Author Phillip W. Magness has long harbored the view that Lincoln biographers had sanitized the history of “The Great Emancipator” to fit his modern popular image. Certainly, civil libertarians have long questioned Lincoln preeminence as a voice of freedom given his denial of habeas corpus and violations of constitutional rights and powers. Now, Magness is about to publish a book entitled “Colonization After Emancipation: Lincoln and the Movement for Black Resettlement,” revealing research showing that Lincoln actively explored and planned for the relocation of freed slaves to British colonies.
The book details how, soon after issuing the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, Lincoln authorized plans to pursue a freedmen’s settlement in present-day Belize and another in Guyana. Magness and his co-author, Sebastian N. Page, found the documents in British archives, including an order authorizing a British colonial agent to begin recruiting freed slaves to be sent to the Caribbean in June 1863.
Lincoln died a year later.
Other historians have questioned these conclusions and noted that Lincoln was against any compulsory deportation.
Source: Washington Times
Jonathan Turley
Why the Cherokee Nation Signed Up With The Confederacy:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/scruggs4.html
http://thomaslegioncherokee.tripod.com/index.html
See ya’ Vince. I’ll babysit while you’re gone.
Thanks, Mespo.
Time to sign out.
Tomorrow is Feb. 12th, Lincoln’s birthday.
Happy Birthday, Abe!
Ps, Larry wrote: “If Lincoln wanted to free slaves, he would have by compensated emancipation.”
Larry, one more time, Lincoln offered compensated emancipation to the border states during the war and they rejected it. There is no reason to believe the seceding states would have accepted it. This has been explained to you over and over. He offered and it was rejected. What is the problem with that concept? Try one more time to understand.
Good night and good luck.
VT:
You are feeding these swine far too many pearls.
From the Cooper Union address:
[quote] In the language of Mr. Jefferson, uttered many years ago, “It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation, and deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degrees, as that the evil will wear off insensibly; and their places be, pari passu, filled up by free white laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up.”
Mr. Jefferson did not mean to say, nor do I, that the power of emancipation is in the Federal Government. He spoke of Virginia; and, as to the power of emancipation, I speak of the slaveholding States only. The Federal Government, however, as we insist, has the power of restraining the extension of the institution – the power to insure that a slave insurrection shall never occur on any American soil which is now free from slavery. [unquote]
Lincoln did not favor deportation. Jefferson did in the language that Lincoln quoted.
The south never left the Union. Its stars remained on the flag. The so-called confederacy was never recognized by a foreign nation, never exchanged ambassadors, never entered a treaty, and never controlled its borders.
So it was never invaded. The Union suppressed an insurrection in its own territory. Jeff Davis asked for a peace conference for our two nations; Lincoln responded that he would meet concerning our common country. Davis caved.
The Constitution simply does not say that only Congress can suspend habeas corpus, and the Supreme Court has never so hold. Those are the facts. Larry is entitled to his opinions, but we are not buying the “facts” that he is selling.
Larry @ February 11, 2011 at 9:31 pm: “By the way, Tootie, you are 100% RIGHT about everything in your posts.”
Larry @ February 11, 2011 at 9:43 pm: “Well, Tootie is wrong about that.”
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Oh how quickly the worms turn!! I love a good troll fight. For those at home keeping score, 13 minutes between contradictions is a new troll time record.
~ A blood thirsty Lincoln cultist.
Well, Larry, back again from the earlier thread.
From the earlier discussion, have you figured out yet that
Lincoln did in fact offer compensated gradual emancipation, but was rejected?
Have you figured out yet that 180,000 freed slaves did in fact fight for the Union?
I read the eulogy. Do not see the words where Lincoln favored mandatory deportation.
The Emancipation Proclamation freed hundreds of thousands of slaves as they ran to Union lines, and as the Union Army advanced. It is ignorant to say it did not free a single slave. The Declaration of Independence did not free a single colony on the day it was printed. The freedmen fought the so-called confederates bravely and whipped their asses.
The ACS was a private society and, as such, had no ability to deport anyone. Lincoln favored VOLUNTARY emigration, and never supported deportation.
Tootie, Lincoln never favored deportation.
Ekey has sunk into profanity, always a bad sign for a reasoned argument.
only seven states seceded at the start and of those states several had counties that voted to secede from their parent states to remain in the union.
also the emancipation proclamation only covered slaves residing in states that were in rebellion not in the four slave states that did not secede.
lincoln was a man, a good man who like others sometimes had some not so good ideas.
not all people in the south were evil bastards intent on enslaving blacks.
not all people in the north were willing to fight to free them.
“Please note that “Moreover, Lincoln’s supposed comment about the “deportation” of blacks in his Cooper Union speech was in fact a quotation from Thomas Jefferson, as Lincoln himself says (p. 18).”
