Catholic League President Insists Scandal Involves Homosexuals Not Children

Bill Donohue, the controversial head of the Catholic League, was recently denounced for appearing to suggest that the parents were at fault in some way in cases of child abuse against the church. Now, he has argued that coverage of claims in Wisonsin referring to “child abuse” are wrong since “the vast majority of the victims [were] post-pubescent.”

The comments occurred on Larry King Live where Donohue seemed intent on blaming the scandal on homosexuality: “You’ve got to get your facts straight. I’m sorry. If I’m the only one that’s going to deal with facts tonight then that’ll be it. The vast majority of the victims are post-pubescent. That’s not pedophilia, buddy. That’s homosexuality.”

He insisted that the age at which children become “post-pubescent” is around 12 or 13: “Post-pubescent means beyond puberty, you’re an adolescent and that’s what homosexuals do and most of them — the molesters — have been homosexuals in the Catholic Church.”

Donohue previously called people suing the church “gold diggers.”

In the meantime, the lawyer in one of the lawsuits is demanding to question the Pope on his knowledge of past abuses, here.

21 thoughts on “Catholic League President Insists Scandal Involves Homosexuals Not Children”

  1. All this hair splitting over pedophilia vs homosexuality based on the presence or absence of pubescence! These young people were sexually molested by priests. Consent was not possible in a legal sense and from what I have read was not given. A person in authority, the priest, took advantage of his power and sexually molested young people, usually boys, under the age of 18.

    This same sort of thing happens in fundamentalist/evangelical Protestant churches, too. The pastor may be married, have children, yet looks for young males of high school age or a bit older (up to 21 yrs old) in order to teach them about the marriage act by f*****g them! This happened to several young males in a church I used to belong to. It went on for years before the pastor was confronted and eventually arrested. I don’t know if its homosexuality or not but it is an abuse of power. It certainly isn’t a romantic attraction.

  2. OK let’s break out the pervert dictionary here:

    Pedophilia (or paedophilia) is a psychological disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children.

    Hebephilia refers to the sexual preference for pubescent individuals.

    Ephebophilia is the sexual preference of adults for mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.

    Source = Wikipedia, which also tells us, (along with multiple other sources) that the VAST majority of child abusers are NOT homosexual. Not that priests are supposed to be any kind of sexual. So let’s knock this meme on its lying ass here and stop saying that child rapists are gay. They are not.

    Giving Bill Donohue the least bit of credit for knowing the technical definition of pedophilia, is about as sad as it gets. OK, it’s not technically pedophilia, but a different form of child rape? Case closed? Gimme a break!

    So let’s be clear: child rape is child rape. Unless the child is of age, and consenting, and not in a power-submissive role. Rape. Rape. Rape.

    And the priests are almost certainly heterosexual. Straight priests raping children.

    Let’s stop asking how many hebephiles can dance on the head of a pin, and get to the actual truth of this case. The Catholic Church has harbored child rapists for decades if not centuries, and apparently they don’t think it’s a big deal.

    Happy F**king Easter.

  3. “Also not all children are boys. When men have sex with 12 year old girls, is it just heterosexuality?

    Yes, if they are sexually mature.”

    Hansen: Hi, I’m Chris Hansen, and we’re doing another story on adults who try to meet kids online for sex. Why don’t you come over here and have a seat, please? On the stool, if you would. What do you have in your bag, there?
    Wells: A camera.
    Hansen: A camera? And what were you planning on taking pictures of tonight?
    Wells: She just wanted some pictures for her profile.
    Hansen: Her profile?
    Wells: Right.
    Hansen: And, who is she?
    Wells: I would say Beth.
    Hansen: And you were here to see Beth?
    Wells: Right.
    Hansen: And, how old is Beth?
    Wells: I… I’m guessing she’s older than 12.
    Hansen: You’re guessing?
    Wells: Well, yeah.
    Hansen: Well, why would you guess that when she told you so many times that in fact she is 12.
    Wells: Because, I didn’t believe her.
    Hansen: Why wouldn’t you believe her?
    Wells: Because, what 12-year-old’s gonna go in a chatroom on yahoo and do this?

  4. Donahue is someone who gets paid to defend any and all absurd and illegal actions by the Catholic Church and its employees. For him to try to claim the problemis homosexuality when a large number of the victims were not “post-pubescant”. Mespo had it right that if the victim that was raped was a blastocyst, the heavens would have opened up! The Church still refuses to admit that it wasn’t just mistakes that were made, there were crimes committed and additional crimes committed in covering up the original rapes. The Pope should be ashamed to have to hide behind the cover of Diplomatic immunity. Aren’t we passed the era when a Church is a nation in and of itself? The whole idea of the Vatican being a nation is a joke.

  5. @empirecookie

    “You may be right about the clinical definition of the term pedophile, but the fact is that, whatever its clinical meaning, the term is commonly used to refer to child abusers generally”

    Yes, and it needs to stop. This is the same thing when folks say that evolution is just a theory or that saying nigger is racist. Words lose meaning if they are not used correctly. Not only does pedophilia have a clinical meaning, it may also have a legal definition that is the same as its clinical usage.

