Author Phillip W. Magness has long harbored the view that Lincoln biographers had sanitized the history of “The Great Emancipator” to fit his modern popular image. Certainly, civil libertarians have long questioned Lincoln preeminence as a voice of freedom given his denial of habeas corpus and violations of constitutional rights and powers. Now, Magness is about to publish a book entitled “Colonization After Emancipation: Lincoln and the Movement for Black Resettlement,” revealing research showing that Lincoln actively explored and planned for the relocation of freed slaves to British colonies.
The book details how, soon after issuing the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, Lincoln authorized plans to pursue a freedmen’s settlement in present-day Belize and another in Guyana. Magness and his co-author, Sebastian N. Page, found the documents in British archives, including an order authorizing a British colonial agent to begin recruiting freed slaves to be sent to the Caribbean in June 1863.
Lincoln died a year later.
Other historians have questioned these conclusions and noted that Lincoln was against any compulsory deportation.
Source: Washington Times
Jonathan Turley
B^4,
I wish I could say that I was a fan of Ann Richards….I know Ann from the Travis County Democratic Party….. She is less than a desirable person to be around…. She used to be quite a handful and it was always best to just get out of her way….
I am trying to be kind with my words…
Bdaman,
No I did not get my feeling hurt…You are a schmuck ….I see you are playing both sides of the street…an equal opportunity abuser… I suppose you are not a racist really…You just don’t like yourself and project your own insecurities upon everyone else….
AY:
Bdaman is not a racist any more than Jesus was. Too much molly coddling growing up I imagine. Never had to stand on your own 2 feet and had that silver foot in your mouth.
You being from Texas and all and probably a big fan of Ann Richards.
Charleston is a great place for a racist.
So was Stone Mountain which I visited a few weeks ago. What was amazing was to see so many black people there.
AWWWWW did AY get his widdle fellings hurt, I sorry AY.
Can’t run me off like you did Mr Treacy. Of course he was a little thin skinned anyways, especially for his age.
Charleston is a great place for a racist….. Is that where the rally is being held next?
So in all sincerity…. You don’t comment to me and I’ll stay away from your racist ass… ok?
Other than that can you tell me what some of us could do to offend you and your sense of dignity to that you would go trolling at other sites….
I suspect you were posting on another name or went for troll training again….
No new nom de plume for muaw, was in Gatlinburg TN. What a great place. Historic too. Get outside Ay it does the body good. Oh wait, that’s milk. Up next Charleston S.C.
Mike
It’s hardly the point that he corrected it. It’s VERY MUCH the point that it’s a mistake that should never have been made, since a date of death is so EASY to research [ESPECIALLY Lincoln’s, where 99% of Americans (even the stupid ones) know his death date] . If he had died in April of 1864, then how in the hell could he have been re-elected since the election was later that year? LOL. He should have corrected it 2 seconds after making the error. In other words, the very next post underneath that one should have been from him, correcting it. But it took him 11 HOURS to correct it. ELEVEN HOURS! This is the man you depend upon for “facts”?? He gets his Lincoln history from Eric Foner—-a MARXIST.
I also noticed that nowhere in your very short post was anything close to a refutation of my 3 posts before that where I destroy you with facts.
You ignored posting ONE comment I’ve made saying slavery is right.
You ignored commenting on the fact that you claim me and Tootie are white supremacists when it’s YOU that defend Lincoln, the king of racists/white supremacists.
You ignored commenting on the fact that you claim I want illegal immigrants shot dead when all I was doing was simply pointing out that you OMITTED the word “illegal” in your post.
You ignored commenting on your claim that I am a “christian/right winger” when it’s actually YOU that DEFEND Lincoln, the christian/right wing/racist/white supremacist” who claimed he was doing God’s work when he murdered a half million Southerners——many of whom were innocent civilians who had NOTHING to do with the secession.
If you make an accusation, back it up with facts or shut your big pie hole. Now, re-post ANY comment you think I made in support of slavery. If you can’t/won’t..etc, then shut your big mouth.
I’m waiting.
Bdaman 1, February 16, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Way to go AY and Larry. Now what are we gonna do without Mr. Treacy.
I know your racial sensitivity is immense….You Bdaman have proved yourself more than once…. Now if I thought you were serious about this I might take offense….Then again, I am Texan by birth so we don’t offend too often….
