Dr. Jack Cassell, 56, a Mount Dora urologist and a registered Republican, left a message for Obama supporters on his door: heal thyself or at least find a doctor elsewhere.
Cassell posted a sign reading “If you voted for Obama…seek urologic care elsewhere. Changes to your healthcare begin right now, not in four years.” Personally, I am not sure I want a proctological exam with a guy who is really pissed off at Democrats and liberals. Hint: when you visit Dr. Cassell bring a copy of Rush Limbaugh on tape, the exam goes much smoother.
Curiously, Cassell insists that telling Obama supporters to “seek urologic care elsewhere” is not denying them care: “I’m not turning anybody away — that would be unethical. But if they read the sign and turn the other way, so be it.”
This raises an interesting question. It would seem unethical to deny care based on political beliefs but state law only addresses race, religion,
gender, sexual preference or disability. However, as an ethical matter, it would seem rather clear but I am but a juris doctor.
To further his unique combination of politics and proctology, Cassell supplies copies of a health-care timeline produced by Republicans and added a sign that reads “This is what the morons in Washington have done to your health care. Take one, read it and vote out anyone who voted for it.”
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Here’s a site with resources for history teachers . . . which to a one call the Nazis fascists.
http://www.besthistorysites.net/20thCentury_Hitler.shtml
And a basic definition that’s quite expansive . . .
http://www.uslaw.com/us_law_dictionary/f/Facism
Byron,
When you’ve read the literally hundreds of history and poli sci books it takes to complete a law education, then I’ll take your word on what’s the better definition of Nazism. There is nothing in Miles work that contradicts what I’ve said about the Nazis being fascists.
Until then, I’ll see your economist and raise you Roger D. Griffin, B.A., Ph.D. Professor, Department of History, Oxford Brookes University. Author of International Fascism: Theories, Causes, and the New Consensus, The Nature of Fascism, and other books.
http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/ara/pde/facism.html
and a leading Communist (and ergo anti-fascist albeit for different reasons than me) Leon Trotsky (he knew a little about politics of the time too).
http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/germany/index.htm
“Goneville:
if you want to start bringing in the Nazi’s I am all for that. We can then discuss the merits of capitalism vs. socialism.”
If you mean you’d like to conceal your comments in an endless muddled discussion on whatever topic crops into your head, no. I’m not into that. I’m more into remaining focused on the issue. As I stated last night we already have aspects of Fascism, Socialism, even Communism in our own country. Most governments contain aspects from each. That’s why your claims are pointless. You are merely using those titles to demonize a particular piece of legislation rather than address actual issues. This is how the right wing usually operates, by using labels to try and frighten people who probably haven’t a true clue what the label means. Or that their government already possesses many aspects of the label you are using to try and frighten them with.
Rather than using label’s of socialism and fascism to conceal your racism, you should address the issues. For example, the issue of how you people managed to convince a bunch of your constituents that it would be better if they continued to wallow in the mire of the health care system that they are currently suffering and dying under, rather than try and improve upon it.
I have many problems with the health care bill as it is but I have more problems with those who try to convince the people to oppose it based on false accusations of socialism or fascism. It is neither. We pay taxes already. We suffer under a crippled health care system. Using some of our tax dollars to try and improve that system and bring relief to the poor and working poor of this country hardly constitutes a move towards a Nazi regime.
Duh:
Good stuff, Von Mises is a good deal more credible than Wikepedia as he lived through that mess and is one of the better economists. I think he though Keynes was a hack as well.
Your example is what I have read among people who understand economics.
Buddha:
I don’t think Duh was being a Nazi apologist.
Duh:
Shades of Sarbanes/Oxley accounting requirements. I guess that was developed right from Albert Speer’s playbook. Although probably more from the standpoint of totalitarian regimes have the same MO. What say you. The parallels are indeed ominous.
I.G. Farben
Bad fingers!
Doh! And lest I forget . . .
BMW made aircraft engines for the Luftwaffe.
Hence their natty blue and white “propeller” logo.
