audience should call their Congressman and ask them to also sign on and co-sponsor HR 1503 and that it will prevent in the future what happened last year and now, hiding of records by people who want to be President.
Kirk: Beam me a board, Scotty.
Scotty: What would ye need with a board, Captain.
Vince:
Great avatar.
Kirk: Warp factor eight, Mr. Scott.
Scotty: She can’t a-take that speed, Captain. She’ll shake apart!!!
Kirk: Steady as she goes Mr. Scott.
Spock: Fascinating.
Everything he has done or will do is already null and void. He was/is a supreme War Criminal, not eligible to be on the ballot.
FFLEO,
We must face it. The Certificate of Live Birth for President Obama will never be disclosed. De facto ignored de jure.
Could you imagine the ramifications if, in fact, President Obama was not born in the United States? -Everything done in the name of the President would be void.
BVM,
I have attempted to help foster a forum for your “beliefs” and thereby giving some very learned and credentialed people the opportunity to refute your claims, as warranted. I learn a lot in the process and I assume others do, as well. There are some legitimate claims against some of the secrecy Mr. Obama has exhibited, including those regarding his unwillingness to release his scholastic records, when other politicians/presidents—including Mr. George W. Bush—released some of their credentials and scholastic ‘achievements’. Such secrecy raises concerns that Mr. Obama acquired some of his positions of status through affirmative action quotas, similar to claims regarding Sotomayor.
Mr. Obama could quash many of the existing—possibly unfounded—rumors if he would be more forthcoming with his records. I certainly misjudged Mr. Obama from his campaign rhetoric, I think that he has a fraudulent personality, he is an abject liar, and he is more than a common hypocrite, all judgments which I base on his pledges v. his actions; however, I am not willing to condemn Mr. Obama based on unfounded rumor and innuendo.
Therefore, if you are only interested in parroting and copy/pasting unchallenged material by less than adequately credentialed authors, then I think that Vince Treacy said it best:
“It is hard to argue with a shopping mall.”
Credentials mean very little in politics. Washington is full of murderers and thieves and most all of them have credentials.