The Postal Service is under fire in Portland, Oregon after it decided to retain a postman who was captured on film peeing and defecating on a home on his route and simply reassigning the postman to another route.
PA neighbor, Don Derfler, caught the act on film and the postal worker was identified. However, urinating on homes does not appear to be a basis for termination in the postal service. It is a pretty lenient response given the spate of draconian actions where the postal service cut off service to whole neighborhoods as forms of collective punishment for dog attacks.
What is interesting is that public urination is a crime. Yet, both a criminal charge and a termination appear to be dead letters.
The neighbors on the new route may prefer snow or heat or gloom of night.
Derfler had been waiting for his babysitter when he saw his mailman acting odd at his neighbor’s house across the street. The postal worker then pulled down his pants and that’s when Derfler began snapping pictures.
“We trust people like the postal service and meter readers and people of that nature,” Derfler told us when we interviewed him in April. “To come on to our property and to defecate – it’s just wrong.”
The incident was an embarrassment to the post office and the worker was immediately placed on unpaid leave. Now, a decision has been made to keep the worker but he will be transferred to a different route.
A spokesperson said the administrative action was taken based on a postal service investigation but he did not elaborate. He also did not say which route the mail carrier has been assigned to cover.
Source: KomoNews
czech80,
“The USPS’s first incarnation was established by Benjamin Franklin in Philadelphia in 1775, by decree of the Second Continental Congress. The Post Office Department was created from Franklin’s operation in 1792, as part of the United States Cabinet, then was transformed into its current form in 1971, under the Postal Reorganization Act … “independent establishment of the executive branch”, responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.”
Oh well …
As to reinforcing your main point ” … that hypocritical and emotional ad hominem attacks are the marks of a true progressive.” … rather sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
I raised a hyperbolic tongue in cheek question and immediately you two resorted to using mental health problems as an attack mechanism.
I also see no-one was able to address my other points (e.g. paying for a service that can be terminated at any point and then having their employees damage your property without redress).
Furthermore, would you teach your children it’s okay to mock someone for having a mental health problem?
But then again I clearly go around to public bathrooms and assault people in stalls so I guess you guys are right to suggest insanity, irrationality, and craziness.
Ironically, I guarantee if the postal worker was a paranoid schizophrenic, you guys would offer far more leniency.
But thanks for reinforcing my main point that hypocritical and emotional ad hominem attacks are the marks of a true progressive.
And many of us have the utmost respect for someone who twists someone who would want to “beat the hell” out of somebody for defecating in their yard as a sign of mental illness as condoning someone defecating in your yard and using the “Think of the children!” defense as a mitigation. Culheath made no such endorsement of free-form yard defecation. Got some more bad news for you, czech80, but children defecate too so they already know what it entails. It’s a natural bodily function. However, giving children the idea that it’s okay to “beat the hell” out of a person for defecating is, oh I don’t know, perhaps crazy. The only sane time to “beat the hell” out of someone is in the instance of self-defense from an intractable opponent or in the defense of others from an intractable opponent. As in beating the hell out of someone who is trying to do the same to you or to others. So unless this guy was trying to take a dump on your head, you’d have no rational reason to strike them. Which means you’d be acting irrationally. Now what was that about mental health problems again?
culhealth,
Ahh, name calling via the internet. The true mark of an intellectual powerhouse and brave man.
I also have the utmost of respect for people who would allow someone to take their pants off and crap on their property when their children might be around.
“…if I beat the hell out of someone defecating on my property would you say I should only get a minimal penalty b/c I have mental health problems?”
Nope…I’d just say you had mental problems.
I love progressives.
I have to pay to support a worthless operation (USPS) that will stop delivering to my entire neighborhood due to a dog at one person’s house (which some of you support).
Furthermore, I many times I have gone to the post office to get stamps and figured I’d get some regular envelopes too. Oh, they don’t sell those there. Brilliant.
So I pay for something that provides terrible service, can cut off at any point without retribution, and can then take a sh$t on my property.
Since you all love calling anyone who doesn’t agree with you crazy, if I beat the hell out of someone defecating on my property would you say I should only get a minimal penalty b/c I have mental health problems?
MA:
I needed that one to start my day:=)
The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the feces of patriots and postal workers.
Metro,
Believe this or not but some major city’s are using this to control the Homeless population….and some make you register on the Sex Offenders list for urinating in public…..yeah….you are right…I am guilty….
Hell maybe the man was sick…Shit happens…as for as the peeing if they arrested every man in this country who has peed on a tree,fence,side of a building ect. the jails would be overrun.
As Pete pointed out, urination wasn’t the only “issue”… — he defecated, as well… Maybe there’s a medical problem that needs to be ruled out…
I agree with Kay. It looks like he is in the bushes. Did he get the siding wet or the foundation wet?
He probably had to go really badly, he also could have had some health issues like enlarged prostate. If it wasn’t out of malice what is the big deal, the next rain will wash it away.
People are way too serious about stuff like this and obviously have little compassion for those who toil to improve their lives.
If the guy did it out of maliciousness then fire him, but it seems improbable. He could just not deliver something and no one would be the wiser.
Is that what this means?
“I know that in Jamaica they say:
Don’t piss on my back and tell me that it’s raining.”
I wouldn’t assume the guy meant any malice or disrespect at all. The guy probably really really needed to urinate. An older guy, he might have prostate issues. Many neighborhoods have very few public bathrooms. His situation isn’t that much different than workers who wear adult diapers to keep up with schedules. Postal workers are under a lot of production demands. You see police officers stop for coffee etc. but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a postal delivery truck stopped anywhere except delivering mail.
I disagree with your characterization of refusing to deliver mail to an entire block as “group punishment”. Letter carriers were bitten twice by a dog loose in the neighborhood and that dog was still there. They were protecting their employees.
This is harder to understand. I would suspect there would be criminal charges at least. I’m not sure what civil action would be worth bringing. Obviously the guy needs some penalty, not knowing his work history I can’t say a job death penalty is right. Unpaid leave certainly seems reasonable but I am not sure how long. Maybe transfer to a position that is indoors.
i don’t know if i should point this out but, and i do mean butt, he didn’t just piss in someones bushes. guess he put some of those sale papers to good use.
For some sick reason, this story makes alot of sense. The Postal Worker goes penile postal on some guys house! Strange night. Time to sleep.
“Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds”.
Pssst! USPS. I know that’s not your official motto, but golden showers don’t count as rain. That’s a bad habit you’ve picked up from Congress.
I’m guessing he was re-assigned to a neighborhood where there is a urine on paint deficiency. Thankfully, it didn’t say he was re-assigned to putting mail in P.O. Boxes.
Now….that takes balls….