Submitted by Elaine Magliaro, Guest Blogger
The Mississippi Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans has come up with an idea for celebrating the 150th anniversary of the Civil War—known to some as the “War between the States.” The veterans group has proposed that the state of
Mississippi issue a series of specialty license plates commemorating the war. These specialty plates, planned for the years 2011 through 2015, would each have a different design.
What has some people upset is the specialty license plate slated for the year 2014, which would honor General Nathan Bedford Forrest. Forrest, a native of Tennessee, is considered by some to have been a military genius. Others feel differently about Forrest who is “reviled” by some for allegedly having lead a massacre of Black Union troops at Fort Pillow in his home state in 1864. It should be noted that Forrest also served as the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.
According to ABC News, the NAACP is planning to send a letter to Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour requesting “that he publicly denounce the license plate and use his office to prevent it from being issued.” Derrick Jackson, president of the Mississippi state NAACP, said of Forrest: “He should be viewed in the same light that we view Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. The state of Mississippi should deny any vanity tags which would highlight racial hatred in this state.”
Although many historians agree that Nathan Bedford Forrest distanced himself from the KKK later in his life, some believe “it was too little too late because the Klan had already turned violent before Forrest left.”
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“every person charged with a crime has a right to an attorney. It is the ethical duty of an attorney defending a client, whether appointed and paid by the State, or privately paid, to mount a vigorous defense of said client.
Every person charged with a crime must be presumed innocent until proven guilty and convicted in a court of law.”
And the case against bin Laden?
Where was that?
Brent, every person charged with a crime has a right to an attorney. It is the ethical duty of an attorney defending a client, whether appointed and paid by the State, or privately paid, to mount a vigorous defense of said client.
Every person charged with a crime must be presumed innocent until proven guilty and convicted in a court of law.
So, you would have Professor Turley act unethically and violate both the letter and the spirit of the Constitution because you do not approve of his client(s).
scribe since u seem to be a fellow who claims to be an upstanding american an who posts n this blog regularly, let me point out a few things to you. maybe in ur ignorance u did not know the type of friends who represent antiamerican muslims you have. may u pay particular notice to the last paragraph of mr turleys bio which is posted on this website. seems maybe u should be the one worried about the feds as u hang with folks who defend terrorists, an thats a fact jack!
Bio
JONATHAN TURLEY
Professor Jonathan Turley is a nationally recognized legal scholar who has written extensively in areas ranging from constitutional law to legal theory to tort law. He has written over three dozen academic articles that have appeared in a variety of leading law journals at Cornell, Duke, Georgetown, Harvard, Northwestern, and other schools.
After a stint at Tulane Law School, Professor Turley joined the George Washington faculty in 1990 and, in 1998, was given the prestigious Shapiro Chair for Public Interest Law, the youngest chaired professor in the school’s history. In addition to his extensive publications, Professor Turley has served as counsel in some of the most notable cases in the last two decades ranging, representing whistleblowers, military personnel, and a wide range of other clients.
In 2010, Professor Turley represented Judge G. Thomas Porteous in his impeachment trial. After a trial before the Senate, Professor Turley (on December 7, 2010) argued both the motions and gave the final argument to all 100 U.S. Senators from the well of the Senate floor — only the 14th time in history of the country that such a trial of a judge has reached the Senate floor. Judge Porteous was convicted of four articles of impeachments, including the acceptance of $2000 from an attorney and using a false name on a bankruptcy filing.
Other cases include his representation of the Area 51 workers at a secret air base in Nevada; the nuclear couriers at Oak Ridge, Tennessee; the Rocky Flats grand jury in Colorado; Dr. Eric Foretich, the husband in the famous Elizabeth Morgan custody controversy; and four former United States Attorneys General during the Clinton impeachment litigation. In the Foretich case, Turley succeeded recently in reversing a trial court and striking down a federal statute through a rare “bill of attainder” challenge. Professor Turley has also served as counsel in a variety of national security cases, including espionage cases like that of Jim Nicholson, the highest ranking CIA officer ever accused of espionage. Turley also served as lead defense counsel in the successful defense of Petty Officer Daniel King, who faced the death penalty for alleged spying for Russia. Turley also served as defense counsel in the case of Dr. Tom Butler, who is facing criminal charges dealing with the importation and handling of thirty vials of plague in Texas. He also served as counsel to Larry Hanauer, the House Intelligence Committee staffer accused of leaking a classified Presidential National Intelligence Estimate to the New York Times. (Hanauer was cleared of all allegations).
