There has been a huge award in a novel malicious prosecution case over the alleged theft of pet turkeys. In 2004, defendant Ralph Dupps accused Robert and Jennifer Klippel of turkey-napping their pets and then releasing them back into nature. While the charges were dismissed, the Klippels sued and were just awarded $4.25 million
They claim that the ordeal drove Robert Klippel to alcohol and drove Jennifer Klippel to the use of sleep aids and depression medication.
What is fascinating is that this is a lawsuit against the Dupps as opposed to the state.
The turkeys had been a long dispute over their scaring Robert Klippel’s son and defecating in the Klippel yard. A police officer allegedly suggested just shooting the birds. The Klippels admit that they took the turkeys to a wildlife preserve. The Dupps then went to police who issued warrants for petit larceny on the Klippels who spent 10 hours in jail.
The case involved arguments under nuisance and the right of owners to take such actions. The jury obviously agreed.
Source: IslandPacket
ShhhhWACK!!!!
(And I’m feeling better, mespo, thanks for asking.)
harbell:
Since correcting your mistakes, mis-impressions, stupidity, deceptions, and outright ignorance of history would take a legion of fact checkers working full time, I’ll correct just one central error of history. With that smug air of certainty you told me that, “Your money never came over on the backs of your heroic service-people in WW2. The money was sent well prior to that with interest to be paid.”
I suppose you are referring to the transfer of war making material under the Lend-Lease Program that began in 1941 but continued well into 1945. That only cost us a cool $50 billion. The first American troops arrived in January 1942 and stayed well-after the end of the War in 1945. I am almost certain that 1942 occurred after 1941 but before 1945, thus rendering your recollection of the history of British bailout dollars a tad suspect Thanks for paying most of the L-L money back and, hey, it only took you from 1945 until 2006 for us to receive the last discounted payment.
As I’m sure you merely forgot, the US cash spigot really began flowing again right after the war and under the Marshall Plan where we paid around $25 billion to rebuild Europe and insure Britain’s security. We never got that money back there, old chap, except a paltry $17 million of the $270 million loaned to Germany. The UK just forgot about the 1.3 billion or so dollars it got from those niggardly, neutral American taxpayers. That does not count the huge costs to maintain an Army in Europe to provide stability which benefited the steak and kidney pie crowd once again.
I’ll leave others to dissect the rest of your foolishness, but keeping pitching. Surely, there must be some batter you can best.
Bluebell,
Already did … wasn’t polite
Byron
Money probably wasn’t the motivation for the German immigrants, but the non-interventionists like Lindbergh made it easy for companies like Standard Oil and the major banks to cash in.
While no fan of Chamberlain and given the fact that he did mess up hugely, I’m having a hard time blaming anybody other than Hitler as the cause of WW2.
The most understandable part of the US response centering on the Pacific is that you were attacked in the Pacific and so that would be a rational choice for beginning operations. However even after Pearl Harbour a lot of the press and some seriously powerful pro nazis like Linbergh, Nye and Wheeler did all they could to remove FDR and stop him aiding in Europe. (It wasn’t just Kennedy, Ford and Bush.)
Blouise
I’d say, and this is pure speculation, that folk in the US undercover agencies knew it was definitely happening and probably were involved in it. Whether they told anyone in power is something we’ll never find out.
wrt to the cardinal
“uh-huh … sure … whatever you say”
Bryon,
Granted there was a large contingent of German immigrants that did not want to go to war with Germany but I doubt money had much to do with that. Joe Kennedy and the Duke of Windsor were Nazi apologists as were many others. Look at what that idiot Chamberlain did, he basically caused WWII by his foolishness.
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Huh? What? Yeah there were some, but not as many that wanted to go over and kick some kraut ass to make em real sour….but…but…even Henry Ford the First supported the Nazi War Efforts….oh yeah…financed some of it as well…Ford almost got his company seized and as a matter of fact…did…get 90 per cent of his operations seized to make war related equipment including Airplanes…see Willow Run…Ford owned the property and well the rest is kind of history….
