The House floor was the scene of some heated exchanges after Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) took the floor to address the 9/11 Health and Compensation Act.
While this is merely a heated and not offensive exchange. It is representative of the diminishing level of discourse in Congress on both sides. Congress is becoming the WWF without the folding chairs and pile drivers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/us/politics/01obama.html
I want nothing you have to offer. It’s all bunk.
I’m honored, eeerrrrr want anymore of this before I put it out. 🙂
What you are sure of means exactly nothing in relationship to the truth. But don’t worry. You’re still ,1,, with me, PropagandaPuppet.
Mr. Buddha maybe in your eyes, which I’m sure are squinty with pupils dilated this morning. cough, cough, here, hold it in, it’s $200 a quarter. 🙂
By the way, how’s that false equivalence strategy working out for you?
Because being pro-women’s rights is not the equivalent of being for a Chinese “one-child” policy.
Still not learning from your failures I see.
This only confirms you’re a Neocon Republican.
Sucks to be wrong all the time, doesn’t it badtroll?
“Yeah, bdaman, I think you missed the point (as usual) of Digital Dave’s comment. He could have substituted GOP for Democrats and it would have read the same way. People of neither party are doing the jobs their oaths of office require.”
You’d b right about that too Mr. Buddha
“And let’s not forget anti-abortion agendas too because what the world clearly needs is more unwanted and unsupported children.”
That would be the cockroach effect. More mouths to use up resources and release CO2 destroying the planet.
You probably want a one child policy like China.
At least the GOP has fulfilled their platform of avoiding punishment for treason for the Bush Gang. And deregulating Big Oil and Big Pharma and Big Insurance. Oh, and their promise to filibuster anything that doesn’t benefit them or their corporate masters directly. Let’s not forget their efforts using trolls and half-wits like Newt Gingrich to stir up hatred and Islamophobia so Al-Qaeda will have more recruiting tools. And their stand against unemployment benefits extensions in an economy that was wrecked under their watch. How about that anti-LGBT agenda? And let’s not forget anti-abortion agendas too because what the world clearly needs is more unwanted and unsupported children.
Yeah, bdaman, I think you missed the point (as usual) of Digital Dave’s comment. He could have substituted GOP for Democrats and it would have read the same way. People of neither party are doing the jobs their oaths of office require.
Independents are independents not because the support either the GOP or the DNC but rather because they’re sick of both gangs of lying, back-stabbing, sellout, graft-ridden corporatist bastards who look to lining their own pockets instead of protecting the rights and interests of citizens over corporations.
Nice comment Digital Dave, you b right about dat.
“If the Dems are losing the independents it’s because the independents voted for real, substantial change and that’s not what we’re getting.”
I agree however the result is still the same no matter the reason.
“obviously things aren’t bad enough to make people take to the streets”
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/542171/201007301830/Will-Washingtons-Failures-Lead-To-Second-American-Revolution-.aspx
Your last paragraph I couldn’t agree with you more.
Losing Independents? It makes me crazy to hear the way people talk about “the Independents”.
The Independents aren’t sitting on the fence — they’re sitting on the SIDELINES. They rightly feel that there is no point in joining the fight when the so-called leaders don’t even believe in their own rhetoric. That’s why jack-asses like George Bush have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams — because they actually believe, fervently, in their message.
Anthony Weiner might be “acting” or he might be sincere, but at least he’s “acting” sincere. What are all of the other Democrats on the hill doing these days… they’re acting as though they care not one damn about the party platform they all pledged to support. This goes first and foremost for Barak Obama. It’s not like the platform is some vague notion, it’s a blank and white document. You can read it your self right here — http://www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.html
Bdaman, If the Dems are losing the independents it’s because the independents voted for real, substantial change and that’s not what we’re getting.
The majority of people polled wanted a government option or single payer and we’re unhappy we didn’t get that so yes, were unhappy with the health care bill and the $600- and skyward monthly charges for the high-risk insurance pools we’re offered in response to the shameless lack of overage people with per-existing conditions have under a market driven system.
The stimulus has been strangled by the Senate and there’s to little of it (and too much of it going to build massive intelligence and military use palaces) and not enough has gotten down to infrastructure, small business and new technology; there’s too little stimulus and it’s being bled off by the same ol’.
If people would rather have the selection of teabagger nuts available to them than liberals so be it. I see that as a step toward real change, obviously things aren’t bad enough to make people take to the streets and agitate for the kind of change I and millions of others want. Maybe we need another summer of ’68 to kick it into high gear. Historically having cities burn tends to turn around the government. There were civil rights laws on the books since ’48 but no real enforcement until after ’68.
The great river of history develops meanders so extreme they meet themselves and cut a new channel in an opposing direction leaving lakes with islands in their center, destined to dry up and fade away with time. I am getting the feeling that we are living in a period when the meander has become acute, that we are no longer in he past but not yet in the future, and that future is going to be amazing. Maybe amazingly bad, maybe amazingly good. I’m just going to cast my votes and hope I’m on high enough ground not to get washed away completely.
I just read that Ronald Reagan and Obama have had almost exactly the same approval ratings since the beginning of Obama’s term. If you look at a chart they are close to identical. It stasrts at 64% to and goes down to about 50% so far.