Among his current cases, Professor Turley represents Dr. Ali Al-Timimi, who was convicted in Virginia in 2005 of violent speech against the United States. He also represents Dr. Sami Al-Arian, accused of being the American leader of a terrorist organization while he was a university professor in Florida.
so let me get this straight scriber, because i point out to you based on the SPLC website that the militias are growing in this country, that makes me one? ur logic never ceases to amaze me. why would i need to worry about the feds i fish with one all the time.trust me they no where i live an where i stand. i work with them all the time. they even know my favorite fishing spots!!lol! u need some serious medication. hello idiot! your SPLC buddys print the page so please take ur idiotic comments an opinions to them sir. the other page i posted was a letter written by jessie ventura on his website. so if u have a problem with jessie writing letters about revolution please by all means take it up with the him. like i said before take ur veiled threats an shove em up ur a!! stamford liberal, i know u liberals have a history of recreational use so maybe that blotted out so many of your brain cells as to not be able to look up the fact i posted about another anti constitution an anti gun nominee losing his bid for a seat! its called facts u dumb@#$ look it up. seems u all are what most americans call the far left extremist fringe, a group that gets smaller an smaller by the day. ur thoughts on floating changeable constitutions are antiamerican maybe u all will make an SPLC list soon! roflmao!!!!!
“I doubt many in the military would fire on US citizens except in the direst of circumstances.”
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Absolutely correct. There are laws about that; however, if the separatist movement goes on to unfettered warfare against the US, it will be open season. Don’t forget, it happened 150 years ago, so there is precedent. Some of the crazies have already declared open war on law enforcement, and it has not ended well for them in every case. I am sure you have heard about the West Memphis shooting one year ago today. The West Memphis Police Chief has made an informational video that has gone out to every law enforcement agency in the country. Here is the video:
“I doubt many in the military would fire on US citizens except in the direst of circumstances.”
That’s why it’ll be primarily private contractors on the streets if martial law is declared.
Hired killers are hired killers.
Otteray Scribe:
Not at all, I am in disagreement with the militia movement in this country. They are, for the most part, neo-nazi type organizations. At least as far as I can tell.
I doubt many in the military would fire on US citizens except in the direst of circumstances.
No, Jeb, not a threat. It is a small example of the assets of the US military in dealing with insurgents. One takes on the might of the US military at their own peril. Ask Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden about that. Oh, never mind, they are no longer with us.
Do you have reason to be concerned somebody might send an A-10 after you? If not, it will be OK to take off the tinfoil hat.
Otteray Scribe:
“How the USAF deals with insurgents. A glimpse of the future for any who would take on the USAF, Navy or Marines.”
Is that a veiled threat?
In retrospect, what strikes me as particularly funny about brent’s ravings is that he seems to think the posters here are somehow in favor of corporatism, malfeasance in government, and the abuse of individual civil liberties. History – that thing which eludes our rabid redneck friend – proves that to be manifestly untrue. There is a long tradition here of maximizing both individual liberty and maintaining the stability in infrastructure our society needs to get on the ball providing to keep our country competitive in the international arena. In short, and as mespo pointed out, he’s too dumb to figure out the “new world order” is our enemy as well. That the majority of us here would prefer a peaceful transition back to government by the people from the people as opposed to his 2nd Amendment style of action is irrelevant other than it shows he and his brethren are of the “fools rush in” variety. All battles are won in the mind before a blade is every picked up. To win a war against tyranny required foremost and above all winning the hearts and minds of the oppressed. Not going to battle against a force you are ill-equipped to deal with on a physical basis no matter how much redneck swaggering bravado one wishes to display. Not only would he and his ilk be better served by doing more reading here than commenting (again mespo’s suggestion), they would have been better served by reading this blog before chiming in that they are the hostile revolutionaries. I’ve said all along that operations like the Tea Baggers and the Libertarians are a prod to get people to do something critically stupid and thus creating a rationale for martial law. So here we have brent, advocating violent resistance as a primary model of tactics and strategy. P.T. Barnum had a word for people like brent.
Sucker.
Violence is always the last resort. It destroys your troops and materials, it destroys the object you seek to protect. It begs for collateral damage in the form of deaths of innocents who want nothing more than to live their lives free of tyranny. “For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.” It was true when Sun Tzu said it, it’s true now.
