Family Research Council’s Peter Sprigg does not appear quite ready to accept gays serving the country in the military. On Hardball, he not only opposed the elimination of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy but argued that all gays should be arrested as criminals.
Here is the exchange:
Matthews: Do you think we should outlaw gay behavior?
Sprigg: Well, I think certainly..
Matthews: I’m just asking, should we outlaw gay behavior?
Sprigg: I think the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas which overturned the sodomy laws in this country was wrongly decided. I think there would be a place in this country for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior.
Matthews: So we should outlaw gay behavior?
Sprigg: YES!
It is astonishing that our religious right has so much difficulty with the leaders in Iran and other countries when they hold views that seem in line with those of people like Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, here. Not only would Sprigg bar gay Americans from fighting for their country, but would arrest them. This includes presumably arresting heroes who have been decorated for bravery in combat. He might want to visit the grave site of Technical Sergeant Leonard Matlovich (1943–1988).
Sprigg has a particular problem with Lawrence v. Texas where the Supreme Court struck down laws that criminalized homosexual relations between consenting adults. Of course, limitations on religion — including acts of entanglement of church and state — are horrific and unacceptable, but it is perfectly acceptable to declare millions of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals to be criminals because of their private consensual relations.
Mike,
To be fair, there haven’t been nearly as many atheist governments as theist. I think when you get to the point when you establish a state enforced religion (be it a\poly\mono-theist) you’re already well into tyrant territory.
“God save us from the atheistic moralists (who got 100 plus million innocent civilians slaughtered last century).”
Tootie,
I’ll give you Stalin, but Hitler was actually quite a moralist and believed with you on homosexuality. When you talk about moralists through history you have to mention the Inquisition, the Pogroms in russia, the Genocide of the Armenians, The Christian Churches that encouraged and sanctified slavery, the slaughter of the Incas and Aztecs as recommended by the Priests that accompanied the Conquistadors, The Crusades and the Islamic attacks on Europe that preceded them. That is only a very partial list and seriously you can’t win this line of argument. With the exception of Stalin and Mao, history records no incidents of atheist repression. By the way, as you may not know, I’m not an atheist.
“WASHINGTON—Pentagon officials announced Tuesday a new policy toward homosexuals in the armed services, the so-called “Don’t Tell, Let Me Guess” system, which gives Pentagon brass the opportunity to state their opinion on a soldier’s sexual orientation, provided it’s followed by the phrase “Am I right?” “These new guidelines allow homosexuals to serve in the armed forces, as long as they don’t show any outward traits that would tip us off and ruin all the fun of guessing,” said Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who purports to have “excellent” gaydar. “When you make a game out of it, you’re much more invested in the survival of your fellow serviceman—at least until you guess whether or not he or she enjoys sex with members of the same gender.” Pentagon officials said soldiers who are correctly guessed to be homosexual will face immediate dishonorable discharge, unless they can prove they have killed at least 10 enemy combatants in a particularly brutal fashion.”
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/military_institutes_new
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Tootie,
Did you notice these words in bold above the Wiki article you cited?
“I just wanted to point out that it’s also likely to have some “epigenetic” components.
Gyges,
You and your big words.
Blouise–
“Ever notice that certain personalities always have to have someone or something to hate and or despise?”
Isn’t that the truth? Some people just love to hate.
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I don’t understand why it isn’t unconstitutional for the government to have discriminatory policies/rules/laws that are applied to certain citizens/groups of citizens.
@Tootie quoted Thomas Jefferson: “Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro’ the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least.”
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I wonder what Sally Hemings would have thought about this quote by her slave master? Would you argue that you can’t rape a 3/5ths human which is your property?
Ken,
I understand how castration can effect the sex life of a man, but I don’t understand the half-inch diameter hole in the cartilage of a womens nose thing.
Is that where the ever-elusive “G-spot” is located? :>)
Blouise said “Ever notice that certain personalities always have to have someone or something to hate and or despise?”
Yep. That’s what makes them feel superior.
““Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro’ the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least.”
I’m pretty sure you can have that done at Hot Topic at the mall now.
Ever notice that certain personalities always have to have someone or something to hate and or despise?
Tootie,
Jefferson was known to be wrong on occasion.
Mike,
I just wanted to point out that it’s also likely to have some epigenetic components.
Maybe we could make them wear paper stars on their chest. With a little “G” on them to identify them as “Gay”.
Round up the ones who won’t wear them and put them in internment camps…for their own protection of course.
We’ll put em to work….because..you know….works makes you free.
Mike Spin:
Opps…forgot the link to R. J. Rummel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide
Mike Spin:
God save us from the atheistic moralists (who got 100 plus million innocent civilians slaughtered last century).
Amen.
Professor Turley, your blog’s been taken over by idiots.
Tootie,
I guess you are correct. This is interesting. I did not realize that Jefferson had a hard on for people committing sodomy. He did leave out animals, you think he had a pet ewe?
Thomas Jefferson believed that homosexuality (and even heterosexual violations) should be criminalized. In fact he wrote a law against them, calling for castration.
These are Old Testament biblical values, by-the-way. Our founders were fond of the Old Testament.
Yet, even non-biblical peoples do criminalize such conduct.
Nevertheless Jefferson wrote:
“Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro’ the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least.”
I’m of the opinion that heterosexual promiscuity is the real problem in America. It should be a criminal offense because it affects us all through the high costs we incur because of STDs and the higher crime rate caused by destabilized single-parent homes.
No civilization in the history of the world is known to have prospered or advanced in enviable ways when sexual lassiez-faire begins to be practiced by the third generation after that civilization started to loosen sexual mores.
When everyone pays the price for sexual confusion, the need for laws to address it are not illogical.
No one has a right to serve in the military. Not the young, not the old, the blind, nor those in wheelchairs.
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendVIIIs10.html
“Let me get this straight…” FTW
HAHAHAHA!!!
OK-so we would now have a new category of crime:
Driving Round Acting Gay?
In respect to criminalizing certain sexual acts, Mr Sprigg, I can see you’re nuts.
We need to keep homosexuality safe, legal and rare.
Let me get this straight. He does not want the Don’t ask, don’t tell to be stopped? But, he want them prosecuted? Makes sense to me coming from a moral person.
So if I understand this correctly you can be one of the abominations of God and be ok so long as you don’t tell that you are a pole smoker or are into the chunky money do man.
But if you tell you should go to prison and …..what the hell, they get lonely too. They may be butt ugly, but what you goona do……
I feel a Bob Seger song coming on…”We got the Knight or is that night?