Gyges,
I just calls ’em likes I sees ’em. 😀
Duh,
Porsche (vehicles)
I.G. Farber (now Bayer, made Zyklon-B used in the gas chambers)
Krupps (equipment)
Hugo Boss (they made those natty uniforms for those who didn’t know)
The relationship between these companies and the Nazi Party is 100% indicative of fascism as these companies supported the Party until it was too damn late and the Nazis started micromanaging their business for them.
Business always lets the fascism dog off the leash. And in three for three cases (Germany, Italy, Spain), it bit them in the ass.
Like Bush the Neocon Nazi let Halliburton, Exxon and Xe/Blackwater off their leash.
If you want to start talking Nazi like fascism.
Don’t forget! Bush the Dim’s grandpa was a direct Nazi enabler.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
Free,
So no answer as to why you said something untrue?
I know you think you made some great point there. What point I don’t know. Since at this point you’ve degraded into repeating yourself and chuckling at how clever you are, I’m going to end my part of the conversation. Feel free to have the last word, I’m done.
Buddha,
You’re right Mondays are amateur hour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensei
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uke_(martial_arts)
The main difference is that unlike most uke’s, you will have learned nothing from this exchange.
But the class is watching. 😀
National Socialism
In 1944, Ludwig von Mises published one of his least-known masterworks: Omnipotent Government: The Rise of the Total State and Total War. Drawing on his prewar experience in Vienna, watching the rise of the national socialists in Germany (the Nazis), who would eventually take over his own homeland, he set out to draw parallels between the Russian and German experience with socialism.
It was common in those days, as it is in ours, to identify the Communists as leftist and the Nazis as rightists, as if they stood on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. But Mises knew differently. They both sported the same ideological pedigree of socialism. “The German and Russian systems of socialism have in common the fact that the government has full control of the means of production. It decides what shall be produced and how. It allots to each individual a share of consumer’s goods for his consumption.”
The difference between the systems, wrote Mises, is that the German pattern “maintains private ownership of the means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary prices, wages, and markets.” But in fact the government directs production decisions, curbs entrepreneurship and the labor market, and determines wages and interest rates by central authority. “Market exchange,” says Mises, “is only a sham.”
Mises’s account is confirmed by a remarkable book that appeared in 1939, published by Vanguard Press in New York City (and unfortunately out of print today). It is The Vampire Economy: Doing Business Under Fascism by Guenter Reimann, then a 35-year old German writer. Through contacts with German business owners, Reimann documented how the “monster machine” of the Nazis crushed the autonomy of the private sector through onerous regulations, harsh inspections, and the threat of confiscatory fines for petty offenses.
“Industrialists were visited by state auditors who had strict orders to examine the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company or individual businessman for the preceding two, three or more years until some error or false entry was found,” explains Reimann. “The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error.”
Reimann quotes from a businessman’s letter: “You have no idea how far state control goes and how much power the Nazi representatives have over our work. The worst of it is that they are so ignorant. These Nazi radicals think of nothing except ‘distributing the wealth.’ Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.
“While state representatives are busily engaged in investigating and interfering, our agents and salesmen are handicapped because they never know whether or not a sale at a higher price will mean denunciation as a ‘profiteer’ or ‘saboteur,’ followed by a prison sentence. You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain. Everywhere there is a growing undercurrent of bitterness. Everyone has his doubts about the system, unless he is very young, very stupid, or is bound to it by the privileges he enjoys.
“There are terrible times coming. If only I had succeeded in smuggling out $10,000 or even $5,000, I would leave Germany with my family. Business friends of mine are convinced that it will be the turn of the ‘white Jews’ (which means us, Aryan businessmen) after the Jews have been expropriated. The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that we are still independent businessmen.”
As Mises says, “independent” only in a decorous sense. Under fascism, explains this businessman, the capitalist “must be servile to the representatives of the state” and “must not insist on rights, and must not behave as if his private property rights were still sacred.” It’s the businessman, characteristically independent, who is “most likely to get into trouble with the Gestapo for having grumbled incautiously.”
You can continue to read more http://mises.org/daily/47
When it comes to logic, duh, let me pass on some good advice . . .
“I never drive faster than I can see and besides that, it’s all in the reflexes.” – Jack Burton
You have been a perfect example of what happens when one drives logic faster than they can see with their hands tied.
