Family Research Council’s Peter Sprigg does not appear quite ready to accept gays serving the country in the military. On Hardball, he not only opposed the elimination of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy but argued that all gays should be arrested as criminals.
Here is the exchange:
Matthews: Do you think we should outlaw gay behavior?
Sprigg: Well, I think certainly..
Matthews: I’m just asking, should we outlaw gay behavior?
Sprigg: I think the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas which overturned the sodomy laws in this country was wrongly decided. I think there would be a place in this country for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior.
Matthews: So we should outlaw gay behavior?
Sprigg: YES!
It is astonishing that our religious right has so much difficulty with the leaders in Iran and other countries when they hold views that seem in line with those of people like Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, here. Not only would Sprigg bar gay Americans from fighting for their country, but would arrest them. This includes presumably arresting heroes who have been decorated for bravery in combat. He might want to visit the grave site of Technical Sergeant Leonard Matlovich (1943–1988).
Sprigg has a particular problem with Lawrence v. Texas where the Supreme Court struck down laws that criminalized homosexual relations between consenting adults. Of course, limitations on religion — including acts of entanglement of church and state — are horrific and unacceptable, but it is perfectly acceptable to declare millions of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals to be criminals because of their private consensual relations.
Apparently this Peter Sprigg is quite the scholar; he’s written the ridulously-entitled book: “Outrage: How Gay Activists and Liberal Judges Are Trashing Democracy to Redefine Marriage.”
It should be noted, however, that the military has an alternative explanation for barring gays from military service:
Its a common term to any first year psych student, but.., we can’t expect you to know anything about the topics you expound on.
That would be unreasonable of us.
“P.S. the word nurtured never appeared in my post nor did I make a claim of it.” Bdaman
Well we’ll have to make allowances for you then since you apparently are ignorant on the issue you’re speaking on.
See the nature .vs nurture argument refers to whether or not homosexuality is an inherent trait or something that is developed through life experiences.
You’d have to actually know something about psych, sociology, and the actual argument you are lecturing people in on in order to be aware of that however so we’ll make an allowance for your ignorance.
The anti-homosexual neoconservative
I’m a lesbian trapped in a mans body.
P.S. the word nurtured never appeared in my post nor did I make a claim of it.
So prove I’m wrong.
The anti-homosexual neoconservative talking point that claims homosexuality is nurture and not nature.
That’s the crap I think he was referring to.
Why did I know you’d share crap like that with us?
What crap are you speaking of?
Thank you rcampbell and Canadiam Eh for the further information you shared.
bdaman,
Why did I know you’d share crap like that with us? Perhaps it’s because when a talking point comes up, you are helpless not to mimic it.
Homosexuality is not a choice that people wake up one morning and make, it is genetic, people are born programmed with their own sexual preference.
it is genetic
There is no scientific evidence that proves it as fact. I agree that one can have tendencies set at an early age but you can not say it is genetic without scientific proof.
Per Tootsie:
“God save us from the atheistic moralists (who got 100 plus million innocent civilians slaughtered last century)”.
Your god would have spent her time better saving the millions of innocent indiginous people slaughtered in her name in the Caribbean (named for the now extinct Carib peoples slaughtered by Spanish Conquistadors in the name of their king and their god), North and South America, the Phillipines, throughout Asia…
There are also those tens of thousands (millions) killed by Christians in the religious wars between Catholics and Protestants since the 14th century including “The Troubles” in Northern Ireland. This says nothing about the Crusades during which theists from Christian Europe and Middle Eastern Muslims who, as with the Protestants shared belief in the same god and sought to kill as many of their opposite god lovers as possible.
Theist moralizing has caused a death toll many times higher than any atheist. BTW, Hitler and his National Socialists worked hand-in-glove with churches in Germany, Austria, Poland, etc. to indentify and round up Jews, gypsies, etal.
Spare us your lame attacks of atheists for partricipation in the blood sports so fully developed by theists and in the name some god.
Why can’t people just be people and have other people leave them alone with their own people? Problem solved.
Mike S….
Thank-you thank- you for trying to educate the closed minded. I completely agree with everything that you’ve written! I’ve posted before with regards to my opinions with regards to this type ( Spriggs’ ) of belief system.
Homosexuality is not a choice that people wake up one morning and make, it is genetic, people are born programmed with their own sexual preference.
People, like Sprigg, who continue to send messages of hate are the ones who keep closeted homosexuals from finding love and happiness in their lives. The same people who drive said homosexuals to attempt to conform to ” normal ” society by marrying unsuspecting partners and often bringing innocent children into an ineviatble life of unhappiness. I might also add that it is these spouses who go looking outside of the home for affection that they cannot get from their ” closeted ” homosexual partners.
“Personally, I had no idea homosexuals were a trading commodity in the US.” – empirecookie
…1000 Quatloos on the tall one.
Pinandpuller:
We need to keep homosexuality safe, legal and rare
okay, I’ll bite, how do you go about keeping homosexuality rare?
sounds rather problematic and a little troubling
Sprigg/prig/pig also wants to export homosexuals and prevent people from importing them. Personally, I had no idea homosexuals were a trading commodity in the US.
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oh well, I guess with the Nazi’s and their condemnation of homosexuality its pretty much like today with the neocons and theirs.
It always seems to turn out that he who smelt it, dealt it.
“Tootie,
I’ll give you Stalin, but Hitler was actually quite a moralist and believed with you on homosexuality.” – Michael Spindell
He did dedicate a few lines in Mein Kampf to condemning it.
And look what he did to Ernst Rohm when he caught him lying in bed with another man….
🙁
Hey wait a minute!
Sprigg rhymes with prig. And pig.
Gyges,
both good points.