Now if you can tell the Blawg what we can do to make you go away please do…. Your absence was not missed….. I suspect you were posting on another name or went for troll training again….
Bdaman:
you big hunk of shark bait, what are you up to? No good I imagine. Just stirring the pot and see what boils over.
Onward and upward sir!
Way to go AY and Larry. Now what are we gonna do without Mr. Treacy.
Vince,
There is a reason that I maintain my privacy on the blawg….. I don’t have to announce to the world when I go MIA… People that I care about mostly know where I am until I decide that I don’t want to be lost anymore…
Posted on the correction thread….
If Vince’s feeling got hurt by me I am sorry for the exchange…..I wish he would have been man enough to have posted at the Lincoln thread…. Oh well….
Larry,
You are hysterical, both in psyche and in being a laugh riot. You first admit now that you started to read Vince’s old posts, from before you came on the scene. Ah, but then you stopped reading them because he mistyped a date. Had you scrolled down a short way you would have read Vince’s post apologizing for the mistake. Thanks for putting me into a better mood this evening.
I started to go back and read Vine’s posts. In the 4th post down [from the top] Vince says this:
“Lincoln did not die a year after June 1863. It is well know that he died on Good Friday, April 14,1864.”
I decided not to read anymore after that since, if Vince was not going to get something as easy as a DATE right, nothing he said after that would be worth my time.
Lincoln died April 15, 1865. It can’t be a typo since Vince got the day AND the year wrong. LOL
“The argument that you and Vince have had regarding “annexation” is one that I’ve stayed out of, because frankly it doen’t interest me and is not to my mind germane to the thread.”
Ahhh yes Mike, but you called ME and Tootie “trolls” for actually staying ON topic while you just ADMITTED that Vince has been OFF topic and being OFF topic is one of the staples of being a “troll”. I haven’t seen you refer to Vince a s a troll yet even though you just admitted his off topic posts.
Hmmmmmm. It appears that YOU are the one who [as you have said about ME] “hide[s] behind arguments that consist of isolating issues contextually and obfuscating your true motives”. I am actually the complete opposite of this remark about me. Your own comment describes YOU most of all!
Mike: oh geesh. You sound like an old man, are you? I would guess late 60’s, early 70’s. Am I right?
“From your dismissal of it I would conclude that your solution to the illegal immigration problem would be to kill them all.”
Your interpretation of me CLEARING UP the fact that the people killed were ILLEGAL immigrants when YOU had completely OMITTED the word “illegal” from your posts is that I am JUSTIFYING their deaths?? Goodness, you need a doctor!
“Just as you justify slavery in your Lincoln arguments, for that is in fact the bottom line of your position carried to its logical conclusion, your real position is the maintenance of white supremacy in the US.”
My goodness Mike, you are mentally ill—-seriously. Post ONE comment where I “justified” slavery. Just ONE. You will IGNORE this because I haven’t justified it at ALL….not one time. Now, if you are interpreting the fact that LINCOLN himself justified slavery and I was posting his OWN WORDS as ME “justifying” slavery, well that would only mean that your intelligence level doesn’t even surpass that of a frog, because it should be clear to anyone that my posting of Lincoln quotes were to serve the TRUTH, which neither you or Vince provided concerning Lincoln’s actions. Perhaps that was best proven by the fact that you NEVER ONCE re-posted a Lincoln quote that I posted and explained it…….I’m guessing because it was impossible to without contradicting yourself.
It’s hilarious that you continually call me and Tootie “white supremacists” when we have been constantly pointing out that LINCOLN was a huge white supremacist and hated blacks [his REAL reason he wanted blacks shipped out of the country and why he didn’t want slavery expansion, as to not allow blacks to come North and eat up all the jobs and real estate]. But for some reason, your deranged mind interprets me and Tootie pointing out Lincoln was RACIST as me and Tootie being racist ourselves! What sense does that make? YOU are the one who appears racist and a white supremacist since you are DEFENDING Lincoln……..one of the biggest racists and white supremacists of the 19th century!
“Instead you hide behind arguments that consist of isolating issues contextually and obfuscating your true motives.”