Harebell:
He also mentions experience as well in the context of learning from mistakes. But you are right, Bush should have learned the lessons of Afghanistan as relayed to him by history. He should have also read the Quran before going to war against Iraq and trying to bring democracy to people who believe in Sharia law.
harebell,
uh-huh … sure … whatever you say
The release of your prisoner was based on nothing more than pure humanitarianism … Brits and catholics having such a stellar reputation in that field …
Quite frankly, I’m not all that interested in what happened across the pond to effect the release of the one responsible for killing so many innocents … after 9/11 foreigners killing American men, women and children and other foreigners aiding and abetting them in said actions is no shock. When it comes to corporate profits, what matter the dignity of human life or the memory of the dead … especially if the Gulf spill is threatening so many Brits’ pensions.
Naw, all I would really like to know is just how deeply involved with the Brits our Administration was during the set up and execution (pun intended)of this purely humanitarian act. You know … so I can give them a medal or something.
Give the Cardinal’s foot a kiss for me! God save the Queen!
Harebell:
Americans were in North Africa in mid to late 1942. One of the reasons we did not get there sooner was that we were trying to defeat the Japanese in the Pacific first. Which seems like a reasonable strategy, what with the Pacific being as big as it is and Europe being fairly well contained and the British had won the Battle of Britain and Operation Sea Lion had been thrown out by the Nazis.
Your assertion is narrow minded to focus only on money. Granted there was a large contingent of German immigrants that did not want to go to war with Germany but I doubt money had much to do with that. Joe Kennedy and the Duke of Windsor were Nazi apologists as were many others. Look at what that idiot Chamberlain did, he basically caused WWII by his foolishness.
hareball,
Facts are what you make them…look at the GAAP rules. They are what they are and oops we got caught and no they are on a island in the Caribbean…..
Byron
Looks like an interesting read. Sowell falls into some of his own traps after a cursory reading of a review and that always makes for a fun time. But this little list of his looks so familiar:
1. Assertions that a great disaster to society is about to occur.
2. Calls for massive government intervention to avert the impending catastrophe.
3. Disdainful dismissal of contrary arguments as uninformed, irresponsible, or motivated by “unworthy purposes.”
4. The policies of the anointed are implemented and are themselves disastrous.
5. The anointed steadfastly refuse to acknowledge mountains of evidence that their policies have failed while accusing their critics of dark motives.
It’s humourous that he correctly attributes this to lefties in the 60s, but it now appears to have been adopted by the right and the religious extreme without amendment in this decade.
Also it’ll probably reveal more about me to myself and that can’t be a bad thing either.
Blouise
I’m not a catholic or even religious at all. I think I may have covered that in original post, but that seems so far away now. My only reason for involving what the cardinal said was to juxtapose the logic mespo used to attack the guy. He effectively claimed that the cardinal should look to his own house before pointing out the errors in those of others. I just used mespo’s own argumentation against him. I guess it was a kind of a “what’s sauce for the goose must be sauce for the gander” affair.
Mespo
Facts? What facts were present when you popped out this little gem of an assumption?
“Then you and yours can go back to worshiping cows, or killing folks from other tribes, or whatever manner of barbarism we (or some other Westerner) taught you to dispense with.”
Your money never came over on the backs of your heroic service-people in WW2. The money was sent well prior to that with interest to be paid. Why? Because a large proportion of your country’s industry/political leaders didn’t want to hurt their neutrality and a lot were openly sympathetic to the German cause. Your forces arrived two years later after the USA was attacked.
Facts do not seem that important to you, context given or not.
AY,
I think, though I’m not completely sure that mespo was refering to the following:
mespo727272
1, August 10, 2010 at 3:18 pm
lottakatz:
“… facts are not given to context in my experience.”
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I have a very different experience. When I hear a prisoner say that he was unjustly held and tortured by his captors, I have a very different reaction when the “captors” are the employees of the Virginia Department of Corrections than when the same statement is made about Saddam’s secret police. Same statement; different level of credibility.
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Anonymously Yours
1, August 10, 2010 at 3:21 pm
mespo,
Which are more credible?