Vince, what in the HELL are you talking about? I have the book IN MY HAND and on page 18 it says NOTHING about Thomas Jefferson!
Are you insane?
Well, Tootie is wrong about that. Lincoln didnt have the power to suspend habeas corpus—no president does. That takes an act of Congress. The President is a part of the EXECUTIVE branch. HC being suspended is a LEGISLATIVE issue. Plus, HC being suspended is to be done when we [the United States] are being invaded. Lincoln and the North invaded the SOUTH. So, techically, you cant BE the invaders AND have HC suspended. It is only to be suspended BY the invaded. The invaders cant suspend it! The only one that committed treason in the Civil War was Lincoln himself.
“Let’s see? It’s noted Constitutional scholar saying it or Larry. Oh, who to trust?”
Why is JT just NOW posting this? Didnt he know Lincoln favored colonization prior to this new book??? Geesh! Lincoln even created a department in his administration for this sole purpose of the deportation of blacks to Africa, Liberia….timbuk 2—as long as they werent HERE. He appointed James Mitchell as his Commissioner of Emigration.
Tootie wrote “You seem to have weakened your own position. You write “I think that Lincoln was justified under the Constitution in suspending the writ at a time when organized mobs sought to prevent Congress itself from meeting in order to consider a suspension of the writ.” Here you admit that congress was, some 50 plus years later, STILL assuming the power to suspend habeas corpus, but that they just couldn’t manage it because of the mobs. And let’s get around to these mobs. Why were they rioting? I suppose like the Egyptian mobs: against despots and tyrants?”
No, Tootie, the mobs in Baltimore and Maryland were attacking federal troops on their way to defend Washington, and were destroying railroad bridges to cut off transportation.
These violent mobs were not like the peaceful demonstrators in Egypt. They were pro-slavery rioters in a slave state, and were waging war in militia groups against the United States.
Congress was in recess, so the mobs could have prevented Members from ever traveling to Washington to meet. If Congress could not meet, the mob would have prevented suspension of the writ. Lincoln reasoned that he could suspend the writ on his own authority in order to permit Congress to meet and consider the issue.
Congress met on July 4th, 1861. Lincoln explained his actions in a written message. Congress enacted a general ratification of Lincoln’s actions. In 1863, it approved suspension of the writ.
Please, NO ONE reply to my post unless you hve READ, IN FULL Lincoln’s OWN words in his eulogy to Henry Clay. If you respond and did not read it, I am not interested in your response.
JT said Lincoln died “a year later” than 1863. He actually died TWO years later, in 1865.
By the way, Tootie, you are 100% RIGHT about everything in your posts. It’s very hard for the Lincoln cultists to accept the truth. They have been dumbed down so long. Lincoln cultists stretch across party lines as well. I just wrote a story on my blog yesterday schooling liberal democrat [and Bonesman] Dana Milbank on the truth about Lincoln and Clay.
Here’s my story:
http://realtruthonline.blogspot.com/2011/02/bonesman-dana-milbank-rewrites-history.html
mespo and the supporters of the murderous blood thirty thug who slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Americans disagree with me.
Oh dear. I must be wrong then.
Vince:
Critiques of DiLorenzo from the blood thirsty, imperialist war-mongering, neocons at the Claremont Institute will not add to your reputation or arguments.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo31.html
“Vince Treacy, I think you just like hearing yourself talk. Funny how Ive written this exact same stuff on my blog for quite sometime and JT writes it and all of a sudden, people listen because JT said it.”
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Let’s see? It’s noted Constitutional scholar saying it or Larry. Oh, who to trust?
“vince: your problem is that you keep pretending the war was about slavery. It wasn’t. It was about economic warfare already having been waged against the south for decades before Lincoln was prez.”
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Get that straight will you Vince? We’ve debated this before and Tootie — despite the overwhelming evidence contained in the words of the leadership of both sides — has concluded, based on her audiences with the divine, her not so sure grasp on reality, or her most recent study of anything written by college drop out, Rush Limbaugh, that the Civil War was about whatever Tootie says it was about as she goes forward (backward ?) promoting her own know-nothing agenda.
It’s Rule 1: Tootie is right despite overwhelming historical evidence. Rule 2: When debating Tootie, see Rule 1.
I’m really very surprised I have to go over this with you again. 🙂
Buddha,
“It’s a topic that doesn’t lend itself to trollery.”
I see a couple people took that as a challenge.
Vince Treacy, I think you just like hearing yourself talk. Funny how Ive written this exact same stuff on my blog for quite sometime and JT writes it and all of a sudden, people listen because JT said it.
“The post ignores the historical fact that Lincoln favored only VOLUNTARY colonization. He did NOT favor compulsory deportation and colonization.”
