Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah is the spiritual mentor to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and he is not exactly a kid person. After telling the faithful that suicide bombings are required for Muslims in fighting Israel, he declined to make an exception for children.
The cleric was asked if there is a difference between “martyr’s death” and “suicide.” Mesbah challenged the man and said that even asking the question shows that he had fallen victim to “propaganda of the enemies of Islam.” He then made it clear that Allah wants people to blow themselves up: “When protecting Islam, the Muslim people depend on martyrdom operations. It not only is allowed, but even is an obligation.”
When the questioner then asked “about the Israeli children killed in such attacks?”, Mesbah declined to make an exception for children. Instead he said killing such children is entirely permissible when “they are used as human shield and fighting the aggressors depends on attacking those civilians.” Nice.
Something tells me that a school located between Mesbah and Jerusalem would be viewed as a case of a human shield to be eliminated by his faithfully murderous followers.
Source: YNET News
The Israeli Terrorist Force, the ITF, has continuously and repeatedly used Palestinian children and adults as “human shields” to protect themselves when terrorizing Palestinian neighborhoods. The intent is to have the children killed by Hamas and then blame Hamas despite the fact that the ITF put the children in harm’s way.
http://www.btselem.org/english/human_shields/20060720_human_shields_in_beit_hanun.asp
http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-troops-used-11-year-old-boy-as-human-shield-in-gaza-1.272716
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAU8N-TQEdA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acaU4D6dUqU
As for Israelis, their children should definitely not be targets. However, since all Israeli adults are by law members of the Israeli Terrorist Force and its reserves, there are no “civilian adults” in Israel. By Israel’s own law, they’re all military targets for Hamas. Compare that with the ITF’s policy of arresting (read: kidnapping) the relatives of members of Hamas and imprisoning them without charge as “leverage”. Who are really the criminals?
No doubt at least one idiot will claim I’m advocating the murder of adult Israelis in a pathetic attempt to avoid the issue.
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Funny but sadly true, Mike A.
Those who promote suicide bombings have at least one thing in common with most U.S. war-mongering politicians. They have a strong aversion to leading by example.
@Carlyle Moulton says, “James why do you think that Muslims are not as likely to want revenge on America as you were on them and just as entitled to seek it?”
First, I do not think this at all.
Second, I have never in my entire life had any use for notions such as “revenge” and “enemies”. I have none of the latter, so I have no need of the former, even when my sick, corrupt government tells me I must have enemies. I have none.
And when you call for more of the insane destruction that occurred on 9/11 as “just retribution,” you are no better than those you claim to decry. The law does not exist for you to get off on your sick revenge fantasies.
Finally, you say, “We are all entitled to our own beliefs about what other people whom we dislike intensely deserve.” I think your day begins badly the moment you entitle yourself to ANYTHING on this earth, much less adolescent gun-down fantasies to take care of “those pesky muslims.”
I find the whole of your argument pedantic.
OS,
There has to be Karma…
All.
Glen Greenwald today has an excellent article that is relevant to this topic.
James.
“In the meantime, arrest and try this evil man who has committed war crimes, announcing on national television he gave the order to torture, and now sips Budweisers on his veranda in Dallas. And then go after this mullah.”
I agree, Bush the lesser deserves to hang by the neck until dead as also do “Tony Blair”, “John Winston Howard” (former Australian Prime Minister and member of the coalition of the willing), and Barak Obama, but we all know that that is not going to happen, so the aggrieved parties will have to get revenge themselves and unfortunately not on these big fish but on lots of smaller ones who bear much less personal guilt.
Humans persist in behaving like other humans, you Americans and we Australians fail to perceive how hypocritical we are in insisting on our rights to take revenge without extending the same rights to our enemies.
James in LA.
We are all entitled to our own beliefs about what other people whom we dislike intensely deserve.
That I am an atheist saddens me because it means that I cannot look forward to the vast numbers of God Bothering moralizing humbugs who term themselves Christians being barbequed for all eternity in a lake of fire.
Revenge is the highest of human values and some cultures such as those of the US and Iran for example take it more seriously than others. To get revenge for the less than 3000 killed in the kamikaze air linerings, the US invaded Iraq and killed between 100,000 (low estimate) and 1.3million (estimate of the Lancet medical journal) Iraquis and displaced 4 million from their homes. James why do you think that Muslims are not as likely to want revenge on America as you were on them and just as entitled to seek it?
@Carlyle Moulton says, “I have now come around to the belief that the US very much deserved the September 11 attacks.”