And for that, I must thank you like a sensei thanking an uke.
Duh,
I’ll take cues on logic from pols about the time I take cues on abstinence from hookers.
Come on . . . copy paste some more drivel.
Or bring the logic.
I already explained it’s not a composition fallacy because it’s factoring in group psychology (another topic about which you apparently know nothing).
But you keep flailing and I’ll keep giggling at you.
You’re getting quieter and quieter though. Almost mumbling. As if you were talking to yourself.
You should really see a doctor about that.
Byron,
Except the Nazis were socialists in name only. They were fascists in operation and this is historical fact. From wiki (but it comports with every history and poli sci book I’ve ever read):
“Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany. It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and anti-Semitism. Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.” [cites omitted]
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Goneville:
if you want to start bringing in the Nazi’s I am all for that. We can then discuss the merits of capitalism vs. socialism.
“Duh 1, April 5, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Buddhro,
You’re continuing with that childlike logic”
Childlike logic? I don’t think so. Holding people accountable for the groups they support hardly constitutes childlike logic. It is pure logic, plain and simple. We are known by the company we keep and the causes we join in to support. Anyone standing with the Brownshirts in the Berlin beer halls were strengthening their numbers and adding credibility to their cause. The more people whether antisemitic or not that stood with the Brownshirts the stronger they became.
Why do you think our fathers who liberated the death camps made the German citizens living outside them clean up the camps and bury the dead? They were not directly involved in the actions so why punish them? Easy. Because they stood alongside those who did.
You can make excuses for the Teabaggers all you want but it won’t change the fact that they are racists or supporters of racists because they stand alongside them and lend them their support.
Gyges,
“The implication of that is that the Daily Kos post was in response to Hillary44 post. It’s not, it predates it by over a year.”
I guess you’re right. Nobody denounced the hillaryis44.org site for their racist remarks relating Obama to a Witch Doctor. We have no choice but to consider it to have been tolerated, and therefore attribute the racism to all those who supported Hillary. Tolerance is a tacit endorsement.
We call this a “gotcha” moment.
And you’re continuing not to use logic at all, duh.
Come on.
Call me stupid again.
Or (and here’s an idea)
Prove me wrong logically.
Or (even less likely to happen than you suddenly being able to use a tool you don’t understand – like logic)
Shut your pie hole.
Because until you can disprove my logic, you’re just playing with yourself.
But by all means. Insult me some more.
I find it hysterical.
Why?
Because your anger and inability to defuse the logic bomb I planted in the middle of your propagandist regurgitation shows that I already won.
The rest of your blabbering?
That’s just comedy gravy, ace.
Buddhro,
You’re continuing with that childlike logic. Do you have some sort of proof that the racists were invited to the Tea Party and expected to present their ideals while there? Of course you don’t. That doesn’t seem to matter to you. You’ll likely even adopt goneville’s premise that racist chanting existed at the rally, and others joined them. Not that any proof of such occurence is available or required, but because, as usual, you’ll just ask me to prove that it did not happen. When I fail to prove that it did not happen, you’ll claim victory. Stupid is as stupid does.
Free,
I asked why you felt it was o.k. to make claims that are clearly untrue, not what your point was. I addressed your point earlier.
What you said was:
“Do you know where I found the first article relating Obamacare to a Witch Doctor? It’s a pro-Hillary Clinton website.
http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/11/21/witch-doctor-obamas-health-insurance-math-scam-vote/
Would you call all those who supported Hillary Clinton “racists”?
Or would you defend her supporters in the same way The Daily Kos did?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/16/183647/866/511/517160
And will you now call The Daily Kos a racist site because they pointed out that it was limited to a few?”
The implication of that is that the Daily Kos post was in response to Hillary44 post. It’s not, it predates it by over a year. The express point is that the Dailkos post excuses the racism at the Hillary site (from earlier posts), when in fact it unabashedly calls the comments from the Hillary site racist, insane, and makes it clear that they aren’t acceptable.
So let me ask again: Why is it o.k. for you to post things that are untrue? Did you deliberately lie about what the posts said did you not read them, or (and admittedly this is an addition) did you not understand the posts?
I gave you a straight answer to your questions, please give me the same courtesy.