    “Using a term that denotes a sexual orientation (homosexuality/homosexual) to describe men/priests who have sex with 12 or 13 year old boys perpetuates the obscene stereotype that gay men are child predators”

    That is unfortunately a problem with ignorance and social constructs. If a 12 or 13 year old is sexually mature, it would be normal biological and psychological behavior for them to be targetted for sexual relationships, irrespective of the sexual orientation of either person involved. I realize we like to think of people in that age group of children but sexual maturity predates emotional development.

    “Also not all children are boys. When men have sex with 12 year old girls, is it just heterosexuality?”

    Yes, if they are sexually mature.

    As an athesist, I realize what Donahue is doing and I know his tactics well. Irrespective of his motivation, he is correct about pedaphilia.

    I also want to add, not all men that engage in homosexual behavior are homosexuals. In restricted environments and unequal relitionships, sex is often about convenience.

  6. Fr. Murphy, the priest in the Milwaukee school for the deaf, went after boys as young as 9. Isn’t that prepubescent?

    Once again Donohoe rushes in without the facts. When is this league he represents going to realize what a liability he is?

    Raymond Flynn, former US Amb to the Vatican, is doing a better job defending the Catholic church on cable TV than Donohue and, believe me, there’s heavy lifting involved here if you are going to defend this institution. Flynn will actually acknowledge that he may not know all the facts-in fact sometimes I think this may be one of his ploys. “I don’t know the answer to that one, but I will get back to you……” Perhaps if you are willfully ignorant of the facts you should decline the interview.

  7. ishobo

    You may be right about the clinical definition of the term pedophile, but the fact is that, whatever its clinical meaning, the term is commonly used to refer to child abusers generally, not just those who prey on prepubescent children.

    The fact that they were talking about child abuse matters.

    Using a term that denotes a sexual orientation (homosexuality/homosexual) to describe men/priests who have sex with 12 or 13 year old boys perpetuates the obscene stereotype that gay men are child predators – which is precisely what Donohue is saying – “that is what homosexuals do”.

    Also not all children are boys. When men have sex with 12 year old girls, is it just heterosexuality? If so, we had better ban it, or at least make sure that heterosexuals are never allowed near children.

    Donohue is just splitting hairs in an attempt to deflect criticism of the church and to malign and spew his anti-gay bullsh*t.

  8. @Canadian Eh!

    The suggestion that these child abuse or, if you prefer, rape survivors were somehow participating in ” homosexual ” behaviour is absurd.

    Whether there was abuse or not is irrelevent to point Donahue was making. Pedophile (and pedophilia) has a specific meaning. The vast majority of the cases do not involve pedophilia.

  9. @Canadian Eh!

    ” Homosexuality ” suggests romantic and or sexual behaviour amoung concenting adults.

    No it does not. Homsexuality is the attraction and preference to the same sex. Romantic or sexual behavior is not a condition for homosexuality or pedophilia.

  10. mespo,

    Surely you mixed up that definition with the temper tantrums of an unregulated 2 year old…..

  11. ishobo,

    ” Homosexuality ” suggests romantic and or sexual behaviour amoung concenting adults.

    A Child by definition…..please note point b as this is the legal definition given by the United Nations Convention for the Rights of Children….
    a. a person between birth and puberty
    b. A person who has not yet attained maturity or the age of legal majority.

    For a definition of what constitutes sexual abuse here is a link to check out

    · http://www.nursing.uiowa.edu/jcsart/definition.html

    The suggestion that these child abuse or, if you prefer, rape survivors were somehow participating in ” homosexual ” behaviour is absurd.

  12. The first sign of desperation in argument is loud tone; the second is diffuse emotional thinking that bursts from the mouth; and the last gasp is drawing inane distinctions without any difference whatsoever. Had the priests here been capable of abusing a 150 cell blastocyst, that, my friends, would have been the worst conundrum of all to the Catholic League and its dippy fuhrer, Donohue, since we all know the League’s concern for the welfare of children ends right at the terminus of the human birth canal.

  13. As much as I despise Donohue, he is correct. A pedophile is a person that has an attraction and preference for prepubescent children. Once a child becomes sexually mature, which can happen before entering the teens, it is homosexuality.

  14. As I may have mentioned before, I dont think Jesus is very happy he got nailed to a tree for morons like Donohue.

  15. Mr. Donohue is controversial primarily because he’s a moron. He has and will defend anything that occurs in the Catholic Church without analysis or even reflection. He has long been an embarrassment to Catholics possessing any sense.

  16. This tool claims to have the ‘facts’ like he knows what facts are considering that he believes some guy just magically rose from the dead and currently hangs out in the clouds.

    It’s people like Donohue that ought to be smacked – repeatedly – upside his empty melon. And, it is abundantly obvious the Church doesn’t subscribe to the saying, “the buck stops here.” Gee, what would Jesus do?

    I am sooooooooooo glad I don’t subscribe to this ridiculous dogma anymore.

  17. I would strangulate the bastards and let my ass take a chance with a jury….

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