Those who place themselves in charge of what is deserved and what is not unmask their own imperial intent. Who is Carlyle Moulton to decide for Americans that justice is best delivered via jet liner? This unspeakable plea drowns out the rest of your likewise unspeakable rant. Your mentality was not functional even when it was last in fashion: during 3rd grade recess.
All that is required to sort out matters of war crimes is the seating of civilian grand juries today.
Look how old this wretch is! Now, no offense to the resident octogenarians, but this dude is not long for this Earth. And when he goes, there will be no one to replace him, no one of his particular stature, because they will have been raised in a different age, one which changes in the blink of an eye.
Falwell went, no one to replace him. When Pat Robertson goes, that will be that. Billy Graham’s son isn’t fit to carry sewage to the river, much less his father’s water. The Cyrystal Cathedral is for sale. The touchy-feely priesthood will bankrupt that which was thought to be already so. Those who come after were raised in another Age, one which isn’t really here any more when you stop an look at it.
Here, the veil is pulled back in a most delightful, if exhaustive fashion: http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-law-of-accelerating-returns
IMHO, to take full advantage of the future means doing away with that which is quaint today. Practicing it, at the very least. Such as the notion of “property ownership” or “intellectual property.” No one owns electrons, and the courts cannot possibly keep up.
In the meantime, arrest and try this evil man who has committed war crimes, announcing on national television he gave the order to torture, and now sips Budweisers on his veranda in Dallas. And then go after this mullah.
This Mullah is no worse than those Israeli Rabbis who have statedth that killing Palestinian children is justified because otherwise they will grow up to hate Israel.
Look war is war and in war , being shocked and horrified just because some killed are not in uniform or because they are children is both stupid and hypocritical.
If one attacks a people as the Zio-Nazis and their US backers have attacked the Palestinians, do not be surprised if the victims and their sympathizers fly airliners into your tall buildings.
I have now come around to the belief that the US very much deserved the September 11 attacks. Were the occupants of the twin towers as deserving of revenge as the politicians who actually make the decisions? Well no, but those fools in the US who believe that their country is a democracy deserve some blowback for voting in governments such as those of unindicted, unprosecuted and unconvicted war criminals Regan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush the lesser and Obama. For that matter we Australians also are deserving of terrorist attacks because we have elected the John Winston Howard and Kenneth Rudd/Julia Gillard governments that are assisting the US in its criminal activities in Iraqistan.
Mesbah also thinks it is just fine to torture prisoners and rape both males and females, provided they do not “enjoy” the rape.
A real piece of work, is this guy. Here is the article that describes his views on torture and rape:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133214
perhaps mesbah should show them how it’s done. if you want something done right you gotta do it yourself.
killing such children is entirely permissible when “they are used as human shield and fighting the aggressors depends on attacking those civilians.” Nice.
Sounds pretty similar to US policy. Israeli policy too. (How many children have US forces killed in AfPak over the course of the last year? I rest my case.)
Regarding “teeny, tiny dicks”…
Thanks for that, Blouise… and thanks to you as well, Dredd, for your response…
Blouise,
“In my opinion, and with no actual facts to support that opinion, all men who encourage suicide bombers and suicide bombers, themselves, have teeny, tiny dicks. All women who support suicide bombers or aspire to be suicide bombers do so because they live with men who have teeny, tiny dicks.
Prove me wrong …”
It would probably be easier to prove you to be correct.
I am actually stunned that nobody has gotten on here yet to tell us how this is exactly the way Muslims are & what else can you expect from them.
The Israelis are smart in that they never announce they are going to kill hundreds of Palestinian children. They just move in, take over the area, dislocate families into ever decreasing areas & then blockade them in so they can starve or die of preventable diseases because there is no medicine. Of course they say they would stop killing the children this way if only the Palestinians would give into all their demands, which include complete control over Jerusalem (and if you believe the furthest out wingnuts all the land up to Iran) and just go someplace else to live. How that Exodus is supposed to happen is left up to the imagination.
A pox on both their houses.
In my opinion, and with no actual facts to support that opinion, all men who encourage suicide bombers and suicide bombers, themselves, have teeny, tiny dicks. All women who support suicide bombers or aspire to be suicide bombers do so because they live with men who have teeny, tiny dicks.
Prove me wrong …
The God is On Our Side meme rides again.
That is the way it is when war no longer considered to be a disease.
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I hope there is Karma. I really do. This man goes directly to evil so fast that ‘bad’ was nothing but a blur when he went past it.