Who’d have guessed? Politics is full of surprises.
and I wonder what is and has happened to the republicans? Maybe they have too many splinter groups to rally the troops. Tea Baggers, Ron Paul Loyalist, NRA, Abortion Abolition, Bushs legacy…the world has a lot to look forward with a GOP run country, come on give me a break….What is left for them to pocket anyway, they made the dollar worthless, bankrupted the country with this “necessary war”, let people know that the value of people was worth less than the dollar and support tax decreases to the wealthiest while they move themselves out of the country and companys too. What a legacy, Look up the Dart Family…all are residents of foreign countries while worth more than 78 billion dollars, why? Oh yeah, they got breaks under GeoI and the scooted…what a legacy….at least the Kennedys and Rockafellers stole there money the fair way and stayed….why is it that the wealthiest move?
Look at what the US is doing to R Allen Standford, all those off shore accounts. Why did the Government state that he had a ponzi scheme, so they could look at all of the Off Shore accounts ownership….He has been in custody for what 18, 19 months and not charged….why not? Oh yeah the Swiss finally got even with the US over its extortion, who is this Roman guy again….oh yeah in safe haven and can now travel the world as basically a free man because of international politics…..Just got to love it. Surely you are kidding when you say the Dems are imploding…..
Tootie: “Congress does not have this authority (unless it is willing to admit they are responsible for the attack). There is no federal power granted for this. No one twisted the arms of the rescuers to rescue,…”
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Thank you dear, you’ve saved me the trouble of any but this response to you; tough you grate on my soul with you’re positions none but you could refute them quite so succinctly.
The virtue and appropriateness of small government in the minds of the conservatives always returns to the positions that either the market will move to take up the functions of government in a more cost effective manner or that citizen organized efforts of an institutional or spontaneous nature would provide for those aspects of the “common good” that the market did not.
The argument that private charities. churches, privately funded foundations, and the great, good spirit of individuals wold take care of the indigent and suffering, the disabled and unfortunate among us is a constant refrain. That the spirit of volunteerism and local response can act more quickly and with more pure motives than the response of a distant government is touted as the ideal of an effective, citizen owned society. Between god and the good hearts of our fellow citizens nothing that needs doing, no matter how difficult, can’t be done when it needs doing.
So here we are, 10 years down the road from a massive disaster and the very people, employed and volunteers alike, that responded with alacrity, tirelessness and the indomitable spirit conservatives tout as the salvation of our nation are suffering, suffering to death in many cases, and what is the conservative reward for their exemplary activities, their living monument to the spirit that makes government unnecessary?
“No one twisted the arms of the rescuers to rescue,…”
“No one
twisted
the arms of the rescuers
to rescue,…”
After other public and private means of recognition and the alleviation of their burdens run out or fail what does the conservative model have to offer?
“No one twisted the arms of the rescuers to rescue,…”
So much for YOUR christian charity, your conservative purity, your moral high ground and the value of your political philosophy Tootie.
“No one twisted the arms of the rescuers to rescue,…”
Indeed.
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg blasted the outcome of the vote and criticized both parties.
“It was wrong for the overwhelming majority of Republicans to vote against the bill,” Bloomberg told reporters, “and it was wrong for Democrats to bring the bill to the floor under rules that made passage so much more difficult.”
Thursday’s vote occurred under suspension of House rules, which is usually used for non-controversial legislation and limits the debate on the bill, prohibits amendments from being added and requires a two-thirds majority to pass.
Although the bill did not pass the House Thursday, New York Reps. Carolyn Maloney, Jerrold Nadler and Peter King, the bill’s sponsors, said that the 255 votes in favor of the bill — which included 11 Republicans in addition to King — show that the Zadroga Act has the support of the majority and is likely to pass when it comes up again under “normal rules.”
I respect your opinion lottakatz but the mood of the country says different and it all started with Scott Brown. The democrats are imploding. The majority did not like stimulus, healthcare, take over of G.M. and now how this administration is handling immigration. The Dems have lost the independents and are now losing the Hispanic vote over another broken promise by Obama.
“No one twisted the arms of the rescuers to rescue, but who or what has twisted the minds of our leaders?”
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I knew Tootie functioned without an intellect, but confirmation that he/she/it functions without an ounce of human compassion for those who risked their lives saving others is staggering. In case you didn’t know it there Tootie, human decency and compassion need no constitutional authorization, and as the Christian around here with the biggest sleeve, I would have thought you would have understood this little pearl of wisdom from your own mythology. (You seem so well-versed in all other the foolishness, but none of the profundity.) Making citizens whole who sacrificed for their fellow countrymen is as old as government itself, but alas, for you everything is eternally shining and new. I’d call you a troll but I hate giving bridges a bad name by association.
Bdaman: ” “Good. I think Democrats ought to be doing more of this.” … “Won’t be many left to do it come November.”
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While I think you’re wrong on that assessment it would be interesting if you were right. The Republicans have given everyone a perfect blueprint of how to rule from the minority position, one even a Democrat has to be well schooled on by now. If the Dems do lose their majority I will be waiting to see if they put their recent education to good use and shut down the government as effectively as the Repubs have, in effect treat Republican initiatives as shabbily as their own have been. If so: good on them. If not: well, we would have our suspicions of “same team – different uniforms” validated.
Still, I think you’re wrong.