But then again, “kill ’em all and let God sort ’em out” is the exact kind of unsophisticated thought about warfare one would expect from some who thinks with their crotch. And it’s crotch thinker’s like brent that will eventually give the Neocon Right the excuse they been looking for to declare martial law – a martial law that is a true recipe for a high body count bad ending for every party involved. mespo said, “Every sucessful social revolution is fought first as an intellectual battle and then, if necessary, as a physical one.”
He was correct without reservation.
“another liberal fringe member bites the dust, an ever growing trend
Anti-gun Nominee Defeated!
Goodwin Liu Nomination Fail in Senate”
Hey, dumbass. If you’re going to post bullshit, at least credit the bullshit artist so we can laugh at you and him/her.
“Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible.”
Another quote by a strategic and tactical genius.
This following quote isn’t from a strategic and tactical genius, but it seems appropriate to the Redneck . . .
“If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.”
Not so much for any success in baffling, but it speaks volumes more to brent’s methodology.
Keep talking rebel. Your buddies will appreciate the publicity I am sure. Now you not only need worry about the Feds, you might want to check your six to see if somebody from the militia side is looking for you. What other gems do you want to share about their plans? We wait with baited breath.
the british thought the same thing of our little revolution. remember? this nation is headed toward it, no doubt about it. the goverment no longer represents the people. one only has to look at history to see everytime that happens, revolution rears up its head. the sad part is if revolution ever happens here we will have no one but ourselves to blame, because we keep voting for folks who steered away from the constitution an have put into place many trade agreements an other laws that stripped away our soverignty, an we elect those with new world order ideas. but since most of u believe the civil war was about slavery, then u just dont understand why the folks of dixie saw this revolution coming. the funny thing is i would almost be willing to bet that if it does happen, it will start in the northeast.the folks in the northeast, washingtons best friend are definatly seeing things different nowdays with so many militias rising out of the ashes in places like bosten an new york. maybe ol ron will win an steer us back on the path my anscestors gave there blood for in 1776. i pray thats what happens anyway. we certianly dont need a civil war again that folks a hundred years from now will read was caused by some lie, like we see with the civil war. u can bet the parts of the evil goverment no longer representing the people an having new world order ideas will be mentioned, just like in 1865 when the wrote the lies to cover up the tyranny over the states they pursued.
no im celebrating the fact that he did not get to put his floating ever changeable constitution views on the 9th court, it doesnt matter to me how he got blocked, with a vote, or fillibuster. its really simple to me if a person thinks its ok to change an bend the constitution, then they dont believe in it! were u saying the same thing when the dems blocked bush appointees? by the way im a ron paul man, i despised bush. believe it or not, im a rare libertarin nationalist. but ol ron seems to represent most of my views even though he wears the repugnant republican brand. i believe nationalism is the only answer to americas problems. but alas nationalism doesnt fit it the corperatalism we see today,an is denouced by the new world order antiamerican types, that want to dominate an conquer the world for greed.
Mr. Waller,
Then you are celebrating hypocrisy. You are celebrating outright lies by those Senators. No wonder you think Slavery was a great institution that benefitted the kidnapped Africans.
scribe i never said i was in the militia, thats just more of your idiotic thinking, i was pointing out that america from sea to sea is fed up with the goverment, u must be blind an deaf not to see an hear. ur threatning comments are laughable,when u get ready to bring me a needle for pointing out factual info, u bring it. u keep being on the far left fringe, u might find ur self swimming to england. it does not suprise me in the least that the constitutional militias are growing so fast in the northeast an west coast. liberalism has decimated these areas. scribe i find u to be a coward sir who is frightened by the truth, u make false assumptions sir, i merely was pointing out facts sir, an like always u respond with threats. take ur threats an shove em up ur A@# rafflw i will celebrate another berkley liberal antiamerican zealot being turned down, yes sir i will
“There is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged warfare.”
“If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain to be in peril.”
“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”
“For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.”
“What is of supreme importance in war is to attack the enemy’s strategy.”
“The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand.”
“Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.”
“In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemy’s country whole and intact; to shatter and destroy it is not so good.”
“Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent’s fate.”
“Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can?”
Mr. Waller,
You make one large mistake in your comment on the Liu nomination. He was not voted down. He never got an up or down vote. He was filibustered by Teapublicans who swore during the Bush regime that every judicial nomination deserved an up or down vote. So you are celebrating Hypocrisy at it’s finest. Enjoy your love affair of Hypocrisy.
How the USAF deals with insurgents. A glimpse of the future for any who would take on the USAF, Navy or Marines.