Youre WRONG, simply WRONG. The country of Liberia was purchased by the American Colonization Society for the sole purpose of shipping all blacks from the country. Just incase Vince that you are confused that Lincoln wanted it to be his PLAN and not just a “voluntary” thing, perhaps you will listen to Lincoln’s OWN WORDS in his eulogy to Henry Clay [Lincoln’s Idol….who FOUNDED and was PRESIDENT of the American Colonization Society] when Lincoln said this on July 6, 1852:
“The American Colonization Society was organized in 1816. Mr. Clay, though not its projector, was one of its earliest members; and he died, as for the many preceding years he had been, its President. It was one of the most cherished objects of his direct care and consideration; and the association of his name with it has probably been its very greatest collateral support. He considered it no demerit in the society, that it tended to relieve slave-holders from the troublesome presence of the free negroes; but this was far from being its whole merit in his estimation. In the same speech from which I have quoted he says: “There is a moral fitness in the idea of returning to Africa her children, whose ancestors have been torn from her by the ruthless hand of fraud and violence. Transplanted in a foreign land, they will carry back to their native soil the rich fruits of religion, civilization, law and liberty. May it not be one of the great designs of the Ruler of the universe, (whose ways are often inscrutable by short-sighted mortals,) thus to transform an original crime, into a signal blessing to that most unfortunate portion of the globe?” This suggestion of the possible ultimate redemption of the African race and African continent, was made twenty-five years ago. Every succeeding year has added strength to the hope of its realization. May it indeed be realized! Pharaoh’s country was cursed with plagues, and his hosts were drowned in the Red Sea for striving to retain a captive people who had already served them more than four hundred years. May like disasters never befall us! If as the friends of colonization hope, the present and coming generations of our countrymen shall by any means, succeed in freeing our land from the dangerous presence of slavery; and, at the same time, in restoring a captive people to their long-lost father-land, with bright prospects for the future; and this too, so gradually, that neither races nor individuals shall have suffered by the change, it will indeed be a glorious consummation.”
Does that sound like these guys mean it to be VOLUNTARY?
Keep in mind, that Lincoln was PRESIDENT of the Illinois Colonization Society. He wanted all blacks out of Illinois as well. Lincoln was a ruthless dictator who created the myth that secession is treason, despite the fact that our founding documents state that the states are independent, free and sovereign and that secession is granted in the Constitution. NO ONE…I say NO ONE [except LINCOLN] said secession was treason in the years..months leading up to the civil war. Even Northern newspapers wished the South well [but thy NEVER said secession was WRONG]—that is why Lincoln shut down over 300 northern newspapers to squash opposition to his unconstitutional, illegal bloodbath…murdering over 300,000 Americans to establish his REAL agenda: To centralize the government, create protectionist tariffs, eliminate states rights and to make Clay’s “American system” a reality. This is why our government adores Lincoln so much…puts his face on the penny and 5 dollar bill–gives him a monument and forces the lie upon generation of schoolchildren that he was “honest” and he “freed slaves”. Lincoln LOVED slavery. He said in his first inaugural address that hehad NO INTENTION of interfering with Southern slavery. I guess what he meant by “not intefering” was killing 300,000 of them.
Obviously, slavery wasnt the issue. Lincoln wanted to build the American empire. He was a carbon copy of Henry Clay and Alexander Hamilton—-who both wanted to instill upon America the exact same mercantilist system that England had [that we broke away from]. If Lincoln wanted to free slaves, he would have by compensated emancipation. The Eman Proclaimation didnt free ONE slave. It didnt apply in the North and in federally controlled areas of the South. It ONLY applied in the SOUTH–and since the South was already at war with Lincoln–why would they listen to Lincoln and say “Oh ok, you want slaves free? well, here ya go!” They didnt even acknowledge Lincoln as their President. Jefferson Davis was their leader. Lincoln invaded the South, murdered 1/3 of a million people to accomplish Henry Clay’s dream of a decentralized government and American empire.
Anyone who disagrees with that is just a dumbed-down Lincoln cultist.
My only shock about this article is–why did it take Turley so LONG to post it?
vince: your problem is that you keep pretending the war was about slavery. It wasn’t. It was about economic warfare already having been waged against the south for decades before Lincoln was prez.
Get your thinking straight and you won’t keep making this mistake.
No one died at Fort Sumter (when the south attacked it). The over reaction by Lincoln was what spilt blood.
The murderous rampage came to be when the North and Lincoln slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Americans. Many of them young boys.
No one interested in scholarship, honesty, and the truth believes your government sponsored rendition anymore about the “civil war”.
The only reason the US government keeps up the pro-Lincoln propaganda is because it always wants to reserve the right to mass murder Americans with the military.
Without Lincoln, they have a harder time hiding their devious desire.