After holding a large public ceremony for the signing of the health care bill, President Barack Obama is barring cameras when he signs the executive order needed to secure the votes for the narrow passage: a ban on federal funding of abortion.
Rep. Bart Stupak and his colleagues will attend the signing but no cameras are going to be allowed by the White House. The thirteen members are all pro-life Democrats and the White House has decided that the public should not witness the event.
By the way, Stupak was suddenly given an over $720,000 grant for airports in this district shortly before his vote, here. This has led some to question whether the pro-life order was the only condition of his support.
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Oh, for Pete’s sake, Duh. If I were making reference to some obscure personage, I would be certain to track down and cite the reference in my comment. I have heard interviews with McCain in which he expressed the views I attributed to him. I’m sure it could be googled. If you can’t easily find it, I’ll look myself. It isn’t a great mystery.
Mike A. said “Thus we have such pro-life lunacies as the assertion that any abortion is the taking of a human life, unless that life is the result of rape or incest.”
I responded “Can you provide us with a reference to a pro-life advocate who made such an assertion?”
Mike A. replied “you can start with John McCain”.
I’m still waiting for an audio or video clip. Even the transcript of some event would suffice.
Buddha:
no worries. But you are right I am an inveterate teabagger-Earl Grey and the Irish Breakfast sold by Twinnings are excellent. I usually have 3 or 4 cups (16 oz) a day.
Byron,
Sorry, my man. My bad. The hazards of multi-tasking strikes again.
Ever have that day where you’re being pulled 25 different ways?
Yep.
I’ve been juggling since my hit feet the floor this AM.
Buddha:
I was speaking about the Pope and your comment that you were upset with him, so I was giving a reason as to why he might be so intransigent in his reluctance to defrock or reprimand another priest.
I wasnt talking about Obama or health care just the Pope.
Duh, you can start with John McCain.
Byron,
Your appeal to Nazism is tea-baggerish hyperbole. Not all governments are bad just like not all corporations are bad. However, bad corporations lead inevitably to bad government. But since you went to the 40’s for your allusion, I’ll go to it for my fact. Mussolini ended up hanging from a lamp post. Surely, THAT is the sign of good governance. Hitler shot himself in the head rather than be captured. Also another good indicator of where fascism leads.
“Cause and effect is rather simple, if congress would not take money K St. would not offer it.”
Not just bullshit, but laughable bullshit in every logical sense.
Your polarity on this equation is still reversed. So I’ll make it simple enough a judge could understand it.
1) Laws do not cause crime.
2) Unfettered human nature causes crime.
3) Bad laws ALLOW crime.
4) Bad laws come from corruption.
5) Corruption comes from graft.
6) Graft comes from K Street.
7) Even if K Street didn’t exist? You’d still have off the book graft because a P/L statement has no conscience, social or otherwise, and bad corporatists would seek out to corrupt any weak and vulnerable individuals on an ad hoc basis.
8 – The key metric of a corporations performance is it’s P/L.
9) Since the salient metric of a corporation has no conscience, Q.E.D. neither does the legal fiction of a corporation.
10) That his fictional construct – a shield against liability foremost and above all – appeals to the most sociopathic elements of society only exacerbates the problem.
Buddha:
what do you expect from a former Hitler Jugen? The state (Church) is all. Those early lessons are hard to overcome.
Bdaman:
you get paid to post? I have been doing this for free and I could get paid? I am a chump 🙂
Buddha:
Cause and effect is rather simple, if congress would not take money K St. would not offer it. Government is the cause of the corruption because they make the rules that companies must labor under. It is no surprise to me that someone would try and level the playing field that has been distorted by government corruption.
Paying for favors is what people do in a dictatorship. K St. is a symptom not the cause. Government makes the laws not Exxon, they have to abide by those laws no matter how ridiculous. Is it any wonder they try and curry favor by giving money to congressman who may be able to lighten their regulatory burden?
Our current government is corrupt and has in turn turned it’s citizens into criminals.
“you’re”
Man am I mad at the Pope.
It’s the ringing in the ears. Sorry, I’ll try harder next time.
I see your check is still clearing the bank, bdaman. You didn’t have to ring in that your also a corporatist lackey. Not because it’s not your right, but because already know that about you.
Byron,
Why do you think private industry, accountable to no one but a P/L statement, is so noble? History says otherwise.
Why to you think that health, an essential component to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, is a commodity instead of a right? Your protestations to supporting individual rights says otherwise.
Careful about throwing that corruption stone there. The source of the corruption in government you so malign is rooted in the industrial supplied funds of K Street.
You really do need to work on that whole “cause and effect” processing error in your logics.
Byron I agree with your statement
In my opinion health care run by government is about control of the population pure and simple.
In case you skipped it.
Shocking Audio: Rep. Dingell Says ObamaCare Will Eventually ‘Control the People’
http://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people
Buddha:
A one word retort to your assertion – Lasik.
I want the best for people and that is why I believe in free markets. Real free markets not companies in bed with government.
I also dont think a safety net (provided by government) is out of line. But not for an entire nation, it is not going to work like you all think it will. I hope I am wrong but based on historical evidence this is going to be a giant cluster foxtrot.
In my opinion health care run by government is about control of the population pure and simple.
Why do you think government is so noble? It didnt do anything to stop Bernie Madoff and regulators knew about his antics 10-15 years before his meltdown. People still die from industrial accidents even with OSHA, our roads suck, our bridges are in disrepair, Amtrack is broke and requires subsidies, rapid transit systems cant make money, there is wide spread waste and fraud at all levels of government. The list is endless and with the exception of a few companies (Enron) most are good stewards of other people’s (the stock holders) money. Our government is corrupt to it’s core and has been for many years. People who are attracted to power are the ones in office and we are suffering from lunatics running the asylum of state.
Slumber secure in your belief of an infallible, omipotent and benevolent government which has the best interests of it citizens as it’s raison d’etre.
Our current government exists only for it’s own sake and expansion and it cares not who is crushed in that tide.
http://videos.mediaite.com/video/Robert-Gibbs-Tries-To-Explain-T
Mike A/FFLEO/CE,
In re: your posts
What AY said. Excellent job one and all. Mike, I just may have missed (or simply forgotten) your stance on health care as right versus commodity. Pardon the pun, but dead on, sir. It also goes to one of my continuing points to Byron about the nature of capitalism versus socialism in pointing out that not every human endeavor should be subject to the whims of market forces.
Follow this link and scroll down to the pictures.
http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/02/19/21-week-old-baby-survives/