Quite funny since YOU are the one who IGNORED 95% of my posts and IGNORED EVERY SINGLE Lincoln quote! My posts to you is like a box of candy, you pick and choose what you CAN respond to, whilst leaving 95% of the comments alone….the ones you CANNOT confront because it would showcase extreme hypocrisy on your part and make you the laughing stock of the Turley blog.
“The continuing thread of the right wing and its’ Christian Fundamentalist auxiliary is their self victimization.”
“Christian”? Are you joking? If you looked at my own blog more than 10 minutes, you’d clearly see that I abhor religion and the right wing [well, actually neocons but they are mostly right wing]. Funny that you used the word “Christian” since Lincoln himself swore to be one and continually claimed he was doing God’s work by exterminating Southerners.
Ironic how you DEFEND the very man who possesses all the characteristics that you claim I possess [white supremacy, Christian, right wing, etc….]——-those characteristics describe LINCOLN himself and you continually DEFEND him! Seems to me that YOU are the white supremacist, Christian, right winger!
I will be anxiously awaiting the re-posting of ANY comment of mine where I said slavery was RIGHT. I know this will be ignored.
Vince, you’re hilarious.
You said: “He has shown he does not know what the Court in Dred Scott actually ruled. The legal basis for the Emancipation Proclamation has been explained repeatedly to him, to no avail.”
Actually I do know what the Scott case ruled. It ruled that the EXPANSION of slavery was PERMITTED being that it ruled that Congress had no legal authority to prohibit slavery in the federal territories. Whether you AGREE that Congress had no authority is another issue. The issue we are dealing with now is the meaning of the decision to allow slavery into the territories, which Dred Scott did allow, therefore making Lincoln’s action on this UNLAWFUL. He even ADMITTED it was unlawful in his first inaugual. How many times do I have to post HIS OWN words?:
“Legal basis for the EC?” So, YOUR words are more important than Lincoln’s? Lincoln knew the EC would not free a single slave, besides, as I already stated, Lincoln had NO power to dictate the EC to a state government. The states were ALREADY seceding because of the government’s high tariffs. What makes you think they would secede over tariffs but when the EC is issued say, “Oh my, we better abide by this!” The free and sovereign states have authority over the federal government, therefore, the EC had ZERO legal basis. I’ve already said this, but you simply IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE.
You said: “The vast majority of historians now agree that the Civil War was about slavery. They agree that the aspect of slavery that sparked the war was not its continued existence in the slave states where it already existed.”
Historians might agree, but even Lincoln himself didn’t. Lincoln NEVER MENTIONED even ONE time that the war was about slavery. He repeatedly claimed the war was about “saving the union”—–NOT slavery. In a letter to Horace Greeley in 1862, Lincoln said this:
“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery, If I could save the union without freeing any slave I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because it helps to save the union.”
I’m sure you will STILL ignore Lincoln’s OWN words. Does that comment suggest the war was about slavery? To any person with a brain, obviously NOT, but to you, a Lincoln cultist, it sure does—despite the words being from Lincoln himself.
You said: “Historians like Eric Foner have pron that the Proclamation did in fact free some slaves on the day is was issued.”
Not sure what the word “pron” means but isn’t it interesting that you get your historical “facts” from Eric Foner….a Marxist.
You said: “So the statement that the Proclamation never freed a single slave is a lie. A barefaced lie. A 150-old Lost Cause lie. It freed some slaves immediately, and nearly two million before the end of the war.”
“Barefaced”? It actually freed no one, as I have already stated before [which you ignored]. The EC ONLY applied to REBEL territory, not the North OR federally occupied areas of the South. The slaves that were “freed” as you claim went into the custody of the federal government and they had to serve the armed forces……………in other words……..NOT free.
“So I am ending this exchange, cheerfully predicting that Larry will not understand a word of it.”
What exchange? I have been sending you posts for 3-4 days now and you have IGNORED every single one of them, until NOW where you got away with addressing every one of my previous points specifically, so you come on here TODAY and post this condensed post filled with nothing but drivel and you claim there’s been an “exchange”? You ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore then show up one day and post ONE post to me and claim we have been debating this back and forth for days? You need medication!
Thanks for the response and accepted….
Mike S.,
Thanks for the response…. I generally don’t attack….. well…most of the time….I have a Green Mentor….