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mespo727272
1, August 10, 2010 at 4:19 pm
AY:
Come on AY!!
If I’m incorrect then my aspirations to become a legal secy. are dead.
lottakatz:
“—So do you dismiss the one allegation out of hand before you do an examination to determine the facts?”
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No, but I don’t leave my common sense at home either. We’re not computers for which every problem is a new challenge. We have experience which guides our decision-making when factual circumstances are incomplete as is usually the case. To deny that is to deny what we are. Tell me that when the guy talking to the invisible birds climbs aboard the bus, you don’t get a little antsy and put your backpack down in the adjacent seat before ascertaining all the relevant facts in a methodical and detached fashion.
mespo,
As was stated yesterday “I have no many balls in the air” I am unsure of which one you refer….like….which one has more credibility about abuse? I would like ti think its not in the US but I may be wrong…that bell has been rung before…
AY:
Come on AY!!
Bryon,
No I do not believe that I have been….I pretty much make up my mind based upon the relevant facts before me. I think if 10 people tell you, you own a horse, well, you might want to investigate how much a saddle will cost.
mespo727272
I have a very different experience. When I hear a prisoner say that he was unjustly held and tortured by his captors, I have a very different reaction when the “captors” are the employees of the Virginia Department of Corrections than when the same statement is made about Saddam’s secret police. Same statement; different level of credibility.
—So do you dismiss the one allegation out of hand before you do an examination to determine the facts?
How about South Carolina? How much credibly does their Dept. of Corrections have?
“Deputy strikes inmate 25 times in video” (inmate is cuffed BTW)
http://www.thestate.com/2010/08/10/1411112/sled-fbi-investigating-possible.html
“Tribble hit the inmate at least 25 times with a baton, according to a video of the beating…”
“He suffered a leg fracture, cuts and bruises,…”
“The Kershaw County jail incident is one of three recent reports of law enforcement officers assaulting inmates in South Carolina. SLED and the FBI are investigating all three cases for possible civil rights violations,…”
lottakatz,
Yes, I could tell from your earlier post that we have much in common.
I would agree with the age point you make but … it is far more difficult for the military to mold an older and wiser man than it is to shape the younger, inexperienced boy. Militarists having been doing it since armies first came into being and we would be fighting a righteous yet losing battle on that front.
I know a young man who left college at the end of his sophomore year to join the Marines. He told me he needed to learn the discipline the Marines would give him if he ever expected to make a man of himself. I argued with him but off he went. He came home after serving his full time with just one week spent in hospital for a minor wound. I asked him if he had gotten out of the Marines what he’d hoped. He gave me an emphatic yes and told me all young men should have that kind of training.
As to the Abu Gerhard point … if you knew men who served in Nam then you know that Abu Gerhard was kindergarten compared to things that were done in Nam. The difference is that the old men in Washington didn’t publicly support torture and if a torturer was caught, he and anyone up the line from him who had knowledge were Court-Martialed and sent to Leavenworth. The old and vile men leading our country today are much worse, in this instance, than those from the Nam era. They praise torturers, they don’t prosecute torturers … the CIA probably gives them special, secret medals.
I am going to pull a quote from your post to mespo … “The secret masters (BP) did their dirty work and traded a lucrative energy deal for the triumphant return to Libya of a murdering bastard with the help of the British and Scots. The only question is who in the respective governments knew what and when did they know it.”
Yes, that is exactly so and the Cardinal mespo brought to our attention was pretending otherwise. He was putting a humanitarian spin in play and using his holy trappings to tell the world that Britain would never do such a thing and that America was nothing more than a vengeful nation for suggesting otherwise.
On that note we challenged him and, in my opinion, he sent blue boy to mount a defense by taking the offense. In the end, blue boy failed.
But, for me there was a serendipitous outcome … You and I were able to have this discussion. 🙂
AY:
you been talking to Imadickforjihad again? Aren’t he and Pat Buchanan about the only 2 people who believe the holocaust never happened?
Bryon,
I have heard that not a single Jew was killed though….and if one was it was by mistake….
Some people would not believe that they had a nose on the face even if you gave them a mirror…